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stephieboy

Reid, as I have pointed out before I doubt if RT would cover this dirty like secret of Asaad’s who , is dealing with on ISSIS on oil and also given the fact ISIS still occupies the bulk of Syria’s oil fields and reserves ,

Revealed: Assad Buys Oil From ISIS

Putin claims Turkey is smuggling the terror group’s oil, but the awkward truth is his ally Assad buys more—from ISIS’s own public-private partnership.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/10/isis-is-the-con-ed-of-syria.html

And so much for you so called” neocon bastards “
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April 30, 2016 12:33pm
Stars And Stripes

MM-“The laws are simply about legislating for prejudice”.

Well even if what you say is true in the interest of consistency you should be okay with it because we have laws in NZ which openly allow discrimination against people due to skin colour and the like.
Look at university in this country, special entrance if you are Maori or PI, special place on campus if you are queer and the list goes on.
Discrimination is discrimination MM, no such thing as good and bad discrimination.
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April 30, 2016 12:34pm
Viking2

stigie (3,554 comments) says:
April 30th, 2016 at 11:59 am

“It’s about time our court system caught up with the obese
Kraut and Penny.”

As Keeping Stock says further up the thread, Penny is just trying to game the legal system the same way she is gaming the Auckland Council. A parasitic no good bludger that the people of Auckland are paying for !~
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as do so many others from beneficiaries to business people.
Nothing new here stigie.

Why single these two out?

Becuase you can. Try with some of the financial wizards we had who still live in luxury and many others.
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April 30, 2016 12:49pm
Viking2

For David garret. a word to the wise.

http://screencast.com/t/ivLafzjQ6nI
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April 30, 2016 12:51pm
flipper

Thankyou Milky for clarifying my comment on Churchill, Stalin and The Devil. I should have noted that i was paraphrasing…as the following from The Defence Media Network further clarifies:

“When John Colville, Churchill’s private secretary, told the prime minister on the morning of Sunday, June 22,1941, that Germany had invaded the Soviet Union, Colville saw him respond with a “smile of satisfaction.”

“In a special radio address to the nation that evening, Churchill said, “No one has been a more consistent opponent of Communism for the last twenty-five years. I will unsay no word I have spoken about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now unfolding. The past, with its crimes, its follies, its tragedies, flashes away.… The Russian danger is therefore our danger, and the danger of the United States, just as the cause of any Russian fighting for hearth and house is the cause of free men and free peoples in every quarter of the globe.”

“Churchill then said that Britain would provide all possible military aid to the Soviet Union in its battle against Germany. It was a testament to the desperate situation confronting both nations that Churchill, a champion of democracy, would agree to an alliance with a tyrannical regime at least as bad as that of Nazi Germany.

“If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons.”
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April 30, 2016 1:07pm
Manolo

The tough queen: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/278074-clinton-to-take-hard-line-with-sanders-say-allies

Hillary Clinton won’t bow to many demands from Bernie Sanders, according to her supporters.

Clinton is the presumptive Democratic nominee after a dominating performance in Tuesday’s primaries. She holds a huge delegate lead over Sanders and is focused more than ever on the general election.
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April 30, 2016 1:28pm
Left Right and Centre

General Running . . .
All my pathetic little ‘upper-ordinary ability’ running dreams came true – first finisher. How I ran that time – um – ?? 17.04 km/h average.
https://www.parkrun.co.nz/porirua/results/latestresults/
I’m obviously new to lycra shorts – second run I’ve worn them; second today, first was yesterday. At home afterwards today I see I ran in them the wrong way round. Yeah. Hey – no sleep – give me a break. My quickest ever run on earth in backwards lycra. Really ? Too funny.

Yes – it’s a great thing they put on each week, of course it is – well done and I’ve enjoyed the benefit of having some independently timed runs and meeting good people – fantastic. Thank you very much – hugely appreciative and grateful. There’s always a but . . .

And here it is – but because I apparently wasn’t all super soft middle-upper class lovey dovey tea with the queen enough as I crossed the line – I got told off later on. I’d love to see a transcript of what I’d in fact said to know exactly what it was that was considered to be so extremely offensive. You’ve got me.

