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May 23, 2016 10:17am by David Farrar

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Captain Mainwaring

Hooray, it’s here.
Over to you Penny, tell us how your court case went on Friday.
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May 23, 2016 10:18am
kowtow

“Hooray, it’s here.”

I thought you meant winter……. so much for all that global warming , we could do with a bit down here.

“One of the group says their diesel supplies are running low, as blizzard-like conditions continue to hamper rescue efforts. ”

http://www.odt.co.nz/regions/southland/384188/34-people-wait-be-rescued
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May 23, 2016 10:21am
renderer

Ironically Penny is now pushing a petition to stop the sale of Ashburton water
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May 23, 2016 10:22am
Happychappy

@Captain Mainwaring
Penny’s to busy doing interviews about Slater picked on the wrong woman and she is the first to win on one of the points in her complaint to OMSA
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May 23, 2016 10:26am
Keeping Stock

Has Penny yet posted a response from Watercare which absolves her or her partner from any responsibility for circumventing a water meter?

The whiff of hypocrisy is strong on this one.
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May 23, 2016 10:30am
G152

I thought that people who waltzed about the hills in 4 wheel drive vehicles
could save themselves being rugged individuals and all…
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May 23, 2016 10:32am
dime

man this weather sucks.

might be time to turn off the pool heater..
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May 23, 2016 10:35am
Paulus Gnome

I have noticed that all the chest beating and lament wailing for the latest offering on the altar of ‘culture’, Moko Rangitoheriri, is not being referred to as ‘whanau’

It appears that everything is now family this and family that (seen sweet fa of any of the extended family before his demise) and the word whanau is noticeably absent from red radio broadcasts and anything that I have seen on the box.

It appears to me that the ‘whanau’ does not want to own this latest slaughter of an innocent to ‘one of theirs’ (another of those catch phrases that comes out when the sentence is for maori only to mean the warm, homogenous, all-embracing stone age existence before the colonisation where all slaves were released and life expectancy began to triple but is to exclude those pesky paying whiteys who just don’t understand the ‘culture’)

A sort of racial twist on the familiar chant, privatising the positives and collectivising the negatives; thanks bro’
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May 23, 2016 10:36am
Happychappy

@Keeping Stock
Did you read Pennys statement on Scoop
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May 23, 2016 10:36am
renderer

I hope Penny’s welding skills are a vast improvement on the plumbing skill she displayed with her hose connection
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May 23, 2016 10:38am
dime

The great Nick Menza died 🙁 51. Heart Attack. Gutted. Outstanding drummer.

For the 2 or 3 metal fans here, enjoy some of his finest work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d4ui9q7eDM
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May 23, 2016 10:40am
Odakyu-sen

Paulus Gnome

Henchforth, “whanau” is only to be associated with positives; not negatives.
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May 23, 2016 10:42am
UglyTruth

Hollywood is in the grip a child sexual abuse scandal similar to that of Jimmy Savile in Britain, Lord of the Rings star Elijah Wood has claimed.

The 35-year-old former child actor said paedophiles had been protected by powerful figures in the movie business and that abuse was probably still taking place.

In an interview with the Sunday Times, Wood said he had been protected from abuse as he was growing up, but that other child actors had been regularly “preyed upon” at parties by industry figures.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/hollywood-in-the-grip-of-child-abuse-scandal-similar-to-jimmy-sa/
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May 23, 2016 10:51am
RalphT

Keeping Stock, when you said “The whiff of hypocrisy is strong on this one” you made a spelling mistake; the word hypocrisy is actually spelt “cat pee”
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May 23, 2016 10:51am
flipper

Pennydimwitch has a “partner” ???????????
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May 23, 2016 10:51am
Colville

Paulus Gnome @ 10.36

If some of the many good Maori out there would put a bit of effort into sorting out some of their shit headed lazy druggy whanau then there would be a few more Maori kids alive at the end of each year and in 10 years or so there would be a huge upswing in scholastic achievement and employment for the kids of those same lazy druggy whanau.

Hey maybe even a bit of Te Tiriti settlement money could be spent on such an aim!
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May 23, 2016 10:55am
Colville

flipper @ 10.51

Don’t think about what that entails or you will need your brain bleached!
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May 23, 2016 10:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

Went to see “The Great Maiden’s Blush” last night with some of the GGGG.
I reckon it’s the best NZ movie I’ve ever seen… and definitely one of the best movies I’ve viewed in ages.
Intelligent script, great acting and some wonderful photography…. hard to believe Wellington could look so stunning at night.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5439426/
(disclaimer… I don’t know anyone connected with this movie)
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May 23, 2016 11:00am
Northland Wahine

Colville, we’re trying.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for treaty money to assist though.
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May 23, 2016 11:01am
mikenmild

Maggy
Good to hear. It has had some good reviews. There are quite a few good NZ films that fly under the radar.
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May 23, 2016 11:02am
Linda Reid

Andrew Little could show his faith in himself and make himself number 4 or 5 on the party list – whatever number of list MPs he thinks he can get elected next year. Then if he fails – he’s out. Effectively putting his career where his mouth is.
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May 23, 2016 11:02am
RalphT

Why does GD have an ad for CatFree cat repellent. Has the smell finally got too much for our host?
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May 23, 2016 11:04am
lilman

Cold today,very cold.
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May 23, 2016 11:07am
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publicwatchdog –

A partially upheld complaint to the Online Media Standards Authority (OMSA) against Whale Oil Beef Hooked, is most definitely a ‘win’, in my view.
I’m VERY happy with the result

… This is the first time, to my knowledge, that a complaint has been upheld (albeit ‘in part’) against Whale Oil Beef Hooked, by the Online Media Standards Authority.

