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stigie

“How do you know that Maggy is a woman”?

You could be right Nostra, how can you tell these days. I may have disgraced myself, hope she’s not a cop in drag..?
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April 2, 2016 8:14pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

hope she’s not a cop in drag

Fortunately, because we’re on Kiwiblog, we have specialists to call on if a full body examination is needed.
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April 2, 2016 8:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Stigie

Why can’t you trust me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDtGfAsYvk

(actually, ignore the lyrics)
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April 2, 2016 8:16pm
Odakyu-sen

Shunda barunda,

$20,000?

With deposit rates plummeting, maybe I should lend it to you instead. What kind of return can you get for me? 😉
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April 2, 2016 8:25pm
Reid

You’re getting your bits & pieces in knots worrying about what might never happen.

I’m not worried though nasska, I don’t care what happens to me, I never have.

My only purpose in my posts has always been: that’s what’s out there, heads up.

And if that’s a dirty nuke or whatever, well, fine.

I just thought you might want to know, so you could take whatever action you think appropriate.
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April 2, 2016 8:25pm
stigie

“we have specialists to call on if a full body examination is needed”.

Well Johnboy is out of the question, he hasn’t been around for a while and in any case he prefers the woolly type !~
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April 2, 2016 8:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@odakyu-sen

What kind of return can you get for me?

If you are trying to undercut me, I’m not well-pleased.
(anyway Shunda barunda is proving a bit slippery with his 7-9% interest rates)
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April 2, 2016 8:31pm
nasska

Hold out for 70% Maggy. If he doesn’t pay up the Greymouth underworld will deep six him.

He’s desperate! 🙂
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April 2, 2016 8:36pm
Shunda barunda

With deposit rates plummeting, maybe I should lend it to you instead. What kind of return can you get for me?

A thank you letter, 10 years of Christmas cards, and an autographed copy of my memoirs.

Which is substantially more than the banks will give you for the foreseeable future 😉
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April 2, 2016 8:41pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Johnboy is out of the question

I was thinking of someone from the transgender forensics team.
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April 2, 2016 8:47pm
cha

Breitbart hacks get their alt-right white supremacist on, praising sites like VDARE and American Renaissance as intellectual and excusing their racist anti-semitism by saying it’s a leftist smear and doesn’t really exist.

Andrew Anglin responds –

Today, we will be reviewing the Breitbart article entitled “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide To The Alt-Right” by Allum Bokhari (half Paki) and Milo Yiannopoulos (homosexualist half-Jew).

https://archive.is/5xful#selection-575.0-581.78
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April 2, 2016 8:51pm
Aliog

Reid, you do understand that you are not only a tinfoil hat-wearing fuckwit, but that we ALL KNOW that you’re a tinfoil hat-wearing fuckwit? And that you and your Jew-hating lawn-mowing friend EAD, and the even madder UT, are simply click-bait? No?? Really?? What’s that? You’re hearing voices again?
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April 2, 2016 8:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@nostradamus; @stigie

Am I detecting a hint of transmisogyblanc?
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April 2, 2016 9:02pm
UglyTruth

but that we ALL KNOW that you’re a tinfoil hat-wearing fuckwit

Hey shithead, are you lying, deluded, or omniscient? There’s no fourth option.
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April 2, 2016 9:02pm
Aliog

I’m omniscient, UT. Bahhhhhhhhhh 🙂 And by the way, big words – well done!!
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April 2, 2016 9:04pm
Aliog

PS – The fourth option, Ugly, is that I am telling the truth!! Hey, that’s an ugly thought for a fuckwit like you, isn’t it?
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April 2, 2016 9:06pm
Nostradamus

I wonder if Johnboy saw this article yesterday. I’m referring to the “Safety first as new law kicks in” article.
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April 2, 2016 9:06pm
UglyTruth

I’m omniscient, UT.

They last halfwit to claim omniscience on KiwiBlog hasn’t been seen since.
Hopefully the same fate awaits you.
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April 2, 2016 9:12pm
UglyTruth

PS – The fourth option, Ugly, is that I am telling the truth!! Hey, that’s an ugly thought for a fuckwit like you, isn’t it?

For you to be telling the truth you would have to be omniscient. If you were omnscient you would know what happened to the last shithead who talked you you did.
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April 2, 2016 9:15pm
Aliog

Well, Ugly…I’m still here! You regularly push the boundaries of what is believable, which is why I assume there are regular blessed silences when you are ‘managed’. As for Reid and EAD…what can I say? It was all the fault of the Jews? They bombed the twin towers and made up the holocaust? You are all pathetic beneath contempt.
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April 2, 2016 9:18pm
UglyTruth

.. is why I assume there are regular blessed silences when you are ‘managed’ …

If you were omniscient you wouldn’t assume anything, you would know it.

The only rational conclusion is that you are a liar. So, go fuck yourself, Aliog.
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April 2, 2016 9:25pm
Reid

Aliog, do you have an argument, a proposition, a negation, anything?

Just you don’t appear to have added anything, no contribution. Nada.

So…

But….

???

How extraordinary.

A veritable vacuum.

Perhaps we should call you the Black Hole from now on.

All you have to do is make something, anything of worth.

Think that’s possible?
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April 2, 2016 9:31pm
Aliog

Well, Reid…calling wankers what they are is a worthwhile occupation in my view. Your arguments are facile, flawed, and have been utterly debunked by others, so all I need to do is remind everyone that you are a flakey fuckwit. Anyone who denies the Holocaust is beneath contempt.
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April 2, 2016 9:42pm
UglyTruth

Your arguments are facile, flawed, and have been utterly debunked by others …

Coming from a lying shithead such as yourself, Aliog, would would a reasonable man take away from the exchange?
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April 2, 2016 9:58pm
Reid

Your arguments are facile, flawed, and have been utterly debunked by others

Really.

Pray tell where, on this thread, today.

Go ahead, maestro.

[Giggle]

Anyone who denies the Holocaust is beneath contempt.

And who has done that today, dumbo? Certainly not I, as you will find.

