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Left Right and Centre

An old native will look at the red, brown, yellow, and cloth-covered faces in the high street and will hark back to the “good old days,” but to a teenager, it will be nothing out of the ordinary.

Works for obesity ‘epidemic’ too. Remember the good old days when people weren’t all face-filling slobs ?

I chatted to an ‘Asian’ fella who was out exercising. Kiwi as. About 45 – been in NZ 27 years from age 18. As he approached where I was resting – I somehow knew he wasn’t a fresh fob. Mind you – he was out exercising and not a dumbarse blob so you can never be too careful eh – hahahaha

General underferals – rubbish sack in tree watch day three-four. Rubbish all gone. Just kidding – of course it’s still f%%king there.
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May 13, 2016 3:16pm
Stars And Stripes

Well I will comment instead itstricky why progressive tax is wrong.
Poor people use more government services in terms of housing,welfare,healthcare and usually the justice system to name a few but richer people use less because they pay for there own healthcare,housing and don’t get welfare and the like.
So the people who use more are paying less and the people who use less are paying more.
Nothing more than politics of envy.
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May 13, 2016 3:20pm
sooty

Hay, Angle Grinder! When are you going to release your election manifesto.
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May 13, 2016 3:23pm
VicParking

Just read Toby Manhire’s column in the failing newspaper.
The mans a genius
He made one and one equal six so often he should be employed by Treasury
Only down side was it made me sick as a dog.
Maybe it was the printers ink leaking from my iPad.
Looking forward to the STUFFME DAILY not
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May 13, 2016 3:25pm
Left Right and Centre

General Friday the 13th Running . . .
The challenge . . . 13kms – Friday the 13th – at 13km/h+ . . .
Great day for it in wallytown. Windy sunny wallytown.
It went quite well. As the kms wound down I found myself nearer to the neighbourhood of 14km/h – so I thought I’d pay it a painful hard yards visit. 55’16” 14.11km/h average pace.

Cracked 2 000 kms in 2016. As my local Saturday market produce seller Malaki put it . . . ‘running idiot’. I can’t disagree !!
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May 13, 2016 3:26pm
dime

Left Right and Centre – not sure ive driven that far this year!

youre a sick puppy 🙂
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May 13, 2016 3:33pm
lofty

Hey dime, your comment at 3.05……boom, just like that..too easy.

Made me smile, cheers ?
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May 13, 2016 4:36pm
Captain Mainwaring

Bit of a worry.
BallSack and Angle Grinder missing from here at the same time.
Where could they possibly be?
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May 13, 2016 4:37pm
Inandout

stephieboy 2.05: You are pissing in the wind with your daily anti Trump barrage. Your little Islamic squeak will make not one iota of difference, and will probably get more Trump supporters on this blog as a result. Leave it to Allah to sort out if you seek a Clinton win.
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May 13, 2016 4:46pm
stigie

“Where could they possibly be?”

Someone said they saw them together, it’s the perception you see Captain..?
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May 13, 2016 4:49pm
stephieboy

Inandout , it is impossible to reason with the blind faith of a Trump cult believer .Trump fully understands you !

There !
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May 13, 2016 4:56pm
All_on_Red

Afternoon Stephie
Fuck you are thick
Best
AOR
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May 13, 2016 4:58pm
All_on_Red

Nice cartoon which sums up Libtards like Stephie
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiGRYquVEAI3G4l?format=jpg&name=large
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May 13, 2016 5:00pm
Fletch

Has anyone else seen this?

The uncanny resemblance between Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamil) and Sebastian Stan, who played Bucky Barnes (the Winter Soldier) in Captain America. Someone has Photoshopped Mark Hamil’s hair onto Stan, and dammit if they aren’t dead ringers!

http://www.squareeyed.tv/2016/05/11/luke-skywalker-ever-recast-winter-soldier-absolutely-perfect-role/

Someone even shared the image with Hamil, and he said “5’Oclock shadow Luke”
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May 13, 2016 5:19pm
Komata

AoR

The video ‘Feminists love Islamists’ comes to mind; a similar premise.

