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starboard

“you still mow them and keep your council frontage immaculate.”

“Churr bro..plenty of room for da hangi pit, one out da front ( beside the wrecked and half stripped holden ) and one out da back”

“Churr very much Paula Benefit “
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May 26, 2016 4:13pm
Tauhei Notts

Spare a thought for your unfortunate country cousins unlucky enough to be Fonterra shareholders.
Fonterra’s latest Farm Source magazine at page 13 talks all about how wonderful Fonterra’s international distribution system is. The story goes on to explain that Fonterra ship 20 foot equivalent containers from Tauranga, Lyttelton and Port Chalmers.
To give some interest to the story they have a colour picture of a Maersk Line supposedly carrying Fonterra freight. Trouble is, Rangitoto Island is in the background of the colour photo.
I suppose that is what happens when you put your head office in the queen city.
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May 26, 2016 4:32pm
Fletch

OK, first we had men who say they are really women. Then we had white people who say they are really black. Now there is a new documentary on Channel 4 in the UK about men who dress up as dogs, who think they really are dogs. I kid you not.

It’s easy to laugh at a grown man in a rubber dog suit chewing on a squeaky toy. Maybe too easy, in fact, because to laugh is to dismiss it, denigrate it – ignore the fact that many of us have found comfort and joy in pretending to be animals at some point in our lives.

Secret Life of the Human Pups is a sympathetic look at the world of pup play, a movement that grew out of the BDSM community and has exploded in the last 15 years as the internet made it easier to reach out to likeminded people. While the pup community is a broad church, human pups tend to be male, gay, have an interest in dressing in leather, wear dog-like hoods, enjoy tactile interactions like stomach rubbing or ear tickling, play with toys, eat out of bowls and are often in a relationship with their human “handlers”.

In the documentary, we see Tom, AKA Spot, take part in the Mr Puppy Europe competition in Antwerp, a mix of beauty pageant, talent show and Crufts; David, AKA Bootbrush, talk to camera in a leather dog mask; two pups walk through London pretending to wee on lampposts to raise awareness of their identity; and lots of men jumping up for “treats”, barking and wagging their mechanical tails.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/may/25/secret-life-of-the-human-pups-the-men-who-live-as-dogs

Oh, and this woman thinks she is really a cat –

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3419631/Woman-says-s-CAT-trapped-human-body.html

Society is just getting more and more fkd up.
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May 26, 2016 4:46pm
Reid

I knew a bit ,but that doco was simply stunning,how do they not get thrown in jail for life?

Congrats lilman. Now you know why EAD, UT and I have been saying what we say, for decades.

I suggest now your eyes are opened slightly, you start looking at the detail we post more closely. If you do, you’ll be better informed than 99.9999999999999% of the people here.

And of course, the reason she’s not indicted is because the system is corrupt. As we have been explaining, for decades.
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May 26, 2016 4:52pm
JMS

@ Reid

If you do, you’ll be better informed than 99.9999999999999% of the people here.

99.9999999999999% of the world’s population is everbody. You’ve just implied you’re misinformed.
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May 26, 2016 5:09pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

Couldn’t find a song related to a Govt Budget, but since Hiroshima is being discussed, I decided to go with Herbs and Nuclear Waste

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqCSNH5gxKY
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May 26, 2016 5:11pm
nasska

…..”99.9999999999999% of the world’s population is everbody. You’ve just implied you’re misinformed.”…..

Welcome to the club Reid. Chill out & take comfort in the blissful ignorance we share. 🙂
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May 26, 2016 5:15pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Clinton in the poo over her emails. FBI have just released damning report
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN0YG21Z

“The report concluded that Clinton would not have been allowed to use the server in her home had she asked the department officials in charge of information security. The report said that staff who later raised concerns were told to keep quiet. Several suspected hacking attempts in 2011 were never reported to department information security officials, in breach of department rules, it said”

Will be fascinating to see how this evolves. Can only increase Trumps chances, so will Dems:
1/ Allow indictment, then dump her and run with more electable Sanders.
2/ Use presidential pardon and so paint themselves and her as corrupt and above the law.
3/ Drag it out and hope voters don’t pay too much attention/get tired of it.
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May 26, 2016 5:25pm
mikenmild

Kind of Reid to include everyone in that description of the misinformed. I guess part of his trouble is that he is so poorly educated and ignorant himself, that the truly does not realise how out of touch with reality he is:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect
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May 26, 2016 5:26pm
Griff

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1999-15054-002
PSYCHOLOGY: David Dunning of Cornell University and Justin Kruger of the University of Illinois,
“Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments.”

