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Captain Mainwaring

Beautiful slam-dunk in Question Time by Paula Bennett on the objectionable Grant Robertson.
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June 14, 2016 3:04pm
Shawn Herles

Man Shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ Stabs Paris Policeman, Wife to Death

“A senior French police officer and his female companion were killed following an attack by a knife-wielding man in a distant suburb of Paris, officials said Monday. The attacker was also killed in the ensuing confrontation with police, while a three-year-old boy was rescued from the scene.

The police commander was stabbed to death outside his home in Magnanville, about 35 miles (55 kilometers) west of Paris, interior minister spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet told reporters at the scene. The attacker then retreated indoors before elite police commandos stormed the residence. The woman and the attacker were found dead; a little boy was found safe and sound.”

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/13/man-shouting-allahu-akbar-stabs-policeman-paris/

Less than 24 hours after the Orlando shootings, another Muslim immigrant goes on a killing rampage in France.

Liberal Media: “But, but, it’s supposed to about US gun rights! No wait, it’s suposed to be about American culture! What, where’s Paris? Oh. It’s about Israel! What? Paris is not in Irsael? Oh. Oh it’s about…….ummmmmmm…..What? Both killers were Muslims? No, that can’t be right. Really? Oh well, we can’t say that out loud. Let’s talk about Trump instead!.”
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June 14, 2016 3:09pm
Shawn Herles

Orlando Nightclub Jihadi and Wife Scouted Walt Disney World as Potential Target

“How many other devout Muslims are scouting locations as we speak? One thing is for sure: the Obama administration and the “confused” FBI haven’t a clue.”

http://pamelageller.com/2016/06/orlando-nightclub-jihadi-and-wife-scouted-walt-disney-world-as-potential-target-source.html/
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June 14, 2016 3:17pm
itstricky

Heh, I like that, but I’ll stick with my description of him as Kiwblog’s dumbest commentator.

That may or may not be the case Tom but with this along with your numerous “gloating” posts today like 10:18 today ranks up there amongst one of KB’s nastiest commentators without straight out swearing at or abusing people. You’ve stopped just short of The Don’s “nah nah I told you so” with that 10:18. It’s sad, Tom, sad.
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June 14, 2016 3:19pm
itstricky

Annnnd talking about gloating:

Liberal Media: “But, but, it’s supposed to about US gun rights! No wait, it’s suposed to be about American culture! What, where’s Paris? Oh. It’s about Israel! What? Paris is not in Irsael? Oh. Oh it’s about…….ummmmmmm…..What? Both killers were Muslims? No, that can’t be right. Really? Oh well, we can’t say that out loud. Let’s talk about Trump instead!.”
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June 14, 2016 3:21pm
Shawn Herles

“talking about gloating”

Gloating? No. Outrage? Yes.

I’m sorry itstricky if what is actually hapenning in reality does not fit your Lefty narrative, but reporting on what is actually hapenning in reality is not gloating, it’s reporting.

You’ll have to find another way to try to cover up the truth and keep the Lefty spin machine rolling along. Though it’s starting to look seriously unroadworthy.
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June 14, 2016 3:35pm
mikenmild

itstricky
But tom was soooo proud of that comment that he put it on multiple threads.
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June 14, 2016 3:37pm
wikiriwhis business

And this is the real secret to how J Key wins elections

Lawsuit Finds Millions Of Uncounted Bernie Sanders Ballots

In view of the information from polling place workers about Sanders winning by more than a 2 to 1 margin and in view of the removal of 2/3 or more of his votes from the official results, Your News Wire declares Bernie Sanders the landslide winner of the 2016 California Primary Election.

An historic lawsuit has been filed after the widespread cover-up of Sanders’ landslide victory at the primary election earlier this week.

The lawsuit will require the counting of all the provisional ballots, millions of which have been left uncounted, which Sanders says gives him a huge win in the state.

Make no mistake, Bernie Sanders supporters lost their ballots, their democratic rights, by the millions on Tuesday. Now proof is starting to emerge.

The California primary wasn’t an election, it was a coup featuring shady and downright illegal tactics usually associated with dictatorships in undemocratic states – media collusion, voter suppression, fraud, and a system fundamentally rigged in favor of the establishment choice.
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Another red flag for undemocratic practice was the odd treatment of the press. While Correct the Record and reporters/hackers from other organizations and media groups promoting Clinton were treated like royalty, members of the press who had gone on record supporting Sanders were often treated with contempt by certain members of the team running logistics at the rallies.