Thank you.
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May 13, 2016 5:30pm
Reid

Nice cartoon which sums up Libtards like Stephie

I think AOR he must have downticked you on that because he didn’t like the colour clash what with the red, white and green. It must have offended his pwogwessive sensibilities.

I think that because I refuse to believe he would be capable of reading it, and if he finally succeeded after many hours using fon-e-tick spelling, he would have forgotten what the first frame said because it took him so long to get to the last frame so either way, it was just far too complicated for the poor bastard.
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May 13, 2016 5:47pm
Inandout

stephieboy 4.56: You speak of ‘blind faith’, you who worship a man who married a young child; now that is blind faith.
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May 13, 2016 6:13pm
All_on_Red

Reid
The guy is truly sad. All day and night on here. Every day.
What is he? A sickness beneficiary stuck at home?
Just an amazing waste of ones life.
Edit – if he was good at being a troll I’d have more respect but he just isn’t- lol
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May 13, 2016 6:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Reid

think AOR he must have downticked you on that because he didn’t like the colour clash what with the red, white and green. It must have offended his pwogwessive sensibilities.

I think you are wrong. For red, white and green are the colours of the flags of: Algeria, Iran, Lebanon, Oman and Wales….
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May 13, 2016 6:28pm
RF

Just been watching Megyn Kelly on Fox.

She is quite a foxy lady. Spins my wheels.
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May 13, 2016 6:29pm
Happychappy

The Hub News tonight going on about family’s living in cars because they can’t afford to rent, so did the mothers think about the cold hard facts of raising a family before they started to breed or is it the Government’s fault that they allowed you to breed.MSM are lining up with this bullshit because they are losing the media race as people don’t trust what they print or say so they think pimping the poor will bring them trust and embarrass the Government.You should not be breeding if you can not afford to feed,cloth or house your family and give them what others do
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May 13, 2016 6:33pm
Reid

MSM are lining up with this bullshit because they are losing the media race as people don’t trust what they print or say so they think pimping the poor will bring them trust and embarrass the Government.

Hilariously, the more the fools don’t get the expected results, the harder they try even more of the same old thing.

There’s a word for that, but it’s obviously all a bit too complicated for anyone in the entire MSM to grasp.

I’m predicting baby talk will be the next tactic, because their analysis of the ratings graphs will lead them to believe their “wisdom” they broadcast is so profound the reason we’re all not listening is simply because we just don’t understand it because it’s just far too complicated, explains the earnest young 20-something in a nice suit to the grizzled senior leadership team…

It’s a shame they haven’t got to let’s put big tits on the news again, that might work. It just might…
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May 13, 2016 6:38pm
nasska

….”It’s a shame they haven’t got to let’s put big tits on the news again, that might work. It just might…’….

I’d probably give it a quick look but I wouldn’t turn the sound up for anything short of a presenter in a G string bikini! 🙂
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May 13, 2016 6:50pm
All_on_Red

RF
Apparently she’s paid $10 million a year too…
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May 13, 2016 6:56pm
All_on_Red

An Australian joke
I was walking through the city last week when I came across a Muslim Bookstore. I was wondering what sort of titles they had so I went in for a look. As I was wandering around taking a look, the assistant stopped me and asked if he could help. I imagined I didn’t look like his normal clientele, so I asked “Do you have a copy of the Australian Immigration Department’s policy on refugees and illegal immigrants?” The assistant said “Fuck off, get out and stay out”. I said “Yes, that’s the one. Do you have it in paperback?”
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May 13, 2016 6:57pm
Newbie

Any IT experts here? My PC has been attacked by a virus or something – I get a “# DECRYPT MY FILES” on all my files, which have been deleted – including emails and addresses. Googling this reveals that if I pay money they will restore the PC. Sounds like a scam of some sort.