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of the participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)
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May 26, 2016 5:57pm
Stars And Stripes

I notice that the spend on the spy agencies has gone up quite a bit in the last few years.
I think if you plotted a graph of increase in intelligence agency budgets versus arrival of Muslims in the country there would be a direct correlation.
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May 26, 2016 6:05pm
mikenmild

S&S
That reminded me of something I saw yesterday.
The High Price of Security Theatre
https://reason.com/archives/2016/05/22/the-4-trillion-war-on-terror

Among the highlights:
The FBI, which failed to prevent 9/11, got a $30 billion spending boost, but has mainly distinguished itself by cooking up its own plots to entrap wannabe terrorists
The TSA has cost $70 billion so far, without catching any terrorists. Worse, the airport delays have discouraged flying to an extent that there are estimated to be an extra 500 road deaths each year.
$200 billion for Homeland Security. A lot of this has been wasted on things like videos urging viewers to report any suspicious activity and to be especially wary of people who are “alone or nervous,” or people “of average or above average intelligence” (unlike, apparently, the ones who made the film).

etc, etc
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May 26, 2016 6:16pm
Reid

The US House of Representative makes its first move to authorize lawsuits against countries supporting terrorism on the US soil, a measure whose immediate victim is said to be the Saudi royal family.

During a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee hearing on Tuesday, Democratic and Republican lawmakers blasted Riyadh for its possible role in September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, according to the Hill.

“If a foreign country — any country — can be shown to have significantly supported a terrorist attack on the United States, the victims and their families ought to be able to sue that foreign country, no matter who it is,” said Representative Ted Poe (R-Texas), the head of the subcommittee on Terrorism and a co-sponsor of the bill. “Like any other issue, we should let a jury decide that issue and the damages, if any.”

Representative Brad Sherman, a Democrat from California, went further to portray the Saudi role on promoting terrorism from a broader perspective.

“It is time for Saudi Arabia to come clean,” Sherman said. “They can’t say they don’t support terrorism; all they do is fund hundreds of millions of dollars a year for those who plant the seeds of terrorism around the world.”

The hearing came after the Republican-controlled Senate unanimously voted for the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, which would allow any victim or surviving family members of a terrorist attack on the US soil to take legal action against the foreign nation-states behind the measure, if passed by the House…

The interesting thing is of course, everyone informed knows Israel did 911, using Saudi proxies.

That’s basic.

But the weapons-grade dummies a.k.a. the Western sheeple, have never even questioned why the US always knew the hijackers were from one country yet invaded two completely different ones.

Watch them bleat and maaa as the whole thing gets desperately confusing for the power morons, all the while looking (as designed) anywhere other than at the real culprits.

Boy those Israel-firster ~~Jews~~ murderous bastard neocons who infest and own the MSM come in handy, don’t they.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/05/25/467268/saudi-arabia-terrorism-911-us-house-of-representatives
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May 26, 2016 6:59pm
Stars And Stripes

MM – very interesting stats you provide there and clearly the moral of the story is save money by keeping Muslims in their home countries and kill them there instead as it is much cheaper.
Budget constraints are terrible these days.
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May 26, 2016 7:31pm
Viking2

How come we choose from just two people to run for president
and over fifty for Miss America ?

Why is it that our children
can’t read a Bible in school, but they can in prison?
A completely brilliant question!

Marriage changes passion. Suddenly you’re in bed with a relative.
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May 26, 2016 7:52pm
Shunda barunda

I thought the sane among the Kiwibloggers might enjoy the transcript of EAD’s about the Nazis. It’s a good summary of all the reasons to worship Hitler:

The rise of antisemitism is a deeply disturbing development of the modern world, there are videos on youtube now (documentary length) describing how the wrong side won WW2 with tens of thousands of adoring fans.

