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Hugh Pavletich

Geelong homes less affordable than Tokyo survey finds … Geelong Advertiser

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/realestate/geelong-homes-less-affordable-to-local-buyers-than-in-tokyo-survey-finds/news-story/7dffce42ae77f858f8f27c8a1cb8fd5a

HOMES in Geelong are now less affordable than those in New York, Tokyo and Dublin, according to an international survey of housing affordability.

Geelong’s property market was classified “severely unaffordable” in the Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey, which ranks 367 markets across nine countries by a ratio of median house price to median income.

The report found Geelong’s median house price of $420,000 was 7.1 times higher than local buyers’ median annual income of $59,400, putting Geelong statically on par with London, and pricier than New York at 5.9 times the median income. The report classified affordable housing as three times a buyer’s average income. … read more via hyperlink above …

HOUSING CHEAPER IN NEW YORK THAN REGIONAL AUSTRALIA … EMMA REYNOLDS … NEWS COM AU

http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/buying/housing-cheaper-in-new-york-than-regional-australia/news-story/c64486081be0bd913421c57450de0a50

Cheaper in New York (than Illawarra) | Illawarra Mercury

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/3865507/cheaper-in-new-york/

DEMOGRAPHIA AUSTRALIA

http://www.demographia.com.au/

The Property Council of Australia says housing affordability at crisis point | Illawarra Mercury

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/3869058/housing-affordability-a-challenge/
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May 5, 2016 8:03am
dime

Another day in paradise. Just had a giant American breakfast, now I’m taking a giant American sized dump and reading kiwiblog.

Up next, shopping and swimming. Enjoy your day dirtbags
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May 5, 2016 8:03am
Captain Mainwaring

Lots more dosh thrown at Pharmac, much of which is going to treatment for advanced melanoma, but it’s Keytruda’s main rival that’s got the contract, and apparently at a much better price.
Angry Andy, after hosting Keytruda for lunch and then promoting their product, is once again looking like the weapons-grade plonker that he is.
Maybe the first three letters of their name should have scared him off.
Long may he remain as Liabore’s “leader”.
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May 5, 2016 8:04am
Hugh Pavletich

China Warns Economists, Analysts, Reporters About “Overly bearish” Remarks | MishTalk

https://mishtalk.com/2016/05/03/china-warns-economists-analysts-reporters-about-overly-bearish-remarks/#more-37451

I remain in “awe” of China-loving proponents who believe the Yuan will soon supplant the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency on the way to becoming the world’s top economic power.

By soon I mean a “decade” or less. It’s not going to happen.

Centrally planned bogus economies, with tiny illiquid bond markets, huge capital controls, pegged currencies, and no freedom of
speech are no way suitable for such lofty expectations.

One can make such comments here, in China, you are in trouble.

Please consider China Presses Economists to Brighten Their Outlooks. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Watch this superb video documentary to learn what Friedrich Hayek had to say … THE LIFE & THOUGHT OF FRIEDRICH HAYEK … essential viewing …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU8rQnKN_uo
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May 5, 2016 8:10am
Captain Mainwaring

What’s this ‘moderation’? Is it a random thing?
Nothing controversial in what I just posted.
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May 5, 2016 8:12am
Keeping Stock

The beatification of St Hilary of Barry:

Hilary Barry’s resignation from TV3 appears to have been the tipping point which led to a revolt by MediaWorks executives against company boss Mark Weldon.

The Herald has learned that key executives at the head of the company sought out meetings with board members and told them Mr Weldon had lost their support.

The decision by executives to seek out personal meetings with the board members came after the discovery Hilary Barry would be the latest in a long list of staff to leave the broadcaster.

Chairman Rod McGeoch – who said Monday Mr Weldon had the “full support” of the board – was said to be targeted by the executives as a key person in the movement against the chief executive.

Other directors were also spoken to.

The revolt by senior management was cited by an informed source as a key reason for Mr Weldon’s resignation, which also saw him saying the “the personal cost is now too high to continue in this role”.

The announcement by Mr Weldon today saw a gathering of former MediaWorks staff in a central Auckland bar. There was champagne – but the glasses were raised to the company rather than Mr Weldon’s departure. The group of former staff included some of the most senior executives to have left during his 21 months at the helm.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11633595

Whether deserved or not, Weldon certainly seems to have been the target of a vendetta. I wonder if his contract includes provisions for a personal grievance for constructive dismissal.
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May 5, 2016 8:14am
Monique Watson

good to see Pharmac funded for new cancer fighting drugs. 36 million
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May 5, 2016 8:15am
Simon

This is to help all the confused as fuck anti-Trump bedwetters.

Trump is the Repub nominee today on a single issue. Immigration. That is he has promised to end illegal immigration which involves in part in building a wall. That’s it. To run American immigration like a normal country like say NZ.