Correct the Record (the PAC paying a million dollars to hackers who put child pornography on Sanders facebook pages and then got them closed down) was given the best filming location in San Pedro after that same prime filming location had been denied to news teams favorable to Sanders.

On election night, several reporters favorable to Sanders commented on how rudely they were being treated. Reginald Hubbard and Jesse Cornett who reportedly threatened some of the mild-mannered, more loyal press with loss of equipment, removal or confiscation of their press credentials (which they had brought with them) and removal of the actual reporters from the event in response to polite questions about the sound arrangements.

Most of the pro-Sanders reporters were placed on a riser near distorted speakers and denied access to the event’s sound boxes they had been promised and which were provided for other media.

One reporter, a very sweet woman, who had been traveling on a bus following the candidate, seemed to disappear from the event after she reported that she had been rudely treated by these same staff people prior to the speech.

The fix was in before the primary. An instructional video for poll workers told them to give provisional ballots to NPP voters, official conduct that would have been illegal in California. AP joined in the effort to try to fix the election by calling the nomination for Clinton the night before the election when AP knew or should have known that Clinton did not have enough pledged delegates and would not have enough on June 7th to be the nominee. This appears to have been part of the overall attempt to suppress the vote. As Sanders has repeatedly pointed out:

“If there is a large turnout we will win. If there is a very large turnout we will win huge. If there is a low turnout, we will lose.”

In spite of AP’s false call, the actual turnout was very large and, but for the suppression, the evidence supports the theory that Sanders would have won by a very wide margin.

http://yournewswire.com/lawsuit-finds-millions-of-uncounted-bernie-sanders-ballots/
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June 14, 2016 3:44pm
Komata

WB

Re: ‘And this is the real secret to how J Key wins elections’

Umm, sorry, can’t see the connection (no mention of NZ AFAIK) especially as NZ’s Electoral Commission is extremely thorough, professional and (most of all) impartial / neutral. It’s the way things are done in this country. Everything (but EVERYTHING) is accounted for and if there is a discrepancy then it is carefully and thoroughly checked (repeatedly) so that there is absolutely NO chance of any doubt. Ton suggest otherwise is to cast doubt on their professionalism IMHO.. Therefore, can you explain your reasons for your statement please?

Thanks.
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June 14, 2016 3:52pm
wikiriwhis business

“Beautiful slam-dunk in Question Time by Paula Bennett on the objectionable Grant Robertson.”

I can’t believe a large amount of sheeple are going to sit and listen to lies spew out of the mouth of this puppet in Auckland.

she’s so worried about being in a public place she has police protection .

The reason Key does this is because Hitler did to protect him from the public.

Bennet et al don’t deserve the attention.
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June 14, 2016 3:55pm
tom hunter

itstricky (3,714 comments) says:
June 14th, 2016 at 3:19 pm
…but with this along with your numerous “gloating” posts today like 10:18 today ranks up there amongst one of KB’s nastiest commentators without straight out swearing at or abusing people. You’ve stopped just short of The Don’s “nah nah I told you so” with that 10:18. It’s sad, Tom, sad.
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mikenmild (22,437 comments) says:
June 14th, 2016 at 3:37 pm
itstricky
But tom was soooo proud of that comment that he put it on multiple threads.

From the “Scalia’s Dead” thread….

mikenmild (22,437 comments) says:
February 18th, 2016 at 9:36 am

People can say some quite nasty things. It’s very sad.
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June 14, 2016 3:59pm
wikiriwhis business

“Congratulations, Griff.
You’ve earned your Google license.
Pray tell how that is relevant in the American context?”

Good q.

FB took down a video of an Abnorigine women welcoming foreign sport teams to Australia.

The reason was because she was dressed culturally and topless. Didn’t fit FB TOS which means no culture

We must all be Americanised to FB protocols
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June 14, 2016 4:02pm
wikiriwhis business

The truth is until a leading politician sparks a call for treason laws to return we going to the bottom of the sea with only the govt and corporates wearing life savers.