In summary The OMSA Committee ruled the complaint was upheld only under Standard 3, and not upheld under Standards 1, 2, 5 and 6.

Standard 1 is accuracy, 2 is balance, 5 responsible content and 6 regards discrimination.

In other words Camerom Slater’s item was accurate, balanced, responsible and did not discriminate.

Standard 3, upheld, relates to fairness. In this case, that Penny Bright was not offered the opportunity to comment as part of the item.

Outcome: Upheld, in part
or OMSA REJECTS 4 OUT OF 5 COMPLAINTS FROM PENNY BRIGHT – WhaleOil

Of course one can immediately ask, “How often does Penny Bright offer that same opportunity, “fairness”, to those who her comments tend to smear?”

Fairness in “right of reply” would also seem to partially rest with Penny Bright’s ignorance of her status at WhaleOIl, as she claims time to time on kiwiblog to be banned by Cameron Slater.

“Penny Bright has always had a right of reply, she just refuses to avail herself of that right of reply. She prefers grandstanding and complaining.” – Cameron Slater.

So she could have refuted what she considered to be untrue comments, had she chose to. For most people involved in a blog, that is fairness.
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May 23, 2016 11:18am
Odakyu-sen

Every year, I forget how wet and miserable the Auckland winters are.

If I had the money, I would winter over in Australia or Japan like some migratory bird.

On the other hand, one must take the bad with the good. The coming of spring is something that I look forward to. In a couple of months the daffodils will be poking through the wet earth, and warmer weather will be on its way.
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May 23, 2016 11:19am
Keeping Stock

@ Happychappy – I’ve just read that Scoop presser. It seems that Ms Bright is making the same allegation against WO that she made against me, i.e. that he is being paid to spy on her.

Ms Bright is somewhat paranoid if she thinks anyone would pay people to write bad things about her. As I’ve said myself, I hold her to account for her actions entirely of my own volition and without any payment whatsoever. I consider pointing out her hypocrisy a public service, especially when she wants to lead an organisation I pay rates to.
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May 23, 2016 11:27am
stephieboy

Odakyu-sen , I take it snows in Auckland wintertime ?

My pick would be to winter over in Queensland say Port Douglas .
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May 23, 2016 11:40am
Griff

Auckland is bloody freezing all right.
High today paltry 16C with a ball freezing 12C tonight.
Back up to 20C tomorrow .
lets put that in perspective Queenstown high 9C with -2C Tonight and nothing over 10C all week.
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May 23, 2016 11:41am
Chuck Bird

The givealttle fund for Blessie is still going up.

If it can be demonstrated that corrections acted negligently at least to the public there could well be an gratia payment made and even an apology made.

It is about time changes were made to ACC so people can sue – perhaps with limits.

When ACC began it was claimed that other countries would soon adopt it. No have.
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May 23, 2016 11:58am
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

Every year, I forget how wet and miserable the Auckland winters are.

All the seasons in Auckland suck, or are susceptible to relatively high rainfall, except the Autumns, which are outstanding – usually lots of clear blue skies, but a nice gentle cooling sou’ wester to provide welcome relief after the hot and sticky summers. But much of winter is interspersed with clear days – and even though you are constantly craning your neck in the direction of the Waitakeres to look for incoming clouds, the stronger winter sou wester pushed them through fast.
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May 23, 2016 12:05pm
Captain Mainwaring

From Stuff:

“Labour is planning to announce tax increases before the next election to help fund its spending plans but will leave the detailed work until it is in government.”

This looks like a sure-fire election winner. Thanks numpties, another 3 years of National (or 6, or 9).
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May 23, 2016 12:05pm
Kimbo

@ Griff

High today paltry 16C with a ball freezing 12C tonight.
Back up to 20C tomorrow .

He he he. I remember going to primary school in Southland, and we thought 9 degrees was “warm…well, maybe not that warm”. Weren’t allowed to wear long pants to school either.

And yoou try and tell yoong people t’day, and they woon’t believe ye!
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May 23, 2016 12:07pm
stephieboy

Chuck Bird , ACC introduced the “no fault “principle mainly because the old tort based actions were very hit or miss . This meant that a plaintiff could potentially miss out on everything including having to pay court costs if the decision did not go their way . A legal bill on top of that . If the decision did go favourably then it was the plaintiff’s lawyer who really benefited with a big slice of the payout .

Actually the Workers Compensation legalisation prior to ACC did have in effect a no fault principle.
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May 23, 2016 12:10pm
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Keeping Stock

I wonder if Penny Bright, in her “press release” called “Cameron Slater (WhaleOil) picked on the wrong woman”, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1605/S00267/cameron-slater-whaleoil-picked-on-the-wrong-woman.htm
in accusing Cameron Slater of being paid to smear her, actually prior to this “release” being published online by Scoop, gave Cameron Slater the right of reply to her item?

