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May 12, 2016 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 12 May 2016

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Keeping Stock

Good to see the General Debate was remembered today 😀
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May 12, 2016 8:01am
Igotta Numbum

A couple of nice big shakes this morning… and not the McDonalds variety.
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May 12, 2016 8:01am
Happychappy

Record investment on the share market,how long before Andrew rallies the troops to have the share market close.This will mean the rich are robbing the hard working union labour
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May 12, 2016 8:05am
Stars And Stripes

CYF overhaul should help stop Flaxmere tragedies
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/303644/cyf-overhaul-should-help-stop-flaxmere-tragedies

More bold statements which are likely to come back and haunt her.
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May 12, 2016 8:06am
Griff

Thu, May 12 2016, 7:55:18 am
Depth 27 km
Magnitude 5.2
Location 20 km west of Masterton
Thu, May 12 2016, 7:15:32 am
Depth 28 km
Magnitude 4.7
Location 20 km west of Masterton
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May 12, 2016 8:08am
RalphT

Good morning Kiwibloggers!

In the post yesterday we received rates assessments for our two Auckland properties. This morning I went online and gave the Auckland Council the money they asked for. Could Kiwibloggers living in Auckland or with property there please give me their assurances that they intend to do likewise by the due date of 27 May?

Asking in a caring kind of way.
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May 12, 2016 8:11am
Captain Mainwaring

So your bum’s not that numb after all.
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May 12, 2016 8:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

A few days ago Radio, papers and TV were telling us that climate warming was responsible for 5 islands disappearing in the Solomons group.

I posted a few pointers on General Debate May 9th to show that the disappearance of Pacific Islands was due to a at least natural three factors.. and was subjected to another raft of personal abuse querying my honesty and claims that I was a “denier”.

Yesterday the senior author of the scientific paper admitted that the cause of the islands disappearing is natural and that the Media have misinterpreted his study and have exaggerated the climate change effect.
http://www.examiner.com/article/sinking-solomon-islands-and-climate-link-exaggerated-admits-study-s-author
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/10/headlines-exaggerated-climate-link-to-sinking-of-pacific-islands
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May 12, 2016 8:12am
Hajji

@ Maggy Wassilieff

There’s money to be made in ‘sinking’ islands.
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May 12, 2016 8:14am
flipper

Key being tossed from the HoR yesterday was a case of Farmer Carter (Yes, probably the single largest owner of dairy farms in NZ, and possibily the most wealthy of MPs) having a hissy fit, and suffering from opposition bullshit PofO syndrome.

Carter has become far too precious with his silly cloak, his glorified processional walk, and general pomposity all a consequence of being kicked out of Cabinet in to the Speaker’s role.

So it will be no surprise that I don’t agree with M. Hooton’s comment on J Key being arrogant in the H o R yesterday. I think J Key was pissed off that the Labour/Green/Peters conspiracy on the Hager Papers was getting soft treatment by Farmer Carter, and that he had more important things to do than answer silly attempts at “gotcha” by Private Mark.

But Hooton’s tweet late yesterday on the latest Curia poll was music to my ears………

Matthew Hooton‏@MatthewHootonNZ 8h8 hours ago
I think @johnkeypm was a bit arrogant today after getting last night’s @dpfdpf poll showing @nzlabour on 24%. #nzpol #nzqt

If DPF would be kind enough to confirm that, we would all know for certain that the Hager Papers have been what we anticipated – A dismal, self-inflicted fail for labour et al.
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May 12, 2016 8:15am
Happychappy

Watch and count what Names Little, Mark and Shaw call John Key Over a week and then listen to John Key for the same period .These Leaders and deputy leader are a joke,they are happy to shout and cry at what data says and then act like spoiled schoolboys and girls in den’igrating the PMs name
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May 12, 2016 8:16am
Lance

@Maggy
I am sure the offenders will offer a grovelling apology and openly confess their error……………………………… or not.
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May 12, 2016 8:16am
Awww C-mon

From the Horrid and Claire Trevett

“Mr Key was kicked out of Parliament by the Speaker for the first time since becoming PM for banging on after the Speaker had told him to sit down and shut up.”

Really Claire, the PM was told to sit down and shut up?? Really?? Shabby little tabloid doesn’t cover it anymore.