While the popular atheist and lib-prog assault on Christianity has reached fever pitch in the west, they have failed to notice the massive growing mob of people holding far more dangerous and irrational beliefs.
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May 26, 2016 8:03pm
mikenmild

S&S
I actually left out the big numbers – $3 trillion (and counting) for the failed wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Quite a lot of money to spend on ventures that have improved America’s security not one whit.
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May 26, 2016 8:12pm
Stars And Stripes

MM- yeah absolutely but look on the bright side as it was a good testing ground for new weapons and some of the TV images of the natives being vaporised were quite good.
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May 26, 2016 8:15pm
Reid

After the Al-Qaeda 9/11 attack on America the US is cooperating with the terrorist group as it did in Libya, Bosnia, and Kosovo, says former US diplomat Jim Jatras.

A senior figure from a Syrian rebel group Ahrar Al-Sham with links to Al-Qaeda reportedly visited the United States at the end of last year, according to an American news website.

Syrian militant group leader Labib al Nahhas, who calls himself “chief of Foreign Political Relations at Ahrar al-Sham,” allegedly arrived in the US capital for a short visit in December.

RT: What’s your take on the visit to the US by a key Ahrar Al-Sham figure? What do you think about the State department response when they were asked about this? They seemed to be quite evasive, didn’t they?

Jim Jatras: It is clearly tap dancing. And frankly it begs credibility that a fellow like this could come to the US. What – we don’t have visa controls? We don’t pay attention to who is coming into this country from a war zone? And they expect us to believe that officials of the US government were not aware of the visit? Mark Toner said that he [the Ahrar Al-Sham figure] didn’t have any meetings here, meaning the US State Department. I would infer that maybe he had meetings elsewhere with some other agencies.

RT: Do you have any idea what was behind the visit to the US?

JJ: My sense is that that they were operational meetings. We are hearing more and more noise about this so-called Plan B if the Russian and the Syrian governments do not knuckle under and agree that at the end of the transition Assad will go. We are getting these threats from the Saudis and the Turks, and frankly they are being backed by the Obama administration, that some kind of forceful action will be taken to secure a victory for these terrorist forces if we don’t get our way on what we demand from a supposed transition. And this worries me very much… They will step up their support for these terrorist groups. And I think Ahrar Al-Sham is one of the key components here despite their very close connection with Al-Qaeda and Al-Nusra Front and their participation in this massacre at Zarah.

RT: Why do US officials keep working with this group which has been linked to Al-Qaeda and claim that they are not terrorists? Do you think that the US would be forced to sort of backtrack on their position or will they dig their heels in?

JJ: I think they will dig their heels in. This is not a mystery to anybody in Washington. They know very well that Ahrar Al-Sham and other so-called moderate groups are closely connected to Al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda. And they don’t back away from them because they know without cooperation with Al-Qaeda, which is what it boils down to, they have no policy options in Syria; that they have to accept the fact that Assad is going to stay in power and the terrorists must be defeated. And they cannot accept that…

Meanwhile the silly ole sheeple munch their green green grass of peace and happiness, in between watching re-runs of the bachelor, or whatever “compelling” bread and circus the evil ones have offered up to the power dummies.

Aren’t sheeple just the biggest dumbfucks in the whole wide world.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344224-us-syria-ahrar-al-sham-qaeda/
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May 26, 2016 8:29pm
nasska

….”it was a good testing ground for new weapons”…..

I ceased to be amazed at anything the day at the start of the 1991 Gulf War when a cruise missile flew past a reporter’s hotel bedroom window & turned left at the next set of traffic lights…..all caught on video.
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May 26, 2016 8:31pm
Griff

While the popular atheist and lib-prog assault on Christianity has reached fever pitch in the west, they have failed to notice the massive growing mob of people holding far more dangerous and irrational beliefs.

He says after reading two comments by lib progs about our resident Nazi.
Ummmm shundra we have been getting at EAD for his nazi bullshite since he first admitted to being a national socialist if not before .
You seldom see anyone doing it except lib prog atheists. In fact is you look above both me and mike received down ticks for it,
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May 26, 2016 9:08pm
nasska

….”You seldom see anyone doing it except lib prog atheists.”….