“Fairness”, or right of reply, is a standard promoted by Online Media Standards Authority (OMSA) and is the only standard on which OMSA upheld Bright’s complaint, another four complaints having been dismissed.
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May 23, 2016 12:13pm
Kimbo

@ Chuck Bird

If it can be demonstrated that corrections acted negligently at least to the public there could well be an gratia payment made and even an apology made.

But from what has been revealed so far, I don’t think it can. I feel for Mr Gotingco, and understand why he and those who are contributing want to do this but it seems to me Corrections was following Government policy of seeking to assist in the reintegration of a convicted criminal back into the community. If that is the wrong policy – and it may well be, as there is always an inherent risk in trying to do so – then it is not Corrections fault from what I can tell. Instead, Mt Gotincgo’s real grievance is that we do not lock up violent offenders and throw away the key for the first strike.

I don’t want to live in a country where the government tries to eliminate every risk – the result would be a fascist state. But life with no chance of parole for first time violent offenders…maybe
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May 23, 2016 12:15pm
Chuck Bird

@stephieboy

All legislation is a compromise. There are pluses and minuses. If no fault or responsibility was so good other countries would adopt it.
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May 23, 2016 12:16pm
Hugh Pavletich

EDITORIAL: LABOURS BOND PROPOSAL MAKES SENSE … NEW ZEALAND HERALD

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/05/auckland-council-fails-basic-land-supply-economics/

AN HISTORIC WEEK IN NEW ZEALAND POLITICS …

Editorial: Labour’s bond proposal makes sense – Business – NZ Herald News

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11643010

The Labour Party surprised many people last week, and dismayed some of its own supporters, by advocating the complete abolition of boundaries on urban expansion.

Its housing spokesman, Phil Twyford, endorsed the Government’s view that boundaries imposed by the Auckland Council have been a major contributor to the escalation of house prices. His announcement was timed to get in ahead of an urban development directive to councils expected from the Government soon, possibly in the Budget on Thursday. But Labour’s proposal goes further than Mr Twyford believes the Government’s national policy statement is likely to go. … read more via hyperlink above …

… A road to Damascus experience for Bernard Hickey … at last …

Bernard Hickey: Let them build, using bonds – Business – NZ Herald News

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11642655

The flurry of news this week about Labour (what about The Greens too … see below) calling for the abolishment of Auckland’s rural-urban boundary buried a potentially more important idea that could eventually do more to solve the housing crisis than rubbing out any lines on a map.

Labour’s housing spokesman Phil Twyford proposed Auckland be encouraged and allowed to start issuing infrastructure bonds to pay for the roads, pipes, street lights and footpaths to go with these new housing developments a boundary-free Auckland could generate.

If the council issued these bonds and tied them to rates targeted to the residents of these developments it could kill a couple of birds with one stone. … read more via hyperlink above …

… as made clear within the WELCOME page of PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING … http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/index.html …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/welcome-story.html

… at the bottom left corner of the above archival website, further information with respect to the leading bond financing system, the TEXAS MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT (MUD) …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/files/MUD-Summary.pdf

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/files/MUDInfrastructureFinancingSystem.pdf

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/files/MunicipalUtilityDistricts.pdf

It appears Mr Hickey ‘forgot’ to mention the NEW ZEALAND LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUNDING AGENCY …

http://www.lgfa.co.nz/

The United States Municipal Bond Market is massive … about $US3.7 trillion.

Why these bond financing systems have not been in place in Australia and New Zealand years ago … indeed decades ago … is a complete mystery.

Bond financing MUD’s are a NO BRAINER.
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May 23, 2016 12:16pm
Chuck Bird

@Kimbo

Do you believe that some people are pure evil and dangerous and should never be allowed out of jail?
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May 23, 2016 12:19pm
Rich Prick

Last December around 70 red badges were withdrawn from staff at Charles de Gaulle who were found to have praised the attacks in Paris, prayed at mosques linked to radicalism or showing signs of growing religiosity like refusing to shake hands with women.

French police said Arabic graffiti such as “Allahu Akbar” (God is great) were found daubed on EasyJet and Vueling planes at Charles de Gaulle

Now that’s a real worry. Passenger screening is a bit of a farce if that’s what’s been going on with airside staff.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/egyptair-crash-smoke-detected-inside-the-aircraft-cabin-as-sea/
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May 23, 2016 12:21pm
Odakyu-sen

stephieboy @ 11:40

“Odakyu-sen , I take it snows in Auckland wintertime ?”

Stephieboy, I thought you lived in Auckland? (Or are you based in a tropical, far-off land…?)
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May 23, 2016 12:25pm
Kimbo

@ Chuck Bird

Do you believe that some people are pure evil and dangerous and should never be allowed out of jail?

Absolutely!