Anyway, anyone know how to get rid of this virus and or restore my files? I have tried using PC Sytem Recovery without luck.

Thanks.
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May 13, 2016 7:30pm
stephieboy

Inand out , stupefying ignorance !

Age of Consent in European & American History

What was the ‘Age of Consent’ in European and American history, prior to the 20th century? In this article, I shall bring forth evidences which demonstrate that the ‘Age of consent’ was indeed, very young, even by today’s standards. I will provide academic sources which show that girls were allowed to be married at the age of 10 years old and sometimes times, as young as 7 years old, legally. It was norm just over 100 years ago to see girls being married off at very young ages. In most cultures, the marriage would have been consummated at the onset of puberty.

1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge

“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1]

2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young,
“In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” [2]

3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’,

“Until the late 20th century U.S. age of consent laws specifically names males as perpetrators and females as victims. Following English law, in which the age was set at 12 in 1275 and lowered to 10 in 1576, ages of consent in the American colonies were generally set at 10 or 12. The laws protected female virginity, which at the time was considered a valuable commodity until marriage. The theft of a girl’s chastity was seen as a property crime against her father and future husband. If two people were married and had sex, no matter what their age, no crime was committed because a woman was her husband’s property. In practice, too, the consent laws only protected white females, as many non-white females were enslaved or otherwise discriminated against by the legal system.” [3]

4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old “

“The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” [4]….”

https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/
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May 13, 2016 7:38pm
Scott Chris

Tonights Trump corner of Poems:

RF (2,204 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 6:29 pm
Just been watching Megyn Kelly on Fox.

She is quite a foxy lady. Spins my wheels.

[Brought to you by Slidy-Denture – It won’t bite!]
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May 13, 2016 7:50pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

This is for all the young fascists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX1UD-5txlU
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May 13, 2016 7:53pm
stephieboy

Donald Trump flip flops on key platform issues
Anderson Cooper 360
CNN’s Tom Foreman examines Donald Trump’s changing stances on many of the key issues of his platform.Source: CNN

Donald Trump flip flops on key platform issueCNN’s Tom Foreman examines Donald Trump’s changing stances on many of the key issues of his platform.Source: CNN

Against Muslims entering the country Then its just as suggestion or only tempory ,

Against the minimum wage , then for it

Will build the wall and make Mexico pay but guess what ? ,every thing is up for negotiation !

etc, etc

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/05/12/trump-platform-issues-flip-flops-foreman-pkg-ac.cnn/video/playlists/donald-trump/
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May 13, 2016 7:57pm
Scott Chris

Brigitte (572 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 7:53 pm
NZ MUSIC MONTH

Wannabes Brigitte. This guy’s kind of Kiwi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSvFpBOe8eY

note I really like this song and im not a facist
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May 13, 2016 7:57pm
nasska

….”Donald Trump’s changing stances on many of the key issues of his platform.”….

Of course he’ll change stances throughout a campaign…..it’s the way Presidential elections are decided.

Someone once described it as, “saying whatever is necessary to cement the support of the loony hard left or right then racing into the centre promising moderation”. Success hangs on split second timing.
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May 13, 2016 8:05pm
Scott Chris

nasska (16,176 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 8:05 pm

Of course he’ll change stances throughout a campaign…..it’s the way Presidential elections are decided.,

Holy fuck. Nasska. Really?

We’re doomed.
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May 13, 2016 8:09pm
Scott Chris

Hey nasska welcome aboard the coolaid train you fucktard.
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May 13, 2016 8:11pm
nasska

Settle down & back slowly away from the pipe SC. 🙂
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May 13, 2016 8:13pm
Awww C-mon

Scott Chris v Nasska

Just a like a yearling taking on the old bull…. won’t take long and is kinda embarrassing for the young fella
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May 13, 2016 8:16pm
cha

The Fugs – I Shit My Pants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWz75MYteX0
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May 13, 2016 8:16pm
Scott Chris

nasska (16,177 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 8:13 pm
Settle down & back slowly away from the pipe

Why? I feel like I’m dealing with the fringe of sanity. Which way should I jump?
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May 13, 2016 8:20pm
stephieboy

nasska, desperation stuff on the flip flops that befits a deluded Trump supporter !
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May 13, 2016 8:21pm
Don the Kiwi

“Which way should I jump?”

