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Manolo

Another undeniable socialist triumph:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/04/27/venezuela-public-workers-get-5-day-weekend-full-salary-and-extra-time-for-food/?intcmp=hplnws

After President Nicolas Maduro’s announcement that public offices in Venezuela will now open only Mondays and Tuesdays, many employees are saying they will use the time off to stand in the crawling food lines that have become a common sight throughout the country.

Employees will see no changes in their salary, Maduro said during the televised announcement.
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April 28, 2016 7:23pm
Scott Chris

dirty harry (714 comments) says:
April 28th, 2016 at 7:20 pm
“Was a big, nasty homosexual mean to you once?”

and his name was scottchris

Ahh, here’s my stalker right on cue. He’s really desperately in love with me but doesn’t know how to express himself properly.

Not interested Starbore, now get back collecting those trollies like your Gore Countdown manager told you 🙂
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April 28, 2016 7:24pm
Scott Chris

mikenmild (21,155 comments) says:
April 28th, 2016 at 7:22 pm
Scott
It is pretty well established that there was no such census

Thanks for blowing my trap. (no doubt starbore will read something into that and get jealous)

Okay, how about shepherds never watching their flocks by night in December – the weather’s too shitty.
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April 28, 2016 7:25pm
mikenmild

Hi D4J
I was wondering whether a discussion of your close relationships might help would your therapy. We can make this easy with multiple-choice questions:

1. How would you describe your relationship with your children?

a. Non-existent
b. Close and loving, but absolutely normal
c. A little strained
d. Conducted under supervision
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April 28, 2016 7:27pm
Scott Chris

dad4justice (7,508 comments) says:
April 28th, 2016 at 7:21 pm
How’s Norma tonight mm?

How’s your probation officer Dad4RestrainingOrders?
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April 28, 2016 7:30pm
dad4justice

So Norma has Grotty Chris and mouldymike staying at the Bates Motel tonight.
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April 28, 2016 7:32pm
stigie

Still trying to get some sordid comments for your sordid book Dad..?
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April 28, 2016 7:36pm
Griff

Kimbo my point is Christianity is not the root of our culture that is a belief that conservative often come out with that ignores so much of who we are .
Yes Christianity obviously played a part for the thousand years it was dominant.
A hell of a lot of our present culture is not from the Christian tradition as represented by the beliefs and practices of the church of Rome three hundred years age. it also has vestiges left over from pre christian Europe and important roots in the geek and roman philosophy’s pre Christianity.
The reformation you have said was importent when we rejected Rome for a belief system based more on the actual bible than catholic tradition .
As that laid the grounds for the enlightenment when we rejected gods unchanging words for rational inquiry into our world .
To say we are a judo christian culture ignores so much of our past and our present as to be an empty claim .
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April 28, 2016 7:39pm
Scott Chris

dad4justice (7,509 comments) says:
April 28th, 2016 at 7:32 pm
So Norma has Grotty Chris and mouldymike staying at the Bates Motel tonight.

Think you know a lot more about Master Bates’ Motel than I do Dad4RestrainingOrders…..
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April 28, 2016 7:40pm
mikenmild

Perhaps it would be more accurate that we are a Judeo-Christian/Greek/Roman/Celtic/Saxon/Norse culture, with a little bit of Maori too.
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April 28, 2016 7:42pm
cha

The Donald really will have to up his game if he wants to keep up with this psycho.

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Philippine presidential frontrunner Rodrigo Duterte has joked about his penis and vowed to pardon himself for mass murder, as he took his profanity-laced campaign to the nation’s business elite.

Mr Duterte also hit out again at key Philippine allies the United States and Australia, after warning last week he would be prepared to sever diplomatic ties because their ambassadors spoke out against a joke he made about raping a missionary who was later murdered.

