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stigie

“I enjoy D4J’s contributions to Kiwiblog”

I agree Nostra, he is good value even if he does call us names which adds humour, but as far as issues go, i thought that was in the past, but please correct me if im wrong..?
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April 15, 2016 4:36pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

I think there’s an ongoing feud between Dad and Big Bruv – but, as far as I can tell, he’s generally cool with everyone else.
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April 15, 2016 4:42pm
Scott Chris

mikenmild (20,761 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 3:46 pm
I’m tempted to speculate on what would happen if various Kiwibloggers were crossed with each other, Scott. Might happen down in Hagley Park, perhaps?

Heaven Forfend! I’ll show you my helicopter if you’ll show me mine 😉
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April 15, 2016 4:44pm
Scott Chris

stigie (3,432 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 3:55 pm
Scott Chris :-

Sorry mate , they were a shovel of shit. edit; just wordplay, no hidden digs.

So what were you driving in 1984 Stigie?
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April 15, 2016 4:48pm
Manolo

The joy of socialism:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-ration-malls-change-clocks-save-power-002148870.html?ref=gs

Nicolas Maduro said on Thursday punitive electricity rationing would be imposed on 15 shopping malls and drought-hit Venezuela’s time zone would also be modified to save power.
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April 15, 2016 4:53pm
stigie

SC, i was probably driving a Lada in 1984, had fuck all money back then you see. Didn’t the Shovels come out in the late 70s..?
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April 15, 2016 4:54pm
Scott Chris

stigie (3,433 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 4:54 pm
SC, i was probably driving a Lada in 1984, had fuck all money back then you see. Didn’t the Shovels come out in the late 70s..?

Indeed. 75/76 from memory. Was a Viva 1256cc engine with a new, sleek and sexy body. Mine was second hand being my first car, every 86,000 wound back kilometers of her. Would run your lada into the ground very, very slowly.
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April 15, 2016 4:59pm
stigie

SC, anything would run my piece of shit Lada into the ground, ya felt like a communist driving one ole chap !~
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April 15, 2016 5:09pm
Longknives

“I enjoy D4J’s contributions to Kiwiblog”
“I agree Nostra, he is good value ..”

I tend to agree- Dad’s Homo-Erotic posts about his beloved Richie McCaw are often the humorous highlight of my day…
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April 15, 2016 5:10pm
starboard

lol..scottchris drove a viva..who wooder thought. Bet it was a poo brown colour with anal beads hanging from the rear view mirror.

(or shove-it as my menfriends called it)
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April 15, 2016 5:23pm
stigie

Don’t forget the pom poms Starbored, they make good arse wipes..?
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April 15, 2016 5:38pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,503 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 5:23 pm
lol..scottchris drove a viva..who wooder thought. Bet it was a poo brown colour with anal beads hanging from the rear view mirror.

(or shove-it as my menfriends called it)

Hehe, so what were you driving back then lover?
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April 15, 2016 5:41pm
starboard

I had a 1973 or 74 Capri 1600 GT , silver..beautiful car. Chicks loved it..not much use to you scotty. Picked you for one of those flowery VW drivers..lots of homosexuals apparently used to drive them..can you confirm?
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April 15, 2016 5:45pm
Don the Kiwi

Awww C-mon (1,160 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 2:32 pm
Great to back and down-ticking!
Out of the naughty corner and making no promises to behave ?

Thought you were on holiday Awww C
No doubt you will have saved up all manner of shit to put on various miscreants who lurk and comment here.

Must have another beer sometime – wonder if starborad or anyone else want to join us?
Will make a time at some later date so others may wish to come and talk real shit, instead of posting it here. 🙂
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April 15, 2016 6:03pm
Awww C-mon

Hey Don,

Yeah keen as for another brew! It would be good to eyeball some of these folk. You can say soo much more with a look 😉

I have seen a few opportunities for a smart arse comment pass by, it’s tough on the bleachers 🙂
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April 15, 2016 6:11pm
starboard

Don, the vette and I are ready to come up anytime. Shall I see if scottchris wants to join us..but only if he keeps his hands to himself.
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April 15, 2016 6:12pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,505 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 5:45 pm
I had a 1973 or 74 Capri 1600 GT , silver..beautiful car. Chicks loved it..not much use to you scotty. Picked you for one of those flowery VW drivers..lots of homosexuals apparently used to drive them..can you confirm?