Off the planet – you’re an oxygen thief.
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May 13, 2016 8:22pm
Scott Chris

Awww C-mon (1,265 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 8:16 pm
Scott Chris v Nasska

Just a like a yearling taking on the old bull…. won’t take long and is kinda embarrassing for the young fella

Nasska’s older than you’d think.
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May 13, 2016 8:23pm
nasska

It’s not so much that I’m a Trump supporter….it’s the thought of Hilary becoming the leader of the free world.

She is owned by corporate America.
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May 13, 2016 8:24pm
stigie

“Which way should I jump?”

A good question you could ask Starbored there SC..?
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May 13, 2016 8:25pm
stephieboy

nasska, owned by corporate America ?

Evidence ?

Like whom ? GWB , Ronald Reagan etc ?
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May 13, 2016 8:26pm
nasska

It’s only kinky the first time. 🙂
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May 13, 2016 8:27pm
Awww C-mon

“Nasska’s older than you’d think.”

said no young bull ever…..
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May 13, 2016 8:29pm
Scott Chris

nasska (16,179 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 8:24 pm
It’s not so much that I’m a Trump supporter….it’s the thought of Hilary becoming the leader of the free world.

She is owned by corporate America.

Off the top of your head, how is she owned by corporate america and why is she a criminal and why is a worse than colin craig a better vote?
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May 13, 2016 8:30pm
nasska

Fight amongst yourselves…..I’m off to town to do good works as the sober driver.
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May 13, 2016 8:33pm
mikenmild

Heading for bright lights of Masterton…
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May 13, 2016 8:34pm
Scott Chris

nasska (16,180 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 8:33 pm
Fight amongst yourselves…..I’m off to town to do good works as the sober driver.

Well I was fighting with you specifically but off you go bro. Tell them that Trump loves them.
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May 13, 2016 8:36pm
wellygirl

So, apparently Winston Peters is in London and has given a speech to the House of Lords on the EU debate. I was sceptical at first, most of the ‘outsiders’ providing commentary have gone with the Government’s line, and it has been emotive with some scare mongering – and in the case of the US, threats. But Winston’s speech is overall quite reasoned, and focusses on the benefits that Britain could have outside of the EU, he is also realistic and acknowledges it won’t be easy, or quick.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1605/S00251/speech-by-winston-peters-at-the-house-of-lords.htm
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May 13, 2016 8:40pm
Reid

So God made a dog

https://www.youtube.com/embed/VDrabmm421I
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May 13, 2016 8:47pm
Nostradamus

Scott Chris:

Well I was fighting with you specifically [Nasska] but off you go bro

It’s Friday the 13th. I’m sure Starboard can provide suitable entertainment – well, of course, that’s assuming that he can drag himself away from other temptations in Phuket!

Mikenmild:

Heading for bright lights of Masterton

I didn’t realise that Masterton had a red-light district, let alone a bright one? Sheesh – Nasska is a worry at times!
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May 13, 2016 8:50pm
Reid

Off the top of your head, how is she owned by corporate america and why is she a criminal and why is a worse than colin craig a better vote?

Scott, don’t mean to interfere mate, but…

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4890754150001/napolitano-hillary-clintons-no-good-very-bad-week/?intcmp=hpbt1#sp=show-clips
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May 13, 2016 8:50pm
Nostradamus

Top Gear host admits he’s paid ‘too much’ as salaries made public

The new host of Top Gear has admitted he is paid “too much money” as the BBC announces it will publish the salaries of its top stars.

