General Debate 31 May 2016

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Keeping Stock

Labour and the Greens have just got married, but old Uncle Winston wasn’t invited. Wait for the excrement to hit the air conditioner now!

Is Labour now admitting that it cannot govern on its own merits? The sledging has stated already too:

Christopher Bishop
‏@cjsbishop
Deeply humiliating day for NZ’s oldest political party. 100 years on – no longer a major party. #nzpols
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May 31, 2016 3:46pm
alex Masterley

Labour and Greens in bed together?
Who is on top?
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May 31, 2016 3:49pm
LisaGinNZ

Hugh Pavletich

I don’t know why you had so many down votes but I agree with you: Mr. Trump will be the next potus. Joe The Plumber has a recent op ed at Breitbart and he is spot on in his assessment:

“Donald Trump has done something which I’ve been waiting to happen for a long time: He’s won the Republican nomination for president virtually without spending a dime and saying whatever he wants without regard for approval whatsoever from Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Academia, or the politically correct press. When you read how Trump can’t beat Hillary, keep in mind you’re hearing it from the same people who scoffed down their smug noses that he could not possibly win the GOP nomination, either.

They piously labeled his campaign a reality show, a shameless plug for the Trump brand, or a joke. Then these same mystics assured you he would never win a thing after Iowa because he couldn’t prevail with his “style.” They are now stating unequivocally: Trump can’t win in November. I don’t believe that and never have. From the jump, I believed it when Trump said he hadn’t even started in on Hillary. That is a long time coming, my friends.

Fact is, Hillary Clinton hasn’t been called out on anything over the past 25 years, really. She hasn’t been challenged by the leftist press, by Republicans, or anyone on her laundry list of lies, transgressions, and criminal behavior.”

There’s more. And the Leftist USA or NZ media do NOT get it or are actively working against Mr. Trump to save their own worthless hides.

more here: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/30/joe-the-plumber-backing-donald-trump/
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May 31, 2016 3:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ alex Masterley

I must confess to having limited knowledge of threesomes….. but with 2 male and 1 female leader … there would seem to be some interesting combos.

Perhaps some of our more adventurous commenters could provide more detail.
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May 31, 2016 3:56pm
mikenmild

I would have thought ‘Bish’ would be too busy rescuing kittens to be commenting on politics…
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May 31, 2016 3:57pm
Stars And Stripes

starboard- “Another native baby basher uncovered..”

Never fear I will let Duncan Garner know so he can fawn over the mother and he might even organise a protest march in Queen Street.
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May 31, 2016 3:57pm
Captain Mainwaring

Labour and Greens shacking up together.
What’s new about this?
A vote for Labour is a vote for the Greens in Government.
That should be enough to scare the punters away for ever.
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May 31, 2016 4:09pm
fernglas

The Labour Party and the Green Party have confirmed that they will work together at next year’s election in a bid to change the Government.

Labour leader Andrew Little and Green co-leaders James Shaw and Metiria Turei announced this afternoon that they had signed a Memorandum of Understanding.

“It is time for a change,” Mr Little said.

“Labour and the Greens have reached an agreement, common ground, that now is the time to start the work to change the Government in 2017.”
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May 31, 2016 4:14pm
niggly

Bahahahahahaha – heard Metiria Turei on Radio Live news saying that John Key/National will be “worried”!

More like, popcorn sales are going to go through the roof!

Angry and the egocentric Greens in bed together – what could possibly go wrong!
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May 31, 2016 4:16pm
Stars And Stripes

Mikenmild – “I would have thought ‘Bish’ would be too busy rescuing kittens to be commenting on politics…”

How about you MM,rescued any pussy lately?.
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May 31, 2016 4:19pm
Keeping Stock

@ niggly – please don’t even put the thought of Metiria Turei in bed into our minds!
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May 31, 2016 4:20pm
alex Masterley

Maggy,
Had’t thought of it that way.
And having thought about it i need mind bleach.
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May 31, 2016 4:21pm
niggly

@ Keeping Stock – I’m not sure which is worse, picturing them being in bed together like that (ew) …. or them really, really, really, actually believing (and stating authoritatively) that this will be an election winner for them!
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May 31, 2016 4:22pm
rangitoto

Green – Labour party merger. Possible names

Greebour.
Labreen.