Only in your dreams sister. Cars get me from A to B. They don’t compensate for my small hands. 🙂
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April 15, 2016 6:27pm
nasska

WARNING: consumption of alcohol is the leading cause of inexplicable carpet burns on the knees & forehead.
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April 15, 2016 6:35pm
Stars And Stripes

Palmerston North man who raped woman he met on Tinder gets 5 years in prison
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/78983094/palmerston-north-man-who-raped-woman-he-met-on-tinder-gets-5-years-in-prison

I must say that I find this story a little bit strange.
You have consensual sex with a guy then later in the night while asleep he has sex with you again twice without consent and he is charged with rape. I get that bit.
However you then state that “She spent the first period of time [after the rapes] unable to focus on eating, sleeping or thinking – simply crying”.thinking – simply crying.”

She also had to sell property which reminded her of the rapes.

This bit I don’t get as only hours before this you have consensual sex with the same guy in the same bed and now suddenly your whole world has fallen to bits because of two non consensual sex episodes with the same guy in the same bed.
Sorry I don’t get that.
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April 15, 2016 6:37pm
starboard

Female S&S….female…
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April 15, 2016 6:47pm
dad4justice

” Dad’s Homo-Erotic posts”

Are you part of the sick Clint Heine team?
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April 15, 2016 6:50pm
stigie

Evening Dad, hows it hanging. When will you reveal what’s in this book you’re writing..?
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April 15, 2016 6:54pm
cha

Meanwhile, in jesusland…

While Cruz’s main argument rested on the somewhat contradictory position that while the government couldn’t prohibit private citizens from using dildos, it could prohibit people from selling them, he didn’t stop there. As Corn reports, the brief filed by Cruz and then-Attorney General Greg Abbott:

…insisted that Texas in order to protect “public morals” had “police-power interests” in “discouraging prurient interests in sexual gratification, combating the commercial sale of sex, and protecting minors.” There was a “government” interest, it maintained, in “discouraging…autonomous sex.” The brief compared the use of sex toys with “hiring a willing prostitute or engaging in consensual bigamy,” and it equated advertising these products with the commercial promotion of prostitution.

[…

That’s right: A serious contender for the nomination of a major political party in 2016 has argued in federal court that you don’t have a right to masturbate, and that if it so chose, the government could criminalize such activity.

Not for nothing, such a government action could land Cruz in some hot water:

Craig Mazin
✔
‎@clmazin

Ted Cruz thinks people don’t have a right to “stimulate their genitals.” I was his college roommate. This would be a new belief of his.
2:35 AM – 14 Apr 2016

http://americablog.com/2016/04/tx-solicitor-general-ted-cruz-argued-right-masturbate.html
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April 15, 2016 6:57pm
nasska

….”When will you reveal what’s in this book you’re writing..?”…..

Do you think Dad is the type who would kiss & tell stigie?

Shame on you! 🙂
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April 15, 2016 7:01pm
mikenmild

Australia – gotta love it:
http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/lebanese-tv-crew-shot-dead-attempting-to-kidnap-brisbane-school-kids/
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April 15, 2016 7:01pm
dad4justice

Feminine plural of stigio that book is stored in a shoe box in the lady shop I work in. Did you know the name of the famous actor that used to work in a lady footwear shop?
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April 15, 2016 7:01pm
nasska

…..”Ted Cruz thinks people don’t have a right to “stimulate their genitals”….

As a good Christian he goes to the brothel & pays to have someone do it for him cha.
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April 15, 2016 7:03pm
dad4justice

Above comment awaiting moderation. No doubt another cowardly nark. Why do I bother!
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April 15, 2016 7:08pm
stigie

“Do you think Dad is the type who would kiss & tell stigie?”

I am assuming he will tell us something Nasska, because of the unfortunate dilemma of being pulled aside by a transgender cop was an excellent story of the ins and out of the different things that happen in Christchurch !~
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April 15, 2016 7:10pm
nasska

….”Above comment awaiting moderation”…..