The fact that even Winston doesn’t make the call for treason laws to return shows he is not as patriotic as he states
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June 14, 2016 4:07pm
itstricky

I’m sorry itstricky if what is actually hapenning in reality does not fit your Lefty narrative, but reporting on what is actually hapenning in reality is not gloating, it’s reporting.

You’re right on one front – shit has happened. I’m not sure what narrative you’re talking about though, seeing as I personally haven’t commented on either of these tragedies but I can tell you that joyfully writing satirical and cynical comments lambasting the media whilst people are getting killed is, in fact, gloating. It comes across almost as if you wish on another one so you can have another go.

The “left narrative” and the “spin machine” “trying to cover up” stuff is becoming a little unhinged too. I hope for your sake that the extra ‘n’s and missing ‘p’s in happening aren’t a sign of the train running off the tracks. Take a deep breath.
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June 14, 2016 4:08pm
itstricky

But tom was soooo proud of that comment that he put it on multiple threads.

I find it sad. Yes, it was strange that The Herald put up an article about The Don’s miscommunication maybe as second string, or third string to the article about the actual incident but then again, if you think about it… The President elect’s response to a tragedy is “nah nah I told you so; vote for me” – it is kind of newsworthy in terms of how shallow it is.
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June 14, 2016 4:15pm
wikiriwhis business

A big question I’m asking myself as Whale Oil faces a three pronged defamation case is how does he plan staying out of jail before retirement ??

He is the absolute picture of what the right represents and we will all see the Nat Party in the dock when we see Cam Slater in the dock.

Considering how he glorified the death of a West Coaster he could have been the right winger who checked his vehicle for a dent after hitting a youngster and driving off.
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June 14, 2016 4:18pm
waripori

I just hope when Its tricky 4.15 said President Elect he was not being prescient and meant to say presumptive nominee.

There are some sensible people on this forum, just not many today. Not many of us have lived through a time when a demagogue like Trump could have been put into a position of power but our parents did. We are short of institutional memory.

Anyway, see if you can open this. Talk about prescient.

https://youtu.be/LSEoVkl0W30
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June 14, 2016 4:29pm
Captain Mainwaring

Christ wikiriwank, you’re making even less sense than usual today.
Maybe Gobby will let you have some of his meds.
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June 14, 2016 4:29pm
itstricky

I just hope when Its tricky 4.15 said President Elect he was not being prescient and meant to say presumptive nominee.

Yes, I was just talking generally – as in ‘the guy who could end up with the job’
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June 14, 2016 4:32pm
mikenmild

Thanks for that, waripori. A little bit chilling to know that the scenario Obama painted played out in real life.
It’d be great if we had things like these town hall meetings here, and on TV.
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June 14, 2016 4:42pm
Inandout

So this wanker was spouting his ‘message’ just months before the Orlando killings, and now is in Sydney.

http://fusion.net/story/313063/orlando-terror-attack-muslim-lgbt/

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/13/orlando-terror-attacks-muslim-cleric-death-for-homosexual-acts-sydney
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June 14, 2016 4:42pm
nasska

….”The “left narrative” and the “spin machine” “trying to cover up” stuff is becoming a little unhinged too”….

Tom & others, including myself, will continue to slam the MSM so long as they keep covering up or downplaying acts of terrorism committed by rabid Muslims.

The Fourth Estate exists to inform……not spin its own agenda.
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June 14, 2016 5:45pm
waikatogirl

Another 46kg of meth discovered up North.

The cops found the GPS, loaded in the co-ordinates which led the police to isolated sand dunes near the boat discovered on 90 Mile Beach.
Dug down into the sand and bingo, another stash of meth.

Great movie to be made out of this. An abandoned boat, broken down vehicles a series of bumbling criminal slip ups including paying large sums to locals to help launch their boat off the beach, and an off-duty cop with a suspicious nose leads to the biggest meth bust in NZ history, and then wait, another stash discovered just as the icing on the cake.
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June 14, 2016 5:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

waikatogirl:
Bloody good job these under-resourced coppers weren’t wasting their time with a radar gun trying to ping folks doing 105.
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June 14, 2016 5:51pm
Manolo

Muslim love strikes again:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/14/man-who-reportedly-claimed-allegiance-to-isis-kills-french-police-chief-wife.html?intcmp=hpbt3