Total fucking embrassment would be closer to the truth.
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May 12, 2016 8:16am
Manolo

The veteran socialist’s warning:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/11/sanders-nominating-clinton-would-be-disaster/
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May 12, 2016 8:17am
Chuck Bird

Another day of blaming men for nearly all domestic violence. Yesterday they had male feminazi Kyle MacDonald and man hater Catrona MacLennan plus numerous other articles all putting the vast majority of the blame on men.

I find the feminazis use of the brutal death of Moko to launch this attack on men disgusting especially given that on of the evil murderers of Moko was a female and some sort of excuse for a mother.

I wonder if the merger of the major newspapers will make any different in an all ready unbalanced media.

Family violence: 24 hours on the front line

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11637552
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May 12, 2016 8:18am
oldpark

No matter what they say ,no matter what they do on the stolen hacked Panama Papers dump. Greenpeace, and Amnesty International are there in black and white. Makes one wonder what the six taxpayer funded employees of Red Radio ,and the Liebour Party Channel TVNZ ,were doing in their so called bunker sifting through thousands of stolen documents looking to get a smear on John Key. aided and abetted by Andrea Vance,ex employee , , from the disgraced News of the World newspaper ,closed down for hacking and stealing personal emails and text messages. Vance and Liebour /Green sycophants obviously missed the obvious. Yet leading the charge and fronting the biased TVNZ news was believe it or not, was the thick skinned woman from the back streets of Belfast, Andrea Vance. Not only leading the attack on the crime of the century ,John Key asked to leave Parliament debating chamber ,for not sitting down quick enough.Thick skin then gave an interview with two of her puppet masters from .Liebour/Green Party making sure their complete and utter pathetic lies would get maximum coverage. Even though Shaw from “Green” Party and Little from the Labour Party ,both were in complete denial .Greenpeace,and Amnesty International were on the stolen hacked Panama Papers.
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May 12, 2016 8:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

There are a number of articles out now commenting on the over-hyped disappearing islands and climate-change study
For those interested here are some more links:
https://cliscep.com/2016/05/10/new-paper-on-disappearing-solomon-islands-spawns-alarmist-media-hype/
http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2016/05/sea-level-study-distorted-by-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-1469948
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May 12, 2016 8:22am
stigie

Thought i would take a visit to the Stranded last night for some entertainment as there was no General Debate.
There was this post up called “Key thrown out of Parliament”, well, what a wankfest of conspiracy of over how and why Key was thrown out. The main conspiracy was how it was deliberate because he didn’t want to face anymore embarrassing questions from the opposition and apparently the speaker was in on it. The best entertainment for some time.
No wonder their poll ratings are abysmal and Mr 7% Angry Little is not fit to be Leader !~
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May 12, 2016 8:23am
kowtow

“I wonder if the merger of the major newspapers will make any different in an all ready unbalanced media.”

Not a chance, in a desperate effort to keep up their figures they will dumb down even further (as if that was possible) thereby losing even more readers.
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May 12, 2016 8:24am
Longknives

Both Stuff and The Herald headlines today concern that Reality TV Show ‘The Bachelor’
The women who watch that show know that ‘Reality’ TV isn’t ‘real’ right?
Herald/Stuff may as well have daily headlines about WWE Wrestling…
RIP the news media in New Zealand.
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May 12, 2016 8:27am
G152

I watched the Key kick out.
He had his back turned to Carter and was addressing the Greens.
He did not and could not see that Carter was on his feet..
But Carter could see where Key was addressing…
I might say that it was a sop to the opposition
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May 12, 2016 8:27am
Griff

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Yesterday the senior author of the scientific paper admitted that the cause of the islands disappearing is natural and that the Media have misinterpreted his study and have exaggerated the climate change effect.

Actually Maggy as usual when it comes to climate change you are misrepresenting science.
He was referring to the up to 8mm a year rise in the paper for the Solomon’s that has been reported as due being due to climate change by some reports in the MSM.
We both know sea level around the globe is rising by about 3.4 mm. The paper says the grater rate in the Solomon is due to wind patterns.
So no he did not say it was all natural he said the extra rise in the Solomon above the global average was due to changing wind patterns .
As we have both read the paper we both already know this yet you chose to misrepresent again and say something not supported by either the paper in question, the scientists statements or reality.
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May 12, 2016 8:29am
Garbageman