You may find that it’s just a random bug in WordPress Dad. Someone else queried DPF about it & apparently he was in the dark as to why it happens.

If the message comes up just copy the text, delete the comment & repost it.
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April 15, 2016 7:13pm
Awww C-mon

Why indeed Dad,

You just bitch, moan and abuse people. You’re a bit of fucking drama queen really.
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April 15, 2016 7:13pm
dad4justice

Feminine plural of stigio that book is stored in a shoe box in the lady shop I work in. Did you know the name of the famous actor that used to work in a lady footwear shop?

Go away awful you strange non identity.
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April 15, 2016 7:18pm
big bruv

D4J

Why do you bother?

However, before you piss of again can you please tell us what happened at LAX.
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April 15, 2016 7:19pm
Reid

Former US Senator Bob Graham (D-FL) took to the media on Sunday evening disclosing that 28 redacted pages from the 9/11 Report show that high-ranking members of the House of Saud provided financial assistance and direct support to the terrorist hijackers.

On Tuesday, Graham told the Tampa Bay Times that the White House called him to inform him that 28 redacted pages from the 9/11 Report were going to be declassified and made public.

The announcement, which the White House has yet to confirm, comes after the former elected official fought for years to gain public release of the documents, on the grounds that the American people deserve to know about the House of Saud’s involvement in the most deadly attack ever perpetrated on US soil.

Graham told reporters that Brett Holmgren, a senior policy adviser to the assistant to the President for Homeland Security, had stated that a declassification review of the secret documents, withheld from the report issued by the 9/11 Commission in 2003, would soon be completed.

Graham was the co-chairman of the joint congressional committee, dubbed the 9/11 Commission, that investigated the attacks. Knowing the contents of the documents, Graham has long agitated for their public release. The former Senator’s efforts nonetheless faced repeated stonewalling, until recently…

http://sputniknews.com/news/20160413/1037906441/graham-bush-saudis-terror-911.html#ixzz45sSEG6Ou

’60 MINUTES’: Lawmakers Say Redacted Pages Of 9/11 Report Show Saudi Official Met Hijackers In LA

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — Lawmakers are calling on the White House to declassify more than two dozen pages in the 9/11 Commission report that they say outlines evidence for possible support from the Saudi government for two hijackers who settled in Southern California.

A CBS News “60 Minutes” report quoted officials familiar with the 2003 report as saying 28 pages of redacted information raises questions over whether Saudi officials were involved in assisting Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar upon their arrival in Los Angeles in Jan. 2000.

Former Democratic congressman and U.S. ambassador to India Tim Roemer told “60 Minutes” the two Saudi nationals found a way to gain access to housing and flight lessons upon their arrival despite “extremely limited language skills and no experience with Western culture.”

“L.A., San Diego, that’s really you know, the hornet’s nest,” said Roemer. “That’s really the one that I continue to think about almost on a daily basis.”

According to the report, witnesses say both al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar met at the King Fahad mosque in Culver City with Fahad al-Thumairy, “a diplomat at the Saudi consulate known to hold extremist views.” He was denied reentry to the U.S. in 2003 for suspected terrorist ties.

Thumairy was a “a ghost employee with a no-show job at a Saudi aviation contractor outside Los Angeles while drawing a paycheck from the Saudi government”, according to the report.

“60 Minutes” also cited phone records that lawmakers say may link Thumairy to Omar al-Bayoumi, a mysterious Saudi who became the hijackers’ biggest benefactor.

Former U.S. Senator Bob Graham said he believes Bayoumi was a Saudi agent, telling CBS News’ Steve Kroft that Bayoumi had “been listed even before 9/11 in FBI files as being a Saudi agent…”

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/04/11/60-minutes-lawmakers-say-redacted-pages-of-911-report-shows-saudi-official-met-hijackers-in-la/

Shocked sheeple one: “I can’t, don’t and won’t believe it cos thousands and thousands would have had to keep silent and no-one has talked.”

Shocked sheeple two: “Exactly. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. See any good gates we can leap into the air through, for no apparent reason?”