Apologies?

Not expecting.
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April 2, 2016 10:13pm
Aliog

Being called a lying shithead by ugly is up there in terms of compliments 🙂 Still a big hole in the centre of the earth, ugly?? Bahahahahaha!!!!
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April 2, 2016 10:13pm
Aliog

And Reid’s moved from ‘baaaah’ to ‘giggle’. On balance, I think I prefer ‘baaah’ as that always, unfailingly, signals ‘fuckwit’.
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April 2, 2016 10:15pm
Aliog

Reid, I think Mikenmild did a perfectly fair job of crushing your delusions…I even upticked one of the Stephieboys for their comments on your latest misguided attempts to avoid the reality that your National Socialists were murdering scum.
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April 2, 2016 10:19pm
UglyTruth

Still a big hole in the centre of the earth, ugly?? Bahahahahaha!!!!

It’s what happens when the Earth expands and the solid part maintains its density.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kL7qDeI05U
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April 2, 2016 10:23pm
Griff

It’s what happens when the Earth expands and the solid part maintains its density.

The same thing as happens to your brain wugly when your head expands and your brain maintains its density
Your pea rattles .

The earth is not expanding.

The earth has a mantel that behaves like a very viscous fluid.
The continental plates float on this mantel.
Its called the tectonic plate theory and is undisputed in geology nowadays.
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April 2, 2016 10:39pm
UglyTruth

The earth is not expanding.

Not fast enough for you to notice.

This video shows the age of the lithosphere. The youngest part is the mid-oceanic ridge, if you go back in time and remove the youngest areas the surface area decreases and the radius decreases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CLB5FBPWq0

Its called the tectonic plate theory and is undisputed in geology nowadays.

The problem with the theory is that the subduction areas are not large enough to match the expansion areas.
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April 2, 2016 10:48pm
Nostradamus

Griff and UglyTruth:

Its called the tectonic plate theory and is undisputed in geology nowadays.

vs

The problem with the theory

Why don’t we settle it this way? Each of you nominates 2 experts who support the tectonic plate theory (Griff) and disagree with it (UglyTruth). With supporting links of course, so the rest of us can read their arguments. The winner to be determined by popular vote.
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April 2, 2016 11:14pm
UglyTruth

Why don’t we settle it this way?

Because it’s unnecessarily complex, and voting is more about popularity than veracity.

The tectonic plate theory recognizes the existence of expansion areas and subduction areas.

If the rate of surface formation at the expansion areas does not equal the rate of surface destruction at the subduction areas then the surface area of the earth must change.

A simple examination of the age of the lithosphere shows that all of the ocean areas are expansion areas. The subduction areas are trivially small in comparison.
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April 2, 2016 11:25pm
Griff

Fractal wrongness is the state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person’s worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person’s worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
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April 3, 2016 12:13am
Shunda barunda

“Because it’s unnecessarily complex, and voting is more about popularity than veracity.

The tectonic plate theory recognizes the existence of expansion areas and subduction areas.

If the rate of surface formation at the expansion areas does not equal the rate of surface destruction at the subduction areas then the surface area of the earth must change.

A simple examination of the age of the lithosphere shows that all of the ocean areas are expansion areas. The subduction areas are trivially small in comparison.”

Ok, let’s examine this theory.

What are the theoretical mechanisms for planet expansion? We have evidence that stars can increase in volume while maintaining the same mass, but this is driven by thermonuclear reactions, usually once the star starts Helium fusion.

So what mechanism would fight against a rocky planet in a state of hydrostatic equilibrium?
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April 3, 2016 12:20am
Jim

What a fascinating conspiracy theory. Some armchair scientist studies google earth and determines the earth is expanding because of a supernatural event. This is something that remained unseen to the scientists that assembled the data that google used to make google earth.

The supernatural bit neatly explains away the need to answer all the obvious physics questions (mass, density, etc).

I’m going to raise the stakes and say that the teapot that orbits the sun somewhere between earth and mars has a hand in this shenanigans.
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April 3, 2016 12:32am
Shunda barunda

The following would appear to be the best hypothesis for an expanding earth:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Marvin_Herndon
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April 3, 2016 12:46am
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

You’re making lots of assertions, but I’d be grateful if you could nominate at least one recognised expert who agrees with you. That way, I can read their argument in their own words, which may be (I’m not saying it necessarily is) different from how you’re characterising their argument.
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April 3, 2016 1:03am
UglyTruth

What are the theoretical mechanisms for planet expansion?

Centrifugal force & local (non-inverse square law) gravity.

This video shows how a rotating fluid can form a void along the axis of rotation because of centrifugal force:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxyfiBGCwhQ

Non-inverse square law gravity is where gravity has a greater effect at the boundaries of massive objects. Two cases which demonstrate the existence of non-inverse square law gravity are the difference between the theoretical location of the neutral point between the Earth and the moon and it’s actual location, and the Tamarack mine experiment.
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April 3, 2016 6:59am
Manolo

Is the queen nervous?
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5ba783122da14454b5ef251c53d21f4c/clintons-frustration-grows-primary-race-drags

According to Democrats close to Hillary and former President Bill Clinton, both are frustrated by Sanders’ ability to cast himself as above politics-as-usual even while firing off what they consider to be misleading attacks.

The Clintons are even more annoyed that Sanders’ approach seems to be rallying — and keeping — young voters by his side.
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April 3, 2016 7:16am
Manolo

Any excuse is good:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/02/hollandes-islamist-terrorism-omitted-from-white-house-vid-technical-error-blamed.html?intcmp=hpbt1

French President Francois Hollande’s comments this week in Washington about Islamic terrorism — a term President Obama won’t use — were omitted from an official White House video.

Holland made the comments at an international summit in Washington on nuclear security that also focused largely on global terrorism.
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April 3, 2016 7:17am
stephieboy

Ugly Truth, are you gingering us up for another piece of pseudo science like your hollow earth theory.?