And it’s left to us to do God’s work for the Godaddled Griff. 🙂
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May 26, 2016 9:29pm
rangitoto

So Winnie thinks English and Key are telling him to get stuffed. He’s way past that stage and ready for fossilisation.
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May 26, 2016 9:40pm
Shunda barunda

And it’s left to us to do God’s work for the Godaddled Griff.

Actually, Christianity and the naturalistic form of atheism are closer in world view than they are different.
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May 26, 2016 9:50pm
Left Right and Centre

“Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments.”

The internet irony meter just went big bang again . . .
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May 27, 2016 3:20am
Griff

Left Right and Centre
Do you think so?
I dont I am well aware of what I dont know. I read reputable sources extensively and have done for a number of years now .
I think you should consider this.
You are i believe the holder of a higher education degree
But could you call your self someone who worker in a job with that degree?
like a accountant ?
nope.
Does having education as that make you a lawyer ?
nope
We have someone else who should be thought of the same that you seem to think is an expert in somethings when they only trained as something else over forty years ago.
Who comes out with some exceedingly fringe views from known sources of wingnuttery.
This person has been caught out a number of times misrepresent papers and repeating obvious provable lies .

I dont think I know much at all.
But the sources I rely on for information and even communicate with at times are the worlds leaders in their field.
Not some fringe whackos from questionable sources.
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May 27, 2016 3:51am
Left Right and Centre

We may be the Ghetto/slums/Bronx of Gizzy, but we have standards!…. and it doesn’t matter how many cars, dogs, boats, horses etc you park up on your lawns, you still mow them and keep your council frontage immaculate.

Magawag . . . yeah, nah. Where I am if you mow za berm it encourages brown ferals to use it as a convenient picnic / park / rest area. They’re too whatever – poor, stupid, lazy, ‘failed by the system’, ‘it’s all JK’s fault’ to go to an actual park no matter how close by it might be.
Leave it unkempt – and then when they loiter – right – let’s get za lawnmower out and do it. Hopefully they leave. Ok – I’ll finish it later – I just remembered I’ve got anything else to do including watching the shake the fat off infomercial.

*******

You might not like punctuation, but it is a helpful courtesy to your readers.

Nah – fuck that – you just skip over the dickheads. Ah yeah – I can’t spell but I made big dollars in management for decades ? *sniff sniff* – more internet steaming shit, yeah ? Just another muh muh – muuuuuh muh muh muh muh. Just another bullshit pseudonym. Yeah – I can’t spell either – that’s why I look the word up. What kind of fuckwit can’t be bothered doing that ? Muh muh muh muh – can’t be arsed – I’m so sooooo sorry muh muh. Yeah ? Well I can’t be bothered reading the post then. Let’s look up schizophrenic – I’ve got no idea it that’s right or not. I got it right – but I had to check.

Muh muh muh muh – can’t be bothered muh muh. Could be anyone mate. ‘I’m in my 60s’. Are ya ? How the fuck would anyone know ?

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I need to look up schizophrenic because one of them escaped and died in Waikato river or something and it’s all the cops fault because it was two days before they started searching. Cool man – you know what ? Let’s assign a cop to every looney-tunes in the country. Can’t they just gps tag the pricks ? Even if the cops got right on it they might not have found him. It’s speculative. Ok – community schizo squad. 100s of volunteers ready to run out whenever one wanders off. We’ll find him !! Again – we’re here all the time. Don’t let them out then if they’re that bloody harmful to themselves – is this really difficult or what ? How hard can it bloody be ?

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Did I really hear Dallow reading out the day before B-day; ‘we’re going to blah blah soon – what’s in the budget for you ?’. Yeah man – what’s the govt done for me lately ? That’s the spirit – what’s in it for me mate ? I don’t give a shit about the good of the country, it’s all about me – me – me, what’s Bill giving MEEEEEEEEEE !! According to TV1 news that’s the mentality of their fast food fantasizing viewers.

