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stephieboy

Shawn Herles, and this is your stellar example of uncontrolled Muslim rape rampaging as per Breitbard and Jihad Watch etc ?
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April 10, 2016 1:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

From the Herald:

“Long-serving Labour MP Clayton Cosgrove has announced he will not be standing at next year’s election.”

Reading between the lines, Angry Andy is taking the party too far leftwards for him. And he’s actually had business experience, so unlike most of his time-serving colleagues he will probably have a career path after Parliament.
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April 10, 2016 1:58pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
There have been plenty of examples pointed out to you and with the Newspaper source to back it up. All you have ever done is throw doubt on these acts occurring.
If you can’t condemn what are clearly vile acts, then you must support it.
The floor is yours.
Condemn them now.
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April 10, 2016 2:00pm
dirty harry

VicParking , doors over there >>>>>>>>>
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April 10, 2016 2:07pm
Happychappy

Another of Labours inefective and just here to earn a Parliamentary Pension Clayton Cosgrove has announced he will not seek his seat at the next election.This MP and several others are well past their use by date and should have gone five years ago but maybe the behaviour of their bulling out of depth Labour Leader Andrew Little does not enspire them to stay
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April 10, 2016 2:08pm
Scott

Regarding the Exclusive brethren article what struck me was the venom directed against the EB. It seems like the Exclusive brethren must be the worst people in the world. To me it also crossed the line between opinion and straight news reporting. It was supposed to be a headline news report, instead it was a hatchet job on the EB. If that’s their opinion fine but it was an opinion piece rather than any attempt at fair and objective news reporting.

Also the level of vitriol is amazingly high, these are obviously horrible people doing wicked things!

If they were terrorist Muslims they couldn’t have got a worse write up. Actually if they were terrorist Muslims they would have got a better write up. The reporter would probably would have visited the local mosque where they would write glowingly about the religion of peace and how we need to understand Islam better and not fall prey to Islamophobia.
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April 10, 2016 2:14pm
Kimbo

@ Liberty

The Salvation Army could also be called a sect. They are also politically active.

Yes..and no. Unlike the universally negative term “cult”, “sect” has both a pejorative and non-pejorative sense, and context determines the meaning. The pejorative/negative sense, as rightly applied to the Exclusive Brethren, means they are insular, exclusive, and with very distinct doctrines and practises that are well-outside the mainstream Christian interpretation. That rightly applies to the EB…, and Brian Tamaki’s Destiny Church…but not to the Sallies. None of which stops them engaging in the political process – indeed all have at one time or another. And I have, btw, seen criticism of the Sallies here on KB, and also Whale Oil – which is a legitimate right for both the pres and public in a free democracy. As long as no one is defamed.

However, you can rightly describe the Sallies as a sect, if you mean a group that broke away from the mainstream (which is larger historically established groups such as Catholics, Anglicans, Presbyterians), and still retains a separate existence. As has been the case with the Sallies for over 140 years since William and Katie Booth set up shop in the East End of London. (as an aside they do have one very peculiar distinctive – they are the only church/denomination/sect I know of that do not administer sacraments).

The lefty press are being inconsistent. As you don’t see the Army being referred to as a sect.
Then the Salvation army reports push all the socialist buttons the pinkos love.
Providing plenty of fodder for cry of the week stories.

I believe what you are criticising is “editorial stance”. You may disagree with it – as I do too on occasions – but unless they are misreporting facts, then they do not have any obligation to write it up in a way that satisfies or pleases you. That’s just how it is with the Fourth Estate. Don’t want to be offended or annoyed? Don’t read it. And I’d suggest as the Exclusive Brethren got as good as they were giving out, then the scrutiny they received in 2005…and the decision to pop in from time to time and see what they are up when it comes to influencing public policy is fair enough.
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April 10, 2016 2:15pm
stephieboy

All On Red, so the fellow groping the jogger or the taxi driver sexually assaulting the passenger are two examples of crimes unique to Muslims ? Crimes that are out of control where every young woman in this fair country must fear for her safety ?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11587558

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/292702/six-years'-jail-for-'home-invasion'-rape

http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/auckland-cemetery-rape-man-jailed-for-9-years-2014081113#axzz45Nz1ImnS

etc , etc,

Get off the grass !
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April 10, 2016 2:16pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
Still no condemnation of these acts by Muslims.
If you can’t condemn what are clearly vile acts, then you must support it.
The floor is yours.
Condemn them now.
Get off the fence
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April 10, 2016 2:20pm
Kimbo

@ Liberty

noun

1. a body of persons adhering to a particular religious faith; a religious denomination.

2. a group regarded as heretical or as deviating from a generally accepted religious tradition.

3. (in the sociology of religion) a Christian denomination characterized by insistence on strict qualifications for membership, as distinguished from the more inclusive groups called churches.

4. any group, party, or faction united by a specific doctrine or under a doctrinal leader.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sect

While all four definitions above apply to the Exclusive Brethren, I’d suggest 2 and probably 3 almost certainly don’t for the Sallies. Although my Reformation Protestant test of a true church – “faithful administration of the Sacraments” means I’m not entirely pleased about them!
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April 10, 2016 2:25pm
nasska

Kimbo

What brought the bricks down on the EB wasn’t so much their support of National although that would have gone down like a cup of cold sick with the lefty journalists. Rather it was the sheer & utter hypocrisy they displayed by becoming covertly involved in the electoral process while publically distancing themselves from the mechanisms of government.

Two faced arseholes generally don’t fare well in NZ.
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April 10, 2016 2:26pm
Nostradamus

Penny will be delighted:

Former politician John Banks has been reinstated as a Justice of the Peace after the quashing of his conviction for filing a false electoral return.

