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Komata

‘Fifth Columnists’ come in all sizes, shapes and varieties. Some even wear suits.

Some here will appreciate the analogy…
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May 21, 2016 1:33pm
DifferentPerspective

lol Stephie

Oh yes! Because jihadists would be flying the ISIS flag and they’d have pipe bombs in their front rooms along with AK47s by the front door. Facile view on a complex situation.

The whole point is that the muslim problem is one of a form of covert insurgency. And being … well…. covert … well you can’t see which are the bad guys/girls/LGBT/curious ones are because the muslim community don’t ‘out’ them (ahhh is that why the Left supports the ugliest of religious creeds – because they don’t “OUT” the terrorists?

Anyway as I said – facile suggestion from Khan. Just an empty meaningless soundbite to give loons on the left something to go ‘Naah naaa na na!’ about.
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May 21, 2016 1:36pm
Reid

The social engineering is working.

Only 2% of Young UK Men Aged 18-24, Define Themselves as Masculine

A new YouGov poll in the UK has found young British men are scared to identify themselves as “masculine”.

With gender identity being the new liberal media “in” meme, younger generations of British men are getting confused, and don’t see themselves as completely masculine or feminine, but as something in between. For UK men, ‘masculinity’ is now seen as a negative word.

According to a new YouGov poll, only 2% of young Britons aged between 18 and 24 considered themselves to be completely masculine, with 42% of men saying the word “masculinity” gave them a negative impression.

Suicide is now the biggest killer of men under 50 in the UK, and one take away from this poll is that as you take away men’s natural, evolutionary code to identify as masculine creatures, you take away their sense of self. Just more liberal values in action…

Girly men like stephie and mm are thrilled. Now everyone’s like them…

http://theduran.com/2-young-uk-men-aged-18-24-define-masculine/
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May 21, 2016 1:52pm
Reid

The social engineering is working: England bans its own flag to avoid offending immigrants.

https://youtu.be/mTlr0707vLU
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May 21, 2016 2:06pm
Reid

And more questions to Clooney about refugees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=571cc07e-0000-2af8-9f2e-001a1148aa0c&feature=iv&src_vid=mTlr0707vLU&v=sa8jOoL0LoE
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May 21, 2016 2:14pm
kowtow

“Maybe one of the resident conspiracy nutters here could explain ,just exactly why a passenger on MH370 would take a pic of the inside of his anus?”

Having tucked his head firmly between his knees ,assuming the crash position, perhaps he thought taking a photo of it was the better option to kissing it goodbye?
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May 21, 2016 2:22pm
Hair Removal Specialist

Just wondering if anyone else has seen this regarding “El Chapo” the Mexican “Drug Lord” and his extradition to the U.S.:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11642506

And in particular, the excerpt: “Guzman’s lawyers are almost certain to appeal the decision. Mexican officials expect it could take months before any extradition actually occurs.”

Months! Wow, justice delayed in justice denied. Dotcom only took years. Take your hats off to the NZ justice system.
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May 21, 2016 2:24pm
Reid

There are more than 100 European Union laws that govern pillows. Almost 500 EU laws cover towels. More than 65 EU laws deal with bathrooms. A “mere” 31 EU laws cover toothbrushes, while close to 50 govern toothpaste, and more than 170 deal with mirrors. And that is all just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the super-state’s radical lawmaking. Yet, the people of Europe have no clue what those laws say, how they were made, by whom, or even for what purpose. More importantly, perhaps, they have no way of getting rid of the laws or those who usurped the power to make them.

But now, thanks to the “British Exit” (Brexit) referendum coming up on June 23, the British people have what may be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to secede from the out-of-control super-state that has taken over their lives. And the new film Brexit: The Movie, which highlighted the dizzying array of EU laws listed here, may be the best resource yet for explaining the necessity of restoring Britain’s independence. Best of all, it is available for free…

https://youtu.be/UTMxfAkxfQ0
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May 21, 2016 2:30pm
kowtow

Fletch

People who admire jackie Chan for anything other than being a bit of a slap stick comedian posing as an actor need to do some homework on his dubious allegiances.