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general sport – good old longknives – summed up the boxing. Joe Parker – when he fights in the US or Europe against big-timers, then you know he’s really made it. That’s boxing. You’re only worth as much as the zero in the losses column. You’ll have to suffer a hell of a lot of shit before they really put the zero losses on the line. That’s boxing. At 24 – there’s no rush to burst the bubble, eh ? When will he really be tested by a worthy opponent ? That’s the question. Anyone remember Lewis-Holyfield ? Yeah – I’d think they’d both agree that was testing. And just remember – everyone’s got a game plan until they get punched in the face – hahahahaha – love it.

No-one gives a shit about tennis but whatever – Nadal is seeded four just like his first grand slam / French Open win way back in 2005. Thanks to Roger pulling out. He’s turning 30 – oh dear. Can he make ten ? Can the Djoker get his first and complete the career set ? Can someone hurry up and beat that Aussie lout Nick Religious or whatever import name it is ? Towel ! Towel ! TOOOOOWEL MOTHERF%&KER !!!!!!!!!!!

I can’t wait for the 2017 NRL season to start. No wait, that’s the Warriors – AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!
Do league players include in their weekly training how to do the little push the knee cheapshot into players’ heads on the ground as they’re trying to get up to play the ball ? What the fuck is that shit ? Tackle ball ‘part of the game and we’re ok with it’ cheap shit puts me right off league – fuckin stupid. Let’s show little Jordan all the dirty tricks for his Saturday run around. Idiots.
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May 27, 2016 4:17am
Left Right and Centre

Left Right and Centre

~~Left Right and Centre~~ Hook Line and Sinker
Ka-CHIIIIING !!
So, Griff – seen any good porn lately ?
I think as long as your surgeon knows which hip they’re meant to replace it’s all good man – hahahahaha
Don’t they use big arse seriously fat tipped outsize fuck off vivid markers and draw on patients like they’re going to cut out a dress pattern ? You know – just to be sure.
Knowledge is power Griff – but ignorance is bliss. The more you know, the more it does your head in mate, yah ?
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May 27, 2016 4:43am
Rich Prick

Trump has done it. Heads will be exploding all over the shop.
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May 27, 2016 5:00am
EAD

@ Shunda Burunda 8.03pm,

What is so “scary” about people waking up to the truth?

“The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie–deliberate, contrived and dishonest–but the myth–persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the cliches of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought” – John F Kennedy
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May 27, 2016 7:57am
stephieboy

EAD,

We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought” – JFK

Sheer mockery as it is coming from you !
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May 27, 2016 8:01am
doggone7

Happychappy @ 9:47 am

The difference now is that your levels of English would have people saying you “fell through the cracks”, you were failing, your school was failing, teachers were not good enough. Oh, and you should’ve gone to a charter school.
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May 27, 2016 8:54am
waikatogirl

TAX FREE NOW:

It’s a beautiful day, we have now all paid all our taxes for the year.

From here to the 31st of Dec all the money you earn will go into your pocket instead of straight to the govt coffers.

Congratulations all taxpayers 😉
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May 27, 2016 9:35am
Johnboy

ETERNAL LIFE
A guy is walking along a beach when he comes across a lamp partially buried in the sand. He picks up the lamp and gives it a rub. A genie appears and tells him he has been granted one wish.
The guy thinks for a moment and says, “I want to live forever.”
“Sorry,” said the genie, “I’m not allowed to grant eternal life.”
“OK, then, I want to die after Labor/Greens/Winston First get elected, balance the budget, eliminate the debt, sort the housing problem, fix education, pay everyone the living wage, resolve the infrastructure, transport and immigration problems, restore our environment, create free unlimited healthcare for all, fix climate change and sort out superannuation so oldies can live comfortably without worry.
“You crafty little bastard,” said the genie.
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May 27, 2016 2:07pm
Scott Chris

Game 5 of the western conference finals into the last quarter Thunder trailing the Warriors by 6 points. Worth a look.
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May 27, 2016 2:49pm
Scott Chris

While the popular atheist and lib-prog assault on Christianity has reached fever pitch in the west, they have failed to notice the massive growing mob of people holding far more dangerous and irrational beliefs.

Not sure that your average liberal is anti Christianity per se. It’s more the distortion and misuse of Christianity that’s the problem imo.
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