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Captain Mainwaring

Minus 3 in Upper Hutt apparently. Winter must be here.
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April 14, 2016 8:01am
Keeping Stock

Bloody cold overnight in Whanganui. Global Bloody Warming has a lot to answer for 😀
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April 14, 2016 8:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

Pete George’s blog has 3 entries on different aspects of Little’s attack on John Shewan.
https://yournz.org/2016/04/14/little-unrepentant-shaw-sensible/
https://yournz.org/2016/04/14/andrew-littles-integrity-and-reputation/
https://yournz.org/2016/04/14/john-shewan-on-radio-nz/
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April 14, 2016 8:05am
hmmokrightitis

John Shewan is one of the most professional men I have had the pleasure of meeting. Little, conversely, comes across as a coward and a bully – wonder if he would care to make some of the claims he has made outside of parliament?

But then, with his history as a unionist, I guess I shouldnt have much of an expectation for anything different.
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April 14, 2016 8:14am
SGA

This story on Stuff today struck me a little bizarre –

Two new Navy boats that were commissioned to patrol New Zealand’s waters haven’t been to sea in years.
In-shore patrol vessels HMNZS Pukaki and HMNZS Taupo only entered into service in 2009, but they’ve effectively been mothballed, according to Defence Force figures provided to Newshub.
Pukaki hasn’t been to sea since the end of 2012, while Taupo has remained in port since 2013.
A third vessel hasn’t been to sea in the past three months, leaving just one remaining in-shore patrol vessel to carry out their work.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78903319/navys-newest-patrol-boats-havent-made-it-to-sea-in-years-defence-force-admits
Lack of funds, personnel, will, surplus to requirements? I’d have thought that having them active for just training purposes alone would be a good idea. Not sure what to make of it. Any thoughts?
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April 14, 2016 8:14am
Captain Mainwaring

Where is Whanganui? Is it near Whaipukurau?
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April 14, 2016 8:14am
Manolo

The savages threaten a courtier: http://nypost.com/2016/04/13/isis-puts-hit-out-on-huma/

ISIS on Wednesday put out a hit list targeting moderate Muslims — including top Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin.
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April 14, 2016 8:15am
oldpark

Thought i would tune into the news on the Liebour/Green imbedded sycophant reporters on the television channel which masquerades as TVNZ. Reason was to hear the best good news story, in at least twenty years for 110,000 small businesses,the life blood of the nation, . It was to say that John Key had announced that the hated provisional tax was to be ended ,and replaced with a much simpler tax. Sadly not to be,as the anti National Government, and John Key haters had censored the good news story,and told us about a police raid and one on an old story about dog attacks. Finally they then wheeled out MR 7% Angry Andy Little, allowing him to utter a defeatist gloomy comment,as well as berating John Key for such a positive good news announcement, and accused him of having a hidden agenda. Maybe with Angry Andy making such negative response to the good news,as a so called leader of a party, where the previous leader was sorry for being a man,perhaps 7% is flattering.
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April 14, 2016 8:15am
waikatogirl

Bill English is under fire for stating at a Federated Farmers lunch that some kiwi workers are hopeless.

CTU president, Richard Wagstaff says this is disgusting attitude from English as kiwi workers are known to be dedicated, hard workers and employers should look at in the mirror if they are not getting a good response from their staff they should look at the way they treat their staff, and working conditions.

Bill Engish stands by his statement as realistic of the NZ workforce.

– Good on you Bill. Too many who have lost the work ethic this country was built on.
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April 14, 2016 8:16am
Keeping Stock

Little owes Shewan a complete, unconditional apology. He made allegations in the House yesterday which Shewan refutes, based on a newspaper story and “the reports that we have got”. He has screwed up big time, and now has a large hole to dig himself out of.

One can only wonder; did “the reports that we have got” emanate from Grant Robertson’s office? And is this Andrew Little’s dead snapper moment?
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April 14, 2016 8:16am
Gabby

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Wat’re you wining about now Mainwharing?
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April 14, 2016 8:19am
Keeping Stock

@ waikatogirl – SOME Kiwi workers “are known to be dedicated, hard workers”, but that number diminishes with the passing of each year. English is 100% correct in his comments about there being a group of young males which is work-shy.

Ironically, one thing that might turn that around is an increase in the number of Charter Schools. But if Labour has its way, that door will be closed.
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April 14, 2016 8:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Where is Whanganui?

Whucked if I know.

(Born & bred there)
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April 14, 2016 8:20am
wreck1080

This story…
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11622048

Remuera duplex owner shocked by neighbour’s demolition plan

“Mr Davis declined to comment on why they hadn’t notified Mr Alwahb sooner, saying the matter was private and they had done nothing wrong.
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Mr Davis is not commenting because it is quite apparent that he is a lowlife scumbag!!

What kind of person would not tell a neighbor they are about to legally demolish part of your house?

Even more amazing is the value of these places, what a joke.
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April 14, 2016 8:22am
Happychappy

Bill English tells the truth and Labour and the unions are upset.Tell me why we have record employment numbers and the same people that moan are still on benefits while the record numbers of immigrants can find jobs,the same reason as happened fourty years ago and is still happening now Generational families that want wages without working.Having four or five children and not working you are able to lives reasonable life while your children get feed by charities any the Government one also get clothing ,shoes and extras so why would you want to work
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April 14, 2016 8:24am
Keeping Stock

Very clever Gabby. See, you can do it if you try hard enough 😀
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April 14, 2016 8:24am
mikenmild

SGA
Defence procurement can often be a bizarre mix of political, technical and bu8reacratic factors. Gerry Brownlee, of course, has blamed the previous government, which acquired these vessels under Project Protector.
The Navy had all along wanted an extra frigate or two, rather than being saddled with a mix of offshore and inshore patrol vessels and the multi-role ship, but were stymied by successive governments since the 1990s.
This situation appears similar to a famous case in the 1970s, where a clash between funding decisions and technical requirements led to the purchase of the Lake-class patrol vessels, which were too big for inshore work and too small for offshore patrols.
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April 14, 2016 8:26am
oldpark

@ waikatogirl 8.16 am.

