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Manolo

A crazy system:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ted-cruz-poised-win-wyoming-republican-presidential-primary-180512831.html

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/16/trump-13/
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April 17, 2016 3:58pm
Jacob

Penny Bright’s transparency and integrity

Self-appointed “public watchdogs” usually are uninformed Nostradamus. And very selective in who they watch. I wonder if Penny wants to offer a comment on proven tax evader Matt McCarten.

Last Election Penny voted for this man and his Party and said she would urge everyone she could to do the same.

To do that, knowing MCarten is there, is similar to paying rates knowing a small portion could be wasted or misdirected in some way.

That she can vote Labour with McCarten there but not pay rates at the risk a small portion may be wasted, shows an inconsistency and a lack of integrity.

Definitely not suitable material for the office of Mayor, overseeing the expenditure of the rates of people who do pay them. 🙂
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April 17, 2016 4:14pm
Harriet

“….ACC has about $30 billion in investments. I would be surprised if they had not invested in a shopping center somewhere….”

Does anyone know the rules of investment with regards to ACC funds?

$30 billion invested into NZ – an economy which is around 1/5th the size of the NSW economy – is a lot of eggs in one basket. Whereas investment is about minimising risk!

In Aussie when Howard was PM nearly all superannuation funds had to be ‘re invested’ into Australian stocks ect, however it got to the point that the funds were so large that they were artificially forcing up the price of stocks ect creating risk, and thereby also keeping foreign investors out of the market due to lack of investment choices – so Howard and Costello then allowed for more of those funds to be invested overseas.

In other words — does a % of those ACC funds HAVE to be invested off shore?
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April 17, 2016 4:28pm
Fletch

College students being interviewed on the gender bathroom issue, have a bit more trouble answering why they shouldn’t believe the white, male interviewer is not a 6’5, Asian woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfO1veFs6Ho

Watch as the students struggle to explain why an adult male shouldn’t enroll in a first-grade class, why he’s not a woman, why he’s not substantially taller, or why he’s not Asian.
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April 17, 2016 5:32pm
mikenmild

Harriet

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=acc+investment+returns

No need to thank me – always happy to help the intellectually challenged.
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April 17, 2016 5:38pm
Reid

ACC has about $30 billion in investments.

Every cent of which represents an overcharge that should be returned by ceasing new fees until its used up.

Forward funding ACC is reprehensible. It was always intended to be a pay-as-you-go model with a mere buffer to make up any shortfalls arising from unexpected demand in an area that wasn’t covered by the previous year’s fees.

With our data modelling and forecasting capabilities today, doing that successfully and smoothly without disruption is a a no-brainer indeed they were quite successful for years and years even before IT came in.

So there was no problem, was there.

What the politicians decided to do was to use it as a contributor to NZ’s overall capital markets, since our capital markets are so appallingly abysmal because unlike overseas, we don’t have a significant demographic of people who want to invest in anything but the damn property market. Or many pension funds, like they have. In fact quite the opposite. So that’s why they decided to change the ACC model, without asking us, they just did it. But that’s why.

Of course its appalling. Why does a health insurer need to operate like a pension fund? What other health insurer anywhere in the world does that? No-one, of course. But ours does, because the income stream is free, why they just put in another request and lo, Cabinet tells Parliament to vote another fee increase, just like that. Hey presto, it’s a miracle. Now they can buy even more shopping centres, or a bank, or whatever. Thanks Parliament. Really appreciate that. Way to run the country, you mormons.
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April 17, 2016 5:46pm
Inandout

For shit’s sake, who would have imagined, for cultural reasons?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3537652/Swindon-takeaway-chef-prepared-food-wiping-bottom-bare-hands-doesn-t-use-toilet-paper-cultural-reasons.html
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April 17, 2016 6:15pm
Fletch

Why is it then whenever anyone on the news talks about the island of Lesbos, I always imagine an island of Amazons, like Paradise Island on Wonder Woman
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April 17, 2016 6:23pm
Manolo

The show goes on:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_2016_TRUMPS_PATH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-04-16-09-02-40

It’s still possible for Donald Trump to clinch the nomination by the end of the primaries on June 7. His path is narrow and perilous. But it’s plausible and starts with a big victory Tuesday in his home state New York primary.
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April 17, 2016 6:26pm
starboard

100% on the mark Reid.
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April 17, 2016 6:26pm
Manolo

@Fletch: Now populated by illegal immigrants, followers of the religion of peace, who are preparing to continue on to Germany.
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April 17, 2016 6:28pm
nasska

….” I always imagine an island of Amazons, like Paradise Island on Wonder Woman”….