He’s no friend of democracy.

“He is passionately political, a staunch defender of the Chinese Communist Party and harsh critic of anyone he sees as opposing Beijing. Today, that includes the United States.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/01/10/the-anti-americanism-of-jackie-chan/
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May 21, 2016 2:33pm
cha

Putin will be absolutely delighted to learn Israeli defense minister Moshe Bogie Yaalonhas is to be replaced by former foreign minister Avigdor Liberman.

http://archive.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2011/11/12/israeli_minister_denied_access_to_intelligence/
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May 21, 2016 2:39pm
Nostradamus

Venezuela, where a hamburger is officially $170

If a visitor to Venezuela is unfortunate enough to pay for anything with a foreign credit card, the eye-watering cost might suggest they were in a city pricier than Tokyo or Zurich.

A hamburger sold for 1,700 Venezuelan bolivares is $170, or a 69,000-bolivar hotel room is $6,900 a night, based on the official rate of 10 bolivares for $1. But of course no merchant is pricing at the official rate imposed under currency controls. It’s the black market rate of 1,000 bolivares per dollar that’s applied.

But for Venezuelans paid in hyperinflation-hit bolivares, and living in an economy relying on mostly imported goods or raw materials, conditions are unthinkably expensive.

Hopefully Yoza will pop by to tell us more about the Make Benefit Glorious Nation of ~~Kazakhstan~~ Venezuela.
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May 21, 2016 2:47pm
Reid

Putin will be absolutely delighted to learn Israeli defense minister Moshe Bogie Yaalonhas is to be replaced by former foreign minister Avigdor Liberman.

Why?

Putin Is Being Pushed to Abandon His Conciliatory Approach to the West and Prepare for War

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/putin-west-war_b_9991162.html

Also see my post earlier on why Moshe resigned.
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May 21, 2016 2:53pm
starboard

https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/justiceforblessie

$73000 and climbing rapidly. Fantastic to see.
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May 21, 2016 3:02pm
cha

Why?

Israeli intelligence don’t trust Liberman.
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May 21, 2016 3:15pm
niggly

$73000 and climbing rapidly. Fantastic to see.

Money wasted IMO, seeing that Blessie Gotingco’s husband is going to waste the money on lawyers beating up on Corrections.

The real villains aren’t Corrections, apart from Robertson himself they are the soft judges who didn’t sentence him heavily in the first place and do-gooders rallying against tougher sentences (and look at those opposed to the 3 Strikes legislation and punishing crims in general- Labour, Greens, civil liberty do-gooders etc … all quiet as a mouse now of course). This is where Mr Gotingco should be focusing his efforts in changing their attitudes.

Instead I hear Mr Gotingco in the MSM saying he is going to fight the “establishment”. Who the heck uses terms like the “establishment” in NZ apart from hard-core lefties and activists? I’m not sure I like where Mr Gotingco is going with this ….
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May 21, 2016 3:31pm
stephieboy

Reid, it wont happen simply because Russia cannot match the US ‘s Nuclear and military capability .Furthermore soft oil and gas prices continue to weaken the Russian economy .

Plenty of bluster and bravado rhetoric from the Kremlin and RT , GR etc , though
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May 21, 2016 3:38pm
Nookin

Niggly, there was one judge who had the decision to sentence heavily or otherwise. He concluded that having regard to the psychiatric evidence and the thresholds in the Sentencing Act, he was unable to do so in that particular instance. Unlike you, he did not have the benefit of hindsight and was dealing with a 19 year old. The crown, which hoped for preventive detention, did not appeal. Perhaps you could give us the benefift of your informed wisdom as to where the judge erred on the facts and in applying the law?
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May 21, 2016 3:58pm
Scott Chris

niggly (952 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 3:31 pm

The real villains aren’t Corrections, apart from Robertson himself they are the soft judges who didn’t sentence him heavily in the first place and do-gooders rallying against tougher sentences

So easy to be wise and point the finger in hindsight but the judges follow a tightly prescribed set of guidelines in sentencing.