Trump can do what he likes in other areas provided he builds that wall. He is the only one to promise a wall, so he gets the nomination and until that wall doesn’t get built he gets the support.

Single issue nomination.
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May 5, 2016 8:19am
Happychappy

Are we seeing a gang up from frm the Herald and the Hub on Education or has Labour hired their services to help the school boy Cris Hipkins.
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May 5, 2016 8:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Capn Mainwaring

I’ve fallen into moderation a few times. Time period can be over 15 minutes…. seems to break the continuity of any flowing debate.
Who knows why you get moderated? Maybe I express views that need to be scrutinised before you delicate flowers can be exposed to them.
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May 5, 2016 8:21am
mikenmild

KS
No contract provides for such a thing. A claim for constructive dismissal is made on the facts of the case.
Weldon’s contract probably has generous exit provisions – gotta take care of the top guys, right? He would have realised his position was untenable once the board lost confidence in him.
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May 5, 2016 8:23am
oldpark

See the renegade ratbag politician Peter Dunne from Ohariu has jumped the shark again. Fresh from refusing to support any changes to the RMA act allowing the Maori Party to dictate any changes. Dunne crossed the floor last night and supported Angry Andy Little,s mad dog rental house proposal where it could be the beginning of the end for rental property owners. Seems compulsory heating devices into all rental properties,sounds reasonable. Until the massive cost just for starters. If it becomes compulsory,cost of running the power will be borne by the tenant which could be massive. Rents will increase,alot higher than now. Seems the ratbag Dunne has aided and abetted a hairbrain scheme by Angry Andy Little. Easy for Dunne as the one man band drives around in his taxpayer funded 2016 latest vehicle big noting,completely blinded to who put him in that position,sadly allowing him to wreak havoc in the rental market. Dunne with his stance on now three things. Only supporting the present Government providing they financially keep red radio, masquerading as Radio New Zealand on air. He reneged on the RMA amendments. Now to rub his supporters noses in the **** he crossed the floor and supported Angry Andy Little,s proposed crazy rental property bill.
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May 5, 2016 8:24am
Tarquin North

I was just reading about all these people who have left TV3 in the Horrid. I wonder what they’re doing for a crust now? I have never heard of most of them and probably never will again. As Charles De Gaulle said “The graveyards are full of heros and irreplaceable men”. Of course this will in no way affect Hilary Barrys Elevation to To sainthood carried on the shoulders of the adoring media.
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May 5, 2016 8:25am
waikatogirl

Liabour have been accused of dirty politics by Pamajeet Palmer, the National list MP who will stand for Mt Albert if Goofy becomes Mayor, has laid a complaint with the Auckland Council that she has been blocked from attending citizenship ceremonies in the local ward in Phil Goff’s seat.

The Board Chair who has the say of who and who cannot attend, Julie Fairy is the wife of Michael Wood, the Liabore candidate for Mt Roskill. Mr wood says attacking his wife is tacky, desperate and unacceptable.

The Council says it is bound by the Local Govt Act and can’t change the rules.
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May 5, 2016 8:26am
Keeping Stock

@ mikenmild – I’m sure St Hilary’s contract will have had a nice exit provision as well. Our TV “personalities” are exceptionally well remunerated.
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May 5, 2016 8:27am
Captain Mainwaring

I’m with you on that one oldpark.
The Nats need to do the decent thing and put up a proper candidate against Dunny-can next year so we can be rid of the troughing whore forever.
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May 5, 2016 8:29am
mikenmild

Sure. Vulnerable people like CEs and media stars will usually have much better contractual protection than the great unwashed.
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May 5, 2016 8:29am
cmm

@Monique Watson:

“good to see Pharmac funded for new cancer fighting drugs. 36 million”

Yup, fine if that is a well considered expenditure. We need to keep the emotion out of it. Unfortunately we now live in an age where emotion trumps rational discussion. We must suppress important discussion because it might make someone feel uncomfortable or hurt their feelings.

What I am opposed to of late has been the “just fund everything” mindset that considers tax an infinite resource.

The government needs to rather focus on doing the best with the tax revenue it gets. It is a finite pool. If we spend 36M more on some cancer drug then that should be 36M not spent elsewhere.

Pharmac has generally been very good at keeping unemotional and get good outcomes for their budget, but they do get pressurised.

This issue has become very emotional and the reality is that 36M spent on, say, suicide intervention, would likely save more people than 36M spent on some very expensive cancer drugs.