Your imagination is getting away on you Fletch. Real lesbians usually have hairy legs, fat guts, sensible shoes & look like they suck sour lemons for a special treat.

But whatever floats your boat. 🙂
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April 17, 2016 6:32pm
nasska

From Inandout’s 6.15pm link:

…..”A takeaway chef wiped his bottom using his hands before preparing food because he does not use toilet paper for ‘cultural reasons’, a court heard.

Mahbub Chowdhury, 46, from Swindon, was found to have a filthy bottle in the kitchen of Yeahya Flavour of Asia, which inspectors concluded was covered in faecal matter.

When questioned, he said he filled the empty milk bottle with water from the kitchen taps before using it to clean his backside after going to the toilet.”…..

I reckon we could safely give this “cultural diversity” the lefties keep banging on about a miss. You can shove your kebabs where Mr Chowdhury aims his milk bottle.
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April 17, 2016 6:39pm
srylands

“Of course its appalling. Why does a health insurer need to operate like a pension fund? ”
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Because it IS like a pension fund.

ACC has hundreds of thousands of short duration claims – e.g. I hurt my ankle and am off work for a week. If all the claims were like that, sure it could be funded from current levy income.

But ACC also has tens of thousands of long duration liabilities, some of which will last 50 years +. Those future liabilities are now (almost) fully funded without being a burden on future taxpayers (and future generations). And remember as survival rates from accidents improve, these 50 year + liability streams will grow as a proportion of total liabilities.

Having NZ Super unfunded is enough thanks very much.
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April 17, 2016 6:39pm
Reid

Hillary’s “I’m Not a Crook” Moment

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/13/hillarys-im-not-a-crook-moment/

People who pay more attention to sites than the content it offers will of course note CounterPunch is the international equivalent of The Stranded and yet, here it is, exposing Killary’s crimes for all to see.

Won’t you.

That shows how bad it is, doesn’t it.

Your world is falling apart, isn’t it.

I recommend you learn how to think properly, because you can now hardly turn around and specifically blame the author now that you’ve (and you know who you are) an established track record in citing the site as the authority, can you.

I always told you it was mental, but you wouldn’t listen.
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April 17, 2016 7:14pm
pentwig

Inandout (2,175 comments) says:
April 17th, 2016 at 6:15 pm
For shit’s sake, who would have imagined, for cultural reasons?

Daffy & Mlikmaid.
You have not defended this appaulling behavoiur . Why Not? Sorry spell check not working,
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April 17, 2016 7:21pm
Reid

But ACC also has tens of thousands of long duration liabilities, some of which will last 50 years +.

Right.

Thanks for the education srylands.

I withdraw and apologise.
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April 17, 2016 7:27pm
mikenmild

pentwig
Out of interest, has your particular intellectual disability got a name?
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April 17, 2016 7:35pm
pentwig

Milkmaid

Do you actually have a brain?

I bet you wear brown plastic sandels and have a greying beard.
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April 17, 2016 7:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Stephieboy 11:02am

Reid, now why would Clinton sell Uranium to Russia when it produces a lot of the stuff and can readily obtain more of it south of the border from the worlds leading producer , Kazakhstan ? ,

Are you totally unaware of globalisation?

Why does any large company endeavour to secure resources in more than one location?
http://www.uranium1.com/index.php/en/about-uranium-one

More questions to ask yourself:

Who owns Uranium One?
Where does it get its Uranium from?

Has your question to Reid now been answered?
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April 17, 2016 7:43pm
starboard

pentwig..mm still lives at home with his mum…enuf said
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April 17, 2016 7:45pm
dad4justice

Does mm have a mum like Mrs Bates?
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April 17, 2016 7:49pm
pentwig

Starboard

Oh Kentucky moonshine. Oh sis. lol
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April 17, 2016 7:52pm
pentwig

D4J
Don’t think there would be anything to hold.
Mrs Bates would be lost.
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April 17, 2016 7:57pm
starboard

poor mm, lives at home with mum, works for a govt dept , a virgin ..its not good.
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April 17, 2016 7:58pm
dad4justice