Andrew Little said that” employers are parasites” . Have yet to hear if Dick Wagstaff made any comments on that utterance.
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April 14, 2016 8:26am
Gabby

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When did he say that, oldfart?
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April 14, 2016 8:27am
waikatogirl

KS
@ waikatogirl – SOME Kiwi workers “are known to be dedicated, hard workers”, but that number diminishes with the passing of each year. English is 100% correct in his comments about there being a group of young males which is work-shy.
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The general attitude of some is appalling.
A family member recently resigned from teaching carpentry skills at a workforce training scheme for 2nd chances – those who had left school without any inclination to work.

He got fed up attempting to get them to show any initiative to help themselves and learn any skills they could use for the rest of their lives in employment.

Probably didn’t help he is a skinny white guy.
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April 14, 2016 8:29am
stephieboy

The movie The Witch is arriving to our screens this weekend . A dark tale of horror and witchcraft that befall a 17th Century Puritan New England farmer and his family . Their farm next to a forest which has present dark satanic forces awaiting to unleash themselves on the devout , pious and unsuspecting family , recently excommunicated from their local Puritan Church.

“..With its olde Englishe lingo, broad hats and bonnets, and the odd demonic goat, The Witch is certainly unlike any of those other horror films doing such big business in the multiplexes…”

The Witch: ‘Good horror is taking a look at what’s dark in humanity’

“Set in 1630s New England, Robert Eggers’s film is redefining the horror genre with its period detail and scares. It’s the stuff of real nightmares, he tells us..”

( trailer included )

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/mar/07/17th-century-horror-drama-the-witch

Could it be that the director is also attempting to communicate to us about current obsessions , phobias and paranoia familiar to us ? Rather like Arthur Miller’s play “The Crucible” about Paranoia and obsession set in a similar period about the Salem Witch trials .
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April 14, 2016 8:29am
G152

When I was working I got the -pleasure- of teaching young
workers how to write factory English, basic maths and to show them
how to concentrate on the job at hand.
Schools don’t teach people work skills.
In fact I’m unsure as to what apart from filling academias ivory towers
schools actually achieve
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April 14, 2016 8:30am
flipper

Where is Whanganui?

+++++++++

Isn’t it near that place named Wanganui ????

Keeping….. I am surprised that you buy this latter day place change BS.
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April 14, 2016 8:31am
mikenmild

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KS/waikatogirl
It wasn’t like that in the good old days, when everyone was hard working, you could leave your door unlocked and homosexuality was illegal.
The youth of today, huh? Luckily Ks has the answer: CHARTER SCHOOLS!
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April 14, 2016 8:34am
Padriv Ustoev

The Bill English incident reminds me of the time when I cam back from Wellington to Auckland and was looking for a job.

Friend of mine directed me to a panel beater that needed an apprentice/shop hand. The only criteria was for me not to be drunk, not do drugs at work and turn up on time and turn up every day.

Being a young and devout Muslim, I only drank alcohol when Allah is not watching which is Friday 4:30om to 11:30pm.

So I was hired same day. No panel beating experience at all. Easy money while I found a better job. liek it so much worked there for 6 months.
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April 14, 2016 8:34am
SteveRemmington

When I entered the bush 10 days ago to hunt stags I thought to myself this tax avoidance m’larky could claim some NZ scalps.

After 10 days of no outside communication i expected, when finally able to tune into the news to find out that after several million leaked documents, endless front page press, numerous questions in the house and press releases from all the major political parties that they would be falling like dominoes in NZ big business.

Nope, didn’t happen and still the only person with any political connections that I’m aware of being busted for fiddling the taxman is Labours Chief of Staff.
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April 14, 2016 8:39am
stigie

Hey Gobby, read this…..

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/little-parasites.jpg
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April 14, 2016 8:40am
Griff

Bloody cold overnight in Whanganui. Global Bloody Warming has a lot to answer for
Have a look out the window
See that big orange thing in the sky.
Its called the sun .
Due to the wobble in the earths axis the radiation reaching our location from the sun changes as the year progresses.
We call the effect of these changes seasons.
The one we are presently in is called autumn and denotes a change towards colder weather due to less sun light .
Happens every single year without fail.
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April 14, 2016 8:40am
Keeping Stock

I don’t have a problem one way or the other flipper. There are far more important things to worry about than the spelling of Wanganui/Whanganui.
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April 14, 2016 8:42am
waikatogirl

Padriv
So I was hired same day. No panel beating experience at all. Easy money while I found a better job. liek it so much worked there for 6 months.
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You have obviously learn’t that you cannot have your illicit tipple without working for it.
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April 14, 2016 8:46am
Grant

Seasons aren’t caused by any wobble, Griff.

They’re caused by the fact that the earth has an axial tilt of about 23 degrees, which means that the different parts of the planet are a bit closer to the sun at different times of the year.

And here’s me thinking you were an expert on the earth and its climate.
G
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April 14, 2016 8:47am
flipper

For all the use that those shitty little Navy inshore patrol boats are, they may as well have been “tinnies” with a .50 Browning mounted in the bow. As Gerry Baby says, they are frightening tubs when doing a job for which they are totally unsuited – patrolling New Zealand waters In fact, the Navy hates because they are scary.

So which effing Ministers put them in place? Oh, that’s right – Heather Clark and her sycophants of the day.
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April 14, 2016 8:48am
Paulus

I saw a few of the Question Time in Parliament yesterday – my laughs for the day – and was appalled at Angry Andy – he was pathetic – a leader – I do not think so – he could not string two sentences together.