A senior police officer and his wife were murdered outside of Paris Monday night by a man who reportedly claim allegiance to ISIS.
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June 14, 2016 6:05pm
Longknives

Nothing to do with Islam Manolo- Surely just another ‘Lone Wolf’..
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June 14, 2016 6:06pm
Manolo

The new mayor of London, a dangerous imbecile and control-freak:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/londons-muslim-mayor-bans-sexy-women-in-advertisements/

Sadiq Khan, London’s first Muslim mayor, announced Monday that “body shaming” advertisements will no longer be allowed in London’s public transport system.
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June 14, 2016 6:09pm
Manolo

The European political elites must be feeling the heat:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/eu-referendum-brexit-campaign-takes-lead-with-just-over-a-week-to-go/ar-AAgZNpe?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout
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June 14, 2016 6:17pm
wikiriwhis business

All fraudulent right wing bureaucrats

Taxpayers forking out $683k per year for bureaucrats to watch SKY

Central and local government agencies are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayers’ money every year on subscription TV services.

The data for the last financial year shows some agencies such as KiwiRail and Auckland Council spending close to $50,000 each on TV subscriptions. The total for the agencies surveyed equals $682,525.

The numbers we’ve uncovered show that bureaucrats either don’t have enough work to do, or are wasting money on Sky TV for luxurious staff rooms. Either way this represents a significant waste of taxpayers’ money.

When our researchers were collecting the information, the Chief Executive of Otorohanga District Council wrote to us saying that he could not imagine local authorities spending money on a TV subscriptions. If only that were true. Our research shows that councils spent over $200,000 of ratepayers’ money on Sky TV alone.

Politicians in Wellington also seem to be to enjoy having the taxpayer pick up the tab for their Sky TV bills. Parliamentary and Ministerial Services spent over $56,000 last year to ensure MPs received the service, including Sky Sport. Why every Beehive office needs taxpayer funded sport channels is far from clear.

The New Zealand Transport Agency has set the example. It wasted $20,000 in the 2014/15 financial year on Sky TV but cancelled all its subscriptions last year. We say other departments should follow its lead.

While for some agencies SKY TV is justified — entertaining patients in hospitals for example — we have to question why back-room office workers like NZTA, KiwiRail and the Reserve Bank are spending so much of taxpayers’ money on TV shows.

http://www.taxpayers.org.nz/pay_per_view

All these bureaucrats are right winger National Party paid up members.

Except Len of course. But they hold his hand somewhere
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June 14, 2016 6:19pm
wikiriwhis business

“wikiriwank, you’re making even less sense than usual today.”

Making plenty of sense to those with sense and not blinded by right wing treason
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June 14, 2016 6:22pm
wikiriwhis business

What does Capt Manwaring do. No one knows who he is . never done anything noticeable

Completely anonymous and known for nothing as most right wingers hiding in their Epsom suburbs while real heroes come from Sth Auks and Porirua called All Blacks.

And we sposed to listen to this nobody
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June 14, 2016 6:25pm
Gabby

Christ, Kapitan Wankstaining, if you think Puller’s Nyanyanya was a slam dunk you must have been well into your sedative regime.
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June 14, 2016 6:48pm
Happychappy

What’s the difference with Winston and Labour MPs using Parliament in the last two or more years to leak Peoples names that were had name suppression,especially when they were evenually cleared by the courts.Now showing what hypocrites they are say Paula Bennett should resign from Cabinet as her press secretary leaks a police officers name that is under investigation that was running he marae that was housing the homeless.And what Twyford did in sluring the Chinnese with being the main problem in the housing market was no better,obviouly people have short memory’s of Annette and her husband releasing Health leaks
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June 14, 2016 6:50pm
itstricky

Tom & others, including myself, will continue to slam the MSM so long as they keep covering up or downplaying acts of terrorism committed by rabid Muslims.

I was talking about Shawn’s unhinged comments in particular. Regardless, I fail to see how anything in this case has been covered up or downplayed.
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June 14, 2016 6:54pm
wikiriwhis business

Minister apologises to marae chairman

Social Housing Minister Paula Bennett has apologised to Te Puea Marae chairman Hurimoana Dennis, who is also a senior police officer, after one of her staff leaked to a journalist that he was under police investigation.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/306371/minister-apologises-to-marae-chairman

This will be the Nats trying to dig up dirt to make their case against homelessness in their war against poverty.