Mr Duterte has shocked the political establishment in recent weeks, surging to a clear lead in opinion surveys before the May 9 election with a campaign full of swear words and promises to end crime by killing tens of thousands of criminals.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-28/philippine-candidate-rodrigo-duterte-vows-murder-pardon/7365436
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April 28, 2016 7:43pm
Captain Mainwaring

Shit, this place is a lot more fun when Penny is here to have the piss taken out of her.
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April 28, 2016 7:46pm
Scott Chris

This just in:

Marrying Gore couple hire Starbore and his helicopter for their big day. Skip to 1 min 20 secs for the action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-0MA6QNj6g
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April 28, 2016 7:51pm
Griff

Captain Mainwaring
You are a glass half empty sort of guy are you not .
KB general debate is what we make it .
Why dont you add some threads that others enjoy partaking in rather than nightly moaning it is not exactly as you would want it
You never know it might help to expand your horizons or even better those of some one else .
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April 28, 2016 7:51pm
Kimbo

@ Awww C-mon

Kimbo, if I may trouble you. I’d like your thoughts on the annihilation theory.

TIA

Sorry to hijack the G.D with a G.O.D question everyone else, but it is a quiet night…

No problem. These are my thoughts:

1. Unlike key doctrines such as the Incarnation, Death and Resurrection of Christ (that were especially hammered out and formalised by the Church in the 4th and 5th Centuries AD), and the doctrines of grace (particularly formalised during the Reformation), what one believes concerning an immortal soul vs annihilation (and the other side of the ‘annihilation’ coin, ‘conditional immortality’) it is not “crucial” for salvation. Those who believe in annihilation are not heretics. Indeed, some Christian groups such as the Seventh Day Adventists and Church of Christ Life and Advent affirm variations on annihilation as a formal doctrine (Jehovah’s Witnesses also do – but they are heretics for other reasons related to the “tests” I mentioned above.

2. Personally, I actually tend towards it, or more precisely I’m not convinced the doctrine of an immortal soul is as strong as the majority of the Church has affirmed for some 1500 years or so. Put it this way – the New Testament highlights so strongly the life to be experienced at the Resurrection, that the “in between period” after death and before that final Resurrection is sort of passed over. There are intimations in II Corinthians 5 about the intermediate state, but Paul may be conflating his death with the final resurrection.

3. Indeed I’m not sure the Scriptures are that strong on the “doctrine of an immortal soul” at all – no matter what Protestant confessions may say. References in the book of Revelation/Apocalypse to “everlasting death” and “the smoke of their torment ascending for ever and ever” occur within a genre that is deliberately highly figurative. Also, Jesus’ use of the same language and imagery, drawing upon Jewish traditions – including the story/parable(?) of the Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16 also seem to be accessing a similar apocalyptic tradition. Which is why I don’t think there are literal “pearly gates” as the “city of God/Jerusalem descending from above described in Revelation chapter 21 and 22 is an extended analogy – IMHO.

4. I also think there is merit in the argument that a loving God would not torment people for all eternity (btw, bear in mind as a Protestant I reject doctrines such as limbo and purgatory). So Hitler is resurrected at the end of the age along with all the rest of us, and is judged righteously by God. What form will that take? Don’t know for sure, but as God is righteous and wise, his judgement will be just…as it will be for everyone. As I say, I think destruction in the lake of fire is an analogy that nonetheless warns us…whatever else awaits us at the final judgement, make sure you have done whatever you have to do to enjoy the blessings of eternity with Christ…because whatever awaits those who have not, you don’t want to be in their place.

5. Which means, whatever else, the doctrine of God’s judgement, whether it is annihilation of…whatever, it is revealed to the righteous…to remind them of the need for humility and vigilance. There but for the grace of God go I.

But I wouldn’t dismiss out of hand the doctrine of the immortal soul/conscious existence after death, both in the intermediate state and after the Final Judgement.
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April 28, 2016 7:51pm
tom hunter

Just thought some of you might care to read this – and perhaps give it some thought:
10 Things You Should Never Say To Someone With A Mental Illness
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April 28, 2016 7:52pm
nasska

Self Delusion for Beginners:

Essentially, it is generally agreed that these four issues are central to the human experience.