So the union controlled pathetic Little puppet thinks its shameful for JK to be kicked out of chambers, yet remains strangely silent on Winnie and his chief mechanic get given the same treatment on a regular basis hmmm why would that be Andy, I say go for it JK stick it to those KDS leftards they deserve everything they get, although in the leftards warped minds they probably count this as a win for them unaccustomed as they are to knowing what winning actually is.
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May 12, 2016 8:31am
Lance

@stigie
It’s a scientific fact that the longer you spend on ‘The Standard’ the more brain cells die off.
Long term exposure will lead to brain damage
You have been warned

Just look at Gabby et al… it’s tragic
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May 12, 2016 8:32am
Hajji

@ Griff

I am happy that the biggest fcukin’ worry in your frantic life is what may – or may not – be a key issue in 100 years time.

Man, I wish I had your level of stress…
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May 12, 2016 8:37am
Griff

Here is the passage from the paper that you have just misrepresented Maggy.

The higher local rate of historical rise is the result of both a larger global averaged rate of sea-level rise (Church and White 2011) and also stronger trade winds since 1990 (Merrifield and Maltrud 2011) which are directly related to the decreasing Pacific Decadal Oscillation index (Zhang and Church 2012). These PDO and ENSO conditions may ease in the Solomon Islands in coming decades to produce sea-level rise rates closer to the global average. However, as eustatic rates of sea-level rise increase over the course of this century we can expect that many areas will experience sea-level rise rates similar to or larger than the 7 mm yr−1 recently observed in the Solomon Islands for all but the very lowest emission scenarios.
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May 12, 2016 8:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

I have not misrepresented science. The media misunderstood the paper based on the Author’s own comments that he had posted on the “Conversation” website. This is shown in the Guardian link and the Climate Sceptic link.
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May 12, 2016 8:38am
adamsmith1922

Longknives – wrestling is more real
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May 12, 2016 8:38am
jcuk

Lance 8.32 That applies to KB I am afraid currently too…. I find it interesting how the tone of both sites varies over the years.
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May 12, 2016 8:39am
stigie

“It’s a scientific fact that the longer you spend on ‘The Standard’ the more brain cells die off.”

Thanks Lance, i will most certainly take that on board now, the damage that Gobby has contracted……..!
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May 12, 2016 8:39am
stephieboy

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If what Griff states ( at 8.29 ) is correct than shame on you ,M W. !
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May 12, 2016 8:39am
rangitoto

I watched the Key kick out.
He had his back turned to Carter and was addressing the Greens.
He did not and could not see that Carter was on his feet..
But Carter could see where Key was addressing…

Key to Carter on the way out “you aint going to London mate. hahahaha”
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May 12, 2016 8:42am
Griff

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Maggy you said that it was all natural in a post above.

Yesterday the senior author of the scientific paper admitted that the cause of the islands disappearing is natural

This is not what the paper says or the scientist has said.

The higher local rate of historical rise is the result of both a larger global averaged rate of sea-level rise (Church and White 2011) and also stronger trade winds since 1990 (Merrifield and Maltrud 2011)

Why dont you report me to DPF for clearly pointing out your repeated misrepresentations lovey.
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May 12, 2016 8:44am
oldpark

Heard a text read out on the Andrew Dickens show this morning. At the moment we have STUFF and NZME .If they combine,will their new name be “STUFFME”.
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May 12, 2016 8:47am
Tom Barker

Britain’s Tory PM and Defence Sec. have each publicly apologised to a so-called “radical Muslim cleric” for claiming he supported ISIS. The claims were made during the London mayoral campaign, since the successful candidate, a Muslim, had shared a speaking platform with this cleric in the past. He instructed his lawyers to sue the politicians over their allegations, and they both promptly crumbled. Good job.
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May 12, 2016 8:48am
Gabby

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If Andrew rallies the troops to have the share market close, then you’re not a fuckwit right crappychappy?
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May 12, 2016 8:50am
EAD

A piece of pure propoganda to make the peons think housing is “affordable”.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79680456/young-auckland-home-buyer-proves-scrimping-and-saving-can-do-the-trick

The MSM profiles a 23 y.o. who:
– “saved” $30k + $20k appears to be a windfall
– is required to have multiple Tennants lodging with him
– Bought way out in Papakura
– probably had to go into $450k of debt to an Aussie Bank that he’ll have for the next 30 years

And this gets hyped as a leading news article om a national website as an example to show us how “affordable” housing still apparently is and that only “whingers” can’t go in hock to a lifetime c/w our grandparents who could pay a mortgage off in 7 years.