At that moment I couldn’t be arsed arguing with the heart-rate monitoring phone app counting well to do nice folks. Got a watch ? What is that thing telling you ? On their own little planet. Shopping at NW, parking the near new tank-size earth-saving SUV with the sticker family on the back. I cycle to it – good warm-up – especially with my punctuality. Maybe they should try meeting some other social classes aside from their own utopian ideal clique ? I wonder if they’ve heard of Aerosmith ? Know what I’m saying ?

Again – no sleep / end of my waking day doesn’t help. Running beyond your known limits doesn’t help. Far out – try to see what people have just done and been through to achieve something – I’d just run the best run of my life. It’s called theory of mind – the ability to try to put yourself in someone else’s 17km/h running shoes.
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April 30, 2016 1:43pm
alex Masterley

What a great day in Auckland.
Fine and sunny. If this is global warming or greening, bring it on.
I have watched my youngest play rugby, watched offshore power boat racing from my yacht club balcony and it’s off to the rugby at eden park tonight.
I’m surprised I didn’t see any greenies objecting to the offshore powerboats as there was a hell of a lot of fuel being used as they blatted around.
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April 30, 2016 3:41pm
notrotsky

A great outcome and another fine professional effort by the police and various search and rescue personnel – I wonder if the two ladies in question were insured and whether they will be asked to reimburse NZ for our professional efforts in saving their lives ?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11631194
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April 30, 2016 3:43pm
Steve (North Shore)

Great day in Auckland. Penny Bright seen sunbathing on Takapuna beach!
Just kidding
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April 30, 2016 4:05pm
RF

I find that it’s good therapy to Visit the standard where there is a congregation of the most unhappy sad sacks in this country. It makes me appreciate how fortunate we are on the right. Every day over on the standard is Groundhog Day as its pure repetition concerning the evil eater of baby’s, John Key, with the usual witch smellers trotting out daily tit bits of speculation about his forthcoming demise.

One of the authors over there has a real hang up about JK and his almost daily posts demonstrate this. I wonder if angry Andrew has woken up that micky mouse would move heaven and earth to have his mate Cunners roll him.

The mouse that roared.
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April 30, 2016 4:11pm
nasska

…..”Penny Bright seen sunbathing on Takapuna beach”….

Has someone alerted DOC? They’ll probably need a bucket brigade until she can be floated at the next high tide! 🙂
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April 30, 2016 4:31pm
starboard

Talking about gimps Dime , back in the mid 70’s a group of us just back from o/seas decided on a weekend in Sydney..Kings Cross of course. During our bar crawling hours I had to take a leak so went into the males toilet of the bar we were in. I found a bloke lying in the urinal wearing a full rubber suit which only had a hole for a mouth. He had a dog chain around his neck and was tied to the pipework. 2 guys were urinating on him and they all seemed to be enjoying it.
I was later to learn he was one of many local “gimps” a pervert , a homosexual who spent his Friday and Saturday nights lying in the urinal , shall we say, getting watered. We were obviously in the wrong ” type ” of bar and exited fairly quickly.
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April 30, 2016 4:36pm
Jack5

The Muslim invasion of Europe has only just begun. Seventy-nine million Turks are about to get visa-free entry to Europe. Meanwhile European intelligence agencies are warning that hundreds of thousands of people are waiting in North Africa for a chance to cross the Mediterranean to Europe.

Turks’ visa-free entry:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-at-pains-over-visa-free-travel-for-turks-a-1090040.html#ref=nl-international

and, new wave of migration imminent from North Africa to Europe:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/refugee-crisis-focus-shifts-to-north-africa-a-1089536.html
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April 30, 2016 4:41pm
Viking2

According to Statistics New Zealand the annual trade balance is in deficit by more than $3 billion and it’s the largest the country has seen in seven years.

The report says as of March 2016, the annual trade balance was a deficit of $3.8 billion, the largest since April 2009.

Statistics New Zealand senior manager Nicola Growden says the large annual trade deficit is a result of falls in the value of primary produce exports.