Normal sensible person whose bothered to educate themselves: Actually, they have talked. It’s just the sources you follow don’t cover it or if they do, they lie about what was said and their idiot and fool consumers buy it hook, line and sinker, as if their heads are full of concrete.
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April 15, 2016 7:21pm
dad4justice

Oh look the sick one from the Clint Heine club has emerged from the hole in the ground.
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April 15, 2016 7:22pm
stigie

Dad, was it Mrs Slowcum from that old comedy “Are you being served” ?
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April 15, 2016 7:26pm
dad4justice

No this dude is about hot looking as me feminine plural of stigio.
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April 15, 2016 7:28pm
stigie

You have me fucked then Mad Dad !~
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April 15, 2016 7:30pm
Left Right and Centre

WARNING: consumption of alcohol is the leading cause of inexplicable carpet burns on the knees & forehead.

And bending Mum over the washing machine – according to the Eketa Sutra. Probably actually loading / unloading washing too – turned on sutranova by a woman multi-tasking domestic chore with marital relations sexy time. Killing two birds with one stone – practical, calvinist approach – not a precious second is underutilised. Just wait for the spin cycle to take all the work out of it.
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April 15, 2016 7:33pm
Awww C-mon

I reckon that’s what he is after Stigie
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April 15, 2016 7:36pm
Scott Chris

While Cruz’s main argument rested on the somewhat contradictory position that while the government couldn’t prohibit private citizens from using dildos, it could prohibit people from selling them, he didn’t stop there. As Corn reports, the brief filed by Cruz and then-Attorney General Greg Abbott:

Newsflash Cruz denies cucumber ban proposal
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April 15, 2016 7:40pm
Scott Chris

stigie (3,439 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 7:26 pm
Dad, was it Mrs Slowcum from that old comedy “Are you being served” ?

Yeah well Dad’s still looking for ‘Her Pussy’.
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April 15, 2016 7:43pm
RF

Left Right and Centre. 7.33pm.

I must agree the spin cycle is a great aphrodisiac and the bonus is if it suddenly drops out of spin cycle and goes unbalanced. Pure pleasure. Beats Johnboys sheep any day.
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April 15, 2016 7:46pm
nasska

LR&C

As an ex bus driver you may have heard the urban legend about Man diesels. Apparently if a woman occupies the 13th window seat back on the right side then her day is off to a good start. 🙂
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April 15, 2016 7:47pm
Scott Chris

I mean, how old is Mrs Slocum’s pussy by now? (in cat years)
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April 15, 2016 7:47pm
Scott Chris

Left Right and Centre (4,163 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 7:33 pm

And bending Mum over the washing machine

Issues ~~Oedipus~~ bro. And I’d suggest a vibrator is more economically shaped as a banana rather than a small fridge.
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April 15, 2016 8:00pm
Left Right and Centre

As an ex bus driver you may have heard the urban legend about Man diesels. Apparently if a woman occupies the 13th window seat back on the right side then her day is off to a good start.

I didn’t hear that one in my three short bed and breakfast years in the chair.
I’ll tell you this one which damn sure is true – rear door passenger mirror – move it so it can look down women’s tops in seat behind – hahahaha – dirty perverts.
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April 15, 2016 8:05pm
RF

What the hell is wrong with Auckland. We have the so called mother of the nation polluting our Sky TV and looking like a dork. I thought she had made her millions as an auto cue reader.

Tonight we have the other leeches, the Ridges, on TV. It’s enough to dig out my old crystal set and settle down with a single malt.

It’s a pity I have done my washing as I could have hopped on the machine.
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April 15, 2016 8:12pm
nasska

I did eighteen years driving for a rural cartage firm LR&C & I really used to enjoy what was on display when cars overtook or were waiting alongside at the lights. Plenty of times a cheeky smile from the chick indicated that it wasn’t accidental either.