Meanwhile the expanding earth theory compressively debunked and in language you can readily understand ,

NO GROWING EARTH, BUT A GROWING PROBLEM WITH SCIENCE JOURNALISM

http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/11/23/no-growing-earth-but-a-growing-problem-with-science-journalism/
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April 3, 2016 7:37am
Manolo

@stephieboy: UT is about to debunk Einstein’s relativity theory. The ~~nutter~~ man is an unbound genius.
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April 3, 2016 7:49am
UglyTruth

Meanwhile the expanding earth theory compressively debunked and in language you can readily understand…

Straw man. The Japan Times theory describes an increase in planetary mass that does not happen in my theory.
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April 3, 2016 7:57am
stephieboy

Ugly Truth , then can you source influential scientists who can back up your version of expanding earth theory or any other kind of link that can take us further in the debate ?
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April 3, 2016 8:21am
Griff

Some more from rational wiki on wugly’s fractal wrongness.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
Debating a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person’s opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of poor logic, and outright lies, which requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one—kind of like a recursive Gish Gallop, where each point both surrounds and is surrounded by an equally wrong argument. It is worth noting that being fractally wrong can be handy for the losing side in a public debate, since you are likely to leave your opponent looking baffled and unable to deal with each level of wrongness.

It is as impossible to convince a fractally wrong person of anything as it is to walk around the edge of the Mandelbrot set in finite time.

While arguing with these people can be amusing at times, we suggest that if you ever get embroiled in a discussion with a fractally wrong person on the Internet—in mailing lists, newsgroups, or forums—your best bet is to say your piece once and ignore any replies, thus saving yourself time.

Professor Stephen Law has written about a form of fractal wrongness he calls “BUT IT FITS!” (otherwise known as “of course ‘they’ WOULD do that”), in which a lack of evidence for a crank idea, or even evidence that directly contradicts it, can easily be turned on its head to support the same crank theory.[2]

People who are believers in over-arching conspiracy theories often display traits of being fractally wrong, as every time you refute one of their points it can be turned into further evidence that “they” are suppressing the truth. In these cases, a complete lack of evidence for something is easily explained away as part of the conspiracy, and the lack of evidence for that is also nicely hidden. The same can be said of some believers in young earth creationism who view evidence contrary to their position as evidence of God testing their faith. There is no evidence that could be produced to convince such people that they may be wrong, and every level is nicely buffered against reality by more points in the fractal.
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April 3, 2016 8:26am
UglyTruth

RationalWiki (also known as irrational wiki) was raised in response to Conservapedia, a wiki constructed from a conservative and fundamentalist Christian viewpoint. Originally the “rational” wiki was created to refute certain errors on its rival wiki but it soon became a gathering ground for social justice warriors, liberals of all sorts and intolerant atheist bigots to spread their biased and nutty ideologies. The wiki quickly became filled with more inaccuracies than Conservapedia, the biggest errors being their articles on religion and politics (where their prime sources and citations for articles dealing with these subjects solely come from atheist and liberal sources respectively).

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RationalWiki
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April 3, 2016 9:00am
Griff

where their prime sources and citations for articles dealing with these subjects solely come from atheist and liberal sources respectively

Well done Wugly.
Reality has a liberal bias.
Does that hurt?
Liberal as in as Fletch posted above.

Science as in realty.
Academic institutions overwhelming fulled with proponents of liberal atheism.

Because when you examine reality that what you end up as.
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April 3, 2016 9:12am
EAD

Something tells me the poster “Aliog” lives a rather dull existence….

“ticking away, the moments that make up a dull day, fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way” – Pink Floyd (a band that knew the way the world works…)
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April 3, 2016 9:27am
UglyTruth

Because when you examine reality that what you end up as.

Like you when you where unable to refute my argument about the irrationality of atheism, you mean?
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April 3, 2016 9:31am
mikenmild

Has anyone ever been able to refute any of your arguments, Ugly?
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April 3, 2016 9:37am
Griff

Like you when you where unable to refute my argument about the irrationality of atheism, you mean?

Only on planet wugly
What part of your fractal wrongness dont you get…….?
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April 3, 2016 9:40am
UglyTruth

Hey Griff, can you distinguish between my alleged “fractal wrongness” and your inability to abandon the irrationality of athiesm?
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April 3, 2016 9:40am
Monique Watson

When searched NZ Herald this morning, the top results were someone dying of a heart attack, a chef getting divorced and Hickey promoting an envy tax. The quality of journalism gets worse daily. Shitarses.
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April 3, 2016 9:45am
UglyTruth

Only on planet wugly

A rational atheist must disprove the existence of deity in all possible cases where deity could conceivably exist, not just in the cases that the he has knowledge of. To do this requires omniscience, which is itself a quality ascribed to deity.

A rational theist, on the other hand, only has to prove existence of deity in the single case that he has knowledge of.
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April 3, 2016 9:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

Time for some serious science… and some serious investment in laser technology to hide us from aliens
http://mnras.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/03/30/mnras.stw672
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April 3, 2016 9:46am
Griff

I have an aversion with reinforcing your delusions as I think it is cruel to help someones decent into madness.
Atheism is the result of rationally examining the world Wugly.
Belief in god requires faith.
Faith is defined as belief without proof.
No proof for an extraordinary claim .
You prove god exists and I will believe. Proposing an infinite number of gods fails as you can not prove any of them exist any more than you can prove only one. Your proof is infinitely unsupportable .
Hence you supposed proof is actually proof that you are fractually wrong.
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April 3, 2016 10:00am
UglyTruth

Atheism is the result of rationally examining the world Wugly.