Emotional people might say “You wouldn’t say that to the family of a cancer victim”, but I would equally retort “you wouldn’t say that to the family of a suicide victim.”
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May 5, 2016 8:30am
Monique Watson

@oldpark. I don’t think there’s a lot of rental property owners in Ohariu.
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May 5, 2016 8:35am
mikenmild

cmm
To an extent that is right. But we start from first principles: divide the government’s income into bug buckets: health, education, defence, welfare, police, etc. Out of the billions in the health bucket we allocate to Pharmac, DHBs, GPO subsidies, etc. Pharmac manages its part of the pot. So it’s not a trade-off between a cancer drug and suicide prevention as such. Effectively, we only get a trade-off between different types of drugs purchased at public expense. Pharmac appears to be pretty good at doing that. The trade-off for suicide prevention would be between that and maybe many other programmes run by the Ministry of Health and DHBs.
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May 5, 2016 8:36am
Monique Watson

@CMM
A thriving economy is the best suicide prevention.
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May 5, 2016 8:38am
rangitoto

Another “All Blacks” were poisoned claim.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573808/New-Zealand-Blacks-rugby-team-deliberately-poisoned-lost-world-cup-final-South-Africa-claims-Nelson-Mandela-s-bodyguard.html
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May 5, 2016 8:38am
Monique Watson

furthermore it’s reasonable expenditure in that it’s enabling New Zealand join the rest of the world in access to these drugs. This is surely rational expenditure. You in Vegas Dime?
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May 5, 2016 8:41am
calendar girl

Capt Mainwaring @ 8:12 –

Your comment was fine. Maybe it’s just a blanket moderation safeguard on any comments mentioning Angry Andy?
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May 5, 2016 8:53am
tom hunter

That is he has promised to end illegal immigration which involves in part in building a wall. That’s it. To run American immigration like a normal country like say NZ.

It’s like watching a film about the great Tent Revivalists and their followers.

“It’s gonna be a great wall. This will be a wall with a big, very beautiful door because we want the legals to come back into the country.”
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May 5, 2016 8:55am
VicParking

The failing newspapers article on the standards of maths in our schools misses the elephant in the room.
“If childern cant learn its because teachers cant teach” and why is this?
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May 5, 2016 8:56am
Kimbo

!@ Keeping Stock

Whether deserved or not, Weldon certainly seems to have been the target of a vendetta. I wonder if his contract includes provisions for a personal grievance for constructive dismissal.

Like professional sports coached, there are two types of CEOs. Those who have been fired…and those who will be. He would be better to suck it up, rejuvenate for 6 months or a year, and then grab the next plum position that is sure to come along. That’s why those ~~rich pricks~~ guys and girls are paid the big bucks – job security is negligible.
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May 5, 2016 9:02am
Kimbo

@ tom hunter

That is he has promised to end illegal immigration which involves in part in building a wall. That’s it. To run American immigration like a normal country like say NZ.

It’s like watching a film about the great Tent Revivalists and their followers.

“It’s gonna be a great wall. This will be a wall with a big, very beautiful door because we want the legals to come back into the country.”

Actually, Billy Sunday, the most well-known proponent of revivalism was, courtesy of his Prohibitionism and the Great War, a virulent opponent of German immigration. Likely would never have let Trump’s forebears into the country if he had his way!
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May 5, 2016 9:07am
waikatogirl

Monique
You in Vegas Dime?
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Apparently sunning himself in Hawaii.
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May 5, 2016 9:08am
Keeping Stock

Quite so Kimbo – and to take the sporting analogies further (with a slight change to make the analogy relevant), Weldon quite clearly lost the make-up room.
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May 5, 2016 9:12am
flipper

Mmnnnnn…..

Do NOT be misled by the “wall” issue. It was NOT conclusive in getting Trump voter support. It got him dollops of free media attention. It was NOT ISIS, or the effete snob elites favourite – a crappy thing named “foreign policy.”

As the NY, North East five, the Indiana primaries, and the previously Dermocrat voting West Virginia miner confronting Clinton on her “we will shut the mines promise” confirmed, “It is the economy stupid”.

Se ya at the inauguration parade and the post event celebratory parties January next.
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KASICH has just annouced that he is gone.
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May 5, 2016 9:14am
Kimbo

@ Simon

Single issue nomination.

Which explains in three words why, like Barry Goldwater (“conservatism”), George Wallace (“segregation”) and George McGovern (“anti-Vietnam War”) Trump has been getting vocal and passionate support…and why he will almost certainly lose when having to appeal to the wider electorate, especially in a nation as diverse and widely-populated as the USA.