And, with the wisdom of hindsight, Tony Robertson is one of ’em. But

1. under the current system, and

2. as some previously violent/dangerous criminals do integrate back into the community, and

3. as no assessment of psychological fitness and rehabilitation can be foolproof

…then other than if the Department of Corrections ignored some way to predict Tony Robertson’s future actions with 100% accuracy, they were not negligent. A crap answer for Mr Gotingco working through his grief, and sadly it will not bring his wife back, but that is how it is.
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May 23, 2016 12:25pm
Griff

Yip kimbo I started my schooling in CHCH.
Barefoot busting the ice puddles on the way to school …….
The reason people think it is cold is we have had such a warm autumn so far.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/nz/auckland/252066/may-weather/252066?monyr=5/1/2016&view=table&lang=en-gb
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May 23, 2016 12:27pm
jcuk

Yes I too wore shorts through the winter snows of Mansfield, Notts, though fellows asked me if they were long shorts or short longs …. my guardian made them during WWII when you needed coupons to buy clothing …. as they were rather longer than most wore 🙂
But of course if it is cold it is just the extremes of global warming as foretold.
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May 23, 2016 12:34pm
stephieboy

Chuck Bird, I don’ think it is relevant whether other countries have adopted it or not. The facts are it works for us and nobody here as far as I’m aware are itching to go back to the tort fault system .
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May 23, 2016 12:42pm
Chuck Bird

“nobody here as far as I’m aware are itching to go back to the tort fault system ”

I am and I do not consider myself a nobody.
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May 23, 2016 12:48pm
Komata

Re Stephieboy’s comment: ‘Actually the Workers Compensation legalisation prior to ACC did have in effect a no fault principle’.

FWIW: Prior to th introduction of ACC, payment for injuries sustained at work were made via a group of insurance companies, operating under government aegis. Injured employees could either accept a government-set (‘standardised’) payment (as stephieboy has pointed out already), OR, if they felt they had a strong-enough case and could prove deliberate negligence, take their employer to court to try and get an increased weekly amount or even a lump sum settlement (always the more desirable of the two options) by doing-so. Such a process could be very, very messy, and expensive, with the plaintiff trying to get more and the defending employer trying to pay as little as possible. Where more was able to be obtained OR a Lump Sum Settlement was to be paid (‘In full and final acceptance for responsibility in the situation under review’), the money was never actually paid out ‘en masse’ to the plaintiff (as that could, perhaps, lead to penury in later life; not a desired outcome) but was rather paid on the basis of the claimant’s likely working life until they reached retirement age (at the stage 60 years of age). All payments were made through the insurance companies. The result was that the ‘injured’ individual had to make weekly/ fortnightly pilgrimages to the designated insurance company that was paying them, fill out the necessary receipts and be given the agreed-to monies. For some, this could be quite humiliating. To complicate matters as time passed, what was originally a very large amount gradually decline IN VALUE over time, a situation that could, in some instances, actually create conditions of hardship for the recipient. The insurance company staff. although only the ones handling the money could, in such situations, receive excessive and unnecessary amounts of abuse. It wasn’t their fault of course; they were merely the ‘messengers’.

ACC (which BTW was a world leader in its ‘no responsibility/ no blame’ concept) was far, far better, as it ‘centralised’ payments and removed the need for the Court cases previously referred-to. The Insurance co. staff appreciated the change immensely.

As I said, FWIW. .
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May 23, 2016 12:53pm
Chuck Bird

“then other than if the Department of Corrections ignored some way to predict Tony Robertson’s future actions with 100% accuracy”

They knew his changes of re-offending they could have done a number of things to reduce the changes of him re-offending and also minimize the severity by not allowing him a car.

I know their are some people who would like all violent criminals or sexual offenders locked up for life. I am not one as it is not practical. Robertson is one or the one percenters – pure evil. This was foreseeable and not wisdom in hindsight.
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May 23, 2016 12:55pm
waikatosinger

Did you know we had a crime of Blasphemous libel in New Zealand?

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM329036.html?search=qs_act%40bill%40regulation%40deemedreg_blasphemous_resel_25_h&p=1

Perhaps one of the national MPs currently lacking a members bill in the ballot would like to put forward a bill to abolish it.
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May 23, 2016 1:15pm
UglyTruth

Perhaps one of the national MPs currently lacking a members bill in the ballot would like to put forward a bill to abolish it.

Abolishing it would have no effect, it’s a common law tort.
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May 23, 2016 1:24pm
Dennis Horne

My recollection is Robertson kidnapped a young girl and a smart policeman found them at a waterfall before — it was believed — she was harmed.

The correct sentence for this crime is execution. If we are too soft to do it ourselves, sent the job to China. That’s where all the other hard jobs have gone.
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May 23, 2016 1:25pm
howitis

Mmmm. So Dean Lonergan thinks that people showing live sport via a free viewing on Facebook is wrong.
The people are freeloading.
Let’s explore:

Lonergan used to work in Radio Hauraki 20 years ago in the mid 90s. He started with sports news and ended up talking over the top of everyone else. The show collapsed. ( I used to listen to it and witnessed this collapse by thuggery ) The incumbents were called the Morning Pirates. This was because Hauraki pioneered ‘pirate radio’ when the old fashioned incumbent (government stations 1960s) were against new fangled ways.
So it was OK for Lonergan to work for (and be paid) to work with pirates but cry like a 20 stone girl when others pirate his stuff. Boo bloody hoo.

Lonergan also apparently said people can watch it for free by going to the pub.
Huh. He suggests that people wander into premises where the landlord has paid the fight fee and provided premises, TV, table, chairs etc at a cost to the landlord but not buy food or drink while using the private premises.
How is this much different from someone putting a camera on the TV and pointing it to Facebook?

The fact they did not allow streaming in any form was its failure and that is what Lonergan and SkyTV need to visit.
They did not provide streaming and someone else did. Boo hoo. Build a bridge etc.
We know the attitude that Sky has: can’t hold their audience with current content so they charge remaining customers more. More genius shamelessly copied from NZ Post. These are last century’s buggy whip manufacturers.
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May 23, 2016 1:31pm
Kimbo

@ Komata

ACC (which BTW was a world leader in its ‘no responsibility/ no blame’ concept) was far, far better, as it ‘centralised’ payments and removed the need for the Court cases previously referred-to. The Insurance co. staff appreciated the change immensely.