Never mentioning of course the elephants in the room…..
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May 12, 2016 8:54am
Garbageman

@ Maggy wear your “denier” badge with pride its one of the lefts usual catch phrases like Racist, Islamaphobe etc etc usually when they have lost the argument or have nothing intelligent to add to the debate which is most of the time
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May 12, 2016 8:58am
Gabby

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Come off it Awwwk Wawwk, Trevvie wuvvs Ponyboy almost as much as you do. She hasn’t grown the obligatory for him though. How are your plaits doin?
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May 12, 2016 9:00am
stephieboy

Tom Barker , even The Spectator regarded Zac Goldsmith’s campaign for the Mayoralty as an ” embarrassment”,

Zac Goldsmith’s London campaign was a toe-curling embarrassment

The Tory bid to retain the mayoralty seemed to occur in a vacuum, shielded from the public gaze

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/zac-goldsmiths-london-campaign-was-a-toe-curling-embarrassment/

However it was also a nasty and racist one that backfired hugely on the voter .
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May 12, 2016 9:01am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff

You have a comprehension problem.
On Monday I posted the 3 reasons why Pacific islands could disappear… This was in response to earlier writers commenting on the media beat-up.

I then posted a link to a French study showing how vertical measurements are used to determine if an island is sinking.

You then came on line and attacked me for not referring to the original scientific paper…. but that is not what was being discussed earlier….only the media versions.

I posted a note indicating where the problem lay in the scientific paper….. Fig 6…. where the authors overlie real-time sea-level measurements with projected trends based on climate-change models.

You then went into personal abuse against me based on the original paper.

I have reported your foul abuse to me to DPF on previous occasions. He emailed me that your level of abuse doesn’t reach the standard that he is against.

so carry on… call me a hormonal mad slut responsible for causing mental breakdowns in other people…. but remember to do it implicitly,
sneakily, slyly…I’m sure we can all decode it.
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May 12, 2016 9:03am
stephieboy

EAD,

“Never mentioning of course the elephants in the room…..? ”

Now who could they be precisely ?
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May 12, 2016 9:03am
Keeping Stock

@ Oldpark – and it’s rumoured that, once the Fairfax/APN merger goes through, Auckland’s flagship newspaper will be renamed the New Zealand Ferald.
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May 12, 2016 9:03am
mikenmild

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I have reported your foul abuse to me to DPF. He has emailed that your level of abuse doesn’t reach the standard that he is against.

Can’t have been ‘foul abuse’, then. Yes, we have learned to decode your persistent misrepresentations of the science around climate change, Maggy.
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May 12, 2016 9:07am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND GOVERNMENT: AUCKLAND HOUSING SHORTAGE ‘MATTER OF NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE’ … NEWSHUB TV3

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/05/rbnz-warns-again-on-housing-risks/ … behind paywall …

… ESSENTIAL VIEWING … OPERATION HOUSING …

Govt: Auckland housing shortage ‘matter of national significance’ | Politics | Newshub#axzz48KGpagxC#axzz48KGpagxC

http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/govt-auckland-housing-shortage-matter-of-national-significance-2016051117#axzz48KGpagxC

A two-pronged attack is being formulated to fix the country’s housing shortage.

The Reserve Bank has hinted at restrictions on bank loans for house hunters so the amount you can borrow will be more strictly tied to your income. That will hurt first-home buyers.

The second prong is to make councils free up more land, and to do that the Government is prepared to elevate the housing issue to a “matter of national significance”.

Auckland housing’s problems are Economics 101 — lack of supply and too much demand. … VIEW & READ MORE VIA HYPERLINK ABOVE …

Home Truths – New Zealand Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=1500914

2016 12th ANNUAL DEMOGRAPHIA INTERNATIONAL HOUSING AFFORDABILITY SURVEY

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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May 12, 2016 9:13am
itstricky

@ Maggy wear your “denier” badge with pride its one of the lefts usual catch phrases like Racist, Islamaphobe etc etc usually when they have lost the argument or have nothing intelligent to add to the debate which is most of the time

Except that Griff has produced a valid argument which Maggy has then produced a counter to. Your paint-by-numbers spiel about “lefties” is the only thing that is devoid of adding intelligence to the debate.
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May 12, 2016 9:14am
Griff

Tone argument
The tone argument (also tone policing) is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument is dismissed or accepted on its presentation: typically perceived crassness, hysteria or anger. Tone arguments are generally used by tone trolls (esp. concern trolls) in order to derail or silence opponents lower on the privilege ladder, as a method of positioning oneself as a Very Serious Person.