We are going to die
We are alone
We have to make choices
Life is meaningless

Every belief system in human history has a means of confronting these existential crises:

We are going to die (No you’re not – You have eternal life!)
We are alone (Church community… God/Jesus/Allah always with me!)
We have to make choices (No matter what happens, I can always turn to God…..everything is in His hands)
Life is meaningless (Black & white morality, right & wrong…..God has a purpose for me)

Gullible doesn’t even start to describe anyone who really believes the crap.
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April 28, 2016 8:06pm
Kimbo

@ nasska

Life is meaningless

Yet you don’t really live your life like that, no matter what your reasoning process tells you. Which, if nothing else suggests your belief system is – at one point at least – existentially nonviable.
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April 28, 2016 8:09pm
Scott Chris

Captain Mainwaring (1,395 comments) says:
April 28th, 2016 at 7:46 pm
Shit, this place is a lot more fun when Penny is here to have the piss taken out of her.

Oh cheer up Mainwaring, here’s some comedy to titillate you and the rest of Dad’s Army.

Cardinal Puff
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April 28, 2016 8:16pm
nasska

….”Yet you don’t really live your life like that, no matter what your reasoning process tells you”….

I reckon I do. Work, breed, shit & die…..ashes to ashes etc. Stop trying to delude yourself that when you die your soul will flop out of your body like a half pissed chook to fly up & perch on the chosen cloud.

I’m not unhappy about the inevitability of death nor am I at all joyous….just taking a realistic stance.
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April 28, 2016 8:17pm
RF

Dear God. What are they smoking over on the standard. Apparently Stephen Joyce is now terrified of Cunners. In his dreams….

Cunners the chameleon is trying to polish up his image after some of the left want him back. Hope angry is aware of this.

I suspect Micky Savages fingerprints are all over the second coming of Cunners as his dreams of power are still bubbling away.
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April 28, 2016 8:25pm
Griff

Censor’s office backs ban on offensive Wicked Campers designs
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79413244/Chief-Censor-backs-ban-on-offensive-Wicked-Campers-designs

The banned vehicles depict a cartoon of the Cat in the Hat with drug paraphernalia, Snow White about to snort cocaine and Shaggy and Scooby Doo about to smoke marijuana.

Are they going to ban coke a cola next?
At lest they dint get all Patricia Bartlett and ban the filthy ones .
Though some will be twittering about the sex references any minute now
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April 28, 2016 8:28pm
Awww C-mon

Thanks Kimbo, very much what I had been thinking, just way more eloquent and intelligent!

I had mixed reports on if it was a ‘heretics’ concept. It certainly seems to suit the nature of God to my mind but like you say, no matter what we think we know, we will be surprised!
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April 28, 2016 8:33pm
Kimbo

@ nasska

….”Yet you don’t really live your life like that, no matter what your reasoning process tells you”….

I reckon I do. Work, breed, shit & die…..ashes to ashes etc. Stop trying to delude yourself that when you die your soul will flop out of your body like a half pissed chook to fly up & perch on the chosen cloud.

I’m not unhappy about the inevitability of death nor am I at all joyous….just taking a realistic stance.

Whether you have described what is realistic after death – and how we should therefore live before it – I’m not so sure. And as you haven’t experienced death, and then come back to tell us about it, excuse me if I don’t acknowledge your specialist expertise.

Nonetheless, I’ll press the point as you seem to be (deliberately?) avoiding it – you don’t consistently and unremittingly treat your family, friends, work and life passions and interests as…(to quote you) “meaningless”. Indeed, no matter what their bravado no one does even with trivial things. They invest them with time and effort. So, as per my point, your philosophy is logically inconsistent and also existentially unviable. So therefore, I don’t see the basis for your confidently proclamation that it is (to quote you again) “a realistic stance”. Put it this way – when Eastern religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism claim material existence is similarly “illusory” (which is sort of like your claim of “meaningless”), they run into the same objection.