I saw someone suggested:

GLUM = Green Labour Understanding Memorandum.
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May 31, 2016 4:30pm
rangitoto

Meanwhile NZ ranked 4th on the World prosperity index. Woe is me.
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May 31, 2016 4:37pm
Don the Kiwi

Griff.
May 31st, 2016 at 3:15 pm
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
George Carlin

Wow-wow-wow………

The irony meter just went way off the scale. 🙂
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May 31, 2016 4:52pm
Jack5

A story for any folk interested in the direction of the NZ dollar with American interest rates likely to rise and China shaky. (Chinese stock-index futures plunged by the limit today then bounced back within a minute – Hong Kong’s Hang Seng futures made a similar short plunge on May 16).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-30/scientist-turned-hedge-fund-founder-cuts-profitable-aussie-short
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May 31, 2016 4:53pm
Happychappy

Today Chris Hipkins got a lesson in Education and not once maybe four or five time and Heke Parata was at her best in making him look out of his depth
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May 31, 2016 5:13pm
Longknives

“from one who thinks that 50 -60 refugees coming to Dunedin represents a horde”

C’mon Stephieboy- You know as well as anyone that 60 will quickly explode into 600 phoney ‘refugees’ once they drag their extended families here..
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May 31, 2016 5:14pm
Nostradamus

Maggy:

I must confess to having limited knowledge of threesomes

Limited knowledge isn’t the same as no knowledge. Why don’t you tell us what you know, and we’ll ask Starboard to fill in the gaps!
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May 31, 2016 5:17pm
Fletch

“Jungle” Jack Hanna, the animal expert who was often on Letterman and other shows, says the zoo did the right thing by killing the gorilla.

Famed animal zookeeper, television host and director emeritus of the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium defended the decision to put down the 450 pound gorilla named Harambe to protect the life of the 4-year-old boy who fell into the enclosure at the Cincinnati Zoo.

“I’ve seen him take a green coconut, which you can’t bust open with a sledgehammer and squish it like this,” Hanna told “Good Morning America” about Harambe, gesturing with his hand the ease with which gorillas can crush fruit. “You’re dealing with either human life or animal life here. So what is the decision? I think it’s very simple to figure that out.”

“I can tell you now, that there’s no doubt in my mind the child would not be here today if they hadn’t made the decision,” Hanna said.
Hanna also defended his position on CBS This Morning and was even more adamant that a horrific tragedy was avoided.

“You hear the screaming noise and watch that gorilla’s response. He doesn’t know what’s going on — he’s a silverback and not a female. You can see by his face that he’s alarmed. He goes over and looks at the little child, there’s no doubt about that, but what happens when you tranquilize the animal?”

“I do research in the wild with gorillas and I know what happens,” Hanna expounded. “When the dart hits that animal … he jumps and what would happen if the animal had a hold of that little boy?”

“So what choice do we have? We have human life and animal life. So what choice do we have?”

“I agree 100% (of the Zoo’s decision to take down the animal),” said Hanna.

“They made the correct decision. In fact, it’s a millisecond decision. They cannot tranquilize … it takes five to ten minutes,” he said. “All of us are sorry. We are heartfelt, but thank goodness a human being is alive today because of a decision the Cincinnati Zoo made.”

http://womanista.com/2016/05/30/famed-animal-expert-jack-hanna-says-gorilla-would-have-killed-bo/
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May 31, 2016 5:18pm
Kiwi Dave

Shawn @ 2.07

You’ll probably find that most atheists/agnostics believe more than a contemptuous nihilism – try reading Life After Faith by Philip Kitcher for something more positive than Bauerlein’s lucubrations.

A difficulty with a highly personal account of deconversion and conversion such as this is that it says more about the narrator’s psyche than about reality. Bauerlein can now recognise his own motivations as a teenager, but can he recognise his present motivations and dispassionately separate them from epistemology?