“This is just another step in putting a lot of wrongs right after a long, time-wasting and particularly nasty judicial jihad that should have never happened,” the 69-year-old said.

Banks, a former National cabinet minister, Act leader and Auckland City mayor, said there was still some washing up to be done after the Court of Appeal quashed his conviction last year.

I wonder if part of that washing up includes suing a person who used to sign off Kiwiblog comments with “dodgyjohnhasgone”?
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April 10, 2016 2:27pm
Kimbo

@ nasska

Rather it was the sheer & utter hypocrisy they displayed by becoming covertly involved in the electoral process while publically distancing themselves from the mechanisms of government.

Two faced arseholes generally don’t fare well in NZ.

Absolutely correct – and what undid it for Brash was that he was soooo stupid not to see the potential risk. Like Watergate, the incident itself was akin to the theft of a thimble in a monastery. But, especially in the context of an election, the public actually have very little by which to judge a politician’s competence (as the spin doctors are practicing their dark arts) other than how do they avoid or negotiate potential banana skins.

It is only religious and/or right-wing tribalism and personal bias that causes otherwise sound judges to think the Exclusive Brethren and Don Brash got a hard deal. A pious biased light-weight post like Scott’s above at 2:14pm – which, yet again fails to any example of misreporting of facts about the EB – demonstrates this to be so. No one was prosecuted, no one was fined, and most certainly no one was persecuted. Those who say or imply they were have no idea of what persecution really is.

Instead a bunch of idiots had an attempt at attack-politics blow up in their faces, and another idiot who should have realised that was a possibility all along did not sufficiently distance himself. Which is why Don Brash did not deserve to be Prime Minister, and why the likes of Helen Clark and John Key have what it takes to win that office.
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April 10, 2016 2:39pm
Istvaña

I do wonder at the Pope’s mention of Judas and in the present context he uses his name.
Jesus knew what Judas was about to do and intimated that at the Last Supper.
So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”
No Judas, no arrest, no completion of Christ’s plan.
Judas was part of a scheme, as was the arranged ass for Christ’s symbolic entry to Jerusalem, the already arranged upper room and other aspects of which the disciples seemed totally ignorant.

Jesus used Judas. The Pope could acknowledge that instead of prolonging myths.
Downtick away …
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April 10, 2016 2:44pm
All_on_Red

‘Two faced arseholes’
Reminds me of one of our verrrry regular commentators on KB
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April 10, 2016 2:55pm
stephieboy

All on Red, don’t be so shallow and inane . Like you I condemn any criminal act whether a Christchurch Taxi driver , the fellow groping the jogger or those ones I linked. ( btw the latter all non Muslim )

What I don’t try and do is single out their religion or possibly the colour of their skin as a way of condemning the attacks ! Unlike Shawn Herles and you do !

Istvaña , I think the Pope was using the term Judas metaphorically as a symbol of a betrayal to a cause or movement !
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April 10, 2016 2:56pm
All_on_Red

First time you’ve ever said you condemn any criminal act.Even then you can’t help yourself with your ‘btw they’re aren’t Muslim’. So you still can’t say that you specifically condemn Muslim violence. I recall you scoffing at the report of the 10yo being raped at the swimming pool. No condemnation then.
And I laugh at your bullshit smear of racism.
Still, today the extent of your hypocrisy and how low you are has been truly exposed.
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April 10, 2016 3:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Something more to worry about with global warming

Too hot for sex.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-09/climate-change-and-your-sex-life/7311702
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April 10, 2016 3:11pm
nasska

stephieboy

I suspect that you, like myself, grew up in the age of Aquarius, hug everyone & the ‘melting pot’ as promoted by Blue Mink. We were young & idealistic but sooner or later most of us were forced to mature & accept responsibility for raising families.

The changes I faced included reassessing the company I kept & revisiting my suspicion – trust – early warning settings. To do this requires working out who is a danger to mum, the kids & later, the grandchildren. This is where we start to discriminate against those with proven track records.

For instance should the goal be safety then choosing a neighbourhood free from gangs, pitbulls & breeders is advisable. Should you not want your family blown up by some headcase religious wanker nor your daughters molested then you avoid the followers of Allah like a dose of the clap.

It’s called prejudice & it has served us very well.
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April 10, 2016 3:13pm
Stars And Stripes

Stephie – “What I don’t try and do is single out their religion or possibly the colour of their skin as a way of condemning the attacks”

I realise this sort of thing does not sit comfortably with you but unfortunately some religions and skin colours have certain propensities to do things more than others so in a lot of cases actually are a very good tool to predict culpability.
You might think that is racist but to a lot of people it is realist.
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April 10, 2016 3:16pm
All_on_Red

Oh look, John Kerry has announced B52 bombers have arrived in Qatar to target ISIS. Looks like Cruz’s call for carpet bombing has been agreed with by Obama.
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April 10, 2016 3:21pm
stephieboy

nasal, I too chose my neighbours well but not with your kind of prejudices and your assumptions . With an added I think tinge of hysteria and paranoia on your part .

In other words all reality and non delusional based

All On Red, I think Crud was thinking of something more than B 52 bombers with his making the “sand glow. But hey he was always one for the political theatre !
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April 10, 2016 3:22pm
Manolo

Cameron is sweating:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3531929/You-think-money-s-Brexit-Cameron-s-former-speech-writer-moneyed-heritage-threatening-PM-s-popularity.html
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April 10, 2016 3:24pm
Nostradamus

Stephieboy:

nasal

There was nothing in Nasska’s comment that deserved this response. DPF’s comments policy states: “Give other commenters the courtesy of referring to them by the name or alias they use on this blog”. I’d suggest you stop being an asswipe, and stop trolling, before some Kiwiblog readers complain to DPF about you.
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April 10, 2016 3:26pm
Manolo

The last thing I expected was to find in bucolic NZ a pro-Muslim bigot like stephieboy. How wrong I was!
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April 10, 2016 3:27pm
Stars And Stripes

Tanczos becomes NZ’s first Rastafarian marriage celebrant
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/bites/301113/tanczos-becomes-nz's-first-rastafarian-marriage-celebrant

Wedding music to be strictly Bob Marley and afters will be a big 1lb tin of Coromandel gold shared out amongst attendees.
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April 10, 2016 3:29pm
Nostradamus

The politics of envy:

“[Auckland Action Against Poverty] believes that the contrast between the Young Nats’ Ball and the lives of the people seen at this year’s Impact is disturbing.

