General Debate 9 May 2016

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nasska

….” it takes a considerable amount of desperation for a rational person to believe that Trump would be a better president”….

Trump has one big thing going for him Mike. He’s not of the political elite & doesn’t come complete with the political baggage of the rest of the nohopers. Vote Cruz & you get Goldman Sachs’ bum boy…..vote Hilary & you get Goldman Sachs’ sock puppet.

There is no possible way that Trump can be any worse than the rest of the bought & paid for idiots….he could be better.
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May 9, 2016 8:05pm
EAD

The true intent of the European Union finally comes into focus – welcome to the New World Order:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3580199/We-create-EU-army-says-senior-MEP.html

And to think some of us here were labelled……da, da “conspiracy theorists” for stating that the refugee crisis was deliberately engineered to create a crisis that would give the controlled politicians cover to implement a full blown police state and an “EU army”.

Just don’t expect it to be used against those or for the purpose the elites are currently espousing – it will eventually be used to crush dissent against the multi-culti one nation called “Europe”.

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years……It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries” – David Rockefeller
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May 9, 2016 8:06pm
Nostradamus

Interesting.

I make the following observations regarding a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet published by the Electoral Commission:

1. United Future is in good company with Ban 1080 and Democrats for Social Credit – they rattled the cake tin but received no donations. Perhaps Peter Dunne needed to update his bow-tie collection last year and didn’t have any spare change?

2. The Internet Party did better – they rattled the cake tin and received $676.65 in donations. Who was the mean-spirited person who donated 65 cents – or X dollars and 65 cents?

3. ALCP did much better – they rattled the ~~cake tin~~ bongs and they were overflowing with $1,492.00 in donations.

4. The Conservative Party actually received $39,460 in donations, so DPF’s blog post was slightly incorrect. Deadrightkev: did you donate $160?

5. The MANA Movement failed to file a return. Surely this is an offfence?
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May 9, 2016 8:08pm
stigie

“Deadrightkev: did you donate $160?”

It could be Reddy’s Nostra, we all know he’s up for it..?
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May 9, 2016 8:14pm
blazeoflight

So I have now had my first Curia political polling experience.

Fuck, talk about loaded questions!

No wonder Key keeps him around like a favourite hooker (not of the rugby variety, that is).
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May 9, 2016 8:20pm
Nostradamus

Blazeoflight:

Fuck, talk about loaded questions!

Examples?

Just to set the scene as it were – from Curia’s website:

Curia is a member of the Research Association of New Zealand and subscribes to and follows the RANZ Code of Practice which is based on the International Code on Market and Social Research of the International Chamber of Commerce and European Society for Opinion and Marketing Research (ESOMAR).

So I’m looking forward to hearing more about these “loaded questions”.
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May 9, 2016 8:23pm
nasska

What political party would bother asking loaded questions via a survey they’re funding? National are polling to find out where the electorate stands on issues…..not to get a pat on the back 18 months out from the next elections.
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May 9, 2016 8:32pm
blazeoflight

Sadly, I didn’t record the call. I wish I had!

But, and this is more misleading than loaded, was this (from memory):

“Who do you trust most to keep interest rates low?”

So, this economics major knows how stupid that question is, if one has the slightest idea about economics.

As Bill English once pointed out, before he was silenced on this matter, low interest rates, with an inflation targeting central bank, are a sign of economic travails, not prosperity.

But all I could do was select a party…dumb, dumb, dumb…unless your intent is to please the person paying your bill.
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May 9, 2016 8:32pm
mikenmild

Sample Curia questions:

1. If John Key were a car, would he be:
a. An Audi
b. A BMW
c. A Mercedes
d. A Rolls-Royce

2. If Andrew Little were an animal, would he be:
a. A baboon
b. A pig
c. A sheep
d. A weasel
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May 9, 2016 8:33pm
blazeoflight

@nasska

DPF has benefited massively from this government’s popularity, and it is in his interests to feed the results of dubious polling questions to his masters for them to trumpet.

He is not misleading his masters, they are colluding in this deception!
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May 9, 2016 8:34pm
blazeoflight

Another one:

“Who do you trust most to stay tough on crime?”

Get the two points here that one can’t rebut in any way.

“Stay” tough on crime, implying National is, when in fact the police force is in dire straits because of lack of funding, AND I think the tough on crime meme is stoopid.