The fallacy relies on style over substance. It is an ad hominem attack, and thus an informal fallacy.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument
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May 12, 2016 9:17am
Garbageman

Itstricky I do like your “paint by numbers spiel” bit but I will clear it up for you now that you have added some intelligence to the debate yourself, I was only referring to the badges the leftards give people not the actual “global warming/Climate change/woteva its called now discussion
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May 12, 2016 9:27am
Captain Mainwaring

Gobby, the Mason Clinic has reported you missing.
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May 12, 2016 9:30am
Awww C-mon

Gabby,
I will re-post my invitation to jump to a now unused thread and happily debate with you about all manner of things. Which crayons are the best, how to get a discount on bulk sherry, if Barney the dinosaur is a better show than Bob the builder. Things to suit your intellect.

Just pick a thread, put on a fresh diaper, grab your morning tipple and lets go at it while the adults are left in peace
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May 12, 2016 9:39am
Liberty

Isn’t living in a democracy wonderful.
If Carter had pulled that stunt under Comrade Helen
He would be living in the salt mine this morning.
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May 12, 2016 9:45am
stephieboy

Not only can we celebrate our Cultural and ethnic diversity but a new centre was recently established to celebrate our religious diversity established at the Grand Hall at Parliament ,

http://www.methodist.org.nz/files/docs/mcnz%20admin%20office/touchstone/2016/touchstone%20may%202016%20web.pdf

Note Helen in attendance and addressing the gathering !
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May 12, 2016 9:48am
Manolo

Full on warfare:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/woodward-20-wapo-reporters-dig-dirt-on-trump-every-phase-of-his-life/article/2591021

The Washington Post has built a sizable army of reporters to dig into every facet of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s life under orders of new owner Jeff Bezos, the Amazon founder and Democratic Party donor.

Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward revealed Wednesday that the Post has assigned 20 staffers to Trump. In addition the paper plans a book.
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May 12, 2016 9:49am
waikatogirl

Maggy
so carry on… call me a hormonal mad slut responsible for causing mental breakdowns in other people…. but remember to do it implicitly,
sneakily, slyly…I’m sure we can all decode it.
***

Hang in there Maggy.
Griff needs a little more female hormone in his system to lower his anger levels. 😉
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May 12, 2016 9:50am
stephieboy

Manolo, a kind of warfare that the Washington Examiner , the Free beacon , Fox etc would be fully familiar with against the Clintons during the last 25 or so years .

I hope the WP can get at the bottom of Trump’s alleged deals with the mob and using illegal immigrants as labour on his construction sites .
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May 12, 2016 9:55am
Happychappy

If whale produces data from Andrew Little to Ben Rachinger will he be called to answer why he was communicating with someone involved with dirty politics,the same accusation he leveled at John Key
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May 12, 2016 9:59am
Kimbo

@ waikatogirl

Griff needs a little more female hormone in his system to lower his anger levels. ?

Yeah, but wouldn’t that enhance his already-rampant capacity for sarcasm! 😉
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May 12, 2016 9:59am
Stars And Stripes

stephieboy (11,348 comments) says:

May 12th, 2016 at 9:48 am

No doubt there will be a tiny little display in one corner probably behind a curtain dedicated to Christianity and the rest of the hall will be devoted to Islam and other foreign beliefs.
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May 12, 2016 10:01am
G152

The thing about Pacific islands is most of those that are low lying
are built up by coral polyps and/or have their area increased.
Been going on now for millions of years
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May 12, 2016 10:05am
mikenmild

I hope those who claim atheism is a religion will be pushing for its inclusion. And the Pastafarians will need a place, too.
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May 12, 2016 10:08am
James Stephenson

If Carter had pulled that stunt under Comrade Helen
He would be living in the salt mine this morning.

Margaret Wilson, probably the worst Speaker in living memory and beyond, did once expel Clark. I shudder think what the consequences dished out by H1&2 were…
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May 12, 2016 10:09am
flipper

Now stupidboy…

Spinning crap as usual.

But, stupidboy, how many short term workers does the USA admit (and send back home) each year under an official US State Department temporary employment programme ???