“Tonight the Young Nats are paying $128 for a ticket to drink expensive champagne and rub shoulders with current Prime Minister John Key and former Prime Minister Jenny Shipley.”

If it’s their money, and the taxpayer isn’t paying, then what’s the problem?
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April 10, 2016 3:35pm
stephieboy

Nostradamus ,I have to deal with all kinds of abuse and false accusations if you care to go back over this debate today and over on” Let private groups sponsor refugees ” Also as per Manolo just above.

I tend to give out what is thrown at me but with an attempted focus on evidence and facts . Not bigotry and prejudice aimed at certain minorities in our communities whether they be Muslim , Maori , Asian or whoever.

Let nasska lodge a complaint if he wishes but may I suggest not you on his behalf .
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April 10, 2016 3:37pm
Manolo

It is easy to feel offended nowadays:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3532012/Restaurant-called-Uncle-Ho-slammed-Vietnamese-community.html
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April 10, 2016 3:42pm
Nostradamus

Stephieboy:

I’ve just scanned through the Let private groups sponsor refugees thread and noted these comments of yours:

Utterly pathetic !
DifferentPerspective , what “Trojan horse” in NZ other than your deluded fantasies ?
Harriet , re miltatry rule . The appeal of someone such as Pinochet doing you’re thinking for you very enticing ?
tom hunter , just before you get too carried away by your bout of Islamaphobia ( likely caught from either the Trump bandwagon , or Cruz )
In future just keep us updated with your progress against you’re holy crusade against world wide Islam including its local members Also the imminent ” bam wam bombing” of the Middle East that will make “sands glow.”

That looks like trolling to me.
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April 10, 2016 3:50pm
nasska

stephieboy

I won’t be complaining to DPF & I doubt Nostra will either.

I would, however, suggest that nasal/nasska demonstrates a desperation of argument & an indication that you have scratched your way through the bottom of the barrel of witticisms & are heading subterranean. 🙂
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April 10, 2016 3:52pm
cha

Looks like Cruz’s call for carpet bombing has been agreed with by Obama.

Nope, they’re supposed to be the good guys.

The general in charge of the campaign against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is rejecting Sen. Ted Cruz’s call to carpet bomb the terrorists group.

“We are bound by the laws of armed conflict,” Army Lt. Gen. Sean MacFarland said Monday, when asked about that strategy.

“Indiscriminate bombing, where we don’t care if we’re killing innocents or combatants, is just inconsistent with our values,” he continued.

“And it’s what the Russians have been accused of doing in parts of northwest Syria. Right now we have the moral high ground, and I think that’s where we need to stay.”

Cruz, a 2016 contender, suggested in a speech Dec. 5 that he would carpet bomb the terror group if elected president.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/267769-general-repudiates-cruzs-plan-to-carpet-bomb-isis

btw, two aircraft, more rotation than tactical

The aircraft will operate in support of Operation Inherent Resolve, the air war against ISIS replacing the B-1 Lancers, the last of those returned stateside in January, after a 6-month deployment worth 3,800 munitions on 3,700 targets in 490 sorties. By the way, the B-1s could return to the Mideast this summer after they receive additional cockpit upgrades…

[…]

Dealing with the type of mission the B-52s will carry out in support of Operation Inherent Resolve, it will probably be the same of the B-1s: Close Air Support and Air Interdiction delivering a wide variety of PGMs (Precision Guided Munitions), including JDAMs on ISIS positions.

http://theaviationist.com/2016/04/09/two-b-52-strategic-bombers-have-just-arrived-in-qatar-to-start-pounding-isis/
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April 10, 2016 3:54pm
Viking2

Kimbo (5,548 comments) says:
April 10th, 2016 at 12:23 pm

@ Liberty

…but just to be clear, “sect” could also be used to describe the Open Brethren, although “denomination” (as they are not very different from the Baptists or Church of Christ in doctrine and piety) would be a better description. And the Open Brethren are certainly not a cult…

But all are entitled to religious liberty. But that does not mean immunity from scrutiny, especially when they seek to influence elections and public policy. Indeed, the press would be negligent not to report their actions so that the public is in an informed position to judge for themselves…

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Reporting is one thing, slurring and attacking basically from an opposition context by reporters is another.
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April 10, 2016 4:22pm
Kimbo

@ Viking2

Reporting is one thing, slurring and attacking basically from an opposition context by reporters is another.

…so despite repeated invitations, you still haven’t come up with a specific instance of mis-reporting of the facts concerning the Exclusive Brethren, I see?
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April 10, 2016 4:58pm
Liberty

Kimbo

You have finally worked out I have been criticising stuffs hack . Will that is a start.
The article was appalling. 11yrs ago stuff made a dick of themselves with their lets please Aunty Helen
agenda . Now they are regurgitating there venom. Why?
The world has moved on. The Lefties are in their rightful place. Opposition
and Aunty is working at pinkos utopia. The UN.
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April 10, 2016 5:03pm
Happychappy

I just read the comments at the standard on the piece about Clayton Cosgrove not standing at the next election and not one of the sleeze comments has a nice thing to say about him
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April 10, 2016 5:05pm
Shawn Herles

“That looks like trolling to me.”