Things like that made the job worthwhile. 🙂
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April 15, 2016 8:18pm
Left Right and Centre

I got road rage just reading that. Good effort. Two of us got flashed in Mt Vic tunnel once – sheila coming the other way. Not buses – furniture truck.
And here I thought you’d been a cocky forever. Now I’m thinking – it takes talent to drive and abuse alcohol, no ? Or did they have no time overlap ?
‘Rural cartage’ – smelly shitting pre-burgers !!
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April 15, 2016 8:30pm
cha

Big central city cable jobs – a week or more camped up under canvas in a fucking big hole with special features …..
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April 15, 2016 8:31pm
Reid

Plenty of times a cheeky smile from the chick indicated that it wasn’t accidental either.

Are you sure it was a chick?
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April 15, 2016 8:35pm
Scott Chris

nasska (15,946 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 8:18 pm
I did eighteen years driving for a rural cartage firm LR&C

You drove those piss-fear smelling cattle trailers Nasska?
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April 15, 2016 8:38pm
nasska

….”Rural cartage’ – smelly shitting pre-burgers “….

Yep. It was a good day when you didn’t get something shit on you unexpectedly. Mind you, if it wasn’t stock it was hay, or bagged fertiliser & what have you that had to be unloaded manually. Hundred weight then 50kg bags too.

After my secondary education was terminated abruptly work went: farm hand>driver>forestry partnership>farm ownership.

We did the hard way.
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April 15, 2016 8:43pm
Reid

You drove those piss-fear smelling cattle trailers Nasska?

Not sure about anyone else but I’d quite like to drive a piss-fear smelling cattle trailer at least once in my otherwise boring and meaningless life. I mean, who wouldn’t?

After my secondary education was terminated abruptly work went: farm hand>driver>forestry partnership>farm ownership.

We did the hard way.

Which these days only new immigrants are interested in.
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April 15, 2016 8:44pm
nasska

….”You drove those piss-fear smelling cattle trailers “…..

It’s the only way to move them SC. Driving cattle & sheep to the works over the Rimutakas & through Upper Hutt using horses & dogs hasn’t been done for a very long time.
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April 15, 2016 8:47pm
Scott Chris

Reid (20,788 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 8:44 pm
You drove those piss-fear smelling cattle trailers Nasska?

Not sure about anyone else but I’d quite like to drive a piss-fear smelling cattle trailer at least once in my otherwise boring and meaningless life. I mean, who wouldn’t?

Reid good point, it’s educational and I still eat beef. But at least I think about it.
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April 15, 2016 8:50pm
Left Right and Centre

After my secondary education was terminated abruptly work went: farm hand>driver>forestry partnership>farm ownership.

Probably> got> quite> a few> good yarns> up your sleeve.
I heard on the radio some hard luck story – farm> receivers> Rabobank> in the Wairarapa (I think). They were on the Duncan Garner show – Ron Mark was involved. Any thoughts ? Those heartless evil banks getting their grubby little paws on the family farm.
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April 15, 2016 9:03pm
lofty

If Ronnie Reagan was still President of the good old USA, ISIS would be WASWAS.
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April 15, 2016 9:08pm
nasska

Farming s the same as any business LR&C….make too many mistakes or take life easy & you’re dog tucker. Sheep & beef’s soso at the moment but some of the dairy units will be in deep shit. It could be the end of an era as their farms are huge units worth far more than the average New Zealander could pay. Half of our best country will end up owned by overseas investment firms.
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April 15, 2016 9:11pm
mikenmild

Wasn’t Ronnie Raygun better known for supplying arms to terrorists, lofty?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
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April 15, 2016 9:17pm
Scott Chris

Left Right and Centre (4,166 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 9:03 pm
After my secondary education was terminated abruptly work went: farm hand>driver>forestry partnership>farm ownership.

Probably> got> quite> a few> good yarns> up your sleeve.
I heard on the radio some hard luck story – farm> receivers> Rabobank> in the Wairarapa (I think). They were on the Duncan Garner show – Ron Mark was involved. Any thoughts ? Those heartless evil banks getting their grubby little paws on the family farm.

Confused as to how you use the symbol “>” in meaningful discourse LRC.
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April 15, 2016 9:17pm
lofty

No one is perfect milky mike.