Hmm. But ACC seems the elephant in the room when it comes to our higher incidence of work p-lace deaths and injuries compared to, say, Australia. Or at least that is what those with experience of work-place insurance in both countries advice me.
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May 23, 2016 1:32pm
Keeping Stock

The fact they did not allow streaming in any form was its failure and that is what Lonergan and SkyTV need to visit.
They did not provide streaming and someone else did. Boo hoo. Build a bridge etc.

“Someone else” did not really provide streaming howitis. “Someone else” paid for the Sky feed, then filmed their television set and broadcast that via Facebook. And that is theft, whichever way you look at it.
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May 23, 2016 1:37pm
stephieboy

Kimbo, I would like to see more data to establish if there is in fact a correlation between ” no fault ” and Australia’s “Tort” fault system or especially the US and work place deaths and injuries. I just can’t see e.g a forest or timber mill workers playing dice with their lives just because we have the no fault principle .

I don’t think it works like that at all in practice .
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May 23, 2016 1:41pm
Kimbo

@ Chuck Bird

“then other than if the Department of Corrections ignored some way to predict Tony Robertson’s future actions with 100% accuracy”

They knew his changes of re-offending they could have done a number of things to reduce the changes of him re-offending and also minimize the severity by not allowing him a car.

1. He still could have killed without a car.

2. The argument was that the car allowed him to attend rehab sessions. It is an argument with merit in some cases, especially in a city like Auckland. Plus public transport could have widened his scope of potential victims.

I know their are some people who would like all violent criminals or sexual offenders locked up for life. I am not one as it is not practical. Robertson is one or the one percenters – pure evil. This was foreseeable and not wisdom in hindsight.

Why? Other than his first crime was bloody awful and that he would remain a possible/likely high risk? But, how, other than sentencing him to preventative detention for that crime, was it possible to stop him reintegrating into the community at some later point? As that wasn’t done, and Corrections had to manage the risk as best they could when he was released, how were they negligent?
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May 23, 2016 1:41pm
wikiriwhis business

‘When Te Puea marae threw open their doors to the homeless earlier this week, they showed up the Government for its woefully inadequate response to the housing crisis.

If marae have the basic human decency to open their doors to the dispossessed and to send out the haere mai that “everyone is welcome regardless of colour”, so too should the Government. The army should be ordered to erect temporary tent cities to show the Government is serious about all New Zealanders, not just the protection of ponied-up ones riding high on the hog of speculative real estate.’

Jane Bowron: Property speculation is the only job that matters
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/80255961/jane-bowron-property-speculation-is-the-only-job-that-matters

All the mercenary right really cares about. None protesting against child abuse
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May 23, 2016 1:42pm
wikiriwhis business

Even paid up National Party member Paul Henry calls homelessness the Achilles heel of the Nat govt.
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May 23, 2016 1:43pm
wikiriwhis business

“If I had the money, I would winter over in Australia or Japan like some migratory bird. ”

But can you holiday in these places for three months. Oz is getting less and less tolerant of us
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May 23, 2016 1:46pm
stephieboy

The light of progressivism and liberalism burns ever so brightly over Honolulu ,

“Jail over lesbian kiss hasn’t put woman off Honolulu”

“One of two women arrested for kissing in a Honolulu grocery store plans to stay on the island despite her ordeal.
Honolulu agreed to pay US$80,000 at the weekend to settle a lawsuit from the women.

Details of the settlement were announced at the weekend in federal court in Honolulu. It’s still subject to City Council approval. The council is expected to consider the settlement at a July 6 meeting, said Honolulu Deputy Corporation Counsel Nicolette Winter.

“The Department of the Corporation Counsel believes that the tentative settlement is in the best interests of the city,” Corporation Counsel Donna Leong said.

Courtney Wilson and Taylor Guerrero were visiting Hawaii from Los Angeles last year when, according to the their lawsuit, they were harassed and arrested because the officer didn’t like their public displays of affection in a Foodland store on Oahu’s North Shore…”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11643305
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May 23, 2016 1:51pm
blazeoflight

Sadly, I can’t find the tweet with the pic of one of those brainless Mike Hosking billboards (Parnell, I think) tagged with:

EVIL CUNT

I give you the artist as genius.
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May 23, 2016 2:07pm
Chuck Bird

“1. He still could have killed without a car.”

That is like saying someone still could have killed without a gun. Rehab sessions are a total waste of time on evil people like Robertson. He probably would have re-offended without a car but it would have less likely to have been fatal.

You ask why Robertson was was pure evil other than his first crime. Have you not read of his behaviour in jail and his psych reports? He was a ticking time bomb. The car is one issue – not notifying the neighborhood was another. The theory is that would have made him feel more isolated and likely to offend. I do not agree with that but I have a degree of common sense not one in psychobabble.
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May 23, 2016 2:08pm
mikenmild

Having browse through the general auction boxes at Dunabar Sloane today. Saw a box of old place mats and napkin next to a box of V I Lenin’s collected works. The catalogue read:
133 Box of linen
134 Box of Lenin
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May 23, 2016 2:22pm
Kimbo

@ Chuck Bird

You ask why Robertson was was pure evil other than his first crime. Have you not read of his behaviour in jail and his psych reports? He was a ticking time bomb.