Hi mm is your mum called Norma?
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April 17, 2016 7:58pm
Awww C-mon

Dont pretend you dont know Dad,

you fit those swollen cankles into boots that go half way up the hairy calves every time she needs a new pair.

and you LOVE your job
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April 17, 2016 8:10pm
mikenmild

Hi chaps.
Mum say hi, too.
D4J – care to open up about your difficulties with women?
starboard – got any new fantasy holidays to describe?
pentwig – you’ve never said anything of any meaning here, so I have nothing to ask you, really. Where were you born?
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April 17, 2016 8:10pm
starboard

“WHACK..WHOP..KAPOW”..mm takes another battering……..
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April 17, 2016 8:13pm
nasska

I thought he recovered position rather well. 🙂
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April 17, 2016 8:18pm
starboard

It was a bland ineffectual comeback nasska, much that could be expected from a public servant like mm
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April 17, 2016 8:20pm
nasska

Well, at least he tries. Most of the lefties crawl away & sulk. 🙂
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April 17, 2016 8:23pm
dad4justice

“D4J – care to open up about your difficulties with women?”

The only difficulty I have got with women at present is that I far too many to manage. Any advice mm?
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April 17, 2016 8:27pm
mikenmild

starboard, at least, can take refuge in his imaginary holidays and fake war reminiscences.
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April 17, 2016 8:27pm
mikenmild

D4J
Have all your women always been faithful to you? How would you describe your parents’ relationship?
These are important factors to consider when we attempt to address your issues.
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April 17, 2016 8:30pm
nasska

….”The only difficulty I have got with women at present is that I far too many to manage. Any advice”…..

Speed up their shoe selection Dad. Give them a colour chart & a shoe horn & leave them to it. 🙂
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April 17, 2016 8:31pm
pentwig

mikenmild (20,775 comments) says: I’m a fuckwit.

“pentwig – you’ve never said anything of any meaning here, so I have nothing to ask you, really. Where were you born?”

Milkmaid. Here you are on a right wind forum spouting your left wing socialist crap. Why?
This is probably the second biggest blog in NZ after Whale Oil and I enjoy the comments that make me think.
I may not contribute unless I want further knowledge, my choice.
Then I see you and daffy deliberately trying to disrupt the flow and I have no hesitation in calling you out as a fuckwit.
If I tried to the same do on your proper blog where you belong – the standard, I would be banned after the second comment.

You are taking the piss and deserve contempt
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April 17, 2016 8:36pm
dad4justice

You are a nasty little creep mm. Go f##k yourself you sick weirdo!!
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April 17, 2016 8:41pm
mikenmild

I’ll take that as a ‘no’ and a ‘difficult’ then, D4J.
Have you ever tried any simple relaxation exercises?
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April 17, 2016 8:45pm
mikenmild

pentwig
I hear your pain. Maintain that rage.
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April 17, 2016 8:46pm
pentwig

No you socialist twat.
No pain or rage in calling you out. None. Whatsoever. In fact I relish it.
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April 17, 2016 8:51pm
nasska

You’re missing a couple of salient points pentwig:

1) If everyone had a right wing barrow to push then the blog would become as bland as “The Standard” where people toe the company line or are banned. Nothing gets challenged there & zillions of electrons are disturbed in creating echoes.

2) There’s a huge difference between trolling, (eg Blazeoflight & Gabby) & Mike’s stirring.

DPF doesn’t limit comment to that favourable to the National Party & doesn’t expect it from commentators.

Vive la difference!
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April 17, 2016 8:51pm
starboard

poor mm..gasping for air , beaten , abused , ridiculed , bawhahahaha !
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April 17, 2016 8:55pm
starboard

…bawhahahahahahah !!
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April 17, 2016 8:57pm
mikenmild

True that, nasska.
I find it a pretty congenial environment, generally.
And when your pentwigs, D4Js and starboards,etc enter, unarmed, into a battle of wits it can be quite entertaining.
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April 17, 2016 9:00pm
pentwig

Nasska

You have a point.
But I do not push a point. I enjoy other peoples point of view and think. To myself.
But when I see deliberate dissention by idiots like milkmaid and daffy they need to be called. Agree that DPF has a good policy but I do not like seeing it abused.
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April 17, 2016 9:03pm
Nookin

Oh, I think they are armed alright mm. How else could they shoot themselves in the foot so often?
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April 17, 2016 9:03pm
starboard

“into a battle of wits :

BAWAHHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAA!! Stop it mm ! Too much !!
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April 17, 2016 9:03pm
mikenmild

Oh dear, pentwig – ‘deliberate dissension’? How terrible. Luckily your cogent arguments are up to the task.
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April 17, 2016 9:13pm
Nookin

Do you consider that dissension should be accidental then, Pentwig — not deliberate at all?