Ronnie Had big nuts though.
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April 15, 2016 9:21pm
Left Right and Centre

That’s what I thought too – the business part not the knowing everything about farming markets and issues part.

http://www.swindon24.co.uk/news/chef-used-bare-hands-to-wipe-bum-before-making-customers-curry/
Any thoughts about this arsewipe ? Cultural diversity dividend – on another site I think aussie age they show a disgusting photo – but with no caption – I’m thinking – am I looking at shit on tissue ? You can smell the picture – know what I mean, ah mate – I can smell my own typing thinking about it – urghhhhhhh – fucking dirty mofo third world weirdo foreigners – I say as I pick my nose. But I’m not making curry with snot seasoning.

Confused as to how you use the symbol “>” in meaningful discourse LRC.

You’re confused > because > you completely > missed the joke > genius

‘Discourse’ > twat > alert
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April 15, 2016 9:23pm
Scott Chris

lofty (1,470 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 9:08 pm
If Ronnie Reagan was still President of the good old USA, ISIS would be WASWAS.

You still here Lofty? Thought you forswore kblog unbereft of my presence…
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April 15, 2016 9:23pm
lofty

Ah well Scott, life moves on.

But thanks for the recognition, it is nice to know I am not forgotten.

I treat you like dear Penny..see name…move on.

Cheers
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April 15, 2016 9:32pm
Viking2

Did anyone else notice a white and grey bearded gentleman tagging belong behind Clark at the UN today. apparently a person not allowed to fly into the States.

So the husband seems to be free to come and go.
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April 15, 2016 9:35pm
Reid

hWasn’t Ronnie Raygun better known for supplying arms to terrorists, lofty?

Only in your deluded and ignorant world mm.

The person who supplied arms to terrorists during Reagan’s era was one G.W. Bush aka Bush 41 (President).

Raygun has a heap to answer for but none of the sheeple which includes you mm are interested in educating themselves on precisely what that is, from comments here to date, which is your problem.

But responsibility for arms to tewwowists at that time in history lies solely with Bush 41, and as Robert Maxwell said: if you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand anything at all.
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April 15, 2016 9:39pm
Viking2

https://www.facebook.com/TheKiwiClassics/videos/1522489764725470/
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April 15, 2016 9:39pm
Scott Chris

But thanks for the recognition, it is nice to know I am not forgotten.

Nice to know you still read my inane posts. 😉 But seriously, I pay attention to what you say as an apparent moderate whilst you don’t quote Reagan.
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April 15, 2016 9:40pm
mikenmild

Reid
Robert Maxwell was Jewish, wasn’t he, so I’m hardly likely to believe anything he said, am I?
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April 15, 2016 9:47pm
Reid

Yes he was. He was also a Mossad agent, But why does that make any difference?
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April 15, 2016 9:55pm
starboard

Shouldn’t you be out gobbling scott? It is after 10 and the glory holes are open son.
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April 15, 2016 10:22pm
Awww C-mon

Starboard, obsessed much?

You and Scott really need a room
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April 15, 2016 10:32pm
Scott Chris

starboard (4,507 comments) says:
April 15th, 2016 at 10:22 pm
Shouldn’t you be out gobbling scott? It is after 10 and the glory holes are open son.

Ran outta options to the last fucking resort….. you still open bitch?
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April 15, 2016 10:36pm
starboard

ya mama ..
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April 15, 2016 10:43pm
Awww C-mon

Yo mumma so fat when she sits around the house, she’s around the whole freakin house!

Yo mumma so fat she’s on both sides of the family

I saw yo mumma walking down the street kicking a can with a mattress on her back, I asked ‘what u doing’ she said ‘moving’
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April 15, 2016 10:57pm
starboard

“Ya mama is so fat, I took a picture of her last Christmas and it’s still printing.”

“Ya mama is so fat her bellybutton gets home 15 minutes before she does.”
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April 15, 2016 11:14pm
Don the Kiwi

“Say man, why is yo wearing dem dark glasses fo.?”

“Dem’s not dark glasses man – dem’s ma norstrills.”
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April 15, 2016 11:23pm
Don the Kiwi

” Say man, wha yo got dat hole in yo top lip?’

“Why man, someone tried to shoot me between da eyes.”
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April 15, 2016 11:24pm
Manolo

A progressive’s wet dream: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article71944477.html
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April 16, 2016 7:26am

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