Someone who apparently admired deconstruction, cultural studies and post-modernism isn’t setting the intellectual bar very high. When he said his religious instruction was competitive with Foucault and Derrida, my first thought was, ‘It’s that bad!”
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May 31, 2016 5:24pm
Hugh Pavletich

THE EXPECTED AUCKLAND RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CONSENT FIASCO …

New dwelling consents issued in Auckland take a dive ramping up pressure on the region’s over-stretched housing market | interest.co.nz

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/81866/new-dwelling-consents-issued-auckland-take-dive-ramping-pressure-regions-over

Auckland’s housing crisis got a whole lot worse in April, with consents for just 699 new dwelling issued in the region, down from 788 in March, 787 in February and 912 in April last year. … read more vida hyperlink above …

Building Consents Issued … Statistics New Zealand

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/industry_sectors/Construction/building-consents-issued-info-releases.aspx
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May 31, 2016 5:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nostradamus 5:17pm

Why don’t you tell us what you know,

I believe I have previously revealed all here on KB wrt my wedding night…. but I wouldn’t know how to relocate the posting.

But, as there’s fewer than 3500 postings to search through, you might find it before the end of the year.
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May 31, 2016 6:06pm
Nostradamus

Maggy:

you might find it before the end of the year.

Well, actually, it didn’t take me that long to find your comment:

Dare I reveal that the husband spent his wedding night in bed with me and our best woman? Bloody hippies!

We need more details!
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May 31, 2016 6:16pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

And for the final day here’s the Verlaines with This Valentine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yuzs_oVrB0
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May 31, 2016 6:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nostradamus

I could employ you.

We need more details!

It was so long ago….
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May 31, 2016 6:40pm
mikenmild

I see that today is the 100th anniversary of the Battle of Jutland, the most significant naval clash of the First World War. HMS New Zealand participated, one of few ships to fight in the three major actions in the North Sea during the war. New Zealand was a gift to the Royal Navy from the Dominion. I’m not sure whether there were many New Zealanders aboard, aboard, but the Captain wore a piupiu during the battle, observing a superstition among the crew that no harm would befall them if this was worn.
After visiting New Zealand after the war, the battle-cruiser was scrapped as part of naval treaty commitments, although it took the New Zealand government till 1944 to finish paying off the loan taken out to fund construction.
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May 31, 2016 6:41pm
nasska

Read the fine print of that employment contract very carefully Nostra. 🙂
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May 31, 2016 6:44pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Yes, I was thinking “cash on delivery” might not cover off all the risks. (Note to Starboard: I don’t mean that kind of delivery…)
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May 31, 2016 6:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Nos @Nas

dictum meum pactum
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May 31, 2016 6:51pm
Stars And Stripes

Maggy

I had to translate that in Google as I only had a state education.
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May 31, 2016 6:55pm
nasska

So it wouldn’t be a Nudum Pactum Maggy? Good job as Nostra doesn’t show up too well when stripped off. 🙂
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May 31, 2016 6:59pm
Nostradamus

Australian man arrested on child pornography charges in Canada

A Perth child psychiatrist is charged in Canada with child pornography offences after he was allegedly caught filming a boy in a public bathroom. Aaron Voon, who is believed to work as a child psychiatrist at the Successful Development and Therapy Centre in Perth, has been charged with possession of child pornography, making child pornography and voyeurism.

Translation: He’s a pervert.

Voon sent an email addressed to his colleagues, patients and family, saying he has closed his practice indefinitely.

“A most terrible thing has happened with me in the past week whilst overseas which I need to manage urgently,” he wrote.

“Public information may become available as details unfold. It means that I will have to cease practice immediately indefinitely.

“For patients and family I am so sorry for leaving you so suddenly. I can honestly state that these issues have been TOTALLY separate from work and I have always provided you and your children with the best possible, safe and appropriate care.”