One?
10?
100?
1000?
10,000?

NO

100,000 each year!

Where did Trump’s companies get their short term employees (seasonal demand surge)?

Why none other than your “Mafia controlled” Department of State.

Go back to sleep, ARSEHOLE.
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May 12, 2016 10:10am
Griff

Maybe I could then play the sex card.

Poor poor victimized little wingnut so nasty of Griff when he points out she spins bullshit.
How cruel to the poor little woman .
Griff should just let her misrepresent what people or papers say unencumbered by reality or facts .
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May 12, 2016 10:14am
Jack5

Good morning, morning, morning …. morning to each and all the Stephiestanis of the stephietroll posting team.

While you are celebrating T. Barker’s post on the British PM’s apology to the imam Sulaiman Ghani, what have you got to say about the following item: Muslims slaughter 16 Ethiopian Christians for refusing to convert to Islam?

More reason why NZ should be taking as refugees Middle Eastern Christians and Yazidis and other persecuted non-Muslims. Why are we taking in Muslim refugees? We don’t want more Muslims in New Zealand.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/669405/ISIS-kills-Christians-for-refusing-convert-Islam-sickening-video
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May 12, 2016 10:14am
Albert_Ross

David Garrett, and others who don’t know how to do special effects such as italics and bold:

You need to make friends with the angular brackets that serve in mathematics as “is greater than ” and “is less than”. On my keyboard they are down at the bottom right after m. To do italics, you put “is less than”, then “I”, then “is greater than” before the words you want to italicise – without the quotation marks – and then to stop, you put “/is less than”, then “I”, then “is greater than” at the end of the words you want to italicise. It’s the same for bold except you put b rather than I.

This has been a public service announcement by Albert the Amiable. I would thank whoever explained this to me on here a couple of years ago, but I am afraid I can’t remember who it was. You’re welcome.
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May 12, 2016 10:18am
Awww C-mon

I’ve said it to you before Griff, you have good arguments and valid points, then ruin them by being a sarcy, immature bitch.

Reach into your pants, check if you are a man then behave like it FFS
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May 12, 2016 10:18am
Jack5

Hell Griff, you all ~~piss and~~ vinegar this morning. Should we be rushing you some emergency weed?
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May 12, 2016 10:20am
Monique Watson

Little is being threatened with defamation action. How long until the knives come out one wonders. It must be Robertson’s turn at Leadership musical chairs.
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May 12, 2016 10:21am
stephieboy

flipped out , there doing what you excel at – being flipped out !

Wasn’t aware Donald acted as your surrogate show pony .
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May 12, 2016 10:21am
James Stephenson

It’s the same for bold except you put b rather than I.

Plus, if you replace those single letters with “blockquote” you get this nice indented quotation above and “strike” gives you ~~another way of being a smartarse~~ strikethrough text.
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May 12, 2016 10:24am
Happychappy

Andrew Little has a week to with draw and oppoligise to the Hagamans for his comments on the Nuie Hotel saga
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May 12, 2016 10:27am
stephieboy

jack 5,

“We don’t want more Muslims in New Zealand.”

Now why do you think my Iranian neighbours might be personally responsible for that atrocity in Ethiopia .

Have you taken the trouble to communicate with Immigration NZ to establish whether in fact Yazidis and Syrian Christians have in fact being including in the quota ?
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May 12, 2016 10:28am
Captain Mainwaring

Don’t mess with Earl Hagaman, little man.
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May 12, 2016 10:32am
Manolo

Bush and Obama’s unsavoury legacy: https://next.ft.com/content/695bfa18-1797-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e

More than four-fifths of America’s metropolitan areas have seen household incomes decline this century, according to new research that exposes the politically charged reality of middle-class decline at the heart of this year’s presidential election.
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May 12, 2016 10:33am
Jack5

StephieX’s 10.28 post included the phrase “my Iranian neighbours”.

They would be Shia, wouldn’t they Stephie? Poor buggers, like being Prods in a Catholic neighbourhood in Belfast.

As for the NZ refugee quota. The UN can be guaranteed to pick overwhelmingly if not totally in favour of Muslims. Besides Dunedinabad isn’t interested in hosting non-Muslims.