Yes Robertson ideally should have got preventive detention in the first instance but he is at the extreme end of a behavioural spectrum and if you set your net too fine you catch fish that shouldn’t be caught.

That’s the legislative balancing act, the difficulty of which few of you seem to appreciate; and until the science of psychology is better understood, shit like this will continue to happen.
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May 21, 2016 4:00pm
starboard

“Who the heck uses terms like the “establishment” in NZ ”

Just a man , a Kiwi , a joe average whose wife was slaughtered in a most horrific way by a cretin who should of been rotting behind bars. Put yourself in his shoes for just a minute and think about it. How would you feel ? What would you be doing right now ?
Maybe if you have a better idea of the direction he should be taking, drop him a line, let him know.
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May 21, 2016 4:01pm
Griff

He is suing corrections and you all cheer.
He is suing us as taxpayers will be the ones who pay any costs .
Why dont you just donate some extra to the IRD and bypass the middle men lawyers so I dont have to be included?
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May 21, 2016 4:05pm
kowtow

“Instead I hear Mr Gotingco in the MSM saying he is going to fight the “establishment”. Who the heck uses terms like the “establishment” in NZ apart from hard-core lefties and activists? I’m not sure I like where Mr Gotingco is going with this ….”

Niggly should perhaps try to walk in his shoes. Wife brutally murdered and he gets a govt ( Establishment) whitewash.

I’m fucking delighted with where mr Gotinco is going with this.

The Establishmnt murdered that woman. First a judge failed to sentence an extremely dangerous dog to a proper term of imprisonment , then when it got out he was under “supervision” and targets exceeded , but he mangaged to do what he did.

Establishemt failure .
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May 21, 2016 4:07pm
starboard

cant help yourself can you chrisscott…slimebag …. s-l-i-m-e-b-a-g
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May 21, 2016 4:09pm
kowtow

Griff has a problem with claims on the taxpayer but he’s very happy for the taxpayer to be ripped off by the Estabishment via the climate scam.
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May 21, 2016 4:10pm
kowtow

“until the science of psychology is better understood, shit like this will continue to happen.”

Nope , until judges do their duty by the law abiding public of New Zealand shit like this will continue to happen.
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May 21, 2016 4:12pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,762 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 4:09 pm
cant help yourself can you chrisscott…slimebag

Can’t help myself what starboard? Which part of what I said is too hard for you to understand?

Try and make a reasonable rebuttal. (oh fuck i said rebuttal)
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May 21, 2016 4:12pm
starboard

Griff doesn’t think straight anymore. All that hooch has zeroed his brain , basically lobotomised himself into silliness.
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May 21, 2016 4:14pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,763 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 4:14 pm
Griff doesn’t think straight anymore. All that hooch has zeroed his brain , basically lobotomised himself into silliness.

Part of the reason that change happens so slowly is because Shitlords like you spray vomit all over online debate.

For once in your life be man enough to make a reasoned argument.
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May 21, 2016 4:20pm
rightoverlabour

The reason that “c#nt”got away with so many burglaries is that plod was too busy pinging motorists 4 ks over the limit. Anecdotal evidence is arising that the police are too busy to attend burglaries or accidents. That’s because they are perched behind cameras and radar guns keeping the coffers full. We need to start telling the MPs that are so cock sure they will get re-elected that unless this stance towards policing changes, we will vote for alternatives with more sober attitudes towards policing. I am not anti-police but I have no time for the top brass that are making these operational decisions. Policing is about keeping society safe. Driving at 111km/h is not generally a threat to society. (Just look at Europe’s speed limits that vary between 110 and 140).
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May 21, 2016 4:21pm
rightoverlabour

Oh and I see WO has an article that basically says Penny got told to naff off. Now some good, solid policing to deal with this clear and present danger to our society would be good.
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May 21, 2016 4:23pm
Nostradamus

Scott Chris:

(oh fuck i said rebuttal)

Do you say “bottoms up” when having drinks?
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May 21, 2016 4:23pm
starboard

“Do you say “bottoms up” when having drinks?”