It would be normally, but trolling actually requires some level of intelligence. Stephie is just a mindless left wing drone who cannot think for himself, or think at all, and his responses are just the uncritically imbibed mantras of a brainwashed member of the cult of political correctness.
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April 10, 2016 5:08pm
Shawn Herles

Stephie claims: “Like you I condemn any criminal act”

Bullshit. You have gone out of your way to excuse or deny the examples of Muslim rapes and sexual assaults posted here. I just proved that your notion that we have no problems with the Muslim community in NZ is wrong. Your response? Denial. You tried to claim, stupidly, that the Pakistanis who made up the child molesting rape gang were not Muslims. You have made no condemnation of that horror. Your response to the Cologne sexual assaults was not condemnation, but condemnation of those who DID condemn it.

You’re a very sick individual who is quite happy to defend rapists and child molesters if they are Muslim, and you are clearly living in a multicultural fantasy world which has no connection to reality.
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April 10, 2016 5:15pm
UglyTruth

I do wonder at the Pope’s mention of Judas and in the present context he uses his name.
Jesus knew what Judas was about to do and intimated that at the Last Supper.
So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”
No Judas, no arrest, no completion of Christ’s plan.

So if it all happened like the Christians say then why the two fates of Judas?

Hanged himself vs falling headlong/disembowelling?
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April 10, 2016 5:21pm
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

So if it all happened like the Christians say then why the two fates of Judas?

Hanged himself vs falling headlong/disembowelling?

This once I’ll break my “no engagement with UT” policy and also my unwillingness to interact with the “we must reconcile the Bible at every single point no matter how pedantic and anachronistic for it to be true” fallacy, and observe:

…very possibly, both. The rope snapped and Judas Iscariot had a hard landing on the sharp rocks beneath.
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April 10, 2016 5:26pm
Kimbo

@ Liberty

Kimbo

You have finally worked out I have been criticising stuffs hack . Will that is a start.
The article was appalling. 11yrs ago stuff made a dick of themselves with their lets please Aunty Helen
agenda . Now they are regurgitating there venom. Why?
The world has moved on. The Lefties are in their rightful place. Opposition
and Aunty is working at pinkos utopia. The UN.

Fair enough, Liberty. Might I suggest that if that is the editorial stance you are after, you refer to Redbaiter’s website…unless you already are Redbaiter – who did the LANCB thing around here some time ago…
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April 10, 2016 5:31pm
UglyTruth

The rope snapped and Judas Iscariot had a hard landing on the sharp rocks beneath.

If that happened he would have fallen feet first, not headlong.
If the rope snapped why not mention it so that people understood what happened?

“They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption.” Quran 4:157

The answer can be found in the prophetic Psalms, which describe the crucified man as someone who was ashamed and knew of his dishonour, someone like Judas.
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April 10, 2016 5:33pm
Shawn Herles

And stephie, as to you supposedly suffering abuse, it might be because of your use of attacks like this:

“stephieboy (10,888 comments) says:
December 28th, 2014 at 6:41 pm

Oh dear.. ,

What joy there is to shatter a few far right nut bar illusuons about MSM New York Tines in depth and sympathetic coverage of the police deaths including VP Joe Biden actually helping authoring, frame and implementing on a tough on crime bill especially bin favour of police officers .

Wetting or fulling their pance over Joe’s funeral eulogy ?

Additionally chasing up the Rev Shapton on his unpaid taxes as a criminal act.?

I suppose this is all one could expect from the Jes. Bush cheer squad .

Or are we seeing in fact a revival of the KKK with say Manolo as Honoury Imperial Grand Wizard ?

[DPF: Unacceptable. First warning]”

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/12/a_ny_post_editorial.html#comment-1456726

You make comments like the one above all the time. What exactly did you expect to occur from calling right wing folks on a right wing blog “nut bars” and KKK supporters?

Only a few days ago you claimed I would abuse a Muslim women and her child if I saw them on the street, something I would never do, and a comment which was just plain sick.

Not to mention your constant lie that anyone concerned about Muslim immigration and terrorism wants to start a war with the entire global Muslim population, a lie you repeat above.

It’s comments like this that get you treated roughly, and rightly so.

Here’s a clue. If you don’t like it, stop dishing it.
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April 10, 2016 5:39pm
calendar girl

stephieboy @3:37pm:

“Let nasska lodge a complaint if he wishes but may I suggest not you on his behalf.”

All that leaves, then, is your simple task of posting a brief apology to nasska (e.g. “Apologies, nasska”). Not too much to expect, is it?
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April 10, 2016 5:40pm
Kimbo

Yes, and that standard of wooden literalness – was Jesus crucified on a cross…or a tree as per Galatians 3:16? –

….which demands an ancient text must record events with the exact accuracy of a 21st Century electronic recording device,

…and your failure to allow any dramatic license – Luke is linking Judas’ fate with the quintessential evil doer of the Psalms and Proverbs who, typically “will fall headlong/be brought low” in an act of divine retribution-

…also means the following:

When the sun rose, God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on the head of Jonah so that he was faint. And he asked that he might die and said, “It is better for me to die than to live.” (Jonah 4:8)

…supposedly proves the Scriptures are wrong as they contradict scientific fact.