There is only one “single issue” that wins elections. Just as with New Zealand, it’s not immigration, refugees, Springbok tours, abortion, conservation or defence. Instead, “it’s the economy, stupid”.
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May 5, 2016 9:14am
Longknives

Why do people who live in State Houses (Generously gifted and funded by the Taxpayer) always go running to the Media crying ‘They’re taking my home’ when they get moved on?
Newsflash- It’s not ‘your’ home. If you want ‘your own home’ start paying Mortgage or Rent..
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May 5, 2016 9:17am
Scott

“The stranger who led young Navajo girl to her death”

When I read this article I realised afresh why I support the death penalty. It’s the right thing to do for this dead girl to get justice, it’s biblically correct, is the right thing for the family to get justice and it is the right thing so that justice is done on the perpetrator.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/79636854/the-stranger-who-led-young-navajo-girl-to-her-death
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May 5, 2016 9:18am
Longknives

Dime- How you liking Hawaiian portions? I swear I whacked on 5kg when I visited there a few years ago…
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May 5, 2016 9:19am
Fletch

I was just reading about all these people who have left TV3 in the Horrid. I wonder what they’re doing for a crust now?

Maybe the new boss will hire them all back – Hillary included. Maybe it was a sacrificial move to get what they wanted in the long run.
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May 5, 2016 9:25am
Manolo

@Longknives: The size of those portions is obscene. Two people can easily eat from any main served at an American restaurant. No kidding.
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May 5, 2016 9:25am
Brigitte

Dunne might have done the Nats a favour. The current draft bill has little or no detail in it (as highlighted in various blogs including here). Now they need to actually propose some concrete provisions within the Bill – and that will have costs attached. Of course they can sell the benefits as being more positive than the negative of the costs….but which party do you reckon will be best at getting their message across?
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May 5, 2016 9:26am
Inandout

Won’t be too long before we see these Sharia police walking the streets of Mt Roskill.

http://www.dw.com/en/sharia-police-who-patrolled-german-city-of-wuppertal-in-orange-vests-to-face-trial/a-19232300
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May 5, 2016 9:27am
Manolo

Kerry warns? Who is going to listen to this clown?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/05/04/kerry-warns-assad-regime-backers-to-start-political-transition-by-august.html?intcmp=hplnws
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May 5, 2016 9:28am
Happychappy

You can tell there was avendeta to remove Mark Weldon when you listen to ex reporter of TV 3 Sarah Hall.It also tells you that the older staff thought it was wrong to remove people that were past their used by date as the station was a family,but you can’t make money in business by having your staff think that they know better.By the sounds of the dissent it would not matter who was the new broom to sweep it was the staff that helped the demise in ratings before Weldon arrived and then set out to destroy him when they did not like the decisions he was making and their friends were made redundant
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May 5, 2016 9:31am
Longknives

“Won’t be too long before we see these Sharia police walking the streets of Mt Roskill.”

Especially now our Government is going to flood New Zealand with even more Muslim Refugees- Seemingly ‘No Questions Asked’.
This decision will inevitably cost some innocent New Zealanders their lives- I hope sucking up to Helen and the UN was worth it…
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May 5, 2016 9:31am
Odakyu-sen

Hugh @ 8:03

Geelong homes less affordable than Tokyo survey finds … Geelong Advertiser

On the surface, this may be true, but are we comparing apples with mikan?

In Tokyo, there is a world of difference between a rabbit hutch in a high-rise block, and a detached house.
Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D97PbqIm9B0

What proportion of the “Geelong homes” are 50-square-meter 2-small-bedroom apartments?
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May 5, 2016 9:37am
Kimbo

@ Happychappy

It also tells you that the older staff thought it was wrong to remove people thatwere past their used by date as the station was a family,but you can’t make money in business by having your staff think that they know better.

Yes, that would explain the mentality that drove the quality economic analysis and critique (sic) of the Key Government the likes of John Campbell used to provide during his last few years at TV3. Hell, if you can run a business like you never have to generate sufficient income to pay the bills, why not a country?! But at least he is now at a place where his philosophy aligns with his employment – just soak the taxpayer indefinitely and complain when they don’t give you enough for any and every vanity project!
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May 5, 2016 9:38am
Captain Mainwaring

Masterton council is appointing non-elected Maori representatives, with full voting rights, to its boards.
What the Hell is going on here? Are they legally obliged to do this under the T of W? If so, we need some new legislation.
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May 5, 2016 9:47am
stephieboy

inandout, if the very highly unlikely event that” Sharia Police” did try to patrol the streets of Mt Roskill then it would most certainly get this kind of response ,

(From your same link,)

“German Muslim community announces protest against extremism”

Mosques across Germany are planning to unite against Islamist extremists this week. The country’s Central Council of Muslims wants to reframe the public debate which has increasingly blurred its rhetoric about Islam.

http://www.dw.com/en/german-muslim-community-announces-protest-against-extremism/a-17926770
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May 5, 2016 9:49am
stephieboy

Long knives , “flood” NZ with Muslim refugees ? How many exactly ?

Cost NZ lives ? ?
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May 5, 2016 9:52am
rangitoto

Do NOT be misled by the “wall” issue. It was NOT conclusive in getting Trump voter support. It got him dollops of free media attention. It was NOT ISIS, or the effete snob elites favourite – a crappy thing named “foreign policy.”