He would if he could but he’s usually got a gob full of sausage, so cant. I would say his bottom would also be up as par for the course.
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May 21, 2016 4:27pm
Scott Chris

Nostradamus (4,787 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 4:23 pm

Do you say “bottoms up” when having drinks?

No. I find it hard to drink in that position.
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May 21, 2016 4:33pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,764 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 4:27 pm

He would if he could but he’s usually got a gob full of sausage, so cant. I would say his bottom would also be up as par for the course.

So have you got a reasoned argument against my original post?
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May 21, 2016 4:36pm
Nostradamus

Scott Chris to Starboard:

So have you got a reasoned argument against my original post?

What were we discussing again? (Hic!) Where’s Bereal when you want to have an intelligent conversation?
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May 21, 2016 4:42pm
Scott Chris

Nostradamus (4,788 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 4:42 pm

What were we discussing again?

The nature of my original post. His rebuttal to my original post. It’s hard, I know. 😉
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May 21, 2016 4:50pm
Hair Removal Specialist

Wow, talking about a blokes sexual proclivities is relevant why? I disagree with most of what SC has to say but SB is obsessed. Who gives a rats ass what some fag does in private. SB, please correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure that you will) but do you know what a real relationship is or do prostitutes in Thailand tell you all that there is to know?
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May 21, 2016 4:56pm
mikenmild

HRS
starboard only has imaginary relationships (to match his imaginary holidays)
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May 21, 2016 5:08pm
starboard

sorry scottchris, Im off for a swim and a steak lunch. You can wait.

Prostitutes in Thailand ? Whereabouts ?
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May 21, 2016 5:11pm
nasska

….”starboard only has imaginary relationships”….

This will come as good news for Scott Chris & his alimentary canal. 🙂
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May 21, 2016 5:13pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,765 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 5:11 pm
sorry scottchris, Im off for a swim and a steak lunch. You can wait.

Well don’t eat too much meat luvvie. You never know where it’s been in those parts. 🙂
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May 21, 2016 5:17pm
niggly

Nookin and Scott Chris – fair points, well made and I do agree actually.

Starboard and Kowtow – yes I understand that i.e. that Mr Gotingo is hurting severely – I understand and would too if it were me but the difference is I wouldn’t be going after Corrections, just seems misguided and an unnecessary waste of time and energy.

The only good that will come of it (for Mr G) will be the feeling of “righteousness” in that the ensuing MSM/Opposition frenzy will be “on his side” in attacking civil servants, whom are directed by laws put in place by limp wristed politicians and do-gooders backed up by the MSM – this is the hypocrisy that I’m not happy about (and in which Mr G is just a pawn).
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May 21, 2016 5:22pm
wikiriwhis business

Peter Goodfellow has been the President of the NZ National Party since 2009. He is also a director at Sanfords and has been since 2006.
https://nz.linkedin.com/in/peter-goodfellow-35047066
Sanford is a large commercial fishing company named in the latest leaked document, another damning report concerning the MPI turning a blind eye to illegal fishing practices by NZ fishing companies.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/…/exclusive-more-evidence-suggests…

Now it appears that Goodfellow is doing a runner from Sanford
http://asia.nikkei.com/…/Japan-s-Maruha-Nichiro-buys-into-c…

This is not the first time questions have been raised about possible conflicts of interest in Peters fishing/political activities
http://www.stuff.co.nz/…/National-Party-president-in-fishin…

Seems like this NZ rich lister, one of the wealthiest men in NZ can afford to cover things up if he needs to

FOLLOW THE MONEY
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May 21, 2016 5:22pm
Hair Removal Specialist

starboard, got any photos of your swim and steak lunch (i presume in Thailand)? you can prove mnm wrong…
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May 21, 2016 5:23pm
Reid

UN plans to stop me calling stoooooooopid sheeple stooooooooopid sheeple, murderous bastard neocons murderous bastard neocons, stupidboy stupidboy and slimy slimy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-20/un-plots-war-free-speech-stop-extremism-online
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May 21, 2016 5:31pm
nasska

….”UN plans to stop me calling stoooooooopid sheeple stooooooooopid sheeple, murderous bastard neocons murderous bastard neocons, stupidboy stupidboy and slimy slimy.”….