“Alongside consistent falls in the value of milk powder, values of beef and lamb have fallen in recent months.”

The value of meat and edible offal fell 17 per cent as well, down $300 million since December. The value of milk powder, butter and cheese also fell by 6.4 per cent ($181 million).

It also showed the value of exported goods also fell 14 per cent, down $701 million from last year.

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And we wonder why our dollar is so high.
Overspending our earnings.
Well managed National.

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/125173-38-billion-trade-balance-deficit.html
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April 30, 2016 4:43pm
Fletch

A Dem strategist reckons Trump will beat Hillary “like a baby seal”…lol

Democratic strategist Dave “Mudcat” Saunders believes Donald Trump will beat Hillary Clinton like a “baby seal,” and that working class whites who haven’t already left the Democratic Party for cultural reasons will due so now for economic ones.

“I know a ton of Democrats — male, female, black and white — here [in southern Virginia] who are going to vote for Trump. It’s all because of economic reasons. It’s because of his populist message,” Mudcat told The Daily Caller Wednesday.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/27/democratic-strategist-trump-will-beat-hillary-like-a-baby-seal/
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April 30, 2016 6:13pm
Griff

yip because the missing constituent is

yokels of low info and even lower IQ

Do Democrats Need a Bubba Strategy?
The party shouldn’t give up on NASCAR voters, says Dave “Mudcat” Saunders.
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Buba Southern slang for people of limited means and less education—is not only useful but essential to the Democratic Party’s future throughout the South and rural areas of the country. If the party wants to hold the Senate this year, let alone retake the House of Representatives any time soon, it must travel again down many a country road, at least philosophically, Saunders says.

https://davesaunders.wordpress.com/2014/07/08/bubba-strategy/#more-540

**TRUMP**
white house
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April 30, 2016 6:27pm
nasska

….”yokels of low info and even lower IQ”….

In NZ we call them religio/conservatives Griff. They’re so thick that they think that elections are decided by those at the polar ends of the political spectrum rather than the swinging centre.
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April 30, 2016 6:48pm
All_on_Red

‘I’d been thinking that maybe Mr. Trump’s appeal is simple: What Trump supporters believe, what they perceive as they watch him, is that he is on America’s side.
And that comes as a great relief to them, because they believe that for 16 years Presidents Bush and Obama were largely about ideologies. They seemed not so much on America’s side as on the side of abstract notions about justice and the needs of the world. Mr. Obama’s ideological notions are leftist, and indeed he is a hero of the international left. He is about international climate-change agreements, and leftist views of gender, race and income equality. Mr. Bush’s White House was driven by a different ideology—neoconservatism, democratizing, nation building, defeating evil in the world, privatizing Social Security.
But it was all ideology.
Then Mr. Trump comes and in his statements radiate the idea that he’s not at all interested in ideology, only in making America great again—through border security and tough trade policy, etc. He’s saying he’s on America’s side, period.’
Peggy Noonan
‘Exactly. The average American doesn’t give a damn about either political party. They vote for one party over another simply because one party comes closer to reflecting their views than another, or because one candidate seems more genuine, or less corrupt, than another. They don’t place either political party above their own self-interest, or the nation’s interest. The GOP (as well as the Democrats) has driven most of these independent-minded Americans away by elevating party and politics above country.
Trump’s appeal is grounded in an absence of a rigidly defined, party-centric ideology, and his elevation of country over party. In other words, Trump–the quintessential political outsider–is an average Joe (albeit a very wealthy one).’
Glenn Reynolds
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April 30, 2016 6:49pm
Griff

making America great again—through border security and tough trade policy, etc.

Yip yokels
Lock out all those wet backs and the economy is in trouble.
Trump himself employs them because they are cheap it will push prices up you do know that?
Trade policy
Yippy 45% tariff on goods from china gonna bring jobs and prosperity .
What….. my cellphone, lap top. car, fridge etc is going to cost 45% more… no one told me about that .
He is gonna cut taxes
At the same time he is gonna increase military spending and increase cost to business contracting the productive economy.
How that work sprinkling pixie dust?