Translation: He like boys, but he manages to separate his professional and personal interest in boys (yeah right)
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May 31, 2016 7:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@stars and stripes

I only had a state education.

My 2 years of Latin torture was at Wanganui High School.

@ Nasska

So it wouldn’t be a Nudum Pactum Maggy?

It definitely would be a nudum pactum…. but don’t tell him.
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May 31, 2016 7:12pm
nasska

Diogenes dusted off his lamp and set out once again, this time looking for an honest politician. After a few months of this, a friend asked him how he was doing. “Not too bad,” said Diogenes, “I still have my lamp.”
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May 31, 2016 7:19pm
Jack5

A family violence lie repeated. Toni Street on TVNZ’s Seven Sharp tonight said New Zealand has the worst family violence in the world.

That suggests it is worse than Afghanistan, where women accused of adultery are buried to their neck and stoned to death by mobs, worse than in ISIL territory where the family can include a sex slave, worse than the many non-Western countries where polygamy rules, and worse than in countries where women, for marriage, are bought and sold or even exchanged for livestock.

It suggests NZ family violence is worse than family violence in Pakistan. There, the Islamic council which advises the Government is proposing that a man should be permitted to “lightly beat” his wife if she does not “dress as he desires”, refuses to have sex, fails to take a bath after her period or after intercourse, doesn’t wear a hijab, or speaks so loudly that strangers can hear.

The “NZ is worst” claim indicates that family violence in this country is worse than in Islamic countries where girl children are genitally mutilated, and worse than in countries where divorce for men is quick and easy but difficult, if not impossible, for wives.

It’s easy to acknowledge that NZ has a family violence problem. But the worst in the world? Bullshit.
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May 31, 2016 7:20pm
Stars And Stripes

Jack 5 – shame on you as those claims you make about those Islamic countries are highly defamatory and absolute lies.
Just ask Stephieboy.
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May 31, 2016 7:29pm
mikenmild

I think the true picture is that we have one of the worst rates of domestic violence in the OECD, which is pretty bad on its own, considering that in most social measures we are up in the top two or three.
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May 31, 2016 7:31pm
Stars And Stripes

MM – “Considering that in most social measures we are up in the top two or three”

That’s really strange to hear as if you read the newspaper or listen to the opposition any day of the week you would think NZ was in the bottom two or three for everything.
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May 31, 2016 7:38pm
mikenmild

Well, that’s actually quite funny, as whenever DPF reports here that we are rated as awesome, the thread is quickly overrun with people moaning about nanny state, Maori, feminists, teachers or whatever else they find particularly grating.
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May 31, 2016 7:42pm
Jack5

Milky (7.31). NZ may be down the list of nations in the OECD when it comes to family violence, but the OECD includes Turkey, and I doubt that family violence is worse in NZ than in Turkey. It also includes Finland, and according to the report linked to below from the UN, Finland rates worse than NZ in family violence.

According to the report, only 12 countries in the world report family violence, and NZ ranks 11th. There are 196 countries in the world, when you include Taiwan. There are about 34 countries in the OECD.

Why can’t we just recognise a problem and address it without blowing it up to world significance?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5332717/NZ-worst-for-domestic-violence-UN-report
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May 31, 2016 7:45pm
nasska

It’s the blatant twist that shows the incredible bias of the media. Not the worst rates in the OECD or at the bottom of the stats for the developed world which are regrettable facts.

Instead we’re the worst in the world.
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May 31, 2016 7:45pm
Griff

S&S
Here is a really fun way to spend a few minutes if you find that sort of thing amusing .
OECD better life index
http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/
It will tell you what we are good at and what we suck at.
Just for your information.
Compared to the usa we dont have lots of dosh.
Otherwise we are a role model for them to follow not the other way around .

Money can’t buy you happiness, but it can buy you a yacht big enough to pull up right alongside it.
David Lee Roth
Only a cruiser knows what this really means…..
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May 31, 2016 7:48pm
Stars And Stripes

MM – yes but you were referring to social MEASURES which is things like housing and healthcare.
Was not a social measure for nanny state or feminists last time I looked.
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May 31, 2016 7:48pm
Shawn Herles

“A family violence lie repeated. Toni Street on TVNZ’s Seven Sharp tonight said New Zealand has the worst family violence in the world.