So I replied Greens on that one, as the most sane party on that issue.
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May 9, 2016 8:40pm
nasska

….”and it is in his interests to feed the results of dubious polling questions to his masters for them to trumpet.”….

Why would his “masters” be interested in receiving dubious answers? If they want to trumpet something they don’t need a poll to quote.

Think it through…..no savvy political organisation is going to spend money on surveys that no one would believe if they published them. The value in the polls DPF undertakes is knowing where the electorate are on various issues.
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May 9, 2016 8:42pm
Nostradamus

Mikenmild:

2. If Andrew Little were an animal, would he be:
…
d. A weasel

Well, thanks to Michael Bassett, the “ferret-faced fruitcake” option was already taken.
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May 9, 2016 8:42pm
wiseowl

S & S
So sad that these tossers have a go at Hosking.
Kamo upset ? Who the hell does she think she is?
I object to her speaking the special language everytime she is on the Sunday programme.
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May 9, 2016 8:45pm
mikenmild

Well, stop watching the Sunday programme if it upsets you so much. Or whinge to anyone who cares…
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May 9, 2016 8:48pm
blazeoflight

@nasska

You are mistaken.

The value is in trumpeting the results of these dubious polls to the public.

I am sure they undertake straight polling, as well.

My point is that the strategy of Nats/Curia alliance is to poll to be able to present middle New Zealand with narrowly manufactured opinion – I could probably phrase it better, but GOT is underway!

By the way, did we take note that Cameron’s government knighted Lynton Crosby for services to ~~the Conservative Party~~ the government?

Nasty stuff from a nasty government!
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May 9, 2016 8:50pm
Stars And Stripes

mikenmild (21,530 comments) says:

May 9th, 2016 at 8:33 pm

Not your biggest fan but even I found that amusing.
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May 9, 2016 8:51pm
Stars And Stripes

blazeoflight (1,089 comments) says:

May 9th, 2016 at 8:40 pm

“So I replied Greens on that one, as the most sane party on that issue”.

Yes I agree Blaze,letting all the criminals out of jail and having Kumbaya sessions while smoking the peace pipe instead will do wonders for NZ on the justice front.
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May 9, 2016 8:54pm
nasska

….”The value is in trumpeting the results of these dubious polls to the public.”….

But they’re not trumpeted to the public. Feel free to cite an instance.

….”My point is that the strategy of Nats/Curia alliance is to poll to be able to present middle New Zealand with narrowly manufactured opinion “….

Agreed & it’s a legitimate political tool knowing what prospective voters are thinking….Helen Clark was a master of the art too.
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May 9, 2016 8:55pm
Nostradamus

Blazeoflight:

By the way, did we take note that Cameron’s government knighted Lynton Crosby for services to the Conservative Party the government?

Yes – and, as a sidenote, I commented here, back in January, that Lynton Crosby was named Australian of the Year in the UK.

And the ABC on the knighthood:

Mr Nelson [Fraser Nelson – the editor of Spectator magazine] said that he did not think Mr Crosby would care much about receiving a knighthood.

“To be honest I think Lynton Crosby’s hourly rate is so high now that a knighthood wouldn’t make much difference to it,” he said.

“I’d be amazed if he goes about calling himself Sir Lynton.”

To mangle a famous David Lange quote, I can smell the envy on his breath from 18,324km away!

By the way, Blazeoflight, that ABC story was dated 31 December 2015. So you’re way out of date!
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May 9, 2016 8:59pm
Gabby

They’re crying ‘cos you waggled your short baton at them, rrf rrf.
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May 9, 2016 9:01pm
Nostradamus

Gabby:

your short baton

You should know better than to pull down your pants in public. This isn’t show-and-tell you know!
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May 9, 2016 9:04pm
dad4justice

Hi Gabby are you H2?
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May 9, 2016 9:06pm
Nostradamus

Dad:

Gabby is too interested in male appendages to be H2!
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May 9, 2016 9:13pm
Nostradamus

Exhibit A

Gabby (875 comments) says:
February 29th, 2016 at 8:48 am

Don’t make Cock angry. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.
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May 9, 2016 9:19pm
Brigitte

In my 7:25pm NZ music month song, I posed a question. The answer, if you’re interested is:

Blam Blam Blam also had a song called “There is no depression in NZ”
It was the anthem for the McGillicuddy Party
Metiria Turei was a member of that party
She joined the Greens and become an MP
She sung the song ~in Te Reo~ in her maiden speech to Parliament in 2002

This goes quite some way to explaining why I find it difficult to take the Greens seriously (apart from their economic policies, which also are hard to take seriously).
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May 9, 2016 9:23pm
dad4justice

Yes I agree Nostra my learned friend Gabby is more likely to be called Tim who had a fling with Ramon. Ouch sorry Rainbow Lob-our freaks!
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May 9, 2016 9:24pm
nasska

Sounds like he’s had experience in dealing with ‘angry’ cock Nostra.