Over and out, UT.
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April 10, 2016 5:44pm
Kimbo

Galatians 3:13
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April 10, 2016 5:50pm
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78443390/sharing-the-taonga-who-owns-maori-intellectual-property

Read this yesterday- Made scratch my head…So Maori are now laying claim to Tattooing as their ‘intellectual property’?
Did they really ‘invent’ Tattooing?
The ancient Celts and Saxons Tattooed their faces, Qing Dynasty in China were fond of Tattooing faces also.
Otzi the Iceman (From 3000 BC) also kind of blows their greedy claims out of the park -He had 60 tattoos all over his body..
I wish someone in the NZ media would challenge this bullshit we constantly get fed about our ‘Tangata Whenua’ inventing everything.
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April 10, 2016 5:59pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles,

“Bullshit. You have gone out of your way to excuse or deny the examples of Muslim rapes and sexual assaults posted here…. ”

Where exactly ?
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April 10, 2016 5:59pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn Herles, and this is your stellar example of uncontrolled Muslim rape rampaging as per Breitbard and Jihad Watch etc ?”

No. They are examples of the fact that too many Muslim men have zero respect for Western women, and women in general. Which is why anyone who was really pro-women would question importing them in large numbers.

And the Muslim rape rampaging is not per Breitbart or Jihad Watch, unless you are claiming that the entire MSM is also wrong, as the Cologne attacks were reported by them as well.
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April 10, 2016 6:00pm
Liberty

Kimbo

“unless you already are Redbaiter”

No not Redbaiter
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April 10, 2016 6:01pm
Shawn Herles

“Read this yesterday- Made scratch my head…So Maori are now laying claim to Tattooing as their ‘intellectual property’?”

Seriously? That’s just insane. So Celts, Vikings, Samoans, Native Americans, Chinese, Japanese, all stole tattooing from the Maori?
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April 10, 2016 6:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Colmar brunton Poll out

Nat up 3% to 50%

Labour down 4% to can’t remember….
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April 10, 2016 6:06pm
UglyTruth

…and your failure to allow any dramatic license

Why should there be any need for dramatic license if the fate of Judas was a know quantity?

There’s no dramatic license in Luke 4:29: “that they might cast him down headlong”.

– Luke is linking Judas’ fate with the quintessential evil doer of the Psalms and Proverbs who, typically “will fall headlong/be brought low” in an act of divine retribution-

Hardly typical. The only other verse which uses the word ‘headlong’ in the KJV is Job 5:13

He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.
Job 5:13

The point is that the contradictory accounts of the fate of Judas indicate that the full story of the crucifixion is not being told in the gospels. The prophets, the Quran, and the Gnostic texts all support the idea that it was Judas who was crucified.
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April 10, 2016 6:11pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, but you you were referring I believe to an instance of sexual assault by a Christchurch taxi driver which you deduced from his name being a Muslim .
Then there was the instance if groping in the Port hills .This allows some like you you to suugest that this is a typical problem among most Muslim men, whether in Cologne or here .
That of course is untrue unless you can show a statistical incidence of many more sexual assaults recorded and prevalent iamongst NZ male Muslims over and above the average .
I would say you can’t but be free to show otherwise
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April 10, 2016 6:17pm
flipper

Maggs….
To 28%…
And Colmar Brunton is usually kind to labour.
Oh dear. What a pity. Never mind.
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April 10, 2016 6:25pm
nasska

….”Labour down 4% to can’t remember….”….

I wouldn’t worry about it as I’m certain that the socialists won’t either.

They’ll just keep on blaming JK for their rotten luck & carry on with the same garbage. 🙂
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April 10, 2016 6:25pm
stigie

This Colmar Brunton poll just out is not good for Liarbore, Angry and the unions.

Oh dear, how sad and you know the rest.

Might wander over to the Stranded later and look at the ranting that this is rogue poll, should be fun !~
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April 10, 2016 6:27pm
Reid

Shawn Herles, but you you were referring I believe to an instance of sexual assault by a Christchurch taxi driver which you deduced from his name being a Muslim.

Don’t worry stephie, all the people who upticked him for that absolutely know for sure with no doubt that while Liarbore was totally incorrect doing the same thing with Asians buying property in Akld, with Muslims it’s different, because they just know they’re all evil, whereas (in their hallucination) Asians are all good and couldn’t possibly do anything wrong, ever.

Two legs bad, four legs good you see stephie?

Quite simple, isn’t it.

At least for some here on Kiwiblog, it is.

Ain’t that right guys.

In some ways it’d be great to live in your simple, black and white world, in other ways, it wouldn’t cos I’d be bored in 5 mins, it’s so profoundly simple.

Boy I’d love to meet some of you guys in a pub one night and have an argument. I’d tape it and put it on YouTube. It’d be viral next morning, I guarantee it. All that bleating, baaing, roaring and bellowing. Fuck it’d be funny.
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April 10, 2016 6:29pm
Longknives

Hey Stephie I have to ask- Have you ever travelled outside New Zealand? In particular been to Egypt or the Middle East? I have and it’s pretty common knowledge how unpleasant/sometimes dangerous it is for Western Women….
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April 10, 2016 6:42pm
nasska

….”with Muslims it’s different, because they just know they’re all evil, whereas (in their hallucination) Asians are all good “….

Humour me please Reid. All the bleating, baaing, roaring and bellowing has taken its toll on my memory.

Can you fill me in on the last time an Asian strapped explosives to himself & blew up half a hundred innocent citizens? Also refresh my memory on Asian rape gangs targeting kids such as in Rotherham.

Just a hint or two & I’ll probably be able to remember all those arsehole Chinese who practise FGM & treat women like shit.

Thanks.
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April 10, 2016 6:47pm
Reid

Humour me please Reid.

OK, but I shouldn’t have to, you should already know all this.

He who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.

Google “Asian war crimes”

About 3,510,000 results (0.69 seconds)

The end.

Get a clue mate.

Thanks.

WTF is wrong with you dudes anyway. This is not about whether Asians are bad, it’s about whether Muslims are the only threat in the Universe, which clearly, they’re not. I bet if you google Western war crimes you’ll get a similar number of hits.