That suggests it is worse than Afghanistan, where women accused of adultery are buried to their neck and stoned to death by mobs, worse than in ISIL territory where the family can include a sex slave, worse than the many non-Western countries where polygamy rules, and worse than in countries where women, for marriage, are bought and sold or even exchanged for livestock. ”

Well Jack, that’s Western feminism for you. It long ago, around the late 60’s and early 70’s, ceased having anything to with real women’s rights, and became just another mob of Leftist and anti-Western nutjobs, perfectly happy to excuse or ignore the growing epidemic of Muslim rape gangs and sexual assualts against women.
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May 31, 2016 7:51pm
EAD

Faux outrage as an MP dares to speak the truth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617053/Labour-activist-suspended-saying-Jews-financed-slavery-remains-defiant-refuses-apologise-comments.html

Talk about over the top, hysterical reaction in a world of supposed free speech – suspended from the party for stating what is a historically verifiable fact (even if Academia and the MSM would have you believe it’s all whiteys fault and we must pay for this and repent for all eternity).

To paraphrase Enoch Powell:
“Have you ever wondered, perhaps, why facts which are easily verifiable but contrary to the elites agenda, are denounced as ‘controversial, ‘extremist’, ‘explosive’, ‘disgraceful’, and overwhelmed with a violence and venom quite unknown to debate on mere political issues? It is because the whole power of the aggressor depends upon preventing people from seeing what is happening and from saying what they see.“

But it wasn’t just slavery they financed – take a look into the origins of Multiculturalism and who benefitted from that (ps: there is even a NZ connection)

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/07/jews-the-ss-empire-windrush-and-the-origins-of-multicultural-britain/

Abridged:

For all intents and purposes, the Empire Windrush was passed into Jewish ownership by a Jewish Secretary for War, given the green light to boost profits and start bringing non-Whites to Britain by a Jewish Minister for Transport, and provided with armies of eager passengers by a Jewish-owned media.

Despite these facts, a very different narrative emerged in the aftermath of the ship’s arrival. Pollard writes that “in the years since the arrival of the Empire Windrush … a myth has taken hold that the British government was responsible for bringing the passengers over as part of a concerted plan to help overcome a labour shortage. …But this is wrong. It is clear from the reaction of ministers that they were as surprised as the public when they first learned, via a telegram from the Acting Governor of Jamaica on May 11, what was about to happen.”
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May 31, 2016 7:51pm
Shawn Herles

Good news from Russia.

‘RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH Declares Holy War Against Islam’

“Hopefully, this represents the first diplomatic signals of a significant geopolitical realignment – a true détente – among nations that realize globalism equals an iron-clad world dictatorship – a dictatorship will use Islam as its foot soldiers now, and its police after the conquest”

The Orthodox Church: The Orthodox Christian Church, which is reclaiming its traditional role in post-Soviet Russia, has just described its government’s fight against the Islamic State and other jihadi groups in Syria as a “holy war.”

http://sonsoflibertymedia.com/russian-orthodox-church-declares-holy-war-islam/
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May 31, 2016 7:55pm
mikenmild

I shouldn’t get too wound up about anything said on 7 Sharp; it features Mike Hosking’s unhinged rants every night, after all.
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May 31, 2016 7:55pm
Stars And Stripes

Griff – yeah cool thing to play around with but obviously it has not really caught on with mainstream yet as the response rate seems really low so far.
Only 737 from NZ out of 3 million odd and 18287 in the USA out of 300 million odd.
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May 31, 2016 7:55pm
Griff

How many geeks interested and even capable of actually adding input to such a index do you think there are ?

Put it this way we# know most the regular commentators on here and even most of the NZ political blog scene .
Maybe a hundred and fifty of us total who regularly comment on political blogs out of 4.5 million kiwis with maybe ten times that as lurkers and occasion commentators.