Admittedly that doesn’t make my alternative automatically right. But then as you seem to be only good at playing offense, it may be time to place you under the blow-torch and see if you are adept at defense. Or at least tap you on the shoulder and question your claim to a hands-down win before you go doing an extended victory lap 😉
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April 28, 2016 8:36pm
dirty harry

two maori fullas , whetu and rangi sitting in a Holden..whos driving ?
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April 28, 2016 8:48pm
dirty harry

…The Police….LMFAO !!!
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April 28, 2016 8:48pm
nasska

….”Whether you have described what is realistic after death I’m not so sure. As you haven’t experienced it, and then come back to tell us about it, excuse me if I don’t acknowledge your specialist expertise. “….

I would point out that your sects have built a faith, dozens of bureaucracies & denied mortal happiness to billions over a couple of millennia with no more evidence for the existence of a Deity…..none of your lot have come back either (fairy tales about the Resurrection don’t count).

….”They invest them with time and effort.”….

True.

….”your philosophy is logically inconsistent and also existentially unviable”….

You mistake my ability to learn, love & reason with the need for the existence of an outside force to make it so. I don’t need someone on my shoulder to know what’s right & what’s wrong.

….”it may be time to place you under the blow-torch and see if you are adept at defense”…..

In my defence & as mitigation I must point out that I’m only a simple, poor & semi-literate cockie! 🙂
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April 28, 2016 8:50pm
Gabby

Never happy unless whinging eh Stainy.
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April 28, 2016 9:07pm
Awww C-mon

Never happy eh Gabby
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April 28, 2016 9:09pm
dirty harry

past your bedtime giblet
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April 28, 2016 9:15pm
Reid

Essentially, it is generally agreed that these four issues are central to the human experience.

We are going to die
We are alone
We have to make choices
Life is meaningless

Every belief system in human history has a means of confronting these existential crises:

Gullible doesn’t even start to describe anyone who really believes the crap.

Gullible doesn’t even start to describe anyone who really believes that is what religion represents to believers.

nasska had a bad experience with religion when he was young. It’s twisted and poisoned his thinking on the matter ever since, and as he was very young when he had it, and he’s not once revisited it in his adult head, he’s assumed that all believers are simplistic, childish folk, seeking something as a child does, the same attitudes and beliefs he had as a young neophyte. His problem is, that episode has been cemented into his mind and he can’t see past it, so he hallucinates all sorts of idiotic fantasies based on his childhood trauma, believing them to be fact. Never stepping it into the adult world, always reliving the child.

Fact is, he understands nothing about religion, but he thinks he’s qualified because his trauma entitles him to voice his twisted, warped hatred.

He’s precisely like a once talented kid who failed math badly at school, got a lot of stick for it at the time, never recovered, buried it in a little ball and dredges up and recycles his pain every time a real mathematician pontificates on the latest theory. And those who understand nothing about math nod approvingly and stand in awe of nasska’s “wisdom.”

To those idiots, I ask, if religion is as simplistic as nasska hallucinates, how come so many people of all stripes and walks of life, of all intellects, from all professions, have paid so much attention to it over the last 2000 years? It’s only in the last few decades its gone out of fashion, before that, for 2000 years, 20 whole centuries, it was something to which more man-hours were devoted than almost anything, if not anything, else.

And that being the undeniable fact, how precisely could the entire human civilisation be so befuddled, for 2000 years, as to mistake that discipline, for something as trite and simplistic as our dear old nasska makes it out to be?
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April 28, 2016 9:18pm
ciaron

Nasska, no one makes the claim that you need to believe in God to know right from wrong, rather that you need God for there to be objective right and wrong. YouTube “the moral argument”.

Awww C-Mon, Glen Peoples over at right reason. Org gives annihilationism a very thorough treatment.
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April 28, 2016 9:25pm
cha

The terrorist fist bump Faux news warned us about.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChHCmEIU8AAxLJW.jpg:large
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April 28, 2016 9:28pm
Griff

Fact is, he understands nothing about religion because religion is nothing .
God a delusion that some people have .
You have to be part of that delusion to understand god.
The religious can not understand what not believing in god is .
It is not finding any hint of a god anywhere at all ever.
We dont secretly deny god or hate god or end up worshiping the devil.
We just dont have god .
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April 28, 2016 9:29pm
UglyTruth

Hey Reid, you might enjoy this…

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@-5.6341193,-155.9321629,809m/data=!3m1!1e3
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April 28, 2016 9:33pm
Reid

UT I saw you posted that above, what is it? BTW, if you haven’t read the Geneva Bible, you should. Way better than KJ.