THAT’S NOT (Duh!!!!!!!!) THE POINT.

Hopefully, you dudes aren’t so profoundly fucking thick as to require that I actually spell out the point, but sadly, I strongly suspect some of you indeed are. (But not you, nasska.)
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April 10, 2016 6:54pm
nasska

…”Google “Asian war crimes””….

But I was after normal day to day happenings in the past twenty odd years Reid. I know we can learn from history but today’s politicians are setting us up for tomorrow’s carnage.
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April 10, 2016 6:59pm
stigie

You’re lovely Reid..!!
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April 10, 2016 6:59pm
All_on_Red

Reid
Specious argument. You may as well link to what the hordes of Ghengis Khan did. Or the Knights Templar.We are discussing the behaviour of migrants from the Middle East in 2015 and 2016. Not EVERY threat that exists in the world.Do try to keep up.
There’s plenty of evidence out there to support the view that there’s a problem with sexual harassment. And remember rape is all about power not sex.
Here, look for yourself
http://Www.google.com
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April 10, 2016 7:00pm
Reid

I know we can learn from history but today’s politicians are setting us up for tomorrow’s carnage.

Whammo.

See?

I knew you weren’t one of the dummies nasska.

So let’s get this straight.

The Western politicians invade and destroy Libya, making it a failed state, which breeds ISIS, which spread to the previous state the Western politicians failed: Iraq. And then, the Western politicians decide to destroy Syria, which eventually leads to a Muslim invasion of Europe, and who do the profoundly fucking stupid Western sheeple blame for this state of affairs?

That’s right, the fucking morons blame the stupid animals who are simply behaving as their education and cultural upbringing dictates under the legal and police enforcement conditions that – guess who – that’s right, the Western politicians, setup for them when they got to land of plenty they were encouraged to migrate to.

I’ve never said and I never will say how the Muslims are behaving in Europe is reasonable, because it isn’t, but they are behaving – duh – to expectations, according to the pre-conditions setup up by guess who?

And where are the fucking stupid sheeple when it comes to demanding accountability FROM THE PEOPLE WITH ROOT CAUSE RESPONSIBILITY?

Nowhere, that’s where.

And isn’t that just fucking dumb, of the idiot stupid moronic fools who comprise the population of the Western sheeple, who are the dummies supposed to be holding the Western politicians to account?

You’re lovely Reid..!!

If the sheeple weren’t so dumb stigie, I wouldn’t need to be quite so harsh. I don’t enjoy it, I wish it wasn’t necessary, but sadly, it is.
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April 10, 2016 7:07pm
Nostradamus

Poll dancing

The popularity of John Key’s government is showing no sign of waning, with support for National climbing in the latest ONE News Colmar Brunton poll.
…
National has climbed three points to 50 percent – a level it hasn’t been at since August 2014 – while Labour is down a whopping four points to 28 percent.
…
While John Key has slipped one point in the preferred Prime Minister poll to 39 percent support, Winston Peters is a clear second on 10 percent while Mr Little languishes on seven percent.

*Giggle*

Would the real leader of the opposition please stand up?
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April 10, 2016 7:13pm
nasska

….”The Western politicians invade and destroy Libya, making it a failed state, which breeds ISIS, which spread to the previous state the Western politicians failed: Iraq. And then, the Western politicians decide to destroy Syria, which eventually leads to a Muslim invasion of Europe, and who do the profoundly fucking stupid Western sheeple blame for this state of affairs?”….

I’d go along with that Reid. But….

….”the stupid animals who are simply behaving as their education and cultural upbringing”…..

….is the problem. We are not residents of the ME or Europe. You, I & OUR politicians live in NZ & as far as I’m concerned the latter have a duty of care to the citizens they represent. That duty extends to locking our borders to those who are hard wired for violence & oppression.

We don’t need the world’s refugees….it’s that simple!
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April 10, 2016 7:17pm
Reid

*Giggle*

Would the real leader of the opposition please stand up?

Are you worried about this Nosty?

I am, very.

Because of what it shows us about the weakness of the media in this country.

It demonstrates the media have no legs. That they can’t perform unless they have politicians running interference for them.

And that’s critical in a democracy, not to have an independent and strong media.

It’s fundamental to proper function.

And we don’t have it.

Clearly.

Period.
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April 10, 2016 7:21pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

Are you worried about this Nosty?
I am, very.

This video should cheer you up Reid. The sight of Pete Hodgson and Trevor Mallard dancing like spastics is a guaranteed laugh every time!
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April 10, 2016 7:26pm
Reid

We don’t need the world’s refugees….it’s that simple!

This has nothing to do with NZ nasska except insofar as:
a) we take some in from there and
b) it eventually affects our region, such as Indonesia become radicalised.

But as John Donne says so brilliantly, I’m a part of the continent, a piece of the main, and when the bell tolls, I don’t need to ask for whom, I know it tolls for me.
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April 10, 2016 7:27pm
srylands

Some excellent examples of utterly mad people in this thread on The Standard. John Key, Chinese people, rich people all get sprayed with spittle.

http://thestandard.org.nz/key-attends-secret-lunch-to-raise-cash-for-flag-change-campaign/

I would just note that a ‘private’ lunch is not the same as a ‘secret’ lunch. Only at The Standard would a fund raising lunch by a politician attract withing shrieks of hatred.

They are utterly mad.
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April 10, 2016 7:27pm
wreck1080

Ha ha a second bad experience with the local maori in as many weeks.

Honestly, I am sick of the low life maori in our area. They really are scum bags. And very racist as proven by our little experience today.

But, what are you going to do , they are the special people. And, if you say anything in defense they will smash in your head.
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April 10, 2016 7:34pm
stephieboy

nasska,

“..hat duty extends to locking our borders to those who are hard wired for violence & oppression.”