I had no idea that the UN were concerned over the vernacular normally associated with the kindergarten sandpit set. 🙂
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May 21, 2016 6:08pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

I hope you’ll have your LGBTI identity card ready when a UN inspector knocks on your door?
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May 21, 2016 6:21pm
nasska

I’m a bit concerned over this “LGBTI identity card” Nostra. Is it something like the Gold Card or do I have to submit an application.

Then there’s the problem of classification as apparently it doesn’t stop at LGBTI. The full acronym is QUILTBAG….. Queer/Questioning, Undecided, Intersex, Lesbian, Transgender/Transsexual, Bisexual, Allied/Asexual, Gay/Genderqueer

It’s all very confusing! 🙂
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May 21, 2016 6:33pm
Dennis Horne

@Reid. The blog rules forbid you addressing commentators by ‘funny names’, like ‘stupidboy’. So it’s all very well telling other people what to do … Isn’t it. Now. Eh.
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May 21, 2016 6:35pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Surely, despite your apparently comprehensive list, there’s an “other” option?
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May 21, 2016 6:39pm
Scott Chris

nasska (16,231 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 6:08 pm
….”UN plans to stop me calling stoooooooopid sheeple stooooooooopid sheeple, murderous bastard neocons murderous bastard neocons, stupidboy stupidboy and slimy slimy.”….

Yes well I won’t have a baaa-r of that.

Incidentally, anyone seen Johnboy lately?
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May 21, 2016 6:41pm
nasska

….”Incidentally, anyone seen Johnboy lately?”….

He’s been AWOL for about four months.
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May 21, 2016 6:44pm
Scott Chris

nasska (16,234 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 6:44 pm
….”Incidentally, anyone seen Johnboy lately?”….

He’s been AWOL for about four months.

Crikey! When would a Last Post joke become appropriate?

edit: dark yes, but I suspect JB would approve.
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May 21, 2016 6:48pm
starboard

Tell ya what trendsetters, they cook a good steak over here..even if it was from aussie..bloody beaut.

Righto, who’s up first..fancy pants scottchris, whats your problem? Rebuttal about what…what a tard you are ? Its well known around these parts..you’re a mincing queen poof who likes sausage. Filthy. We know why you’ve got a goaty.

Hair remover..come back when you’ve hit a thousand..I’ll privilege you with a chat then.

mm…ppfftt *snigger*..really ?
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May 21, 2016 6:50pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,766 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 6:50 pm
Tell ya what trendsetters, they cook a good steak over here..even if it was from aussie..bloody beaut.

Rebuttal about what?

This Shitlord:

Scott Chris (7,671 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 4:00 pm
niggly (952 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 3:31 pm

So easy to be wise and point the finger in hindsight but the judges follow a tightly prescribed set of guidelines in sentencing.

Yes Robertson ideally should have got preventive detention in the first instance but he is at the extreme end of a behavioural spectrum and if you set your net too fine you catch fish that shouldn’t be caught.

That’s the legislative balancing act, the difficulty of which few of you seem to appreciate; and until the science of psychology is better understood, shit like this will continue to happen.
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May 21, 2016 6:56pm
Happychappy

So if corrections are found to be in the wrong will all the public wanting this result to happen be happy with released high risk prisoners being under surveillance 24/7.What will the criminal hugging Labour Party’s Kelvin Davis have to say and will this be OK with Human Rights
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May 21, 2016 6:59pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

Okay, here’s a classic from Bruno Laurence (& his Electric Revolution and Travelling Apparition, better known as BLERTA).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN8kVlUIxSs
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May 21, 2016 7:03pm
Scott Chris

Point being Starboard, you and I and everyone knows you are at the extreme end of a spectrum of particularly nasty humans so I guess in some perverse way it makes sense that you’d rail so strongly against the likes of Robertson. You know how magnets work ay.
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May 21, 2016 7:04pm
starboard

“So easy to be wise and point the finger in hindsight but the judges follow a tightly prescribed set of guidelines in sentencing.”