Dirty, disgusting bullying tactics Paula had to move fast on in a precarious situation.
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June 14, 2016 6:57pm
Griff

Happychappy
Go ask Phil Ure for some punctuation .
http://www.whoar.co.nz/

ps
Just keep posting and make an effort to improve your comments readability…..
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June 14, 2016 7:02pm
rangitoto

Ramadan scorecard.

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3795/816/original.jpg
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June 14, 2016 7:04pm
wikiriwhis business

A police investigation – Part One

The “comms team” over at the New Zealand police has penned a typical “Dirty Politics” response to a recent New Zealand Herald article by Bryce Edwards. Complete with gratuitous ad homs, dodgy facts, and an emotional quote from a [I suspect] non-existent police officer to back-up Commissioner Mike Bush’s plaintive whine, the response falls back on statistics showing that public trust in the police – although falling – still remains high.

Edwards’ article takes the police to task for recent failings and mentions a few hoary chestnuts going back decades. There’s nothing particularly wrong with Edwards’ article except that it ignores how National Ltd™ Police Ministers have sat by and done nothing in response to the on-going police failings. Edwards prefers to lay blame with the police themselves. However, first with Judith Collins, then Anne Tolley, and now Michael Woodhouse, overall responsibility for the functioning of the police has been dodged. The culture of FAIL which has now infested the police from the top down has been, National Ltd™ would have us believe, is just a series of “operational issues” about which it can do nothing.

http://thestandard.org.nz/a-police-investigation-part-one/
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June 14, 2016 7:06pm
wikiriwhis business

The United Nations Human Rights Committee has criticised New Zealand’s record on Maori unemployment, imprisonment, the foreshore and seabed and the Trans Pacific Partnership.

The committee has just finished its sixth periodic report on a range of issues submitted by the government and by non-government organisations including iwi.

Among the positive moves since the last report it identified the law banning foreign charter fishing vessels, the 2014 Vulnerable Children Act, the adoption of a Maori action plan for disability support services and the Ka Hikitia Maori education strategy.

But it was concerned the Government continues to pass laws that are inconsistent with the 1990 Bill of Rights and with the UN Convention on Human Rights.

It says while New Zealand needs to address the high Maori and Pasifika unemployment, especially among women and young people.

It also needs to do something about the disproportionately high rate of Maori at all levels of the criminal justice system including prison.

Other concerns include whether the replacement for the Foreshore and Seabed Act, the Maori and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act of 2011 has helped any Maori secure rights to their customary land, and that there wasn’t enough engagement with Maori before the signing of the Trans Pacific Partnership.

http://www.waateanews.com/Waatea+News.html?story_id=MTMyNjU%3D&v=918
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June 14, 2016 7:08pm
Happychappy

So Wiki why wouldn’t she apologize for her Staff and that would be more than Labour and NZ First did to a Former Police Officer that they smeared under Parliamentary Privilege before he was cleared by the courts.This show what a hypocrite you are or is it you like to bully woman. ?
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June 14, 2016 7:15pm
nasska

…..” I fail to see how anything in this case has been covered up or downplayed.”…..

Watch how it all unfolds next time a Muslim murders a group of people in cold blood because they don’t deserve to exist according to his backward religious beliefs. First comes the crap designed to obscure the fact that he is an Islamist…..look for phrases such as “a French citizen” or “an American”.

Since everyone already instinctively knows that it will be an Allah botherer at work then the lying, pencil necked, commie vermin masquerading as journalists will gradually let little bits of info slip which gives the left wing politicians & propaganda merchants time to spin the story that the killer was insane or emotionally distraught at the time.

This crap is interspersed with hand wringing about nasty guns or any other red herrings that may be lying around & handy. Finding some wringing wet liberal to assure everyone that the killer was a “lone wolf” is a normal additional diversion.

Anything but anything than tell the truth & let people know the full facts so they can realise that Muslim immigration is the equivalent of suicide by Western nations.
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June 14, 2016 7:21pm
wikiriwhis business

Exclusive: Teina Pora to get record payout

Teina Pora will be paid over $2 million in compensation for his 21 years of wrongful imprisonment.

Newshub has learned Cabinet signed off the payment and will make the announcement tomorrow.