Something to be forgiven by the Kiwiblog fraternity?
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April 17, 2016 9:16pm
pentwig

mikenmild (20,780 comments) says: I am really,really stupid,
April 17th, 2016 at 9:00 pm

” into a battle of wits”

FFS milky you are a bloody socialist. Socialists do not have a brain or a sense of humour.
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April 17, 2016 9:17pm
pentwig

No nookin
It’s just putting up with idiots like you. But with JK leading us how can we go wrong.
Put forward that dryberg? lady? with the big hooters. She may poll more than angry Andy as leader
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April 17, 2016 9:24pm
Left Right and Centre

General TV – Decades In Colour – another review – in real time.
This should be a lovely trip down memory lane looking at home film from yesteryear.
Instead – it’s a trip down social and political ‘problem issues’ of the past.
It’s just a load of whiny moaning shit. Like this review. But i’m not trying to tell you anything different – unlike the shitheads who put this crap together and said it’s nostalgia and then you watch it and it concentrates on bullshit and nothing else. Oh – this week it’s crap like Vietnam – the 70s road toll – hippy festival frollicking on stage naked – two very ordinary birds. Oooo – don’t flood Manapouri.

All that stuff is great – the point is – it *doesn’t* fit the bill. They’re saying ‘NZ nostalgia’. That is broad and general and should include everyday scenes and life. Not this 100% issue driven crap.

The “Mother Of The Nation” returns to our screens in this brand new local series that’ll take you on a colourful nostalgia trip through the 50s, 60s and 70s. The beauty of this series comes from the unique home videos that everyday kiwis (like yourselves!) have submitted and are willing to share. This was well before facebook, Instagram or Snapchat! It’s not a history lesson on those decades but rather a living snapshot of life in New Zealand, told by the people who were there. From small towns to the large cities, you get a real understanding of what life was like back in the day. This is a must watch for the whole family!

The mother of all conjobs is what this is. The video is fantastic. The commentary is fucked. It’s badly put together. It’s all over the place. There you go. Ah look at all this cool video – choice. Um – hmmm – what to do ? We’ll add some stupidity to it – a bit of a pointless duh-duh narrative. Infomercials have got more going for them. Greenstone and NZ On Air – you suck.
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April 17, 2016 9:30pm
Nookin

Pentwig, takes some big breaths and lie down for a while. Then reflect that calling people idiots just because they happen to disagree with you is just the sort of holier than thou arrogance that could get the Nats kicked out.
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April 17, 2016 9:35pm
pentwig

Nookin

Na. Its idiots like you, with no brain, will blindly tick labour, because mum and dad did, so I will, without thinking about the issues.
Just stupidity as you have demonstrated.
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April 17, 2016 9:47pm
Awww C-mon

Nookin, redtwig will change its tune and be arguing the exact opposite tomorrow, it’s gobbys counter balance.

Thick as pigshit and twice as offensive
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April 17, 2016 10:02pm
Nookin

if you really believe what you have written, Pentwig then please dont let anyone know that you are a National Party supporter. You ooze the self-righteous, condescending arrogance that Key warned the party about.

The fact that I respect MM’s right to comment ( and appreciate his humour) does not mean that I agree with his politics.

Given that you so frequently resort to ad hom argument I have to agree with MM’s observation that you do go unarmed into a battle of wits. You are becoming a bit like Dad and Starboard, both of whom, I suspect, are counselled to rage on KB as some kind of therapy. Let the anger go, Pentwig. It wont hurt and you may become enlightened.
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April 17, 2016 10:05pm
Manolo

More delights courtesy of socialism:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-no-toilet-paper-now-lousy-phone-055513565.html?ref=gs
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April 17, 2016 10:07pm
pentwig

Awww C-mon (1,174 comments) says: As usual nothing,

Is that the best you’ve got?
My grand daughter could do better than that. But then she goes to a charter school,
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April 17, 2016 10:09pm
Manolo