Griff, pray give a reasonable, logical and sensible answer to my question above and I might start to pay attention to your religious pontifications. Until then mate, you’re just another of the ignorant, foolish idiots on this subject.
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April 28, 2016 9:39pm
Sponge

I am watching (not listening) to “Allan Carr Chatty Man” right now and he appears to interviewing the mad Penny Bright….

The possum on the head and wild eyes are unmistakable! Go the future mayor! Stardom is yours!
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April 28, 2016 9:49pm
cha

what is it?

An abandoned guano quarry.

https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Starbuck_Island&params=5_38_30_S_155_52_40_W_
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April 28, 2016 9:49pm
Griff

Reid all those billions of people did not believe in the same god.
Just as all the Christians do not believe in the same god on here.
If there are so many gods which one is right ?
Do you know how many people have died fighting over that question?
Just because so many believe in some sort of god does not make any one of them right.
Man has named many thousands of gods you believe only in your interpretation of the Jewish god YHWH not in any thing else .
I believe in only one less god than you.
Why do you not believe in the billions of other gods?
When you answer that you have the reason why atheist dont believe and what that feels like .
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April 28, 2016 9:57pm
Reid

Reid all those billions of people did not believe in the same god.

Griff one of the many things people who understand nothing about religion don’t get is that religion is not about what your own particular denomination tells you it goes far, far, far, far, far, far, far deeper than that. But all people who don’t understand religion ever percieve is their hallucination about what a denomination or even several of them do just that. But not only is their hallucination extraordinarily superficial for you will never see such idiots inside a church of that denomination they just read about them in some idiot media and draw their conclusions, not only do you have that flaw, but compounding that you have the flaw I indicated, whereby religion is not repeat not repeat not not repeat not repeat not not repeat not repeat not not repeat not repeat not not repeat not repeat not anything whatsoever to do with the guy who stands in the pulpit.

And people who understand nothing about religion don’t get that. Which is such a basic fact about it, it’s amazing none of you have ever clicked to it. Yet none of you, ever have.

As to the rest of your comment, I ignored it, because as soon as I read your first line mate, I knew the rest wasn’t worth reading.

As I say, face it, you idiots just aren’t qualified to comment, so why you don’t all just accept that and STFU about it and let those of us who understand it discuss it, I don’t know.
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April 28, 2016 10:08pm
UglyTruth

An abandoned guano quarry.

The object, not the island.
There appears to be a gouge line leading up to it.
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April 28, 2016 10:17pm
Shunda barunda

Just as all the Christians do not believe in the same god on here.

They don’t?

If there are so many gods which one is right ?

Christianity is the only logical option, it is the only faith that aligns with what we understand about reality.

Do you know how many people have died fighting over that question?

Not as many as died after the age of reason, science, “rationality” etc enabled the greatest century of bloodshed the world has ever known.
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April 28, 2016 10:23pm
cha

Have a closer look.

http://www.geonames.org/maps/google_-5.641667_-155.877778.html
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April 28, 2016 10:26pm
cha

Not as many as died after the age of reason, science, “rationality” etc enabled the greatest century of bloodshed the world has ever known.

According to Pinker, not even close.

https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a14e8ef5fc014e4ddbc93faf237bfbd5?convert_to_webp=true

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature
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April 28, 2016 10:40pm
UglyTruth

Have a closer look.

OK I see that there’s a tramway marked there. So the object is some kind of guano loading platform, then?
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April 28, 2016 11:12pm
rangitoto

The Lushan rebellion is probably overstated. I would say the Mongol invasions would win by a long way and they weren’t using the sort of mass destruction weaponry available in the 20th century.
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April 28, 2016 11:25pm
cha

Old workings?
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April 28, 2016 11:29pm
cha

and they weren’t using the sort of mass destruction weaponry available in the 20th century.