Bullshit. Hindsight my arse. Far too many judges get it wrong too many times..and its generally the same useless out of touch soft cocks. This mongrel robertson could have been locked up under PD but the lenient judge failed, he failed miserably in his role, he failed to protect the public. He should be up on charges.

“That’s the legislative balancing act, the difficulty of which few of you seem to appreciate; and until the science of psychology is better understood, shit like this will continue to happen.”

You talk a lot of waffle for a car groomer. robertson was a known time bomb..had he have been supervised/monitored properly, Blessie G would still be with us. As Kowtow says, and quite rightly..the establishment has blood on its hands. Massive fail.
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May 21, 2016 7:14pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,767 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 7:14 pm

Bullshit. Hindsight my arse. Far too many judges get it wrong too many times..and its generally the same useless out of touch soft cocks.

Case in point; Robertson. So how did the first judge mis-prescribe his sentence? Points of law:……..?
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May 21, 2016 7:19pm
starboard

There’s the difference between you and me nancyboy..you’d hug tony robertson if you ever met him, me, Id have no qualms in cutting out his jugular.

Good afternoon.
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May 21, 2016 7:21pm
Dennis Horne

In his book Bad Science, I seem to remember that psychiatrist/epidemiologist/academic Ben Goldacre discusses the mathematics of 20/20 hindsight. Be a good chap Scott Chris and give us a summary…
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May 21, 2016 7:25pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,768 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 7:21 pm
There’s the difference between you and me nancyboy..you’d hug tony robertson if you ever met him, me, Id have no qualms in cutting out his jugular.

Good afternoon.

Unlikely. Lucky for both of you you have the law on your side rather than a couple of my injudicious barrels. 🙂
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May 21, 2016 7:26pm
Scott Chris

Ben Goldacre discusses the mathematics of 20/20

That’s easy Dennis. It’s because that’s how many fingers and toes we have.

What’s more interesting in my opinion is why we have 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in an hour and 24 hours in a day and 360 degrees in a full circle and 12 inches in a foot.

(if you didn’t know the knuckle thing it’s really cool)
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May 21, 2016 7:41pm
Viking2

fernglas (766 comments) says:
May 21st, 2016 at 11:35 am

Chuck Bird @ 11:04

I have read the review and seen the reasoning behind allowing him to have a car. It is best summed up by the psychiatrist who said that if he decided to offend, it wouldn’t have mattered if he had a car or not. I see from the review that there was a proper consideration given to whether he should be allowed a vehicle or not, and the reasons for the decision fall well short of the type of negligence you would need to base a civil claim for exemplary damages. Also, if it is correct that he would have offended regardless of whether he had a car or not, allowing him to have a car was not causative of the offence. If he hadn’t had a car, it could just as easily been an attack in a park or school playground.

Or like Hotene attack a young lady who got off a bus.

Simon bridges was the prosecutor of Robertson in the Tauranga trial. From memory Bridges asked for him to be locked up for a longtime but the Judge ruled as he did.
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May 21, 2016 7:43pm
blazeoflight

The success of neoliberalism in Kansas.

Taxes cut. Spending cut. Job growth over last 12 months=zero=0.

Well done, Sam Brownback.

http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/yael-t-abouhalkah/article78817667.html
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May 21, 2016 7:51pm
Dennis Horne

@Scott Chris. I feel let down. I think the maths showed you can’t lock every suspected bad egg up.

Talking about bad eggs, haven’t heard much about Bain and his minder…
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May 21, 2016 7:58pm
blazeoflight

And another neoliberal success:

http://econbrowser.com/archives/2016/05/wisconsin-employment-falling-further-behind
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May 21, 2016 7:59pm
Yvette

Johnboy ?