At least with gay marriage & all he doesn’t have to be ashamed about it. 🙂
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May 9, 2016 9:25pm
cha

The Donald’s constituency.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dS90UbWqEOs
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May 9, 2016 9:27pm
dad4justice

nasska those angry Rainbow Labour cocks infested a male suicide conference one year Batman was appalled. Thanks Tim for the chapter in the book you despicable pommy c##tface mongrel dog breathe!
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May 9, 2016 9:31pm
Nostradamus

Dad:

Do you have enough research material to write a full chapter on David Benson-Pope and his Southern ~~Kinx~~ Hijinks?
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May 9, 2016 9:40pm
dad4justice

A male suicide conference hijacked by militant Rainbow Labour freaks under Klarkulas rule and John Key endorses this thing to be head of the UN. New Zealand is a disgrace! Proud to be a kiwi YEAH RIGHT !

Who is worse Key or Klark?

Edit : Not to mention the antics of Peter! What a sick country!
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May 9, 2016 9:41pm
Nostradamus

Random tongue-twister:

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked.

I’ll let Dad explain!
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May 9, 2016 9:53pm
dad4justice

Nostra my learned friend I without prejudice state that every low life that infests the Beehive is not worthy of existent on the planet > Name me an honest politician and I will walk NZ naked. This country is one long lie. Klark and Key are just grab all glory scum of the earth. I am glad they both know the debauchery of Peter. Pity they couldn’t come clean with the moronic NZ public.
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May 9, 2016 10:00pm
blazeoflight

@Nostra

You are misunderstanding my posts on this issue.

I speak in praise of Curia’s polling, including loaded questions, false dilemmas, excluded middle etc etc.

It’s very, very clever, by both the Nats and Farrar.

The thing is, and I would love to expand on this when I have time, Key speaks the same doublespeak as Farrar’s polling questions. He sets up a false dilemma nearly every time, and Farrar tries them out on us first.

Take TPP.

Key (and DPF) say its about free trade, but it’s not. The relatively inconsequential trade aspects are not about free trade, they are about preferential trade, which is the same as discriminatory – not free – trade.

Taken altogether, it’s a class act, and now I understand how it works that much better.

It even sucked me into answering ‘National’ on one question.

Stoopid me!
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May 9, 2016 10:06pm
Captain Mainwaring

“Stoopid me!”
blazeofshite, that’s the most accurate thing you’ve said all night.
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May 9, 2016 10:23pm
cha

Toeing the party line despite his convictions.

Do politicians like Bobby Jindal ever wonder why we think they are craven phonies?

Last year, Bobby Jindal said Donald Trump was a danger to world peace. Today, he’s voting for him, “warts and all.”

https://storify.com/RTMannJr/do-politicians-like-bobby-jindal-ever-wonder-why-w
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May 9, 2016 10:25pm
blazeoflight

And Cap’n

Far more intelligent than anything you ever say!
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May 9, 2016 10:53pm
starboard

“It even sucked me into answering ‘National’ on one question.”

shit ..and we all know how cleaver you are blaze! *snigger snort *
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May 10, 2016 1:02am
Jim

blaze> “I speak in praise of Curia’s polling, including loaded questions, false dilemmas, excluded middle etc etc.”

I hate those loaded questions. The polls I usually see have questions like:

“What is the biggest threat to NZ today?”

a) The National Government
b) Property buyers with Chinese-sounding names
c) Foreign Trusts
d) John Key
e) None of the above because I eat babies and pick my teeth with their bones
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May 10, 2016 1:26am
Manolo

Brazil is now a banana republic:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/chaos-in-brazil-as-dilma-rousseff-impeachment-vote-anulled/
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May 10, 2016 6:09am
Manolo

The nutter Corbyn continues to falter:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/jeremy-corbyn-admits-he-is-not-doing-enough-to-win-2020-election/

Jeremy Corbyn has admitted he is not doing enough to win the election in 2020 as he criticised Labour MPs for “parading on the media” to attack each other.
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