It took Hulagu Khan and his Christian allies a week to kill upwards of 200,000 Baghdadis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_%281258%29#Destruction
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April 28, 2016 11:38pm
rangitoto

Hulagu would have probably conquered Egypt with much slaughter as well but he had to return to Mongolia on the death of Mongke.
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April 28, 2016 11:42pm
Shunda barunda

So we have established that the age reason put us on a par with Mongol violence.

Except with a higher body count.

Thank you for proving my point.
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April 29, 2016 12:11am
cha

Thank you for proving my point.

Did you skip the bit where Pinker argues that violence in the world has declined both in the long run and in the short run?.
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April 29, 2016 12:35am
Shunda barunda

Did you skip the bit where Pinker argues that violence in the world has declined both in the long run and in the short run?.

Did you skip the bit where hundreds of millions of people died due to the astonishing violence of the 20th century?

You can appeal to authority all you like, but I’m discussing objective truth here.
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April 29, 2016 12:37am
Shunda barunda

I’m counting actual dead people, you’re basing your argument on theoretical dead people back adjusted for “inflation”

And this still doesn’t answer why, in the age of supposed rationality and reason, killing people was still just as preferable as it was to the Mongols.
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April 29, 2016 12:52am
cha

in the age of supposed rationality and reason,

The long peace is fact.

https://vimeo.com/128373915
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April 29, 2016 1:09am
eszett

You can appeal to authority all you like, but I’m discussing objective truth here.

He is not really appealing to authority, but arguing the points Pinker is making. Which is that not absolute numbers are relevant, but the relative violent death rate.

Using just absolute numbers is akin to arguing that modern medicine is useless because more people die today (in absolute terms) of illnesses that they did 4000 years ago.

You can argue that violent deaths inflicted by people on each other are slightly more complicated. But that the violent death rate has come down over time is undeniable, despite mankind inventing ever more effective ways to kill his neighbours.
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April 29, 2016 1:10am
Shunda barunda

But that the violent death rate has come down over time is undeniable

Key word here is time.

The world population has almost tripled in only the past 60 years, the next major conflict will be catastrophic.

The fact remains that it is implied that religion is the cause of the worst human conflicts in history, yet that is demonstrably false.

People have killed more and on a grander scale post ‘enlightenment’ than anything religion ever did. The argument goes that enlightened, rational, scientifically minded societies are less violent, well welcome to industrial warfare and the 20th century.

It is almost unbelievable that people still maintain that religion is the cause of the worlds problems. Religion hasn’t caused a major conflict for damned near half a millennium.
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April 29, 2016 2:49am
Shunda barunda

Oh, and by the way, it’s not just human death, it’s how it is done. It’s a bit different sticking a sword in someone than carpet bombing/shelling/utterly destroying all infrastructure and inflicting massive environmental damage in the process.

This all done by supposedly more ‘rational’ ‘enlightened’ people.

The 20th century was BY FAR the most destructive, violent century in human history, and religion had nothing to do with it.
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April 29, 2016 2:59am
Left Right and Centre

General moaning – so I’m at Countdown Jville. Supermarkets are hell on earth I tell ya. I’d like to throw them all in their big freezer – thanks for playing. I was there Tuesday. Pick n mix on special. At self-checkout – came up normal price. Oh dear. Lady say I’ll just wander off (very slowly) and check it out. So – I was the first customer to notice, yeah ? And that was the first she knew it wasn’t in the system. Sure, ok. I’m back there today. And . . . guess what ? Yep – they still ain’t fixed it.

I’m not a huge fan of the Asians – but I told one Asian couple filling up with pick n mix to make sure they got the promotion price – aren’t I a sweetheart ? The bloke went from ching shy shing shang to ‘yeah, thanks mate’ trying to be all kiwi an shit. Too funny.

My self-checkout was in the middle. I see a device on the left side surface. I think – did someone just leave it ? I hold it up and call out to people leaving. Nope – not theirs. It belongs to the *brown shit for brains* group at self-C to my left. I say ‘that’s a good place to leave it, isn’t it ?’ trying to hold back the attitude. I talk to Asians – see ? Told ya. Bloody useless. And one of the brown boy morons copies me ‘useless mate’ – fuck they’re so fucking thick and braindead. Don’t leave your shit on another self-checkout someone is about to use. That’s their space. You’ve got your space. Fuck off idiots. White dude had to go through twenty screens to fix my pick n mix – he was fast at it at least. What kind of fuckwits run that shithole eh ? Dickheads.