But the one who surprised me was Greenpeace Shaw – he was unable to say what he was trying to do, as he had no idea what to say, being egged on but Tubby as she tried to make him coherent.
I do not think I have ever seen such a poor performance – even against Angry.
I wonder whether he was on some sort of “medication”.

Pathetic
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April 14, 2016 8:50am
flipper

Keeping Stock …..

🙂

Agree….and that is why there should never have been moves to change.
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April 14, 2016 8:51am
Than

Gerry Brownlee, of course, has blamed the previous government, which acquired these vessels under Project Protector.

And quite justifiably so.

The defense procurements of the last Labour government were bizarre, and totally unsuited to NZ current or potential strategic needs. I honestly believe they were driven by a desire to be seen to spend money (to avoid accusations of running down the defense force) while still reducing NZ’s military capabilities as much as possible. They basically gutted the defense force, leaving it as a barely armed coast guard with a proud history.
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April 14, 2016 8:51am
waikatogirl

@Stigie
Little calls employers parasites.
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Didn’t Angry say Liebor were going to work with business and hoped employers would vote Liebor.

Yes Angry, that is the way to encourage business to vote Liebor.

Dickhead!
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April 14, 2016 8:52am
igm

Flipper: Whanganui is close Whordell that has a nice old English-style boozer.
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April 14, 2016 8:52am
Brian Smaller

Bloody cold overnight in Whanganui. Global Bloody Warming has a lot to answer for ?

Even colder in Mangamahu KS. But will probably be a cracker day.
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April 14, 2016 8:54am
mikenmild

Than
New Zealand has a long history of fucked-up military procurement. My particular favourites:
– HMNZS Royalist – acquired in the 1950s. a specialist anti-aircraft cruiser designed to protect aircraft carriers
– the Lake-class patrol craft debacle of the 1970s
– the 2+2 decision about the Anzac frigates, with the extra two never bought
– HMNZS Charles Upham in the 1990s
– the multitude of LAVs
I don’t think there has been much good done since the RNZAF re-equipment in the 1960s (Skyhawks, Hercules, Iroquois).
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April 14, 2016 8:59am
Kimbo

@ Keeping Stock/flipper

I don’t have a problem one way or the other flipper. There are far more important things to worry about than the spelling of Wanganui/Whanganui.

Hmm. The problem is ‘Wanganui’ actually mean anything in Maori, as it is a mis-spelling of big (nui) harbour (whanga). A bit like in the old days when the All Blacks used to play Llanelly, until it was officially changed in 1966 to Llanelli (9, Seland Newydd 3, Sospan fach, sospan fach…the air was filled with singing and I heard a grown man cry,
Not because we’d won but because the pubs ran dry!).
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April 14, 2016 8:59am
howitis

How much is the feminisation of the total environment has been the cause of workshy young males?

Many young males especially from the lower socio economic have no decent male role models.
More than half in fact grow up in places where there is no stable male figurehead.
Right through primary school to puberty they mainly have female teachers.
They have to sit at desks whereas young males need to express bursts of energy and physical activity.
The likes of Scouts whilst a bit olde worlde was a place to learn skills. This is seldom an option now. The core learning years of 7 to 11 where Maths and English skills are instilled can be any area where the learning environment is counter intuitive.
They also need physical skills like woodwork, metal work and working on engines be it model aeroplanes, lawn mowers or cars to press their buttons.
It would be more important to address this than worry about which toilets for the gender confused.

You kill that creative energy AND have no positive male role models and you are not picking winners.
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April 14, 2016 9:03am
stigie

“Yes Angry, that is the way to encourage business to vote Liebor”.

Yep, that’s right waikatogirl, business knows Little has the charisma of a burst bag of potatoe chips..!~
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April 14, 2016 9:07am
Keeping Stock

Oh dear; Trevor Mallard is in deep strife.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/04/disgusting-defamatory-smear-on-john-key-via-twitter-from-trevor-mallard/#more-244801

I have seen a screenshot of the tweet referred to and it is arguably defamatory, accusing Key of a criminal offence. The mere fact the WO won’t publish the screenshot because of the risk of being a party to defamation indicates the seriousness of it. Worse still, it was made during Question Time, at a time when Mallard is one of the Presiding Officers of the House.

David Carter needs to stand Mallard down as Assistant Speaker whilst this is investigated, as there seems to be a prima facie breach of privilege. This could also be the excuse Little needs to finally end Mallard’s political career.
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April 14, 2016 9:07am
Keeping Stock

@ Kimbo – that’s a bit like when Munster beat the All Blacks in 1978. These days the number of people who claim to have been at the match is about ten times the actual capacity of the ground!
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April 14, 2016 9:11am
Than

mikenmild,

Royalist and the Lake class are going back too far for my knowledge so I can’t really comment on those (although offhand the idea of an AA cruiser doesn’t seem silly for an island nation where air attack is one of the more likely threats).

The Charles Upham was a debacle, but that went wrong in the implementation not the concept. A strategic sealift craft is something that is very useful for the NZDF. Even after the navy gave up on the Charles Upham they retained the capability with HMNZS Canterbury. That element of Project Protector at least I will conceed was a good idea.