From your 10.21 post, Stephie X, do you mind please clarifying what you mean by “surrogate show pony”?
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May 12, 2016 10:33am
KevinH

The Speaker was mistaken in expelling the Prime Minister from the House. John Key was in the process of replying to Shaw’s request for an apology and resumed his seat when the Speaker called for order.
Shaw’s request to the Prime Minister was not the usual address and reply or a supplementary question therefore the Prime Minister was entitled to elaborate in the course of his response to Shaw’s request.
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May 12, 2016 10:40am
Stars And Stripes

By the way Stephie you look really good in that photo you attached with your 9.48pm post(second from the left if people are not sure).
Just a couple of minor things though, tie knot needs a bit of work but after doing turbans all your life I suppose it is a big step up and also open your eyes when the cameraman says cheese or was it butter chicken?.
Beard might need a bit of clipping as well but otherwise good.
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May 12, 2016 10:43am
Jack5

Whale on Londonistan in the following link. Help Whale by reading his blog – we don’t want him beached by the Establishment.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/no-white-privilege-london-now-minority/
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May 12, 2016 10:44am
dave_c_

Coming to a country like yours !

http://rinf.com/alt-news/newswire/british-tea-toast-under-threat-from-impending-eu-kettle-toaster-ban/

EU and UN are exercising their muscle, to ramrod ridiculous policy through against the joe blo citizen.
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May 12, 2016 10:55am
stephieboy

Jack 5, to allay another possible paranoid outburst my neighbours came to NZ c 1986 a dispora from the aftermath of the 1979 Iran Revolution .

Like a great many Muslims here , Shia or Sunni ,they are only nominally Muslim and like most nominally Christian New Zealanders don’t observe or follow their religion.

No ,they don’t feel like “Prods in a Catholic neighbourhood in Belfast.” Why should they !

50-60 Syrian refugees makes a Dunedinbad ? Another of your flights from reality !
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May 12, 2016 10:56am
AgentBallSack

I would rather read the Standard than whales sycophantic trash.
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May 12, 2016 10:57am
Lance

@dave_c_

Considering the very short duration a (decent) toaster runs for (low kWh) then this is absurdity in the extreme. Even if it ran all day long, it’s none of their freakin business. Control freaks much
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May 12, 2016 11:01am
dave_c_

Can I invite Mr DPF (or anyone else for that matter) to refute the following :

http://investmentwatchblog.com/top-10-reasons-why-hillary-clinton-will-destroy-america/
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May 12, 2016 11:11am
mikenmild

No dave, the EU is not ‘banning’ British kettles. It is setting new energy efficiency standards for small electrical appliances.

QI dealt quite amusingly with these kinds of stories a few years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqVJEZnYiZo
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May 12, 2016 11:12am
waikatogirl

Kimbo
Griff needs a little more female hormone in his system to lower his anger levels. ?

Yeah, but wouldn’t that enhance his already-rampant capacity for sarcasm! ?
***

Good sarcastic comment Kimbo!

Bacon seems to sooth most angry men.
Bacon sandwiches all round. 🙂
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May 12, 2016 11:14am
Manolo

@dave_c_: You can expect stephieboy to have a crack at it. The progressive Muslim is in awe of queen Clinton.
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May 12, 2016 11:15am
alex Masterley

Mr Hagerman is calling Mr Little to account, according to stuff.
This could be fun.
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May 12, 2016 11:17am
Keeping Stock

Quite so Alex. I guess now we’ll get to see whether Little will stand by his accusations, or whether his lawyers tell him to take the path of least resistance.

Either way, it’s another hit to his credibility.
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May 12, 2016 11:22am
dave_c_

@Milkenmaid 11:12am

Call it what you like – this is the equivalent of the ‘light bulb’ experience – A “thou shalt” edict to replace all your lightbulbs with ‘eco-friendly’ modern efficient light bulbs.

Such eco-friendly lightbulbs, and no doubt the replacements for the millions of kettles and toasters, are in fact worse for the environment (and often more dangerous to humans) than the item they are replacing.

This is nothing but an indication these organisations are ‘communicating loudly and clearly’ that they are in charge, and dont dare defy us.
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May 12, 2016 11:25am
Fletch

More censorship by the liberatti, this time of an award-winning children’s book in Sweden. It was written in 1966 and features drawings of an Arab pirate which apparently aren’t PC any more.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/10/swedish-childrens-author-forced-to-redraw-1966-cartoon-that-stereotypes-an-arab-pirate/
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May 12, 2016 11:26am
Fletch

Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson talks about his new film, and lays it on the line.