And on to another shop fraught with potential bullshit – my good mates at p’n’s. I’ve been busy doing shit – I’m only there for the exercise. I get more pick n mix. Right on closing, setting myself up for this. Can you go through the checkout, not self-checkout ? Ah fuck, here we go. I get some retard fuckin munter Indian woman fob. She can’t do the simplest task. What’s the problem now ? I don’t think this one is part of the picks and mixes. Her fob words – *picks and mixes*. Like a fucking three year old yet to master the basics. What the fuck on earth is *picks and mixes* ?? The one she questioned was coconut ice. Is it part of pick n mix ? Yes it fucking is dipshit. I had a selection from a few bins of pick n mix. What does she want to do – take the bag over and check the whole fucking lot ? She didn’t know – the fucking pick n mix police. If you don’t know your product – go and fucking learn which is which. That’s what I said to her. Go over to the bins and learn which one is which so you don’t have to fuck people around with your ignorant stupidity. She’s got no clue – so – that’s her problem. Spend ten minutes looking at your bulk bins so you don’t waste people’s time wondering if they might have got it wrong or price switching. Total fucking little braindead muppet. Picks n mixes. Another quality import from India – please let in more like her – thank you NZ govts, I love dealing with idiots. Again – I did it to myself. I will never ever ever ever use a checkout operator again. Take no chances of dealing with dumbarse fobs.

I was getting petrol – paying cash exact amount – no-one else there. Dickhead fob Indian says I’ll serve you over at the next counter in that stupid braindead accent. I said I’m paying cash – here it is – take it or leave it. Left the payment there and walked off. All your doing is leaving the money. I don’t need to be pushed around by some fuckin loser just to leave money on the register surface. Makes no difference.

Oh well – exactly. What do I expect from minimum wage braindead ATM personality imports ? Exactly.

I remember once that there were New Zealanders in this country. I wonder what ever happened to them ? Did they do a swap with India ?
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April 29, 2016 4:28am
Left Right and Centre

nasska – on my run I’m sure it’s Sundays – one of the creepy weirdo lot, mormons or 7th day dipshits – are out doing the world a favour with their ‘religous shit’ patrol.
No matter what kind of non-verbal get lost signal you could possibly try to muster – you are breathing and therefore they **have** to fuck with you. Even though it would be abundantly clear to most sane people that you don’t want to know about them. You can’t shake them off no matter what. It’s rude, there’s nothing nice about them making themselves a problem for other people to deal with, it breaks unwritten social rules – and when you break rules shit can happen and they’ve asked for it as for as I’m concerned.

You can’t just be left alone. They can’t leave you alone. I’m on the other side of the street – and the fuckwits have to try and do what exactly ? Hello – from the other side of the street. Obvious I want nothing to do with them. Trying to make a sale from across the street. Don’t miss any and all possible chances, eh ? Door to door BS. Yeah cool, hello god lickers. At a street with footpath on one side only – I’ve got to pass them same side. Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear. Fuck. Fuckin arseholes. Fuckin brainwashed living dead religous telemarketers – junk males.

(loudly and very clearly enunciated) Hello boys – I like to masturbate and suck men’s cocks !!

nazz – they’re goneburger – indoctrinated with weido fiction – looooooong gone.
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April 29, 2016 4:52am
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Fuck the maori and their shitty stoneage foul dribble..get the English language pronounciation correct first girly..after all, WE are the first peoples. WE are the majority. Get with the programme .

You hate to see it. Pronunciation. But I hear you mate, I hear you and agree – in fact the contorted mouth quip is a crack-up – you can hear the hours of rehearsal that went into their performances. Yeah – and they look like opera singers beating out the show-stopping high note. I’ve got a typo ‘your’ for ‘you’re’ above in rant one. But it’s pronunciate – I learnt that from talkback (wow indeed) as one older caller flamed a young teacher the call before over it – too funny. Years ago.