Who is “hard wired for violence & expression ” ?

Reid, interesting. What you seem to be describing is a rehash of the old disproven SE Asian Vietnam communist domino effect
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April 10, 2016 7:43pm
Nostradamus

Despair at The Standard:

Paul
10 April 2016 at 12:01 am

Why people vote against their interests is beyond me.

Incognito
10 April 2016 at 12:48 am

Most people don’t think it through. One million or so can’t even be bothered to tick a box on a piece of paper once every three years. It is less effort than brushing your teeth or wiping your bottom and I presume that those one million people at least do these things.

The missing million have a lot to answer for!

(And to the person who reflexively downticks my comments: suck my hairy balls!)
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April 10, 2016 8:06pm
cha

Next week Carlos Santana and his band Santana will release their 24th album, Santana IV – have a listen.
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April 10, 2016 8:07pm
nasska

….” It is less effort than brushing your teeth or wiping your bottom and I presume that those one million people at least do these things”…..

Lies! Labour’s missing voters don’t get out of bed for less than a bucket of KFC. 🙂
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April 10, 2016 8:08pm
nasska

…..”And to the person who reflexively downticks my comments: suck my hairy balls”…..

I think you may have identified the problem Nostra. The thought of your hirsute gonads is turning someone off.

You’ll have to defoliate! 🙂
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April 10, 2016 8:12pm
wreck1080

To the person who gave me the downtick — a few recent experiences….. the maori 11yr old boy who smashed kids cycle helmet then threatened to beat up my partner when she told him off — what kind of 11yr old does that? Evil. Imagine when that little monster gets older.

Then, the 3 maori youths who the other week threatened to smash my family and I (including my 7yr old) walking back to our car at night because we looked at them — although, given they were walking down the road swearing and jumping in front of traffic I admit we probably did look at them . No doubt their younger protege from the previous experience will join them in prison sometime in future.

And today, the maori lady, and i use that term loosely, who gave me the fingers because she didn’t approve of the way i parked in a nearly empty car park. Then called me the f word and honky and a racist rant etc etc. With kids in the car. She didn’t like my parking and for this I receive a hate bile filled rant ?

Honestly, what is it with these people?
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April 10, 2016 8:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@nasska

You’ll have to defoliate! 🙂

No, no, no,…..he’ll have to depilate.

Botanists/gardeners are quite familiar with defoliation; but I assure you, depilating hairy balls is not a horticultural skill.
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April 10, 2016 8:23pm
nasska

….”Botanists/gardeners are quite familiar with defoliation; but I assure you, depilating hairy balls is not a horticultural skill.”….

The botanists & gardeners have probably lead sheltered lives Maggy & may not have thus far assessed Nostra’s nuts.

Nevertheless, as a poor semi literate cocky I’ll bow to your superior knowledge. 🙂
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April 10, 2016 8:28pm
cha

Busy week ahead in not a tax haven.
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When New Zealand Prime Minister John Key flew into Malta for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in November 2015, he already knew he shared some important views with his host, Malta’s Prime Minister Joseph Muscat, about the importance of keeping the tax secrets of foreign investors.

Both countries are quiet achievers in the ranks of global tax havens, and both are determined to keep it that way.

http://www.afr.com/business/banking-and-finance/the-panama-papers-nz–the-quiet-tax-haven-achiever-20160401-gnvw7s
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April 10, 2016 8:32pm
pentwig

stephieboy (10,891 comments) says:I really are daffy duck. Really!!

You have not accepted AoR’s challenge yet daffy.
Iprent and micky too slow to respond to your request for help?
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April 10, 2016 8:39pm
Nostradamus

Maggy:

Is there a special horticultural term for “trimming the hedge” at Hagley Park?
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April 10, 2016 8:41pm
stigie

“(And to the person who reflexively downticks my comments: suck my hairy balls!)”

Have a tidy up Nostra before tomorrows General Debate and put up a photo of the finished article, thats a good chap..?
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April 10, 2016 8:42pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Modesty (and DPF’s policy) prevents me from posting full-frontal photos here. I appreciate your interest though!
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April 10, 2016 8:47pm
stephieboy

wreck1080 , extraordinary string of encounters. with our Maori brothers and sisters.

They might suggest the demographics of the area in which you live such as Flaxmere or Flat Bush ?
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April 10, 2016 8:52pm
pentwig

Good grief Stigie. After 60? years of untrimmed testicles can you imagine the uncertainty of trimming that jungle. Monkeys swinging, snakes, all kind of vermin and whatever else. Take pity on his partner who will have to do the job. Maybe if she is wise she will call in a lawn mowing service. Sorry nostie I have a weird sense of humour I guess. No offence to you.
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April 10, 2016 8:59pm
Kimbo

@ Liberty

Kimbo

“unless you already are Redbaiter”

No not Redbaiter

Fair enough. As I have no substantial reason to suspect otherwise, I prefer not to suspect the veracity of what others post unless there are compelling and consistent reasons to the contrary and you seem to be a gentleman – an office to which I aspire, sometimes unsuccessfully (as Inandout can attest, courtesy of my inability to properly distinguish him from another – again, Inandout, I am humbly sorry), – I withdraw and apologise.
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April 10, 2016 8:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

There’s always something new to learn…
I may have to partially retract my 8;28pm…

It would seem that another common name for the swan plant is hairy balls
http://monarchbutterflygarden.net/milkweed-plant-seed-resources/asclepias-physocarpa/

@Nostradamus
common horticultural term for trimming vegetation … pruning…..
specifically for Hagley Park.?… I’m not sure… but my Thesaurus had salami-slicing as a synonym for pruning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U17biUjwZX0
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April 10, 2016 9:22pm
Nostradamus

No offence taken, Pentwig. I even gave you an uptick for effort (but not for originality) 🙂
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April 10, 2016 9:23pm
Inandout

Kimbo 8.59: As I retire for the night, your apology accepted.
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April 10, 2016 10:19pm
blazeoflight

In the UK, Cameron releases his tax returns.