#We as in the regulars on here .
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May 31, 2016 8:03pm
Jack5

How multiculturalism is rooting Britain’s universities …

Malia Bouattia, black students conference’s officer of the country’s National Union of Students, and now president of the union, has called for prisons to be abolished because UK prisons are sexist and racist.

Bouattia earlier argued that it’s Islamophobic to oppose ISIS.

Griff’s favourite publication, the Daily Mail, reports of the black students’ conference:

It is open to all students who consider themselves ‘politically black’ – and a motion to confine the definition of black to mean ‘of African or Caribbean origin’ was voted down by delegates this weekend.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3616041/Students-call-prisons-banned-NUS-group-says-criminals-freed.html
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May 31, 2016 8:13pm
Dennis Horne

Jim Salinger was one of the first to note global warming, in 1975.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v256/n5516/pdf/256396a0.pdf
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May 31, 2016 8:21pm
Stars And Stripes

Dennis Horne – What did you have,charcoal cooked kebabs or was it just something simple like woodfired pizza?.
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May 31, 2016 8:26pm
Dennis Horne

Yeah, right. Visiting professor at Stanford, lead author at IPCC with a share of a Nobel Prize versus a cuntry bumpkin.

He roared with laughter when I told him a kiwiblog commentator had invested in coal…
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May 31, 2016 8:27pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=Climate+Crap+12.jpg
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May 31, 2016 8:34pm
Stars And Stripes

DH – you sure he was laughing at the coal story and not those pictures of you and that donkey that have been doing the rounds.
They even shocked me and I’m pretty worldly.
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May 31, 2016 8:43pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/80605412/epic-front-page-prompts-heather-du-plessisallen-visit-to-ngaruawahia

Gripping stuff. I see nothing has changed much in NZ since Ive been o’seas.

Bit sick of the rain here. Did I mention the rain here ?
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May 31, 2016 8:56pm
starboard

…anyone got a spare liver, clean liver needed..urgently.
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May 31, 2016 9:03pm
nasska

….”anyone got a spare liver, clean liver needed..urgently”….

Do you have a preference for a liver out of any particular species Starboard? 🙂
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May 31, 2016 9:08pm
Stars And Stripes

Starboard- livers can be requested at ww.scottchris.com
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May 31, 2016 9:09pm
starboard

scott chris’s liver could be ok…not sure about the dents in it ( if you get my drift ) but s’pose beggars cant be choosers.
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May 31, 2016 9:13pm
starboard

mm furiously down ticking away in the background, lol some things never change. Hows mum mm ?
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May 31, 2016 9:18pm
Viking2

The nation’s lowest paid workers will receive a pay increase, following Fair Work Ombudsman’s annual minimum wage decision.

The Fair Work Commission on Monday lifted the national minimum wage by 2.4 per cent — from $656.90 a week to $672.70 per week .

Put another way, that’s $17.70 an hour up from $17.29 per hour — an increase of $15.80 per week.

Unions were pushing for a $30 per week increase, while business has been pushing for an increase of between $8 and $10 per week.

The commission found wages growth was neither a source of inflationary pressure win the economy, nor was it source of declining capacity for Australian firms to compete in international markets.

“The level of increase we have decided upon will not lead to inflationary pressure and is highly unlikely to have any negative impact on employment,” the FWC said in a statement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/05/31/fair-work-commission-raises-minimum-wage-by-15-80-a-week/?ncid=edlinkauhpmg00000001
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May 31, 2016 10:23pm
sam green

So. Anyone watch telly tonite. “Why am I “. The Dunedin Study. Significant research. I expect Farrar to comment derisively at some stage. Or not.
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May 31, 2016 11:05pm
sam green

So you three downtickers. Your comments are?
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June 1, 2016 1:05am
Left Right and Centre

Here’s a comment Einstein – ‘tonite’ – minus one.
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June 1, 2016 2:19am
rightoverlabour

Who was the last, ever, leader of the Labour Party in New Zealand? Answer – Andrew Little.
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June 1, 2016 8:11pm

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