No it isn’t. A rational examination would be consistent with my 9:45

Atheists typically define atheism to be a lack of belief of existence of deity, but what they practice is belief in the non-existence of deity, which is something quite different.
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April 3, 2016 10:21am
Left Right and Centre

Hey uggers – what’s your conspiracy theory to explain no clean nappy general debate thread yet today ?
Maybe KB has got confused with Anzac Day and opening after lunchtime ?
Nah – I know sometimes they don’t happen and take a day off.
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April 3, 2016 10:30am
wiseowl

Anyone catch the puke inducing author Simon Winchester on the Nation.?
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April 3, 2016 10:37am
Manolo

@wiseowl: Why do you waste your time watching that crap? The Nation is absolute rubbish.
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April 3, 2016 10:41am
stephieboy

Manolo, is it true that a constant diet of Fox and Breitbart has shrunk your cranium with tunnel vision complications ?
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April 3, 2016 10:52am
Ross12

Here is a fascinating read on how a hacker influenced South American elections ( and he says he is 100% certain similar tactics are being used in the US elections)

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-how-to-hack-an-election/

h/t Whaleoil
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April 3, 2016 11:08am
UglyTruth

In 2006, the documentary Hacking Democracy, exposed Diebold and their role in rigging elections with their electronic voting machines.

Clinton Eugene “Clint” Curtis is an American attorney, computer programmer and ex-employee of NASA and ExxonMobil, who also exposed election hacking.

He is notable chiefly for making a series of whistleblower allegations about his former employer and about Republican Congressman Tom Feeney, including an allegation that in 2000, Feeney and Yang Enterprises requested Curtis’s assistance in a scheme to steal votes by inserting fraudulent code into touch screen voting systems.

Curtis is seen in the video below testifying under oath in front of the U.S. House Judiciary Members in Ohio.

He tells the members how he was hired by Congressman Tom Feeney in 2000 to build a prototype software package that would secretly rig an election to sway the result 51/49 to a specified side.

https://youtu.be/JEzY2tnwExs

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/03/watch-computer-programmer-testifies-under-oath-he-coded-computers-to-rig-elections.html
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April 3, 2016 11:22am
Reid

Re: hacking, of course. As Stalin said: it doesn’t matter who votes, it only matters who counts them. The roles of the candidates is only to get the polls approximately to the pre-determined position, so any “adjustments” won’t look obvious. Then of course you have unconstitutional legal weapons like the USSC ruling in Florida with Bush, just in case the chads don’t cooperate.
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April 3, 2016 11:54am
Reid

http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/10/13/hillary-clinton-is-a-monster-says-secret-service-agents/
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April 3, 2016 12:11pm
Shawn Herles

Ugly vs Griff = drooling imbecile fight.

Bring your own popcorn. 🙂
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April 3, 2016 12:14pm
wikiriwhis business

Kiwibloggers see no genuine issues that don’t affect their dividends. The right come under three major groups. Employers, share holders and landlords. some right wingers fall under all those groups. Everything is trivial to them because nothing affects them. They are protected by their Nat govt. Old Muldoon used to say economics is difficult to fathom. But I’ve hit the trifecta.
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April 3, 2016 12:18pm
UglyTruth

Ugly vs Griff = drooling imbecile fight.

Tell us again how you are omniscient, shithead.
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April 3, 2016 12:19pm
wikiriwhis business

UT…11.22

Amazing
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April 3, 2016 12:20pm
wiseowl

Manalo
True.
I came in for a coffee and was channel surfing.Wanted to see who the guy was after that interviewer said re the Pacific Ocean ‘we have treated it as a dumping ground’

I thought who the hell is he speaking for ??

Who is ‘we’?
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April 3, 2016 12:23pm
mikenmild

It seems that the good ol’ boys in Jesusland might be getting tired of laws that make it impossible for women to have an abortion, or encourage discrimination against LGBT people in the name of ‘religious freedom’. There’s a new target: people who dare to help refugees.
Legislators in South Carolina are considering a bill that would make refugee sponsor groups liable for criminal acts committed by refugees. Ironically, most refugee sponsors in the state are evangelical church groups, core supporters of the befuddled legislators.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/03/25/a-new-south-carolina-bill-might-hold-churches-liable-for-refugees-they-settle-including-their-crimes/
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April 3, 2016 1:06pm
cha

The Donald has ruled out entitlement cuts, promised $10t in tax cuts and reckons he’s going to pay down $19t debt in 8 years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-turmoil-or-triumph-donald-trump-stands-alone/2016/04/02/8c0619b6-f8d6-11e5-a3ce-f06b5ba21f33_story.html?postshare=6561459637742585&tid=ss_tw
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April 3, 2016 1:06pm
mikenmild

cha
I was just reading an account of how Trump takes advice on foreign policy:

‘I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain, and I’ve said a lot of things,” …
“I know what I’m doing, and I listen to a lot of people. I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time, I’ll tell you who the people are, but I speak to a lot of people, but my primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this.”
It seems he must be taking the same approach to fiscal policy.
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April 3, 2016 1:11pm
Reid

Quite a good question raised here. Since ISIS is being decimated in Syria and Iraq isn’t a home for it either, will the West give it Lebanon, so it can keep its hatchling alive, deny Hezbollah its homeland and so ISIS can continue as a threat to Syria. All Israel needs to do is invade the South which would fully occupy all of Hezbollah, leaving the North wide open for an ISIS occupation. The only thing potentially stopping such a move is Russia and Iran.

Ah the West. Vicious, murderous swine, aren’t we. And if you don’t place yourself in that category, then how about you start objecting to what our leaders do because the only people who don’t see it are you sheeple, the rest of the world sees it perfectly clearly.

http://journal-neo.org/2016/04/02/will-lebanon-be-handed-over-to-isis/
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April 3, 2016 1:14pm
cha

Mkie

With Walid Phares on his team what could possibly go wrong?.

While Phares is not implicated with any direct role in acts of violence and criminality, he was a key thinker and actor in an environment of tremendous atrocity. The most gruesome incident came in 1982, when Phalangist, or right-wing Christian, militia carried out the slaughter of hundreds of Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites in Beirut’s Sabra and Shatila refugee camps.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/03/22/the-dark-controversial-past-of-trumps-counterterrorism-adviser/
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April 3, 2016 1:15pm
cha

Elsewhere in Jesusland….

“Scientific research and developments and advances in the last 100 years — particularly the last 15, 20, 10 years — have validated the biblical story of creation,” the freshman state senator said.