Penny Bright has him and won’t give him back until someone pays the ransom of 2,000 gallons.
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May 21, 2016 8:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Yvette

Help is on the way
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HoCxHf2JahI/TcnFuuZumXI/AAAAAAAAAPs/dXJ_ibySUiA/s1600/img786.jpg
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May 21, 2016 8:24pm
Viking2

SALEM, Ore. — Legalization of marijuana in Oregon has created at least 2,165 jobs and will add more as the market matures, a new report suggests.

Nearly $46 million in payroll will be paid to retail cannabis employees statewide in 2016, according to the “Oregon Cannabis Jobs Report,” sponsored by cannabis industry consulting firms New Economy Consulting and Whitney Economics.

By comparison, Oregon’s beer, wine and liquor sector employed 1,450 people and paid $28 million in wages in 2015, according to Employment Department data.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2016/05/19/oregon-marijuana-jobs/84633414/
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May 21, 2016 8:34pm
Nostradamus

Yvette:

Johnboy ?
Penny Bright has him and won’t give him back

Did you intend us to read the words “by the balls” into your comment?
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May 21, 2016 9:11pm
nasska

Perhaps she finally handknitted those two rolls of barbed wire as a dowry Nostra.

JB is a patient suitor. 🙂
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May 21, 2016 9:18pm
Nostradamus

I’m just wondering how David Garrett will take this news, Nasska, as he was competing with Johnboy for Penny’s affection…
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May 21, 2016 9:34pm
Scott Chris

Talking about bad eggs, haven’t heard much about Bain and his minder…

Good point. I really hope this apparent quietness doesn’t signal some sort of stupid democracy. In my opinion David Bain clearly killed his family beyond reasonable doubt.
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May 21, 2016 10:50pm
Scott Chris

On the other hand Dennis maybe we are living in the historical period of the stupid democracy.
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May 21, 2016 10:59pm
Left Right and Centre

Greenies are total morons – another perfect example is Iona Pannett – A Wallytown city councilor.
They’re going to get rid of the trolley bus overhead wires.
Iona the genius says leave the poles there – and they can be used for light rail.

1) She is told that the poles will not work for anything to do with putting in light rail. Clueless ignorant idiot.
2) If it was up to her – she would bankrupt the city in order to install their white elephant dream of light rail.

They are endlessly told that light rail doesn’t stack up in the capital. And yet they never shut up about light rail. They are fucked in the head. Fucked. She is fucked in the head. *light rail light rail light rail light rail* You don’t start with a foregone conclusion. You look at options. You look at feasibility. Viability. Cost / benefit. Oh no – not the greens. Who gives a shit what it costs ? Let’s put in the light rail, yeah ? And let’s ban the cars. Kids should be made to walk to school – that was her I think. What a fucking idiot. People voted for a greenie shithead like her. Fuckwits mate.

Light rail is pretty cool – it’s hot in Europe. Nottingham has it – looks good. Good for them. Iona would put light rail in every town in NZ. You’d have light rail in Taumarunui. Dargaville. Arrowtown. And ban cars. Because that’s the answer to all transport questions everywhere. Like a little green braindead wind-up doll *light rail light rail light rail*.
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May 22, 2016 3:00am
Left Right and Centre

More bugbears . . .
Like the fool that I am I watched some sports news. Is it . . . Ashley ? Ashleigh ? A young white dirty blonde (they think) attractive woman (who else would you pick ?) talking about English football. Pronunciation – F.A. ‘Vayce’ . . . . HELL-LOOOOOO ??

**vayce** ?? It’s a fucking varze – not a vayce. FA Vase. What the fuck ?? Oh well – if they’re watching this crap, they’re probably watching all the American endless bullshit programming on our shit channels, let’s just make everything American for them. It’s an official changeover. We’re all speaking American English with American accents now. Led by the wonderful MSM we can all count ourselves as proud Americans. Time to change all of our words, adopt all of their spelling conventions, grammar, syntax, technical terms, the whole lot. The whole fucking lot.