Chris Evans, who also hosts the Radio 2 Breakfast Show, is reportedly paid $4.2 million a year. But he says he should be paid less.

“People who do what I do for a living compared to people in the real world get paid too much money.”

He added: “We’ve got jobs that people would pay to do – if they could afford it – and sometimes those things aren’t even available to buy. Most of us work part-time anyway, so just pay us less.”

Well let me see:

1. When he accepted the job, with a specified salary, there was nothing preventing him from asking to be paid less.
2. Before his salary became public information, there was nothing preventing him from asking to be paid less.
3. Now that his salary has become public information, there’s nothing preventing him from asking to be paid less.
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May 13, 2016 9:08pm
Scott Chris

Nostradamus (4,756 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 8:50 pm

It’s Friday the 13th.

Yes but that’s no excuse.

Reid (20,986 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 8:50 pm

Scott, don’t mean to interfere mate, but…

Hi Reid. Welcome to our madness.
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May 13, 2016 9:10pm
RF

All_on_Red. 6.56pm.

10 million !!!!!!!!!!! I love her even more..
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May 13, 2016 9:16pm
Reid

US Congressman explains what I’ve been trying to tell the sheeple since forever.

A new book threatens to blow the lid off of Congress as a federal legislator’s tell-all book lays out the worst parts of serving in the House of Representatives – saying that his main job is to raise money for re-election and that leaves little time for reading the bills he votes on.

Mill City Press, a small Minnesota-based ‘vanity press’ publisher describes ‘The Confessions of Congressman X’ as ‘a devastating inside look at the dark side of Congress as revealed by one of its own…’

‘…Voters claim they want substance and detailed position papers, but what they really crave are cutesy cat videos, celebrity gossip, top 10 lists, reality TV shows, tabloid tripe, and the next f***ing Twitter message,’…

…’I worry about our country’s future when critical issues take a backseat to the inane utterings of illiterate athletes and celebrity twits…’

‘…Fundraising is so time-consuming I seldom read any bills I vote on,’ the anonymous legislator admits. ‘I don’t even know how they’ll be implemented or what they’ll cost.’

‘My staff gives me a last-minute briefing before I go to the floor and tells me whether to vote yea or nay. How bad is that?’
And on controversial bills, he says, ‘I sometimes vote “yes” on a motion and “no” on an amendment so I can claim I’m on either side of an issue.’

‘It’s the old shell game: if you can’t convince ’em, confuse ’em.’

The congressman laments that politics has become a matter of picking a team by the jerseys they wear rather than looking at the players underneath.

‘Things are so partisan today most folks vote the straight party line, even though they don’t know s*** about who they’re voting for. They just don’t want the other guys to win,’ he explains.

And he [notes] how family philanthropies can be the beneficiaries of what amounts to bribes in exchange for legislative favors.

‘Some contributions are subtle,’ he explains. ‘Donations to a member’s nonprofit foundation. Funding a member’s charitable pet project. Offsetting the costs of a member’s portrait to adorn the committee room he or she has so faithfully served.’
‘It’s all a bunch of bulls*** to get around gift bans and limits on campaign contributions. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.’

The mystery man reserves special scorn for… most of the House leadership bullies on both sides of the aisle. They wield too much dictatorial power, manipulating legislative procedures and denying members due process.’

The larger picture that emerges is one of disenchantment with the political process and the professional office-holders behind it…

‘…What we need are more common-sense lawmakers. Folks who see both sides of an issue. Who are open to accommodating each other’s priorities. Today, both sides assume their views are the only logical ones.’

‘I’m concerned my party has an activist far-left wing intolerant of center-leftists. Like the Republican Tea Party, these ideologues are much too rigid and extreme in their beliefs. And they’re equally unappealing to mainstream Americans.’

He cites education policy as an example: ‘I’m a strong advocate of improving our public schools. I also see the near-term value of vouchers and charter schools committed to lending a helping hand to disadvantaged kids. Especially inner-city kids.’