Nate Silver has an interesting graph showing that Trump broke through a vote ceiling barrier in April.

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/silver-postin-1.png?w=1150&h=475

His theory:

My theory as of a couple weeks ago — and having not gotten so many other things about the Republican race right, I’m sticking to it — is that Republican voters were swayed by Trump’s arguments that the candidate with the most votes and delegates should be the nominee.
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May 5, 2016 9:55am
B.L.Zeebub

The pictures of Barry and McRoberts gloating over Weldons resignation reflects the lack of maturity and direction that has TV 3 haemorrhaging viewers.
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May 5, 2016 10:04am
Manolo

KB’s progressive and multiculturalist sends his regards:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3523034/Pictured-British-ISIS-jihadi-lapping-grooming-tips-online-fans-called-Brussels-style-attacks-Gatwick-moaning-misses-Costa-Coffee.html
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May 5, 2016 10:08am
ciaron

I would not be at all sad to see the precious petals at mediaworks reap the full benefit or their pyrrhic victory. Maybe the viewers could have drinks when it all folds up?
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May 5, 2016 10:09am
Inandout

stephieboy 9.49: You know full well that the muslim extremists get their way in the end because the religion is designed to keep adherents subjugated. In other words the flock are used to being shepherded, and the dog which barks loudest gets listened to.
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May 5, 2016 10:10am
stephieboy

inandout, do have a reality check by visiting your Doctor !
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May 5, 2016 10:23am
Odakyu-sen

In and Out

Also, in Islam there is no central authority (like the Vatican), so how does the flock know who is “correct” in a given issue? The answer is the one who follows the Koran the closest and most literally. After all, there is no wiggle room with the Word of God so the party who follows the Words to the letter and crosses each “i” and dots each “t” with the greatest zeal must be the most righteous.

You can see how this fans the flames of extremism.
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May 5, 2016 10:25am
UglyTruth

Also, in Islam there is no central authority (like the Vatican), so how do the flock know who is “correct” in a given issue?

Interpretations vary, but the Quran emphasizes the value of truth and reason.

The answer is the one who follows the Koran the closest and most literally. After all, there is no wiggle room with the Word of God, so the party who follows the Words to the letter and crosses each

Actually there is some wiggle room. The “word of God” originally referred to prophetic insight. Events would sometimes unfold without conforming to the original prophecy, fulfillment of purpose appeared to be sufficient.
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May 5, 2016 10:29am
Hugh Pavletich

PAT CADDELL: MAELSTROM OF POPULAR REVOLT FROM LEFT & RIGHT AGAINST CORRUPT RULING CLASS … BREITBART

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/05/links-5-april-2016-2/ … and … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/05/general_debate_5_may_2016.html

Maelstrom of popular revoly from Left and Right against corrupt ruling class … Pat Caddell … Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/04/pat-caddell-were-in-the-middle-of-a-maelstrom-of-popular-revolt-from-left-to-right-against-corrupt-ruling-class/

Veteran pollster and political analyst Pat Caddell, of the “Political Insiders” show airing Sunday nights on Fox News, joined SiriusXM host Stephen K. Bannon on Wednesday’s Breitbart News Daily to talk about the impact of the Indiana primary on the presidential race. … listen and read more via hyperlink above …

… MID-MARCH FROM ZEROHEDGE …

Nassim Taleb sums up the American election … Zerohedge

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-12/nassim-taleb-sums-americas-election-17-black-swan-words

Sometimes, less is more, and in infamous “Black Swan” philosopher Nassim Taleb’s case, summing up the chaos that is enveloping America, and its forthcoming election was as simple as the following:

“The *establishment* composed of journos, BS-Vending talking heads with well-formulated verbs, bureaucrato-cronies, lobbyists-in training, New Yorker-reading semi-intellectuals, image-conscious empty suits, Washington rent-seekers and other “well thinking” members of the vocal elites are not getting the point about what is happening and the sterility of their arguments.”

To which he appended the following 17 perfectly succinct words:

“People are not voting for Trump (or Sanders). People are just voting, finally, to destroy the establishment.”
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May 5, 2016 10:32am
stephieboy

Odakyu-sen, many Christian denominations including Orthodox and Protestant don’t have a centralised Papal authority so the claim that the absence of this fans extremism is nonsense !
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May 5, 2016 10:33am
Inandout

stephieboy 10.23: If doctors could give ‘reality checks’ then do you suggest a Dr Mohammed? Speaking of Mohammeds, there was a car dealer on Fair Go last night who got his dander up and threatened to deck the reporter. Didn’t look too good for the Islamic one so word must have got out for damage control; lo and behold, another Mohammed turned up with a free replacement vehicle. In fact the whole episode was weird.
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May 5, 2016 10:40am
Hajji

@ Inandout

Muslims are humans too.