So are arguably lots of violent offenders who have to be released once their sentences end.

…not notifying the neighborhood…

Um, if any violent offender is released for reintegration, then notifying the neighbourhood is counter-productive. Again, the solution to avoid that problem is lock all violent offenders up and throw away the key. But if you don’t, then every prisoner you release is a risk.

The theory is that would have made him feel more isolated and likely to offend. I do not agree with that but I have a degree of common sense not one in psychobabble.

So I return to your point – common sense says he should never have been let out. And I agree. In which case, why does our law allow it…and why, if he was let out, is Corrections negligent when he reoffends. They are having to manage potential chaos with every former crim. And there are likely plenty of Tony Robertsons.

Sorry, Chuck Bird, your “common sense” may be accurate, but your reasoning is circular.
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May 23, 2016 2:22pm
Don the Kiwi

Wonderful Billary.

The New York Times’ front-page article last Saturday on Donald J. Trump’s dealings with women forced me into a weekend of self-examination. As much as I support Trump, this isn’t a cult of personality. He’s not Mao, Kim Jong-un or L. Ron Hubbard. We can like our candidates, but still acknowledge their flaws. No one’s perfect.

I admit there are some things about Trump that give me pause. I’m sure these will come out eventually, so I’m just going to list them.

First — and this is corroborated by five contemporaneous witnesses — in 1978, Trump violently raped Juanita Broaddrick in a Little Rock, Arkansas, hotel room, then, as he was leaving, looked at her bloody lip and said, “Better put some ice on that” — oh wait, I’m terribly sorry. Did I say Trump? I didn’t mean Trump, I meant Bill Clinton.

Hang on — here we go! Knowing full well about Bill Clinton’s proclivity to sexually assault women, about three weeks after that rape, Trump cornered Broaddrick at a party and said, pointedly, “I just want you to know how much Bill and I appreciate the things you do for him. Do you understand? Everything you do.”

No! My mistake! That wasn’t Trump either. That was Hillary Clinton. … But this next one I’m sure was Trump.

In the early 1990s, Trump invited a young female staffer to his hotel room at the Excelsior Hotel in Little Rock, dropped his pants and said, “Kiss it” — WAIT A SECOND!

I don’t know how this keeps happening. That was Bill Clinton. Please bear with me — it’s late at night and my notes are jumbled.

As CEO of an organization, Trump had a female employee, just months out of her teens, perform oral sex on him while he made business calls. That girl’s name was Monica Lewin– No! Wrong again! That was Bill Clinton, too! Please don’t stop reading. Let me find my Trump notes …

What I meant was that Trump was the one who later smeared that girl as a delusional stalker. She may have volunteered for the sex — at around age 20 — but Monica Lewinsky didn’t volunteer to be slandered! And yet this fiend, this user-of-women, this retrograde misogynist, Donald Trump, deployed his journalist friends, like Sidney Blumenthal, to spread rumors that Monica was a stalker, trying to blackmail the president.

Oh, boy — this is embarrassing. This must seem very sloppy. That wasn’t Trump either; it was Hillary Clinton.

There must be something here that was Trump … Here! I have one.

When an attractive woman desperately in need of a job came to Trump’s office in 1993, instead of helping, he lunged at her, kissed her on the mouth, grabbed her breast and put her hand on his genitals. He later told a mistress that the claim was absurd because the woman, Kathleen Willey, had such small breasts.

Uh-oh — you’re not going to believe this, but — yep, that was Bill Clinton.

This one, I’m sure was Trump. In January 1992, Trump went on “60 Minutes” to slime nightclub singer Gennifer Flowers, knowing full well she was telling the truth. He implied she belonged in a loony bin, telling millions of viewers “every time she called, distraught … she said sort of wacky things.”

Dammit! I don’t know how this keeps happening. That wasn’t Trump! That was Hillary, smearing one of her husband’s sexual conquests.

Let’s just go back to the Times’ story, based on months of investigation and interviews with hundreds of women. I’ll give it to you straight: When Trump was at the New York Military Academy as a teenager, one person who knew him said — and this is corroborated by two other witnesses: “Donald was extremely sensitive to whether or not the women he invited to campus were pretty.”

I almost threw up reading that. I am physically ill

Column by Ann Coulter. 🙂
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May 23, 2016 2:23pm
Shunda barunda

The light of progressivism and liberalism burns ever so brightly over Honolulu ,

“Jail over lesbian kiss hasn’t put woman off Honolulu”

“One of two women arrested for kissing in a Honolulu grocery store plans to stay on the island despite her ordeal.

No, the arrest was because she assaulted a police officer.

So two lesbians go into a grocery store and decide that is a good location to show everyone in there how “progressive” they are by repeatedly sticking their tongues down each others throat.
An officer tells them to “take it elsewhere” then they take their chance to make a real scene, they keep tonguing each other around the store, next minute one of them assaults a cop.
Liberal media reports it as “going to jail for a kiss”.

Sorry Stephieboy, but the facts of the matter just reveal yet another case of lib-progs drawing attention to themselves.
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May 23, 2016 2:27pm
Happychappy

You watch Labour ,Greens and the Maori Party go ape shit if a Northland Property Manager gets a MP to put up a bill to have any P users that contaminate rental properties their names put on a register so other property owners can get before letting their houses.
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May 23, 2016 2:47pm
stephieboy

Shunda barunda, obviously you have more information than the report I linked . Could you provide it that shows it was more a deep throated French kiss ?