The Anzac frigates I would describe as one of NZ’s more successful military procurements. I’ve heard some complaints about their seakeeping in Antarctic waters, but by and large they have been very successful. It’s a pity we didn’t buy at least one more when we had the opportunities (a decision taken by the last Labour government). It would certainly have been a far better option for us than four unneeded inshore patrol boats. Probably better even than the reasonably useful offshore patrol boats.
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April 14, 2016 9:11am
Happychappy

What amuses me about Andrew Little is the unions are not worried that this Leader backed by them could bring about Labours demise.Why would the ex Presidents,MPsand former PrimeMinisters want this to happen and in my opinion the Labour Party must be in debt the unions and have now taken control.This may be one of the reasons why Labour can not raise funds and their big donors no longer contribute and the more the union dictates the missing millions will grow
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April 14, 2016 9:12am
waikatogirl

stigie
Yep, that’s right waikatogirl, business knows Little has the charisma of a burst bag of potatoe chips..!~
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Tainting the idea of a good bag of potato chips there stigie! 😉
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April 14, 2016 9:13am
Griff

Well done Grant with a G .
Semantic corrections are so enlightening.
I hope you are as forthright on correcting our climate change denying whackos .
But I will not hold my breath……
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April 14, 2016 9:17am
Michael

Wanganui, born and bred there. Originally called Petre [ pronunciation Peter ]. The original settlers, not Maori, their settlement was called Putiki and was on the other side of the river, wanted to change the name to Wanganui without the h which they thought was ugly. The name was changed . The river was named by Maori, and if they had had a written language they would have spelt it with an h. But they did not name the settlement.
In Australia the aborigines used to catch eels in a river and they called the area Barramatta [meaning eels]. When the Europeans settled in that area they named it Parramatta. Will the name ever be changed? I very much doubt it.
http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Parramatta+Eels&qpvt=parramatta+eels&FORM=EWRE
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April 14, 2016 9:24am
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/78904026/staffy-owner-will-fight-to-save-seized-dog-after-bloody-attack-on-pregnant-woman

Stay Classy Pit Bull owners…The type of loser who calls his Dog ‘Diezel’
Seriously-How many kids have to have their faces ripped off by these vicious Mutts before we get rid of them?

Footnote- “A council spokeswoman said it had no record of either dog, as they were not micro-chipped or registered.”
Well blow me down!
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April 14, 2016 9:25am
Kimbo

@ Griff

But I will not hold my breath……

Well, then, that is extra carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, isn’t it?!

But fair point you make about the picky semantics over your self-evident post. I’ll file that away for next time you attempt a foray into the topics of biblical studies/theology… 😉
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April 14, 2016 9:25am
dime

Dime was driving to the office this morning.

Ill set the scene, sitting in my jeep, cruise control set to 109km/h, sipping away at a delicious coffee like an asshole..

I flick on ZB, its an ad break.

First Ad – If someone in your fleet crashes and youre the company director, you may get fined, go to jail, lose your house..
Second ad -some crap
Third Ad – if you do business under the table, youre going to JAIL!!

Fuck me, do we have a govt problem or what???

Its the first ad i have the biggest problem with, some mine explodes 5 years ago on the west coast and now dimes buddies are shelling out many thousands of dollars on shit like scaffolding etc

One buddy was refused entry when he tried to take a step ladder on site. it had 2 steps on it. too dangerous.

Another buddy just increased his costs by $300 – $500 per job cause of all the time its going to take adhering to the new safety rules. he will also be doing less jobs per day cause of the extra time the bullshit takes.

thank god we will get a national govt soon who will fix all of this left wing crap.
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April 14, 2016 9:25am
mikenmild

Than
I was just making a point that most governments have been terrible at defence procurement.

Re Royalist ( a hobby of mine) – it was customised for Arctic operations and, as I mentioned, refitted to protect an aircraft carrier. I also seem to recall it had odd calibre guns and a very short range for Pacific cruising. It was fobbed off onto us by the Brits – at a time when the chief of staff for the RNZN was still a seconded British officer who reported separately to the British High Commissioner about NZ defence policy!

The extra Anzacs should have been ordered in the 1990s, which was a terrible time of buying, basically, nothing. Yes, the sealift capability was a good idea, but terribly managed. The government thought it could get this o the cheap, while the defence officials thought they would be able to upgrade Charles Upham to a military capability. The government wouldn’t spend the money.

So far as I can tell, the procurement decisions of the early 2000s (LAVS, patrol craft, ditching air combat) were driven by a desire not to get anything too warlike.
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April 14, 2016 9:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Stephieboy 8:29am

I’m loving your book/film reviews. Hope they become a regular feature.
… and gosh! a fan of “The Crucible”….such obvious themes for today’s blogosphere eh?.

…making series of accusations/smears/innuendoes……
….joining in with the sharks who circle the bloodfest

Who do you favour most?
Danforth: “A person is either with this court or he must be counted against it.”
or
Proctor: “I have given you my soul; leave me my name!”

(the latter quote – so apt in this day of anonymity, don’t you think?)
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April 14, 2016 9:26am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Keeping Stock (11,593 comments) says:
April 14th, 2016 at 8:16 am
Little owes Shewan a complete, unconditional apology. He made allegations in the House yesterday which Shewan refutes, based on a newspaper story and “the reports that we have got”. He has screwed up big time, and now has a large hole to dig himself out of.

One can only wonder; did “the reports that we have got” emanate from Grant Robertson’s office? And is this Andrew Little’s dead snapper moment?
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KS- am torn on this one, on one hand it would be great to see Little hung drawn and quatered, on the other hand I wont him to lead labour to defeat in the general election…..phew, on reflection, happy to see him go, as no other candidate would perform better….
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April 14, 2016 9:30am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Keeping Stock (11,593 comments) says:
April 14th, 2016 at 9:07 am
Oh dear; Trevor Mallard is in deep strife.
The mere fact the WO won’t publish the screenshot because of the risk of being a party to defamation indicates the seriousness of it. Worse still, it was made during Question Time, at a time when Mallard is one of the Presiding Officers of the House.

__________________________

That’s amazing, I cant believe WO wouldnt publish it especially if it drives visitors to his site……
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April 14, 2016 9:32am
Kimbo

@ Longknives

Stay Classy Pit Bull owners…The type of loser who calls his Dog ‘Diezel’
Seriously-How many kids have to have their faces ripped off by these vicious Mutts before we get rid of them?