Milkovich, who is the vice chairman of the Senate Education Committee, said archeologists and scientists have verified the origin story of the Christian Bible. He said archeologists had found the remnants of Noah’s ark recently. A study of rocks had verified that the earth was created in a week, Milkovich said.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/watch_a_louisiana_senator_advo.html
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April 3, 2016 1:17pm
Nookin

Wiki, your silly desire to engage in point scoring puts you very much in the same idiotic group as Moroney et al.

For the record Goff and Clark were both into property in a big way, as I expect is a number of other lefties.

Anyone who has an interest in a Kiwisaver scheme is, indirectly, a shareholder and has a very real interest in dividends. They probably have an interest in the property market, also. That leaves employers. Are you saying that being an employer is a status exclusively reserved for the right?

Still, nice to know that the National Government, by your own definition, looks after everyone’s interests.
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April 3, 2016 1:19pm
mikenmild

BTW, when I said they might be getting tired of the War on Women in Jesusland, I didn’t mean it. Arizona now has a law requiring doctors to adhere to an outdated protocol for administering an abortifacient, because the FDA’s new protocol (better and safer for women) is not as restrictive.
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April 3, 2016 1:23pm
wikiriwhis business

The establishment of an Auckland court which only deals with homeless people, and sentences them to treatment rather than jail, has seen a 60 per cent drop in reoffending.

The New Beginnings Court was established as a two year pilot in November 2010 in response to repeated appearances of homeless people charged with low level offending.

Since then 38 people have gone through the court, which is held for half a day each month, and preliminary results show the drop in reoffending.

A comprehensive review of the court’s success is to be done by August and will examine rehabilitation in terms of health, alcohol and drug usage, tenancy and financial stability.

Yesterday the council’s Social and Community Development Forum heard an update on the court as part of an overview of homelessness across Auckland.

There have been suggestions the court should be combined with the new Alcohol and Drug Treatment Courts administered by the Ministry of Justice.

This option is to be considered but the Auckland Homeless Steering Group, which includes council, government and community representatives, wants to keep the courts separate.

The group said evidence from similar “therapeutic courts” in Australia and the United States show they are more effective when targeted to one group.

Funding for the court, which only required one new full-time employee, is provided through social welfare agencies.

The scheme was the brainchild of Lifewise, an Auckland-based community organisation providing services to families in need, the homeless, elderly and the disabled.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7019494/Homeless-court-rehabilitates-offenders

Results that are proven to work.

This blog is well behind the times or they would recognise society is finding results
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April 3, 2016 1:26pm
Reid

And here’s a primer on how the West carved up the ME, installed friendly satraps into all the strategic areas (i.e. those with the oil) and made it possible to steal that region’s resources for pennies on the dollar, with the pennies going not to the people who owned the freakin stuff, but to the satraps the evil murderous bastards installed.

https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/gcc-rockefellerrothschild-puppet-monarchy/#more-260
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April 3, 2016 1:29pm
wikiriwhis business

“For the record Goff and Clark were both into property in a big way, as I expect is a number of other lefties. ”

I don’t vote Labour either

Scuttle the Nat/Lab coalition
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April 3, 2016 1:36pm
tom hunter

Meanwhile in Hillary land the pressure is beginning to tell, Clinton’s frustration grows, as primary race drags on:

Hillary Clinton snapped at a Greenpeace protester. She linked Bernie Sanders and tea party Republicans. And she bristled with anger when nearly two dozen Sanders supporters marched out of an event near her home outside New York City, shouting “if she wins, we lose.”
…
Actress Rosario Dawson’s 15-minute speech at a New York City rally on Thursday, in which she rallied the crowd by crying “shame on you, Hillary” and noted that Clinton could soon face an FBI interview over the email controversy while at the State Department, underscored the growing tensions between the campaigns.
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Clinton hopes that big victories in New York on April 19 and five Northeastern states a week later will allow her to wrap up the nomination by the end of the month.

But aides acknowledge that Sanders, who’s raised $109 million this year and has pledged to take his campaign to the party convention in July, is unlikely to feel significant political or financial pressure to drop out of the race, even if it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination.
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Clinton is more reliant on traditional fundraising than is Sanders, who’s raised the bulk of his money online. Even as she prepares for New York’s primary, she has scheduled fundraisers before then in Denver, Virginia, Miami and Los Angeles — at the home of actor George Clooney.

She needs to continue raising primary dollars because June contests in California and New Jersey will be expensive. Sanders faces fewer financial anxieties.

Awwww – and I thought Clooney was a real left-winger. Shame on him. And it’s beyond funny that it’s Sanders with lower financial axieties: just goes to show you what can happen to a socialist who’s given lots of other people’s money.
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April 3, 2016 1:37pm
wikiriwhis business

WHY Mr Key ??????????

In the Last 8 years John Key has bought in 500,000 immigrants to New Zealand.

He Cant even provide for the Kiwis already here !!!

Too many people are waiting for hip and knee joint replacements in public hospitals and the problem won’t go away, Arthritis New Zealand says.

There are more people wanting hip and knee joint replacements than can be managed by District Health Boards despite the health target for elective surgery being met, or exceeded, by all but three of the 20 DHBs, says the organisation’s chief executive Sandra Kirby.

She was commenting after a New Zealand Medical Journal article highlighted the problem and said patients were now more severely disabled than in 2006.

Incidence of osteoarthritis is increasing, and the age of diagnosis is dropping, Ms Kirby says.

“While we acknowledge the increase in hip and knee replacements for people with osteoarthritis under funding increases for elective surgery the demand continues to outstrip the capacity of the DHBs,” she said.

The journal article looked at patients in Otago and found patients currently being returned to a GP would have qualified for publicly-funded surgery between 2006 and 2010.

https://www.facebook.com/1030229336994862/photos/a.1202237589794035.1073741827.1030229336994862/1244604752223985/?type=3&theater
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April 3, 2016 1:42pm
tom hunter

But of course The Donald is still the no. 1 piece of prime laugh material. The other day I put up this recent quote:

“And you’ll find that when you become very successful, the people that you will like best are the people that are less successful than you, because when you go to a table you can tell them all of these wonderful stories, and they’ll sit back and listen,”
…
“Does that make sense to you? OK? Always be around unsuccessful people because everybody will respect you. Do you understand that?”