Of course the ability of lesos to hold hands , kiss or smooch in public is becoming more common and acceptable here in Auckland . I would say rather more difficult to take in a remote rural pub or the kind of gated “Glorivale ” community that you might choose to live in .
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May 23, 2016 2:51pm
Happychappy

Latest Roy Morgan poll out National up 3.5 to 45.5 Labour up to 29.5
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May 23, 2016 2:55pm
starboard

As the man says, Nationals rhetoric doesn’t add up.

This government is getting smellier and smellier.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80281584/kiwis-will-have-paid-off-their-collective-notional-tax-bill-on-thursday-says-lobby-group

“Despite the election of a National-led government in 2008, the burden of government is still higher now than it was under Helen Clark. During the period of the last Labour government the size of government never rose above 40 per cent of the economy,”

Starting to lose interest in them real fast.
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May 23, 2016 2:55pm
stephieboy

starboard , apart from you usual flaky rhetoric what would actually propose to do that the voter would buy into ?
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May 23, 2016 3:00pm
Griff

Next minute the cop starts man handling a couple of chicks chucking his weight around.
When the woman defend themselves the cop arrests them.
The cop was in the wrong and used his position to enforce his views of morality not the law.
like the sharia police.
Why am I not surprised that Conservative Christians find this acceptable ?
Because there is little difference between the two.
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May 23, 2016 3:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“Dietary guidelines promoting low fat foods were perhaps the biggest mistake in modern medical history.”

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/22/official-advice-to-eat-low-fat-diet-is-wrong-says-health-charity
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May 23, 2016 3:13pm
starboard

“Cold today,very cold.”

Welcome to Phuket where its a balmy 31 deg today..infact everyday lol ..beautiful
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May 23, 2016 3:13pm
starboard

Stephiedrone..if you want to speak with moi, the least you could do is sort your grammar out..it really is appalling. Maybe loosen off the burka or take that ridiculous towel off your head..you are in New Zealand now not Mogadishu.
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May 23, 2016 3:18pm
stephieboy

Starboard , Ok shall I try this,

What would you propose as an alternative to the Key Government that would be acceptable to the voter ?

Mogadishu ? Were you the on claiming that your brain is an improvement on those that dwell there and in Somalia ?

How ?
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May 23, 2016 3:23pm
Shunda barunda

Of course the ability of lesos to hold hands , kiss or smooch in public is becoming more common and acceptable here in Auckland

Congratulations.

. I would say rather more difficult to take in a remote rural pub or the kind of gated “Glorivale ” community that you might choose to live in .

Actually, the West Coast is one of the most non religious provinces in NZ going by the last census.

And personally, I don’t find it “difficult” at all, I view it more as a “get a room” situation like the police officer did.

People that feel the need to make a huge scene of their affection for a casual sexual partner in a supermarket are attention seekers that actually have no respect for themselves or anyone else in the general vicinity.

That is why a lot of people instinctively react to such displays in a negative way.
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May 23, 2016 3:23pm
starboard

Dont think the governments going to be able to ignore this one..there’s a lot of anger out there around our useless justice system.

$125000 and climbing

http://givealittle.co.nz/cause/justiceforblessie
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May 23, 2016 3:25pm
blazeoflight

Proof that the white man is the superior race:

https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/734500349239828481
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May 23, 2016 3:27pm
starboard

Not good enough Stephiebot..now go away and play with some explosives.
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May 23, 2016 3:29pm
blazeoflight

@Starboard 3:18

You forgot to remind SB to tug his forelock before daring to address you.
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May 23, 2016 3:38pm
Nostradamus

Stephieboy:

Of course the ability of lesos to hold hands , kiss or smooch in public is becoming more common and acceptable here in Auckland

If you’re feeling progressive, Stephieboy, then post your address details and the Kiwiblog community will make the necessary arrangements for a post-op transgender woman to give you a deep-throated kiss. Or would you prefer to kiss a post-op transgender man?
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May 23, 2016 3:38pm
starboard

“If I had the money, I would winter over in Australia or Japan like some migratory bird. ”

Here is an example for you..Thailand, Karon Beach Phuket.

You can get a return ticket on Jetstar Auckland to Phuket return with carry on luggage for around $700 economy. Malaysian have a special out right now 800 bucks return. Living costs including beer, food and condo for a day $50 NZ, and that is living pretty well.

So 20 days here including airfare , condo and food $1700 for one. Even if you splash out, make it $2000 in total its pretty good value for money..and its h-o-t..
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May 23, 2016 3:41pm
Griff

Now now nostra have you seen what the two chicks look like ?
I would be egging them on rather than getting all offended.
Most red blooded males would… free girl on girl floor show.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lesbian-couple-arrested-after-kissing-in-hawaii-grocery-store_us_5631369ee4b0c66bae5ad2c2
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May 23, 2016 3:43pm
Shunda barunda

Most red blooded males would… free girl on girl floor show.