The queen maintains her arrogance:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/opinion/sunday/hillary-is-not-sorry.html?_r=0
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April 17, 2016 10:10pm
Awww C-mon

Then sort your shit out Redtwig, good right wingers send their kids and grandkids to private school

Fucking amateur
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April 17, 2016 10:12pm
pentwig

Nookin

You are an arrogant piece of horse manure.
Who the fuck are you to pass judgement on behalf of.
You ooze the self-righteous, condescending arrogance yourself you arrogant fucker.
Good grief it is hard to believe your hypocrisy
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April 17, 2016 10:16pm
Nookin

Gee, I hoped that helped, Pent-up. Tell me, did you kick the cat just before you salivated over the key board? Who am I to pass judgment? I am just another kiwiblogger – no more and no less important than any other. Enjoy your evening and don’t be too harsh on the cat.
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April 17, 2016 10:22pm
pentwig

Aww sad sack

You need to get upmarket. That was yesterday. Charter schools are today. So many benefits. You need to upschool yourself.
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April 17, 2016 10:24pm
pentwig

Na nookin, I like cats as opposed to your communist mate Gareth Morgan.
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April 17, 2016 10:27pm
Awww C-mon

Redtwig. You keep telling yourself that champ, you sound just like the other broke arse pretenders.
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April 17, 2016 10:41pm
pentwig

Awww C-mon (1,176 comments) says:
April 17th, 2016 at 10:41 pm
You keep telling yourself that champ, you sound just like the other broke arse pretenders.

Tell myself what?

“other broke arse pretenders”. Perhaps I am thick but please explain that if you can, I certainly cannot comprehend what you are attempting to convey. Maybe you attended a public school but wagged too much for it to be beneficial.
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April 17, 2016 11:23pm
Left Right and Centre

It’s Hone bashing time . . .
LRC is watching a bit of Q&A on state TV – they discussed the dog issue.
The formula is interview some nerd and then get a response from three guests in the studio.
This will be interesting – what is old Hone going to opine – I mean it’s fuckin dogs – where’s he going to stand on dogs ?

He started waffling on about pig dogs and living in a rural area with pig dogs and this is how people get their food source so they need them. They can jump high fences. Something about putting down all pig dogs. One day a pig dog killed his chickens. What if that was my mokopuna ? So I warned them and then had to kill the pig dog next time. ?? That’s good to know . . . ????

What a useless non-answering no opinion say nothing air-wasting drongo.

Before that they had on someone I didn’t quite recognise – brown fella – boy he was hard to listen to. Inarticulate – had trouble stringing words and sentences together. I tried for a while to keep going and then gave up and muted the prick. What a load of buzz speak tight-rope talking nonsense. It turned out to be Mother O’Sullivan – a GP from a third world country called Kaitaia. New Zealander or the year 2014. Yeah – well it sure wasn’t for his outstanding grasp of the English language. Being a Maori doctor (well – part-time Maori – part Maori – whatever) having a good income / wealth is uncool. Better have ten children to stay poor and keep street cred. Kids will have nothing to inherit and no financial help option.

And just to prove a point I thought I’d ride that dumbed down achieve nothing programme right to the bitter end – full ad break followed by last three minutes of content. Ads longer than the end. Look – I knew that. I wouldn’t bother unless going to type about it. Who do they think wants to wait out 4 mins of ads to see 3 mins of crap ? What’s the point in reading a couple of random social media blurbs ? If you’re into social media – you’ll go online and see ten million bullshit lunatic unfair worthless opinions. That’s one minute wasted paying lip service pointlessly to some random meh’s duh-duh fucking Twitter stupidity.

Here’s a cool idea – go to South Auckland and interview some of these charming dog owners. Might catch a dog attack on camera even. Take Hone with a loaded rifle. He’ll deal to them. Fuck – if he shot one dead on camera he’d get my vote.
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April 18, 2016 3:35am
Manolo

As if the Messiah would care:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3544355/9-11-families-furious-Obama-administration-siding-Saudi-Arabia-country-threatens-pull-750-billion-U-S-assets-government-holds-liable-2001-terrorist-attacks.html

The families of victims are making a renewed push to declassify 28 pages of a 838-page congressional report on the worst terror attack on American soil, which points the blame towards Saudi Arabia.

Until now,the Obama administration has so far refused to reveal the contents of the missing pages and looks to be leaving the decision to a Congressional vote.
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