Mr Pora was wrongly convicted of the rape and murder of Susan Burdett.

The payment will be the highest ever, with Arthur Allan Thomas getting $1 million.

Read more: http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/exclusive-teina-pora-to-get-2m-pay-out-2016061417#ixzz4BXK7fksm
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June 14, 2016 7:27pm
wikiriwhis business

“This show what a hypocrite you are or is it you like to bully woman. ”

Pffffff

who are you, what have you done, why doesn’t anyone know about you

and make an effort to improve your comments readability
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June 14, 2016 7:29pm
Captain Mainwaring

wikiriwank:
What’s this ‘right wing’ crap you’re on about.
Our government is left of the US Democrats.
Get a life, you misguided individual.
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June 14, 2016 7:29pm
sam green

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1606/S00148/defamation-proceedings-against-graham-slater.htm

About time wouldn’t ya think?
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June 14, 2016 7:34pm
starboard

not much happening on GD today taxdodgers..same ole same groaners..gwiff tugging hard, wank business in overdrive..giblet dribbling..back to me Heineken and spring rolls.
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June 14, 2016 8:04pm
Reid

Orlando shooting eyewitness says there were two shooters plus a third guy holding the exit door closed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ35V0etHiM
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June 14, 2016 8:07pm
starboard

We are like sitting ducks in the west..maybe its time we start taking out a few of these mosquitoes…eye for an eye, or shall we sit around and sing kumbaya..
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June 14, 2016 8:11pm
nasska

Two things need to happen Starboard:

1) No Muslims….No Exceptions signs at all Western borders.

2) Get the bloody USA to stop meddling in Middle Eastern politics. They were incompetent, are incompetent & always will be incompetent in the field of foreign affairs. Let the Islamists carry on killing each other as is their tradition.
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June 14, 2016 8:17pm
itstricky

Watch how it all unfolds next time a Muslim murders a group of people in cold blood because they don’t deserve to exist according to his backward religious beliefs

‘Unfold’ being the operative word. What you are describing there is the unfolding of factual set of events from a bunch of rumor & speculation during a widely publicized and high pressure situation. Same thing happened with reporting of the CHC & WLG earthquakes.

I think you are confusing misinformation for a cover-up.
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June 14, 2016 8:18pm
starboard

itsdrippy…are you pissed ..or stoned?
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June 14, 2016 8:20pm
cha

eyewitness says there were two shooters

Nope, he said he could hear two guns at the same time…and the door, terrified people do strange things.
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June 14, 2016 8:23pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Brexit polling has in last few days turned to leave (financial times poll of polls):
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

Brexit looking pretty likely now.
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June 14, 2016 8:25pm
Reid

Clinton Foundation donar ended up on a State Dept Nuclear Security Advisory Board without any qualifications.

He owned one of the top companies in the High Frequency Trading world and his membership entitled him to a very high level security clearance which gave him access to geopolitical strategies which he could then exploit using his company.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-donor-sensitive-intelligence-board/story?id=39710624

Brexit looking pretty likely now.

It would if the vote was going to be honest UNC. But I bet they won’t let it be.
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June 14, 2016 8:41pm
Captain Mainwaring

Inflation adjusted, Pora’s payment is no better than Thomas’s.
But where are all the wailers about what’s happened to Bain’s?
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June 14, 2016 8:44pm
Griff

Don’t mention the jumper wearing one .
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June 14, 2016 8:56pm
nasska

….”what’s happened to Bain’s?”….

Shit! That’s the thread stuffed. 🙂
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June 14, 2016 9:05pm
nasska

Griff

Tohatsu 30hp 2 stroke OB. Know anything for or against them?
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June 14, 2016 9:09pm
cha

say it three times and then see how we get on, go on!
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June 14, 2016 9:43pm
Griff

The late model ones are also sold as mercury’s 2/ range here .
Nothing wrong with them .
Early Tohatsu outboards were somewhat crude .
Later ones probably as good as any other Japanese appliance.
I exploded the gearbox in my mercury / Tohatsu 15hp last weekend .
It was my own fault trying to get out in high surf stuck it into gear with the prop buried in the sand .
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June 14, 2016 10:20pm
Manolo

EAD could be right:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/14/brexit-news-uncertainty-around-eu-vote-causing-volatility-in-markets.html
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