And then had a laugh at his foreign policy team. But it gets funnier. Even though he beat Ted Cruz in Louisiana, Cruz will have ten more delegates than Trump. That’s because Cruz’s team knew the strange district-by-district rules of the state better than Trump’s team. Cue the usual reaction as Trump’s legal team is arguing that this happened at a “secret meeting.”

One big wrinkle: Mr. Trump’s two Louisiana state co-chairmen both attended the “secret meeting” – which was in fact a gathering at the Louisiana state GOP convention March 12, according to Jason Doré, the state party’s executive director.

So Trump went to see the Republican National Committee Chairman, Reince Priebus, to have a big whine and snivel about how unfair this all is – because that’s what winners do. Unfortunately:

When the discussion turned to the wrangling of delegates to the party’s nominating convention in Cleveland this July — an issue that has dogged Mr. Trump and his skeletal campaign organization for months — Mr. Priebus explained that states all had different rules governing how they were selected.
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But when Mr. Priebus explained that each campaign needed to be prepared to fight for delegates at each state’s convention, Mr. Trump turned to his aides and suggested that they had not been doing what they needed to do, the people briefed on the meeting said.

BAAAAAWWWW HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No shit Donald, you want to be “around unsuccessful people because everybody will respect you”, then you have to face the fact that it means you’re hiring morons and you have no right to be surprised when they act like …. well, morons.
Brilliant. Genius. A Great Leader of Great Leadership abilities who will hire the Smartest People Ever – like Obama did.

I swear the time is fast approaching when Trump is going either go full Obama and start talking about Smart Power – or full Charlie SHeen and start muttering about tiger blood and “winner”.
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April 3, 2016 1:48pm
RF

Article in Stuff about criminal deportees from Australia. I know that these criminals are of mixed races however Stuff have identified and named two that are Maori. They claim to be hard done by but FFS if they commit offences in Aussie that puts them in the slammer for more than 12 months what can they expect. A one way ticket home.

If they want to blame someone they should look in a mirror. Now we will have to pick up the pieces as these nice people are creatures of habbit and will be offending again as has been recently proven.
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April 3, 2016 1:52pm
tom hunter

Oh – and since there was some comment made the other day about how The Donald will reform the cesspit of Washington D.C. – like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were going to “drain the swamp”, I can also not resist this piece of juicy news:

Roger Stone ‎@RogerJStoneJr

Yuge ! @realDonaldTrump recruits the best convention vote counter in the GOP to his Cleveland operation

Which links to an NYT article reporting the addition to the team of one Paul Manafort. There’s just a couple of problems:

A senior aide to Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump helped a scandal-plagued Ukrainian oligarch with ties to political and criminal figures in Russia park millions of dollars in offshore real estate investments, according to documents released as part of a federal racketeering suit.

The lawsuit, brought by former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, accused U.S. political consultant Paul Manafort of complicity in a complex scheme of retaliation against Tymoshenko and her political allies for impeding the business interests of Ukrainian gas tycoon Dmitry Firtash.
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Tymoshenko claimed that CMZ and other Manafort-run firms were backed not just by Firtash but also by Semion Mogilevich, a Ukrainian national deeply involved in Russian organized crime. Tymoshenko’s lawsuit referred to Mogilevich as a “silent partner” in Group DF.

Mogilevich is “involved in weapons trafficking, contract murders, extortion, drug trafficking, and prostitution on an international scale,” according to the FBI.

In a meeting with the American ambassador to Ukraine in late 2008, Firtash “acknowledged ties to Russian organized crime figure Seymon Mogilevich, stating he needed Mogilevich’s approval to get into business in the first place,” according to a State Department cable released by Wikileaks.

“Firtash acknowledged that he needed, and received, permission from Mogilievich when he established various businesses, but he denied any close relationship to him,” according to the cable.

Firtash is currently wanted by the FBI, which has sought to extradite him to the U.S. on bribery charges since his 2014 apprehension in Austria.

and…

In 1989, Manafort was hauled in front of a congressional panel for allegedly working to steer funds from the Department of Housing and Urban Development into a slum-like New Jersey real estate development. Manafort, caused a stir then on the Hill with a tart defense of his profession. “You might call it influence-peddling,” he said, according to reports. “I call it lobbying.”

Trump will reform the system – with the help of a political fixing asshole who “lobbies” with the best of them and has strong ties to the Russian mob and various dictators.

As an old American workmate of mine once said out in California: “Fucked – and Re-fucked”.
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April 3, 2016 1:57pm
cha

The forced birthing jihadis in Utah have decided women who terminate their pregnancies will be punished by having their lives endangered.

Many doctors in Utah and across the country are concerned that the requirement could increase the health risks to women by giving them unnecessary heavy sedation in order to protect a fetus from pain that it may or may not feel.

Dr. Sean Esplin of Intermountain Healthcare in Utah said anesthesia or an analgesic would need to go through the woman in order to reach the fetus. Doctors could give a woman general anesthesia, which would make her unconscious and likely require a breathing tube, or a heavy dose of narcotics.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/db360dd2f6864af0bd204caba38d213a/utah-governor-eyes-bill-requiring-abortion-anesthesia
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April 3, 2016 2:05pm
Jim

“And you’ll find that when you become very successful, the people that you will like best are the people that are less successful than you, because when you go to a table you can tell them all of these wonderful stories, and they’ll sit back and listen,”
…
“Does that make sense to you? OK? Always be around unsuccessful people because everybody will respect you. Do you understand that?”