He is saying any thing that idiots want to hear.
Selling an empty brand.
**TRUMP** make America great again.
Because one thing he is good at is selling…. .
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April 30, 2016 7:03pm
Fletch

Trump is like the anti-Obama. If only he could reverse everything Obama has ever done, the U.S would be in better shape.
Scrap ObamaCare – it doesn’t work. Scrap the Iran deal and resume sanctions. Re-establish proper ties with Israel. Start enforcing the border laws (recently, he let go 19,000 illegals onto the streets, including rapists and murderers). Dump gay marriage. Do away with the climate change nonsense.

It’s my rule-of-thumb that everything Obama does is liberal and likely not to benefit America. I haven’t been proved wrong yet.
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April 30, 2016 7:14pm
mikenmild

Be fair, Griff. The Trump presidency will be as successful as his other ventures:
Trump Steaks
Trump Mortages
Trump Vodka
Trump: The Game
Trump Airlines

not to mention the multiple bankruptcies.
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April 30, 2016 7:16pm
nasska

….”Because one thing he is good at is selling…. .”….

There’s a little more to it than that Griff. The way I read it, Trump has two irresistible pluses that will make him the next POTUS:

1) He’s not a professional politician, a species who voters loathe & distrust for good reason.

2) As AoR states above: “….his elevation of country over party”. The Yanks are sick to death of venal, lying politicians.
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April 30, 2016 7:16pm
Fletch

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency in 2015 decided not to deport but release 19,723 criminal illegal immigrants, including 208 convicted of murder, over 900 convicted of sex crimes and 12,307 of drunk driving, according to new government numbers.

Overall, those released into virtually every state and territory of America had a total of 64,197 convictions among them, for an average of 3.25 convictions each, according to an analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies. ICE also said that the group were convicted of 8,234 violent crimes.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ice-releases-19723-criminal-illegals-208-convicted-of-murder-900-of-sex-crimes/article/2589785#.VyIQ_S39jbN.facebook
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April 30, 2016 7:19pm
Griff

It’s my rule-of-thumb that everything Obama does is liberal and likely not to benefit America. I haven’t been proved wrong yet.

If America reverses all the things that Obama did it would make very little change .
If it could reverse all the things bush done which is impossible because of the FUBAR’s .
It wouldent be tens of trillions in dept and we wouldn’t have Isis for a start.
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April 30, 2016 7:20pm
Griff

In 2013, a Department of Homeland Security report estimating the size of the illegal immigrant population living in the U.S. said, “In summary, an estimated 11.4 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the United States in January 2012

Hmmmm and Fletch is wanking about 19,723 criminal illegal immigrants
gee maths Fletch.
One in more than 500
To place that in context.
The ratio between the US population and its present prison population is one in 142
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April 30, 2016 7:30pm
nasska

…..”The ratio between the US population and its present prison population is one in 142″….

They would never have done it without the War on Drugs.
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April 30, 2016 7:39pm
Fletch

Griff, I was talking about criminal illegals which have been released from prison, hundreds of whom have been convicted of murder and sex crimes.
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April 30, 2016 7:52pm
Griff

So what Fletch.
The number as a percentage is small compared to the population and is mostly made up of minor DIC and drug offenses.
Someone does a crime does the time that’s it that should be the end of the matter except for the most incorrigible.

You are taking hate that is it.
If Jesus was real you would burn in the eighth Circle of hell for eternity for your hypocrisy.
But as a good catholic conservative the words of your so called god go right over the top of your head Matthew 6:14-15
Jesus was a bloody liberal.
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April 30, 2016 8:47pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/79480294/andrew-little-shaken-by-syrian-refugee-camp

Invite them to your house then andy
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April 30, 2016 9:17pm
Manolo

The philanderer will have to work harder:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/30/exclusive-clinton-crash-hillary-received-hundreds-thousands-less-votes-2016-vs-2008/
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May 1, 2016 6:59am
Manolo

A horrible endorsement:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/30/cruz-team-attacks-trump-for-touting-tyson-endorsement-while-in-indiana.html?intcmp=hpbt3
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