Footnote- “A council spokeswoman said it had no record of either dog, as they were not micro-chipped or registered.”
Well blow me down!

Some self-promoting dog trainer prat out from the UK on the TV last night trying the “it’s the owners, not the dogs!” bullshit, and how “the government should put money into educating the owners”. FFS – the owners in many cases don’t want to be educated, or responsible. They like variations on pit pulls because they are a bad-ass accessory to augment their feral lifestyle.
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April 14, 2016 9:33am
flipper

Good Lord, I agree with milky on something….

“….I don’t think there has been much good done since the RNZAF re-equipment in the 1960s (Skyhawks, Hercules, Iroquois).”

The decision of the Holyoake Cabinet to maker those purchases was opposed by Rob Muldoon and Henry Lang. But they were rolled by Holyoake, Macintyre, Thomson, Gordon and Talboys. the other bits and pieces fell into line.

Nevertheless, RDM, having stood by Treasury’s opposition, joined Gordon, Macintyre, and Thomson in the latter’s office for their traditional post cabinet chin wag. The purchase was a funded with a large US military loan facility (forget the actual title)- a loan made on exceptionally favourable terms. But Treasury did not want the loan accepted. In fact, there was a surplus in the loan account. That was later used to buy more helicopters and aircraft spares.
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April 14, 2016 9:33am
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It would appear the Parliamentary rules Trevor Mallard has just broken are a result of his earlier offending –

May 20,2014
The Speaker has referred the use of Twitter by MPs in Parliament to the Privileges Committee after complaints from MPs about tweets criticising others, including the Speaker himself.

The tweet that sparked the issue appeared to be Labour’s Trevor Mallard criticising a decision by the Speaker last Tuesday, saying “2nd week in a row where the Speaker looked like Mafia Don running his @NZNationalParty protection racket.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11258423

It is an opportunity for Little to tip Mallard as he doesn’t seem to realise himself he is past his Best By Date.
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April 14, 2016 9:34am
Manolo

Taunting the Navy: http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=94170

A United States Navy destroyer operating in international waters in the Baltic Sea experienced several close interactions by Russian aircraft on April 11 and 12.

USS Donald Cook encountered multiple, aggressive flight maneuvers by Russian aircraft that were performed within close proximity of the ship.
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April 14, 2016 9:37am
Ed Snack

Manolo, Huma Abedin isn’t targeted as a courtier, it’s that she’s in the wrong camp. All her family links are to the Moslem Brotherhood, and they don’t see exactly eye to eye with ISIL.

Mikenmild, the Royalist was a Dido class anti-aircraft cruiser built in 1942-3, extensively modified in 1955. She was not entirely suitable if the RNZN was independent, but at the time the RNZN operated as an almost integral part of the RN and Royalist was in fact crewed by a mix of RN, RAN, and RNZN bods. For the time she was possibly the most effective larger ship available from acceptable sources. The USN could probably have provided something better with better range, but in context, I don’t think it was a notably poor decision. And just IMHO, but the Anzac frigates were pretty poor and way too expensive. We could have bought four better equipped ships elsewhere if we didn’t want, for political reasons, to support the notoriously inefficient Australian shipbuilding industry.

To my mind, the LAV purchase would be the single worst decision, the volume was so ridiculous.
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April 14, 2016 9:37am
Keeping Stock

@ OMBE – WO says this:

Yesterday at 2:34pm Trevor Mallard made a tweet that didn’t just accuse John Key of being associated with tax evasion, it actually stated he was involved.

I have a screenshot, but the tweet has since been deleted, and I’m not going to repeat what it said.

Suffice to say it was highly defamatory and you would think that an Assistant Speaker of the House would know better that to use Twitter from inside the house to defame the Prime Minister.

But deleting the text doesn’t make the defamation any less.

Worse still he tweeted that during Question Time.

As I said above, I have seen the tweet myself; it was doing the rounds last night. Republishing it risks repeating Mallard’s alleged defamation, so WO is being sensible and responsible. The fact though that there are screenshots around is bad news for Mallard.
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April 14, 2016 9:38am
igm

Fancy charlatan Lees-Galloway having the audacity to demand an apology from WE because he told the truth about many young unemployable Kiwis. Having personally had a gutsful of giving many of these young buggers a chance, am now glad not to be in a position where it is unnecessary to even consider thinking about problems they created, most coming from families of self-entitlement and welfare dependence. Lees-Galloway would fall into WE’s category, being of a similar ilk to Little, having never been in business nor held a real job, leeching high salaries from low-paid unionists on the premise of representation . . . a joke!
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April 14, 2016 9:38am
Grant

Sorry Griff. Not a semantic correction in the slightest, 3rd form science stuff probably.

For what it’s worth, the earth does have a slight wobble as well, called precession.

But, yes, you’re right Griff. The climate is changing, as it has since the planet was born.
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April 14, 2016 9:38am
tom hunter

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thank god we will get a national govt soon who will fix all of this left wing crap.

I hear you dime. As I write this morning a meeting is occurring in our district over a proposal to shut off the local water scheme for private houses. New regulations issued by the Waikato DHB mean that we either spend money to add infrastructure (chlorination, micro-filter, UV) to the scheme to bring it up to the new regs – or stop supplying farmhouses with the same water that goes into the troughs – as has been done since we built the scheme in 1983.

In all those years not a single person has caught any waterborne disease from this system, which has sand filtration and uses water coming out of a huge area of native bush.

I’m not even sure how they would know you were using the same water, since it’s piped to each farm and stored in generic tanks, with off-shoot isolation tanks to keep the houses going in case the system breaks down for a few days.

Be that as it may, their suggested alternatives include artesian wells, springs or roof run-off – all of which would actually take us back decades in time to systems that were more expensive, less reliable, and highly exposed to drought. Those and other reasons are why the system was built in the first place.