Who would have thunk it!
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May 5, 2016 10:54am
Jack5

StephieX’s 9.49 post included:

Mosques across Germany are planning to unite against Islamist extremists this week.

If Europe hadn’t let in Muslims like the one in the article I link to below, there would be nothing to unite against.

When will NZ take Middle East Christians and Yazidis as refugees instead of Muslims? How weak of our politicians to let the U.N. foist on NZ Muslim refugee quotas.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3523034/Pictured-British-ISIS-jihadi-lapping-grooming-tips-online-fans-called-Brussels-style-attacks-Gatwick-moaning-misses-Costa-Coffee.html
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May 5, 2016 11:04am
mikenmild

Jack
Have you got any information to confirm that we are not taking any Christian or Yazidi refugees.
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May 5, 2016 11:09am
Jack5

Milky at 11.09:

Where are the Middle East Christians and Yazidis in the quotas, Milky? Why aren’t they in the propaganda to make us plebs welcome the Muslim refugees?

But what is this faux-Socratic questioning technique you’ve borrowed from the Stephiestanis? Do your own digging, Milky.
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May 5, 2016 11:14am
Jack5

John Key likes to live a bit on the edge, old currency trader that he is. Change the flag, change tack on a referendum result … now it’s raise the intake of Muslim refugees. Life without risk — food without salt, to those whose brains are a little dopamine deficient.

Perhaps we need a risky hobby to give the PM a more acceptable outlet.

Mountain climbing? No, Helen Clark’s already done that. Ski-ing? No, not dangerous enough. How about a crowd-raising fund to buy him a racing motor-cycle?

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1869106,00.html
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May 5, 2016 11:15am
mikenmild

The fact is, Jack, that there is no religious screening of refugees settling here. It’s irrelevant: we take refugees prioritised by UNHCR on needs, not to conform to your prejudices.
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May 5, 2016 11:16am
Jack5

Re Milky at 11.16’s “The fact is, Jack, that there is no religious screening of refugees settling here”.

The fact is, Milky, that there are hundreds of thousands of persecuted Christians and Yazidis displaced in the Middle East, and that this Western, non-Muslim country is overwhelmingly receiving Muslim refugees.

Why aren’t the Born Again Christians speaking up on this? (The fading-away Old Establishment churches are so politically correct, weak, and self-destructive they are almost wishing us into becoming an Islamic country.)
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May 5, 2016 11:21am
mikenmild

How do you know that refugees coming here are overwhelmingly Muslim?
Even if they were, what problem do you have with people being prioritised on the basis of need, rather than religious prejudice?
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May 5, 2016 11:29am
All_on_Red

Mikey
You seem to have some info on how Refugees are screened. Can you share with us what the process is? What does UNHCR and our Govt actually go through?
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May 5, 2016 11:30am
mikenmild

Try googling Immigration NZ.
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May 5, 2016 11:31am
stephieboy

Jack 5, the facts also that there are literally millions of more Muslims similarly persecuted and displaced by the civil war in Syria and the war in Iraq. ISIS has especially target Shia and even other Sunnis who don’t tow their religious ideological line .

And I’m confident the Refugee board would give some favourable consideration to a quota of Yaziidis and Christians and maybe doing that already . Why not ask them ?

Maybe Born gains Christians don’t see the issue in the same light as you do . It could be as simple as that .
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May 5, 2016 11:34am
All_on_Red

Mikey
It’s just that you say ‘there is no religious screening’,so I presume you must know something. I’m not getting at you but just interested. Thought maybe you would want to share instead of avoiding the question.
Oh well.
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May 5, 2016 11:34am
ciaron

Even if they were, what problem do you have with people being prioritised on the basis of need, rather than religious prejudice?

This is where it seems your thinking is broken mkienmild. The persecution of Christians and Yazidis because of their religion is why they should be considered of greater need.

All_on_red
all he has is a ten year old study which means nothing in relation to current events. And y’know how absence of evidence is evidence of absence…
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May 5, 2016 11:36am
stephieboy

All on Red, as I suggested to Jack 5 , why don’t you take the trouble and contact Immigration NZ and ask therm instead of whinging on about the UN HCHR or whatever ?

citron, as I keep reminding Islamaphobics like you many Muslims like Shia have born the brunt of ISIS persecution just as as Yazids and Christians. Not that takes way the justice of the laters plight .
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May 5, 2016 11:37am
All_on_Red

On Her Majesty’s Secret Server
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hacker-guccifer-i-got-inside-hillary-clinton-s-server-n568206

He could be making it up but seriously her judgement in having her own server whilst Secretary of State is pretty appalling. Although it’s claimed she did it deliberately to avoid FOIA requests… Crooked Hillary eh.
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May 5, 2016 11:37am
Kimbo

Try googling Immigration NZ.