Isn’t that also his campaign strategy? He’s pitched it at Dumbfuckistan and they’re lapping it up: “you can tell them all of these wonderful stories, and they’ll sit back and listen”
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April 3, 2016 2:07pm
stephieboy

Reid , your link link takes us to some fascinating places . From your current one,

St. Michael’s Prayer against evil

http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/prayer-to-st-michael/

Was the Archangel one of the first to get the low down on the evil machinations of the Illuminati ?
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April 3, 2016 2:08pm
Reid

April 19: Temple Of Baal In New York Is Going Up Same Day The Blood Sacrifice To The Beast Begins

No, it’s not referring to Killary, though one could be forgiven for assuming such.

There’s one going up in London same day.

April 19th is the first day of a 13 day period of time known as “the Blood Sacrifice to the Beast” that culminates on the high occult holy day of Beltane on May 1st. In some parts of the world, Beltane is much better known as “May Day”, and it has been described as the “Illuminati’s second most sacred holiday”. As you will see below, we have indeed witnessed a disturbing series of “blood sacrifices” during the second half of April in recent years, and many people wonder if there is a connection.April 19th is also known as “the Feast of Moloch”. If you are not familiar with “Moloch” or “Molech”, it is an ancient Canaanite god that is repeatedly denounced in the Old Testament. Child sacrifice was a key feature of the worship of Moloch, and a giant statue of this pagan deity is set up at the Bohemian Grove in northern California every year.

http://acrookedpath.com/2016/03/30/april-19-temple-baal-new-york-going-day-blood-sacrifice-beast-begins/

Moloch is of course also on the US 1 dollar bill, top right hand corner.
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April 3, 2016 2:34pm
wikiriwhis business

Bernard Hickey: How Kiwis get rich

This is productivity and is what eventually increases real wages and supports the prices of assets we own. That’s why the Government keeps banging on through its Business Growth Agenda about growing businesses that invest in their people and technology to produce exports.

It’s why the Productivity Commission has beavered away for the past five years investigating why our productivity performance has been so poor over the past 50 years and what could be done about it.

It’s still early days, but the Government has yet to really drink the Productivity Commission’s Kool Aid. A bunch of its recommendations around competition policy, social services, land use planning and international freight have yet to be adopted, or have been allowed to quietly wither on the policy-making vine.

This is all showing through in the statistics for GDP, wages and in the gap between New Zealand and the rest of the world. Last week Statistics New Zealand reported labour productivity grew 0.3 per cent in the year to March 2015, well below the already anaemic long-run average of 1.4 per cent from 1996-2015. For comparison, Australia’s average over that period was 2.2 per cent.

Australia had a capital to labour ratio – which measures how much technology businesses use and train their staff to use – of 4 per cent over the period. New Zealand’s was 1.7. This is why Australia’s wages are 30 per cent higher than ours.

All this is showing through in our real income per capita, which fell 0.4 per cent in the 2015 year, despite a 2.5 per cent rise in total GDP for the year.

We added more people working longer hours and plenty of natural resources with a bit more capital, but didn’t actually produce much more per person per hour worked.

Business investment fell 1.1 per cent in the December quarter and rose just 0.9 per cent from a year ago.

It’s the same old story. New Zealand has avoided tough decisions on taxation, investment and competition and has bought growth by adding more resources – people, hours, land and water. We’re not working much smarter or using technology to make us richer.

The economy is getting bigger, but productivity has stalled. That is not a recipe to make everyone richer in the long run.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11615870&ref=NZH_FBpage
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April 3, 2016 2:53pm
UglyTruth

Moloch is of course also on the US 1 dollar bill, top right hand corner.

MLK (Hebrew מלכ) ends with the letter kaf, which is one of the double letters of Hebrew with the dual meaning of life and death. The positive meaning of the Hebrew word is king. With kingship being the origin of the ideal of sovereignty, Moloch is associated with false sovereignty or a ruler who brings death.

But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch [מלכ] and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus …
Amos 5:26-27
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April 3, 2016 2:57pm
Reid

For the past generation NATO and the Pentagon have been following a strategy developed by Zbigniew Brzezinski, a Polish-American immigrant who became the national security adviser of the USA under President Carter and has continued to play a prominent role in public affairs since then.

The Brzezinski Plan included encouraging the independence of Ukraine in order to prevent the resurrection of Imperial Russia, as well as encouraging the expansion of NATO into the Baltic states. Brzezinski’s end game is to partition Russia into three smaller countries to ensure that Russia never rises again.

While there has been no “hot war” for most of the past twenty five years, the USA has been militarily encircling Russia like a python, slowly squeezing in on Russia’s borders with NATO.

The sleeping bear was allowed to lie, until 2013 when Russia came back onto the international stage. Obama had planned to invade Syria on the
pretext that Assad had used chemical weapons. Putin unexpectedly stepped in and negotiated for Syria to destroy its entire chemical weapons stockpile. This stopped the planned US invasion. In response to this embarrassing diplomatic defeat, Obama activated the Euromaiden project, which had been planned for years. Russia could not be allowed to interfere with the American hegemon, so Obama targeted Russia’s weak underbelly of Ukraine.

Since the start of Euromaidan, Obama has borrowed a script from the playbook of Ronald Reagan that was used to bankrupt the Soviet Union in the late 1980s. This plan included negotiating a collapse in oil prices with the Saudis in order to reduce Russia’s primary source of income, getting Russia bogged down in a military quagmire (Afghanistan), and attacking the Ruble in the currency markets. This time Ukraine was substituted for Afghanistan, but the basic plan remains the same.

Coming out of the economic collapse of the 1990’s, Russia had been regaining her international political and military strength. However, she finds herself massively outspent by the USA and NATO. Facing a similar triple play against her that was used successfully against the Soviet Union in the past, Russia has hunkered down to survive the economic sanctions and currency manipulation, and limited her military engagements to the minimum necessary to slow down or disrupt the NWO agenda in Ukraine and Syria.

Russia’s activities in Ukraine and Syria, and diplomatic leadership in organizing the BRICS development bank as an alternative to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) are signs of a determination not to be snuffed out by the New World Order.