The Waikato DHB could make better use of its tax dollars by improving actual medical care – instead of chasing a bunch of distant farmers who have been living with well-understood risks that have not eventuated in thirty years.

And I’ll bet our local National MP has not a clue that this little piece of bureaucratic check-box ticking and bar-raising is even happening, nor what’s wrong with it. If he did know he’d probably approve the experts advice. After all, they’re experts in public health.
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April 14, 2016 9:39am
G152

I was in when we got the Whitby’s.
Those of my lot who didn’t get to Grapple
went and I seem to recall they were okay.
How about they just remake them ?
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April 14, 2016 9:39am
Gabby

Hey stinky, it looks like you were lying along with oldfart. What a couple of illiterates. What’s Liebor, whakkogirl?
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April 14, 2016 9:39am
blazeoflight

@igm

Yes, it’s always good to see the smug, arrogant, entitled Bill English nail his true colours to the mast.

Just another small government type who has spent almost his entire adult life sucking money out of government coffers while performing great disservice to so many.
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April 14, 2016 9:44am
Than

So far as I can tell, the procurement decisions of the early 1990s (LAVS, patrol craft, ditching air combat) were driven by a desire not to get anything too warlike.

Agreed, and this I believe was driven in large part by Helen Clark’s personal pacifism and dislike for the military. Deliberately trying to reduce the military capability of the defense force (without any public announcement or debate on the subject) is hugely worse than previous procurement stuff-ups, which were merely run-of-the-mill government incompetence.
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April 14, 2016 9:46am
stephieboy

Maggy Wassilieff,

Very unfair and of course you will provide examples ?

It is my understanding that Arthur Miller wrote his play with the McCarthyist anti communist witch hunts in mind and their all pervading sense of fear and paranoia .

I had in mind the same with the movie The Witch and the all pervading fear and paranoia about Islam . The same with various conspiracy theories ( especially the anti Jewish ones ) posted here from time to time. However to be fair I’m no sure whether the director Robert Eggers would necessarily agree with me .
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April 14, 2016 9:47am
mikenmild

Ed
If you are interested, I would recommend you read the chapter “More Royalist than the King” in Malcolm Templeton’s book on New Zealand and the Suez Crisis. Royalist was a disastrous acquisition, from start till its inglorious end in the 1960s.
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April 14, 2016 9:51am
kowtow

keeping S

“@ Kimbo – that’s a bit like when Munster beat the All Blacks in 1978. These days the number of people who claim to have been at the match is about ten times the actual capacity of the ground!”

That’s a bit like the joke about the GPO garrison in 1916 Dublin Easter rebellion .

It was said the place couldn’t have accomodated the numbers who subsequently claimed to have been there, fighting British tyranny.
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April 14, 2016 9:52am
Maggy Wassilieff

Grant 8:47am

which means that the different parts of the planet are a bit closer to the sun at different times of the year.

A clearer explanation doesn’t refer to closer/further from sun (Confuses some folks who think Earth moves closer to the Sun in summer).

Its the orientation of the hemispheres (due to Earth’s tilt) that changes as Earth orbits the Sun. The Southern Hemisphere is oriented toward the Sun for half the year. When the hemisphere is orientated toward the Sun the Sun’s light rays strike at a high angle (Summer). During Winter the Sun appears lower in the sky and rays of light striking Earth at a low angle and spread over a greater area.
These diagrams might help
http://www.morehead.unc.edu/Shows/EMS/seasons.htm
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April 14, 2016 9:53am
Colville

I have a pretty god idea that around Whanganui there are a lot of pesky Whallow deer (dama dama)

I have a very cute lil suppressed 223 that is looking for work if anyone needs any of said Whallow looked after 🙂

Happy to supply scotch/beer in exchange for access !
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April 14, 2016 9:56am
waikatosinger

Military technology has changed considerably in the last decade. Time for another defence review. The rise of drone technology for example is something we need to consider our response to.
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April 14, 2016 9:59am
kowtow

Here’s some of that enrichment stephie’s always telling us the third world brings to the west.

Bon appetit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3537652/Swindon-takeaway-chef-prepared-food-wiping-bottom-bare-hands-doesn-t-use-toilet-paper-cultural-reasons.html
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April 14, 2016 10:00am
stephieboy

Ed Snack,

,John McCain doesn’t think Huma Abden has any connections to the Muslim Brotherhood . He describes the allegations as “nothing less than an unwarranted and unfounded attack on an honorable woman.”

Wes Harris, Arizona Tea Party Leader, Seeks To Recall John McCain Over Huma Abedin Defense

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/wes-harris-arizona-tea-party_n_1697793.html

What does Wes Harris know that John Mc Cain and others don’t know ?

BTW, a timely reminder a great pity that GOP can’t field a front runner Presidential candidate with integrity and grace of John Mc Cain !
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April 14, 2016 10:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

@stephieboy

Very unfair and of course you will provide examples ?

Remember when you asked me if I was a creationist?
Remember yesterday when you mentioned the “white” views of Mt Roskill folks (and my reply)

But anyway, I wasn’t referring to you specifically… I was referring to the blogosphere in general…

Yes, yes, Miller wrote The Crucible wrt to the McCarthy goings-on….. but if you read the play, you’ll discover it is multi-themed.
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April 14, 2016 10:02am
Happychappy

It shows you who msm are rooting for when their is not one outlet condeming Trevor Mallard tweet about the Primeminister in Parliamentary Question Time yesterday.MSM have printed stories about Bill Englishs comments of the unemployed and Little with the union demanding a oppoligy yet Mallard can defame John Key and nothing to be seen.This has been done when he knows what the rules imply and is a deputy Speaker of the house.To many people use the house in defaming others and it is time for someone to be held to account for these slander comments
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April 14, 2016 10:02am
Manolo

The tolerant Islamic republic of Iran, another Muslim shit-hole:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/gay-cabin-crew-refuse-to-fly-to-the-death-penalty-in-iran/ar-BBrI4Ld?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignoutmd

The appeal comes only a week after hostesses and female pilots from the airline refused to fly on the Paris-Tehran route because they didn’t want to be forced to wear a veil and loose trousers. Air France has since agreed to allow female staff the chance to move to a different route if scheduled to fly to Iran.