Says the guy who recently demanded child abuse stats over the years from others on this forum rather than actually acknowledge the elephant in the room that is the horrific disproportionate Maori kiddie death-rate. Dickhead. You had his number, All_on_Red.
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May 5, 2016 11:37am
All_on_Red

Not whinging Stephie
Just asking. This is GD on a blog… You know, where we share info and talk about it.
Do you know what they do?
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May 5, 2016 11:38am
ross411

Monique Watson (1,233 comments) says:
May 5th, 2016 at 8:15 am
good to see Pharmac funded for new cancer fighting drugs. 36 million

Not so sure. Only 350 patients per year funded, seems rather pointless if you’re numbered 351 or up. You’re funding through taxes the lucky few who got chosen in unknown ways.
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May 5, 2016 11:39am
Jack5

Milky (at 11.21): it is outrageous that you should by implication claim that Muslims are not the overwhelming proportion of Middle East refugees being foisted on NZ by a United Nations agency.

Fact 1: Hundreds of thousands of Middle East Christians (plus Yazidis and other non-Muslim people) have been displaced.

Fact 2: NZ is being given overwhelmingly Muslim refugees.

Fact 3: there is now an official or semi-official campaign to obfuscate this by keeping secret from New Zealanders the proportion and numbers of Muslims the U.N. agency is foisting on NZ. There is a notable down-toning of the MSM campaign, and emphasis now is keeping the word “Muslim” away from any mention of “refugees”.

Fact 4: Muslims or Muslim sympathisers within NZ seem to be running a misinformation propaganda campaign by suggesting no-one can know how many Muslims are coming into as refugees, therefore probably only a small proportion are Muslims. It’s appalling that these people should try to keep from New Zealanders this information. The Stephie suggestion in a post above that this information should be available to NZ’ers only on application to the Immigration Department is also appalling. This isn’t Stephiestan.

Here’s one step further, and it’s only a guess. You have to wonder whether, as in the old pro-Arab faction days of the British Foreign Office, there isn’t now also a pro-Islamic faction within NZ’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade. At least one prominent staffer became a Muslim convert and now holds a senior position overseas on behalf of NZ. There was another who married an Islamic lady and presumably also converted.
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May 5, 2016 11:47am
mikenmild

I thought you weren’t talking to me any more, Kimbo. Have I been through that emotional turmoil for nothing?
Three of your four ‘facts’ are not facts, Jack….
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May 5, 2016 11:52am
All_on_Red

‘ thought you weren’t talking to me any more, Kimbo.’ – thought he was talking to me, but never mind.

‘Three of your four ‘facts’ are not facts, Jack….’ – how so? Do you have some stats?
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May 5, 2016 12:13pm
mikenmild

More to the point, does he?
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May 5, 2016 12:15pm
All_on_Red

Well, you seem sure he doesn’t. Feel free to prove him wrong.
The point is; can you?
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May 5, 2016 12:17pm
Kimbo

@ All_on_Red

‘ thought you weren’t talking to me any more, Kimbo.’ – thought he was talking to me,…

Correct…about someone is who a troll and not worth wasting your time on. Anyway, better things to discuss as this is starting to sound like Taxi Driver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e9CkhBb18E
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May 5, 2016 12:18pm
ross411

Scott (2,494 comments) says:
May 5th, 2016 at 9:18 am
“The stranger who led young Navajo girl to her death”

When I read this article I realised afresh why I support the death penalty. It’s the right thing to do for this dead girl to get justice, it’s biblically correct, is the right thing for the family to get justice and it is the right thing so that justice is done on the perpetrator.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/79636854/the-stranger-who-led-young-navajo-girl-to-her-death

Biblically correct? So you’re saying that you don’t support the death penalty, because the bible is a book full of sorcery clearly made up? Not sure I understand?
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May 5, 2016 12:21pm
stephieboy

Jack 5, nobody is running any kind of propaganda disinformation campaign . The claim there is a pro islamic faction in the MOF and Trade is speculative more based on paranoia than reality !

The simple fact that the overwhelming number of the 4 million refugees in Turkey , Lebanon and Jordan are Muslim . Christians and Yazzidis only contribute to a small percentage to that not that their plight needs sympathetic consideration . Shame that you don’t seem inclined to lobby MOF etc on their behalf
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May 5, 2016 12:22pm
mikenmild

I think the full description is ‘left-wing troll’, Kimbo.
But, I’m flattered you are still reading my humble contributions. Truly flattered.
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May 5, 2016 12:23pm
All_on_Red

‘Christians and Yazzidis only contribute to a small percentage to that not that their plight needs sympathetic consideration’

You don’t think Christians and Yazzidis need sympathy and consideration?
Wow, what a bigot.
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May 5, 2016 12:30pm
blazeoflight

Is that waitress on Story last night looking for an agent?
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May 5, 2016 12:45pm
Manolo

stephieboy will enjoy the article:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/05/04/my_gut_trump_beats_hillary_in_landslide
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May 5, 2016 1:01pm
Jack5

Ahoy Milkenmild and the Stephieboys posting team:

I know Kiwiblog gets your posts for free, but have you two lots ever thought of teaming up and offering your services as blog agents provocateur? On Right and Centre-Right blogs, you could put up the post count, both with your own work and with the counter-posts you generate.
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May 5, 2016 1:02pm
Jack5

Further to Milkenmild and the Stephieboys: I guess the position on the Muslim refugee intake into New Zealand is that many of us, perhaps most of us, don’t want more Muslims in this country.