“If you look around, the frustration you see coming out of America, in my opinion, is primarily being fueled by the depravity [that] has become mainstream. Murder is mainstream, we slaughter our own children. We priss around and parade our perversion; it’s being done in front of our very eyes. Depravity, literally. And I never thought I’d see it in my lifetime. But it has literally become mainstream.

[W]hat happens when you remove God, if there’s not a firm conviction of the God of creation in the minds of human beings — Jefferson said it best in the Declaration of Independence: our rights come from God. He also said “God who gave us a life gave us liberty.” And then he asked a rhetorical question. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we’ve removed our only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of people that these liberties are the gifts of God. He says you violate them, Thomas Jefferson said that, and His wrath is coming. So we’re swimming in a sea of depravity.”

So true.

He also talks about Hollywood.

Branding Hollywood as food for ‘animals following our instincts,’ he declares that ‘the sexual experience is now the highest summit of our happiness’

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/05/10/duck-commander-phil-robertson-documentary-torchbearer-hit-cannes/

He is right there. Attainment of sexual happiness seems to be one of the main goals of society. And we will even bend the laws of marriage to adapt to our perversity; and also of moral decency, down to forcing both sexes to share bathrooms.
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May 12, 2016 11:34am
mikenmild

Of course, dave, energy efficiency standards are really just a commie plot to control us….
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May 12, 2016 11:49am
Don the Kiwi

“Kimbo
Griff needs a little more female hormone in his system to lower his anger levels. ?”

Leave poor old Griff alone.

He’s a bit tetchy and distraught because he let his subscription to the Tuakau Cross-Dressers Association expire. 😉
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May 12, 2016 11:50am
Lance

@mikenmild
And who is allowed to defy a ‘standard’?

It is the same as banning

Seriously do you think a piss weak, under powered toaster isn’t going to go down like a shit sandwich with the public?
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May 12, 2016 11:50am
Griff

Dear don
Considering you are the one who wears a frock while you magically transform crackers and wine into the flesh and blood of the zombie you worship we must take into account your unstable relationship with realty in examining any of your comments .
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May 12, 2016 11:54am
Don the Kiwi

You got the wrong person Griff. I do nothing of what you claim I do.

Did you manage to get your subscription in on time?
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May 12, 2016 11:59am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11637378

“The Super City has got a big tick from a report card issued today by the Committee for Auckland lobby group.”

A number of whose member companies contract to Auckland Council (and some CCOs.)

https://www.fyi.org.nz/request/1188/response/5083/attach/html/2/Customer%20Response.pdf.html

How is it not a MAJOR ‘conflict of interest’ that Auckland Council and some CCOs are actually MEMBERS of the Committee for Auckland lobby group?

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/members

How come in New Zealand (perceived to be the 4th ‘least corrupt country in the world’, according to, in my view, the effectively meaningless Transparency International 2015 ‘Corruption Perception Index’ ) there are no legislative controls on ‘lobbying’?

New Zealand has no ‘Register of Lobbyists’, no ‘Code of Conduct’ for lobbyists, and even more obscene, in my opinion, ‘public’ bodies like Auckland Council and some Auckland Council CCOs are actually MEMBERS of private sector lobby groups like the Committee for Auckland (and the NZ Property Council)?

Anyone else deeply concerned about this?

What is Transparency International NZ doing about it?

Who else is even raising this matter?

Or is the blurring of ‘boundaries’ between the public and private sectors, without, in my view, any legislative, ethical or moral ‘compass’ when it comes to ‘lobbying’, acceptable in New Zealand?

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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May 12, 2016 12:05pm
Griff

Dear Don

You dont wear a frock when you do the hocus pocus transubstantiation ritual how thoroughly modern of you.
{sarc}
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May 12, 2016 12:09pm
Happychappy

Penny can you give a update on water care as we are interested in their findings,and have you been successful in your quest from people that you have said defamed you
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May 12, 2016 12:10pm
stephieboy

Fletch, it’s worth reflecting that the rise of the Mafia and organised crime and the ghastly e.g chicken coop murders occurred in a an allegedly kinder , gentle and ” moral ” America. An America where the rich and famous could readily get church divorce decree divorce ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wineville_Chicken_Coop_Murders

Who says anyone is forced to share “bathrooms” – lavs ?
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