The route to Tehran is the first since Air France suspended flights to Iran since 2008, when relations with the Arab country and the West deteriorated. But with improved diplomatic talks and a landmark nuclear agreement, airlines, including British Airways, are resuming flights this year.

However, Islamic law is strictly enforced in the country, including dress codes and behaviour.
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April 14, 2016 10:09am
stephieboy

kowtow, all I know that in South Asia it is a traditional ; practice by both Hindus and Muslims etc to wash their bottoms and genitals with water . Many feel that using toilet paper is actually a dirty practice and unhygienic .

Something for phobics like you to think about , eh ?
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April 14, 2016 10:10am
Ed Snack

Just to update having seen Mikenmild’s additional post. I don’t think Royalist was optimised for Arctic work, she did serve there relatively briefly in 1944, off Norway, but spent more time in the Mediterranean and Pacific. She was outfitted as an anti-aircraft frigate with 5.25″ HA guns optimised for the AA role. Later Colony class cruisers had automated 6″ turrets but although these had a longer range and were better for shore bombardment the automated turrets were troublesome and often jammed after 30 seconds or so of firing. The 5.25’s weren’t really an “odd calibre”, they were designed as HA guns with a much smaller and lighter mounting/shorter barrel and the ability to point nearly vertically upwards, and were reasonably common in the RN. The carriers had them, HMS Vanguard had them as secondary armament (after the main 15″ battery), all the Dido class had them. Royalist also had the most modern radar available and was additionally equipped for aircraft direction. She served in the Med during Suez, and when NZ decided to withdraw support for the Anglo-French action actually remained with the RN fleet providing radar and aircraft direction support as the RN had no equivalent immediately available. Like I noted, not entirely irrational if RNZN considered as an near integral part of RN.

She was (relatively) short ranged but longer ranged than the other cruiser class options available from the RN. A US ship would no doubt have been designed for Pacific cruising and have had a longer range. It wasn’t ideal, but Royalist had (just) enough range to operate if run economically.

Just as a footnote, a fellow I knew at school, his father served on Royalist as a CPO.
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April 14, 2016 10:10am
Andrei

maggy

These diagrams might help

Those diagrams are too simple – an ellipse has two foci and the sun is situated on of them thus the earth is closest to the sun at a time called perihelion and furtherest from the Sun at apihelion.

Furthermore the tilt if the earth rotates a phenomena called axial precession and it also wobbles

Currently the Earth is at aphelion during the Southern Hemisphere winter and perihelion during the summer. In about 13,000 years this situation will have reversed

People have tried to align this with glacial and interglacial epochs – it clearly has some impact on climate but exactly what impact is too hard to say
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April 14, 2016 10:10am
mikenmild

waikatosinger
There was a defence review published in 2010. The government announced another would be published last year, after public consultation, but nothing seems to have happened. The Defence Minister is Gerry Brownlee, so he’s probably writing it himself.
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April 14, 2016 10:11am
Nigel Kearney

If you ask an average seven year old which is the odd one out among muslims, communists and witches, I expect they will identify the correct answer and give the correct reason.
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April 14, 2016 10:11am
mikenmild

Ed
The RNZN never wanted Royalist; they wanted a six-frigate fleet. Royalist had been modernised at great cost by the Brits then mothballed – they wanted to get rid of it and knew a sucker when they met one.
The story of her involvement in the Franco-British attack on Egypt is a fascinating one. Royalist was operating with the RN Mediterranean Fleet after being taken over in the UK by the RNZN. The British just assumed she would stay as an integral part of the fleet when they invaded Egypt. New Zealand found itself being committed to war against Egypt without even being asked!
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April 14, 2016 10:16am
rangitoto

“A clearer explanation doesn’t refer to closer/further from sun (Confuses some folks who think Earth moves closer to the Sun in summer). etc”

Correct Maggie. Interestingly, the Earth is actually closest to the Sun in early January during the Northern Hemisphere winter. As the Earth is closer to the Sun at that time it is moving a little faster than average (see Kepler’s 2nd law of planetary motion). What that means for us in the Southern hemisphere is that the Southern summer is actually shorter than the Northern summer and the reverse for winter. So we getting shorter summer and longer winter. We are being robbed blind! The government should be doing something about it!
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April 14, 2016 10:17am
stephieboy

Maggy Wassilieff , I believe I asked you whether you were a creationist in the context of your climate change denial beliefs . It was point of clarification as there are many creation science believers associated with AGW denial movement .

Thats all.

Mt Roskill is a now a multicultural hub of Auckland . In the past it was like most of Auckland largely Pakeha and middle or upper class . Many here don’t seem to like this fact . They happen to be mainly pakeha .

Whats wrong with that ? I mean its their problem, not mine !Hopefully not yours too .
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April 14, 2016 10:20am
Grant

Thanks Maggy and Andrei and Rangitoto.
We should be compensated for our stunted summer!!

edited to include Rangitoto’s comment
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April 14, 2016 10:20am
Dave Mann

@captain: Where is Whanganui? Is it near Whaipukurau?