I suspect it’s the younger generation – brought up on a steady diet of American SHIT and have no idea that they are not Americans. They are fucked up. I’m sorry – I must use language that they might comprehend. I ain’t never done raised you to think you was no American y’all. Now turn the faucet off and fix me a peanutbutter and jelly sandwich and a Tim Tam cookie. Fuckwits. How can they let that dumbarse on national telly saying bloody ‘vayce’ ? Ignorant useless shitheads – she should be reading the sports to her own people in America. They love ‘vayces’. Cultural colony of America. I wonder what she’s doing for Thanksgiving and the Fourth of July ? Any old moron can read the sports news on TV3. You suck arse TV3 !! That’s arse with an arse you all too easily converted airhead cretins.
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May 22, 2016 3:24am
Left Right and Centre

And for those of you keeping score at home . . . the phd count is currently . . .

Maggy 1 Griff 0

You’re welcome – hahahahahahaha
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May 22, 2016 3:31am
Manolo

Griff is delighted: http://pagesix.com/2016/05/20/hypocrite-leo-takes-private-jet-to-collect-green-award/
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May 22, 2016 3:45am
Manolo

Chris Trotter should be reminded of this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-where-hamburger-officially-170-184605711.html?ref=gs
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May 22, 2016 5:54am
Dennis Horne

Every month this year has been the hottest on record
https://www.facebook.com/quartznews/videos/1161543870545980/

Getting close to the 2C and irreversible changes.

Carry on.
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May 22, 2016 6:25am
Dennis Horne

https://youtu.be/JQimNeJn9D4
“I’m Richard Alley, Professor of Geosciences, Earth and Environmental Systems Institute at the Pennsylvania State University. I’m trained as a geologist and also as a material scientist and metallurgical engineer. I work on the great ice sheets.

“There is nothing really in climate science that is difficult, except maybe the quantum mechanics that underlies the radial of transfer. There’s nothing that’s difficult, but there’s lots of steps: the steps all the way from CO2 as a greenhouse gas, to how much we are putting up, all the way to economics and ethics, and so on.”

Lots of steps. Start now. Some of you have got a long way to go.
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May 22, 2016 7:02am
mikenmild

General Debate has become a bit inconsistent lately.
Maybe we should resurrect yesterday’s thread.

This was a terrific story from Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi about the predicament of the Republican Party:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/r-i-p-gop-how-trump-is-killing-the-republican-party-20160518?page=9
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May 22, 2016 9:29am
laworder

The Givealittle has already raised $28,000. Come on Kiwibloggers.

Blessie Gotingco’s husband’s plea: Please help me

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11642252

Was just about to post this but you well and truly beat me to it. Blessie Gotingco’s family consider wrongful death action against Government. This was a clear case of negligence on the part of the justice system, Robertson was patently not fit to rejoin the human race and should never have been released. That said, the judge that permitted Robertson’s release is to blame, more than Corrections who failed to properly monitor him, but our judiciary are not accountable unfortunately

The Gotingco family have set up a fundraiser to fund the legal action here;
https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/justiceforblessie
It has just cracked $100K so obviously they are far from alone in seeing the justice system as dysfunctional

I donated yesterday when it was around $28K

Regards
Peter Jenkins
http://www.sst.org.nz
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May 22, 2016 11:36am
Chuck Bird

I see the givealittle page for Blessie has exceeded $103,000. National used to be a party that was tough on crime and cared more about victims than crims. Corrections have been successfully sued before for $300,000 for letting Bell out when he did the RSA murders. It can happen again. I do not care about tax cuts when National cannot do one of its basic functions that is to protect the public and that includes visitors to NZ. Key is Minister of Tourism. Cost was a factor in this botch up. Blessis was not a tourist but there have been a few murdered and lot more seriously assaulted, raped and robbed. Money should not come into this issue but money is the only thing Key understands other than polls and votes.
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May 22, 2016 11:48am
Chuck Bird

Peter, I just heard Prof Hodge say the difference with the RSA compensation was that $300k went to a live victim. Do you remember if any of the spouses of murdered victims got anything? I seem to think the did got something – maybe out of pocket expenses.
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