For our refugee quota, we would like Christians, Yazidis, Bahai, Buddhists, Hindu, Sikhs and others being persecuted by Muslims, who seem set on a second great convert-or-die campaign to take over the world.
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May 5, 2016 1:03pm
Manolo

Multicultural, 21st century Britain:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3574263/Women-not-allowed-travel-48-miles-without-male-chaperone-says-British-Muslim-group.html

A British Muslim group has told its members that women should not be able to go further than 48 miles without a male chaperone.

Blackburn Muslim Association stipulates that it is ‘not permissible’ for a women to go more than 48 miles, roughly three days walk, without her husband or a close male relative.
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May 5, 2016 1:05pm
UglyTruth

Last month, Naz Shah MP became one of the most high-profile cases to date in the ‘antisemitism’ scandal still shaking the Labour leadership. Shah was suspended from the Labour party for, among other things, reposting an image on Facebook that was alleged to be antisemitic. The image depicted a map of the United States with Israel superimposed, and suggested resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict by relocating Israel into the United States. It has been reported that Shah got the image from Finkelstein’s website. I spoke with Finkelstein about why he posted the image, and what he thinks of allegations that the Labour party has a ‘Jewish problem’.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/jamie-stern-weiner-norman-finkelstein/american-jewish-scholar-behind-labour-s-antisemitism-scanda
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May 5, 2016 1:13pm
Don the Kiwi

“Inandout (2,224 comments) says:
May 5th, 2016 at 10:40 am
stephieboy 10.23: If doctors could give ‘reality checks’ then do you suggest a Dr Mohammed? Speaking of Mohammeds, there was a car dealer on Fair Go last night who got his dander up and threatened to deck the reporter. Didn’t look too good for the Islamic one so word must have got out for damage control; lo and behold, another Mohammed turned up with a free replacement vehicle. In fact the whole episode was weird.”

Yes, the first Mohamed was an a’hole.
But the second Mohamed is a good guy. He is a co-owner of M.I.K. Autos in Otahuhu who specialise in Jap and other imports – has some very nice and low mileage cars there -, and I bought my Subaru Legacy from him back in January. I suspect he is NZ born because he speaks very well, and was straight up with me, and did me a good deal. I would have no hesitation buying from him again. He is obviously a sincere Muslim, because in the TV Fair Go article he said part of the reason he did this was because the name Mohamed was important to him.
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May 5, 2016 1:25pm
dime

Holy shit. I’ve never had so many down ticks!

This must be what it’s like to be milky..

Strike that, got a bunch of upticks.

Watching a bit of TV.. Yank ads are weird. So many drug commercials and they are full on.

The side effects being listed are always hilarious though
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May 5, 2016 1:37pm
UglyTruth

“This is great research showing chemtrails reduce autism in vaccinated children.” ~ David Farrar

A question for the comedians: Why all the fuss when Labour UK’s Ken Livingstone mentioned that Hitler had supported the Zionists? The Havara Agreement was a real historical event, yet he gets accused of “rewriting history”?

http://forum.clonehost.net/topic/17/zionsm/2
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May 5, 2016 1:41pm
Inandout

Don the Kiwi 1.25: Sorted; but the whole segment was a fiasco, and why Fair Go didn’t contact the LMVD first is a mystery.
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May 5, 2016 1:42pm
Rich Prick

So many drug commercials

Followed by medical malpractice lawyers’ commercials. I’ve noticed one side effect of virtually every drug in the US is flatulence. It must cause a lot of litigation there.
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May 5, 2016 1:44pm
Longknives

How are the Bikinis on Waikiki Dime? Jesus I’m jealous- Haven’t had a decent Holiday for ages..
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May 5, 2016 1:46pm
Jack5

New bone to chew on: the banks are feeling the pain from the dairy bubble pop. (NAB, the Australian bank mentioned in the link, owns the Bank of NZ.)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/79655601/why-australia-should-care-about-new-zealands-cows
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May 5, 2016 1:50pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

A question for the comedians

Are you thinking of auditioning for a stand-up comedian role? If so, just say the word – we could give you some insider tips!
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