No, captain, don’t you know anything about geography? Its near Whellington.
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April 14, 2016 10:26am
Ed Snack

And another, stephieboy, Huma Abedin has documented and well known family links to the Moslem Brotherhood, for example her mother is a member of the womens branch of that organization, and her brother also has links. The extent to which those links are influential in any way is unknown, but there are links. Also, her work for IMMA (1996-2008) overlaps with several prominent activists (such as Abdullah Omar Naseef) with links to Al Qaeda and other organizations named as terrorist or terrorist supporting by the USA. Again, these are links and not specified to be necessarily active, but who knows what ISIL believes ?
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April 14, 2016 10:27am
Griff

Conservatives love subpoenas about climate change — until they get hit with one themselves
http://grist.org/politics/conservatives-love-subpoenas-about-climate-change-until-they-get-hit-with-one-themselves/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=flipboard

It’s become a go-to strategy for climate change deniers to demand subpoenas and documents from scientists whenever they get a whiff of a potential controversy. But they like it less when the same tactic is used on them.

Attorney general of the U.S. Virgin Islands Claude Walker served the conservative think tank Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) with a subpoena last Thursday, demanding several decades’ worth of communications, emails, and other documents pertaining to CEI’s work on climate change policy and donor information. By subpoenaing CEI, Walker is broadening “a multifaceted legal inquiry into whether fossil fuel companies broke any laws as they sought for decades to undermine the scientific consensus and head off forceful action to address the climate crisis,” reports InsideClimateNews.

Libertarian and conservative writers at at The Blaze, American Thinker, The Washington Times, Bloomberg View, and Cato Institute have criticized the subpoena, calling it the product of “hysterics,” part of an “absurd climate inquisition,” and a chapter in “Al Gore’s climate witch hunt.” CEI itself called the move “an affront” to its First Amendment rights, adding that if Walker succeeds, “the real victims will be all Americans, whose access to affordable energy will be hit by one costly regulation after another.”

Love the whackos displaying their knowledge on orbital effects for our climate.
Pity the same people have a great deal of difficulty placing their knowledge into context of the changing climate due to increasing co2 levels.
It is called willful ignorance .
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April 14, 2016 10:28am
dime

Milky – we live in a benign strategic environment. according to clarke. no need to ugly war machines.

it kills me we dont have f16’s.

the f16’s we could have got are sitting wrapped in plastic at the boneyard in arizona. a goddam tragedy!
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April 14, 2016 10:31am
dime

“Taunting the Navy: http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=94170

A United States Navy destroyer operating in international waters in the Baltic Sea experienced several close interactions by Russian aircraft on April 11 and 12.

USS Donald Cook encountered multiple, aggressive flight maneuvers by Russian aircraft that were performed within close proximity of the ship.”

A dangerous game.

I see the Russians stopped getting target lock on NATO f-16’s a few months ago after Mr Raptor arrived from Hawaii..
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April 14, 2016 10:33am
Ed Snack

Mike, that’s largely correct, as noted, the RNZN was seen as a nearly integral part of the RN and NZ seen as a thoroughly reliable ally. We were rather treated as almost a colony still, the Australians were pricklier. Royalist’s “sale” to RNZN was a means to keep it in commission outside the Navy Estimates.

I find the story of Suez most interesting when Holland ordered NZ (basically Royalist) to disengage, but in fact she remained with the fleet and active in the air-direction and radar picket role throughout. Like to see the correspondence, but likely enough Holland was well aware of this and was just establishing a “plausible deniability” scenario; there were mutterings of a Security Council investigation on war-crimes/warmongering that spooked NZ at the time.
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April 14, 2016 10:36am
All_on_Red

‘Maggy Wassilieff , I believe I asked you whether you were a creationist in the context of your climate change denial beliefs . It was point of clarification as there are many creation science believers associated with AGW denial movement .’

What, so 1.6 Billion Muslims dont believe in Global Warming?
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April 14, 2016 10:37am
Stars And Stripes

Dog registration is a total scam at every level as I don’t believe it improves safety at all as only the non problem dogs owned by responsible people are usually registered anyway.
All it does as with a lot of other things in this country is monetarily punish law abiding people for no tangible outcome.
As for all the scum with non registered dogs who are mostly involved in dog attacks well they just carry on with their feral little lives not giving a damn about anything except being parasites and spongers on the rest of society supported by the PC brigade who keep trying to convince us all that it is not their fault.
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April 14, 2016 10:37am
rangitoto

Dime – the f16’s are good planes but if we were buying anything, A10 Warthogs would have been more useful for ground support of our troops when overseas.
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April 14, 2016 10:40am
rangitoto

“What, so 1.6 Billion Muslims dont believe in Global Warming?”

Dunno but creationism and/or biological evolution denial is big with the Mozzie’s
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April 14, 2016 10:43am
Hugh Pavletich

EMOTIONAL EYEWASH IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR SORELY NEEDED PERFORMANCE LIANNE DALZIEL …

… Following near 3 years of lacklustre performance as Mayor of Christchurch, Lianne Dalziel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lianne_Dalziel ) admits ‘mental exhaustion’ to NewsTalkZBs Chris Lynch Tuesday … with immediate follow-up articles by Georgina Stylianou of The Press. Note readers’ comments …

Christchurch Mayor Lianne Dalziel with NewsTalkZBs Chris Lynch Tuesday 12 April

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/christchurch/canterbury-mornings/audio/lianne-dalziel-12-april/

… with follow-up reports by Georgina Stylianou of The Press … note readers’ comments on threads …

Christchurch Mayor Lianne Dalziel ‘mentally exhausted’ … Georgina Stylianou … The Press

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/78825384/christchurch-mayor-lianne-dalziel-mentally-exhausted

‘Exceptional’ comments from incumbent mayor Lianne Dalziel | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/78777276/exceptional-comments-from-incumbent-mayor-lianne-dalziel

As former United States Democratic President Harry S. Truman … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman ( quotes … http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/harry_s_truman.html ) said …

‘If you can’t take the heat … get out of the kitchen.’
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