In the supermarket in front of your kids and grandmother Griff?
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May 23, 2016 3:46pm
Griff

Gee shunda it was a joke.
Kissing ffs.
Gee its so filthy dirty disgusting.
like turn on telly and there it is on prime time TV.
Assaulting woman because you dont like their behavior is far more of an issue to me than two people kissing in public.
The police are supposed to uphold the law in this case the cop went totally over the top in illegally assaulting two woman.
Such behavior is not justified by your views on morality.
Sharia law enforced by Muslims is abhorrent so is the same behavior from Christians.
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May 23, 2016 3:56pm
Shunda barunda

The police are supposed to uphold the law in this case the cop went totally over the top in illegally assaulting two woman.

Then why wasn’t he charged or reprimanded?

“Such behavior is not justified by your views on morality.
Sharia law enforced by Muslims is abhorrent so is the same behavior from Christians.’

Actually, my “morality” is against police brutality, over reach of authority and the manipulation of society by those with an ideologically driven agenda.

Which is why I respect decent police officers that value the communities that they serve in.
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May 23, 2016 4:16pm
nasska

The prudery of the religious retards on this forum beggars belief. A couple of chicks sharing a kiss in a supermarket & the Godaddled crazies applaud their version of Judge Dredd from Mecca-City One & the Sharia cubes.

A kiss! Wake me up when they start carpet munching on top of the baked beans display!
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May 23, 2016 4:20pm
Griff

Same reason why lots of cops get away with shit shundra .
The old boy network.
The cop has resigned A’K’A falling on his sword.
Your language gives you away
You support your version of sharia enforcing your morals on every one.
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May 23, 2016 4:32pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Wake me up when they start carpet munching on top of the baked beans display

Where’s your sense of imagination and voyeuristic adventure? If you’re into kinky fantasies, then nothing less than a full-on pash in the baking aisle (with various food colourings, rolling pins and chocolate buttons) will do!
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May 23, 2016 4:37pm
Shunda barunda

You support your version of sharia enforcing your morals on every one.

Sorry Griff, but all I see is a bunch of lib-progs like you forcing your morality and redefinition’s on everyone else.

And writing it into law to boot.
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May 23, 2016 4:38pm
Captain Mainwaring

From Stuff:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/80292746/haast-to-hollyford-highway-should-go-ahead-public-meeting-attendees-say

This is an absolute no-brainer. Go to Milford on the way to somewhere else and take a lot of pressure off Queenstown. Makes much more sense than that ridiculous boat/bus/monorail/bus thing that some dreamer was proposing a couple of years ago and which Nick Smith had the good sense to can.
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May 23, 2016 4:44pm
nasska

….”nothing less than a full-on pash in the baking aisle (with various food colourings, rolling pins and chocolate buttons) will do!”….

I’ve always found that standing in the supermarket aisle looking thoughtfully at a cucumber in one hand with a tube of KY in the other provokes the desired reactions in the community morality police Nostra. 🙂
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May 23, 2016 4:46pm
mikenmild

If the cucumber looked a little like the Virgin Mary, the effect would be even more intense, nasska.
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May 23, 2016 4:49pm
mikenmild

Here’s a laugh, change the name of Blenheim to Marlborough City.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/nz/80269181/should-blenheim-be-renamed-marlborough-city-as-nod-to-wine-industry
Why not Sauvignon Blanc City?
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May 23, 2016 4:53pm
Gulag1917

LOCAL MEMBERS MAKE TURNBULL BACKERS PAY
Fiona Scott is now too scared to admit she voted for Malcolm Turnbull against Tony Abbott for the Liberal leadership and resultant Prime Ministership, as local Liberal party members make her pay. She is not the only Liberal member to cop it. Members who served as volunteers and even booth captains in past Liberal campaigns in Eden-Monaro have downed tools – and even volunteered for Labor – rather than help re-elect Peter Hendy after his betrayal of Tony Abbott. Hendy is now in seriously danger of losing the seat.
ABC’s 7.30 reported the plight of Fiona Scott: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4458944.htm
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May 23, 2016 4:54pm
Odakyu-sen

Starboard,

I haven’t been to Thailand for over 20 years. Loved the food. I have never been able to enjoy any Thai restaurant food outside of Thailand ever since. You have to have it in Thailand.

Back in the late 80s, Bangkok was a teeming, modernizing city. I can’t imagine how busier it would be today.

Maybe I’ll check out Vietnam.
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May 23, 2016 5:12pm
Longknives

Dime- Shock about Menza, will crack a beer and listen to Symphony of Destruction in honour..
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May 23, 2016 5:14pm
stephieboy

Shunda barunda , this is 23/5/2016 .Not 23/5/ 1816 !

Compre ?
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May 23, 2016 5:42pm
Nostradamus

Catriona MacLennan: Animal welfare commissioner needed

The Government should also be proactive and appoint an independent Commissioner for Animal Welfare. The commissioner would take over responsibility for the monitoring and enforcement of animal welfare from MPI. Adequate resources would need to be provided to ensure the commissioner could properly protect animal welfare. This would mean not only prosecuting animal cruelty and neglect, but also proactive and comprehensive monitoring of animal welfare.

Oh well. I suppose we should appoint a Commissioner for Trees while we’re at it. And let’s have a Commissioner for Commissioners, too, so we can keep track of all of them.
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May 23, 2016 6:05pm
dad4justice

Maybe we should have a Commissioner of PC socialism as the bureaucratic inertia started by Klarkula is flourishing thanks to John Boy and smirky Bill. What’s our overseas debt?
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