‘Hell, most of us send our children to private schools and wouldn’t be caught dead sending them to public schools in places like DC. How hypocritical’s that? It’s time to set aside petty politics. Are both parties so f***ing stubborn they can’t work out a reasonable compromise on this common-sense issue? Our educational system’s in the toilet, and all we do is snipe at each other.’

‘Most of my colleagues are dishonest career politicians who revel in the power and special-interest money that’s lavished upon them,’ Atkinson recorded his mystery collaborator saying.

‘My main job is to keep my job, to get reelected. It takes precedence over everything.’

‘Fundraising is so time consuming I seldom read any bills I vote on. Like many of my colleagues, I don’t know how the legislation will be implemented, or what it’ll cost.’

The book also takes shots at voters as disconnected idiots who let Congress abuse its power through sheer incompetence.

‘Voters are incredibly ignorant and know little about our form of government and how it works,’ the anonymous writer claims.

‘It’s far easier than you think to manipulate a nation of naive, self-absorbed sheep who crave instant gratification.’

And the take-away message is one of resigned depression about how Congress sacrifices America’s future on the altar of its collective ego. ‘We spend money we don’t have and blithely mortgage the future with a wink and a nod. Screw the next generation,’ the author writes.

‘Nobody here gives a rat’s a** about the future and who’s going to pay for all this stuff we vote for. That’s the next generation’s problem. It’s all about immediate publicity, getting credit now, lookin’ good for the upcoming election.’

As I say sheeple, you should look in the mirror. He is talking about you and if not you, then what your children will become. Deal with it and change, either yourself or FFS at least your children, for their sakes.

But you won’t, will you.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3586858/Screw-generation-Anonymous-congressman-writes-tell-slams-nation-naive-self-absorbed-sheep-admits-never-reads-bills-votes-on.html
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May 13, 2016 9:21pm
Captain Mainwaring

Israel Shickelgruber needs to get rid of that offensive moustache.
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May 13, 2016 9:25pm
Chuck Bird

@wiseowl

I am amazed that men are happy to give women a license to kill. They quote Gay Oakes premeditated murder of Doug Gardner as an example. I have read the court transcripts and met with Doug Gardner’s sister and step brother. There is no way that she should be used as an example.
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May 13, 2016 9:30pm
RF

Will the left never learn or are they so disolusioned with Angry Andrew. There appears to be growing support for Cunners to make a come back. I hear that this is being pushed by Micky savage who is running out of friends at Labour HQ.

The old sailors saying. Any port in a storm.
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May 13, 2016 9:49pm
pentwig

stephieboy (11,396 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 8:26 pm
nasska, owned by corporate America ?

Evidence ?

daffy, It is really hard to describe your lack of intelligence or even logic.

Please give KB’ers your education qualifications.

This will help us classify as just mad, half mad , or totally insane.
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May 13, 2016 10:02pm
EAD

@ Reid 9.21pm,

Indeed – as Ron Paul famously said:

“Truth is Treason in an Empire of Lies”

In this upside down world where bad is good and black is white, they made a film called An inconvenient truth about a mass institutionalised lie yet anything that is close to the truth is described as a “conspiracy theory”!
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May 13, 2016 10:04pm
starboard

Gawd its hot..another day spent on the ( imaginary ) beach..fantastic, Im starting to look like a special. Back to the condo for shave..hit a few bars see what I can finds me for the night. Some delightful petite angel Im sure.
Hows that omelette scottchris…figured out how to gloryhole it yet ?
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May 13, 2016 11:39pm
starboard

“Heading for bright lights of Masterton…”

” cough..loser..cough cough “
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May 13, 2016 11:42pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,733 comments) says:
May 13th, 2016 at 11:39 pm
Gawd its hot..another day spent on the ( imaginary ) beach..fantastic,

Blimey I believe you’re there. Finally some honesty in the description.
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