The Wanganui H thing – I heard someone saying Thonganui or whatever – that’s not just a spelling change; that’s a name change. Idiots calling it Fonganui. Fuckwits. I thought it wasn’t meant to change the pronunciation ? Whatever.

I actually learnt something from talkback right after commenting about an Asian wearing a germ mask – it came up the very next day – weird how that can happen. Ok – they wear them if they’re sick, and the idea is the mask prevents others getting sick. Good to know. What’s the mask really going to do ? How much does that change the chance of catching something mask versus no mask, hmmm ? Oh well – at least they think they’re doing you a favour. I learnt something about it – they don’t all do it thinking NZ is a toxic wasteland.

I had to put the rest of the ‘picks n mixes’ in the shed – I would’ve put away the whole damn lot. Moderation – yeah, right.
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April 29, 2016 5:14am
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So the police can go to various courts to beat up those that supply alcohol or write “offending signs” on their own property but they can’t be bothered anymore doing what we all thought we paid them for, catching real criminals.

Citizens are taking this task into their own hands more and more because the plod head office seem to think that its all about them.

“A snatch-and-run victim used a mobile phone tracking app to find the address of her alleged perpetrators.

When police refused to help, she enlisted the help of a taxi driver and went to the house to retrieve her stolen $1000 iPhone 6.

Thai national Shina Jeamjanya, 25, had been in New Zealand for just a week when she was accosted by three teenage girls at Aotea Square on a Monday night.

Meanwhile after this lady retreived her phone wioth no assistance from the police;

A police spokeswoman yesterday confirmed the incident on April 18 where a cellphone was taken from Miss Jeamjanya on Queen St.

Investigations were continuing, she said, and police were following “positive lines of inquiry” to identify the people responsible.

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Who wants to put money up that the police will do sweet fuck all about this. No one will be charged if they are ever identified (which really can’t be that hard seeing as how the lady got her phone back) and anyway they will slide under the radar cause of the usual bullshit that goes with these people and the ages and colours.

Time to harden the fuck up Judith.
Or are you just all noise as it seems.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11630427
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April 29, 2016 7:06am
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Just to add to the above.

Four weeks ago, the Herald published a special series on burglaries. Among the disturbing findings was the startling revelation that the national burglary resolution rate last year was a bare 9.3 per cent, the first time that it had fallen to single digits. The disappointing cleanup rate may have been affected by a wider definition of burglary, where even minor incidents – the most-cited example was a basketball going missing from a front lawn – were logged in police records as burglaries. Still, it was someone’s ball, and its loss would have upset its owner.

The sense of personal distress was a strong element of the series, because it underlined how property owners felt after their belongings had been taken from their homes or possessions stolen from their vehicles. People whose properties had been targeted more than once described how they no longer felt safe inside their own residence.

A month on, it is heartening to know the police have clearly had a rethink about their approach to this category of crime. They could hardly ignore their own statistics, with nearly 100,000 burglaries logged over 18 months going unsolved. I

100,000 burgs a year unsolved. Smash and grabs on the rapid increase. what the hell are the Govt. and the Police doing?

Oh yeh fining people for doing 55 kph on a quiet road.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/theft/news/article.cfm?c_id=344&objectid=11614172
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April 29, 2016 7:10am
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Penny Battles On

On Friday, the Auckland District Court awarded the council $13,250 for costs it has incurred in chasing Bright over the arrears.

This amount is on top of the $34,200 the court awarded it in February for rates she owes up to June 2015.

This makes a total of $47,450 outstanding to date.

Bright has been fighting the rates demands since 2011, and has now applied to the High Court for leave to appeal February’s district court ruling. That matter is due to be heard on July 6.

She would fight the latest ruling, she said.

“It’s an absolute disgrace that a citizen is having to be the one to try and hold Auckland Council accountable to the rule of law,” she said.

“I’m not budging because I’m not wrong.”

Bright stands to lose her house, which can be sold to pay the overdue rates.
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