This time the outcome of the US economic war on Russia may be very different from 1991. Russia has been actively challenging the “petrodollar”, which is the use of the US dollar as the primary currency for buying energy and precious metals. This is America’s greatest strength as well as its greatest weakness. The petrodollar allows the US Federal Reserve to create virtually unlimited amounts of money that other countries trade for, so they can buy energy. This forces the rest of the world to subsidize the American economy.

By organizing the BRICS bank and using Russian oil money to buy gold, Putin is attacking the petrodollar. With a large gold stockpile to back the Ruble, Russia is in a very different position than in 1991. It is the USA that is overextended this time around.

It remains to be seen whether the deep state will succeed at dismantling Russia. Every passing day that objective becomes more difficult as the powers behind the NWO face their own debt crises…

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/nwo-plan-dismantle-russia/ri13604#
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April 3, 2016 2:59pm
wikiriwhis business

Christine Cheyne: Environment big loser in pact

hat will the likely impact of the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) be on our “100% Pure” brand, central to tourism and a significant driver of economic growth?

International tourism tallied $11.8 billion (just under 20 per cent) of New Zealand’s total exports in the year ended March 2015, exceeded only by export receipts from dairy products (just over 20 per cent).

The TPPA’s chapter on the relationship between trade and the environment starts well. There is recognition of the importance of “mutually supportive trade and environmental policies and practices to improve environmental protection in the furtherance of sustainable development.”

But there is no consensus on what “sustainable development” means. True, it is underpinned by the idea that our social, economic and environmental well-being must be in balance, and not compromised for future generations. But there is no unambiguous legal definition, nor any legal mechanism for resolving conflicting social, economic and environmental priorities.

International environmental law specialist at the University of Auckland, Professor Klaus Bosselmann, says: “Sustainable development resists definition and avoids the hard questions, which is precisely why it has become so popular among governments.”

The TPPA recognises the connection between conservation and trade. It requires parties to “adopt, maintain, and implement” the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES), which aims to prevent international trade in endangered wild animals and plants. However, rather than prohibiting illegal harvest and trade in wild plants and animals, it talks about the importance of combating these activities. It’s a light-handed approach, with non-committal words. There is discretion for members to “exercise administrative, investigatory and enforcement discretion” in dealing with suspected violations of CITES.

While recognising the importance of indigenous environmental knowledge and management practices, the TPPA also refers to the importance of facilitating access to genetic resources. But it is unclear how it aligns with the 1993 Mataatua Declaration on Cultural and Intellectual Property Rights of Indigenous Peoples, which recognises the rights of indigenous peoples to give consent to companies, governments and other public and private institutions wishing to undertake experiments or commercialisation of any biogenetic resources.

Although the TPPA addresses marine capture fisheries, strangely, it excludes aquaculture. It notes the importance of the fisheries sector to the economic development of countries, including their sustainable management. But, again, there is discretion and a lack of binding rules (such as banning of commercial whaling and shark fin trade).

he TPPA requires the removal of subsidies for fishing of overfished species but, as pointed out by the US Center for International Environmental Law, “the lack of binding enforcement measures significantly undermines efforts to promote long-term marine conservation.”

Overall, the TPPA’s chapter on the environment is weak. Many provisions are framed as “best endeavour efforts” which can be easily neglected. Strong and binding rules are needed to restore, protect and enhance marine, aquatic and terrestrial biodiversity. It is likely that the TPPA’s rules will be too feeble to have an impact and it remains unclear how they will be enforced.

The USA’s environmental organisation, the Sierra Club, argues that the chapter is “essentially meaningless”.

Among its more highly publicised and contentious elements are the Investor State Dispute Settlement provisions, which allow international companies to sue governments for making decisions that threaten their profits.

Recently, Canada and Germany’s governments have been sued for placing restrictions on coal burning, and temporarily banning hydraulic fracturing.

These are more than just ominous signs that the TPPA may end up undermining government efforts to protect the environment.

Promoting sustainable development requires some hard choices to ensure the economic growth goal of the TPPA does not compromise the environment. The agreement provides little reassurance in this respect.

As independent analysis by Simon Terry, executive director for the Sustainability Council of New Zealand demonstrates, the environment is a “significant casualty” under the TPPA.

– Christine Cheyne is Associate Professor, Resource and Environmental Planning programme at Massey University.
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April 3, 2016 3:01pm
stephieboy

Reid, so America can be blamed for the current oil glut on the international market which is helping us enjoy cheaper petrol prices at the pump . But not helping Russia’s economic mainstay which is of course oil and gas.

You and the Kremlin controlled media may like to describe it as a conspiracy however the truth is it is simply supply and demand . Less xenophobia and sabre rattling by Putin might stop especially the EU countries sourcing their oil and gas else where .

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/business/energy-environment/oil-prices.html

Alternative sources for the EU ,

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/uk-sketches-out-europe-s-energy-alternatives-to-russia/
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April 3, 2016 3:24pm
Shunda barunda

The forced birthing jihadis in Utah have decided women who terminate their pregnancies will be punished by having their lives endangered.

Can’t they just partially birth the babies head, jam a spike in the back of its skull, and suck the brain out with a suction device instead?

Oh….
Wait…

They do that now.

My bad.
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April 3, 2016 3:26pm
Shawn Herles

“April 19: Temple Of Baal In New York Is Going Up Same Day The Blood Sacrifice To The Beast Begins”

LMAO!!! 🙂
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April 3, 2016 3:32pm
tom hunter

…jam a spike in the back of its skull…

If they’re willing to do that you’d think the least they could do would be to insert the smaller, hollow spike of an anasthetic needle first so the poor little bastard doesn’t feel any pain.

Unless you’re talking aboutjust a clump of cells of course, because that’s what fetuses are, no?

You can see why Gosnell felt so immune and empowered to commit all those murders in his blood-drenched clinic – and even then he didn’t get as much media coverage as Jimmy Saville did in death. He must have felt a little cheated, but the narrative must roll on.
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April 3, 2016 3:35pm
Shawn Herles

KB has become a loon fest. Between drooling liberals like mm and cha and the Tin Foil Hat club spouting retarded crap, KB is a wasteland.
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