I don’t see anyone asking the obvious question: what’s in his returns aren’t the point.

We are talking tax havens here, so surely releasing his returns is begging the question?

Why are they even taken seriously when we know he has been diddling his tax for decades?

I wonder how many of our current cabinet members are just so chirpy that it wasn’t their tax haven accountants that got hacked!
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April 10, 2016 10:31pm
Left Right and Centre

General TV review – Decades In Colour. NZ archive footage from 1960s this week. This should be TV gold but they always know how to shit all over everything, don’t they ? Do I really need the dumb-dumb comments added by munters over the footage ? Kills the whole thing. I know – just turn the sound down. Will do next time. Judy Bailey ? If I want to see some kindergarten sounding twerp I’ll watch Julie Andrews in Sound Of Music.

It was all ‘issues driven’ – look – a white / Maori couple. Adopted babies. Gay people. Poor people. Young people wanting to be different. Drunk people swilling. Asians and foreigners. Who asked for all of that bullshit ? It’s meant to be ‘New Zealand – in the 1960s – here it is’. Not – NZ – here’s all the worst crap we could fit in the time slot’.

I hung on for ages and then it was just talkback caller level morons dribbling on so I said that’s enough – fucking idiots. It should be called ‘dribbling morons talking over archive footage’. Don’t just pick the dropkicks to come on – there must’ve been people that weren’t gormless insufferable gimps back then. No-one had anything good to say – what a bunch of turds – just slagging everything off. What a terrible place it was apparently.

I swear that one old peasant hick was rattling on about collecting enough cream from his mates’ milk bottles to ‘make butter’. How was that related to the footage ? Show some school milk footage – and then find some old dropkick lunatic to tell his milk-butter story ? What a joke. I want to see the footage – not hear all the duh-duh nonsense of these drongos – way to ruin it retards. I wanted to suffocate all of them with pillows. All of them.
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April 11, 2016 5:07am
Left Right and Centre

I was looking at the Salvation Army wikipedia page – they don’t really like homos, do they ? More nutters.
It should be – judge a society on how they treat their elderly, their sick and . . . homos.
Fancy trying to tell homos that they should choose a life of celibacy. Say what now ?
And there’s only one Boss. Try telling that to the sand monkeys and quite a few other no-thinkers.
I suppose at least they’re not on suicide missions. Weirdos.
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April 11, 2016 5:19am
UglyTruth

I don’t see anyone asking the obvious question: what’s in his returns aren’t the point.

Bingo. Not many people like asking the hard questions, it seems.
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April 11, 2016 7:27am
Rachael Membery

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11620168

Penny gets a mention again. I have to say that 12k seems low, how many years worth is that?
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April 11, 2016 7:31am
Rachael Membery

Nostradamus (4,400 comments) says:

April 10th, 2016 at 7:26 pm

I am not sure that spastic is allowed as a word any more amongst the pc, too emotive or descriptive? The source of the down ticks? I am not going near your hairy balls, however. lol
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April 11, 2016 7:48am
Viking2

So apparently we are not a Tax Haven?

Well maybe, but the use of Trust to deceive is the greater issue.

Clearly where money and lawyers are involved anything or everything is possible.

Panama law firm Mossack Fonseca bragged to clients how easy New Zealand laws made it for foreign investors to hide their tax-free profits, according to new revalations in the “Panama Papers.”

The Australian Financial Review reported today that in 2012 Mossack Fonseca’s New Zealand staff reported advice they received from an executive at Nexus Trust: “NZ has very weak laws in regard to due diligence; they only require utility bill and passport. Trust companies are not required to hold a licence.”

There was no need to register who put assets into a foreign trust and, according to documents the AFR has seen. A Staples Rodway lawyer reportedly explained another advantage: “The New Zealand definition of ‘beneficial owner’ is different to that of many other jurisdictions, in that we do not require due diligence on the person/s who will benefit from the funds.”

Two years later the firm’s New Zealand office was asked for “combo packs.” The packs were a combination of New Zealand foreign trusts (which pay no tax on foreign income) and what is described as Look Through Companies (LTCs), which could be owned by the trusts, and which also pay zero tax on offshore earnings, the AFR reported.

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Prime Minister John Key has told Radio New Zealand an independent review of the legislation around foreign trusts is likely to go ahead.

Key told RNZ’s Morning Report he would ask Cabinet today for an independent expert to review New Zealand’s rules around foreign trusts.

“It’s highly likely I think that the government will ask an expert in this area to undertake an independent review just for good order.”

Key told RNZ he doesn’t believe he has ever used an offshore account to hide money, but did have a superannuation fund in Singapore after working and living in the country.
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Happily we can accept this assurance of Key but some of his world friends may not be so clean.

Key has a lot to win and not a lot to lose to open this out. NZ will be the winner in the end. (especially important if Key wants Clark to get the UN Job)
Oh the Lawyers may lose their 23 million, although, its a certainty that they will find a way around that too.

That small amount will be offset by the lowering of the the NZ$ value because our minute currency will no longer be a favorite currency for the bandits and all. Our primary industries will recoup that amount in seconds.

the troubling issue though is why Key wants some”independent Person” to sort through this.
Its a big issue, needs to be made transparent and one would think that a Commission of Inquiry is well justified if for no other reason than the transparency and the ability for all to hear the arguments.

Political it maybe but we are naturally political and the worst outcome would be another round of secrecy and obfuscation as we have now.
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April 11, 2016 8:07am
EAD

The revolution devours itself, the snake eats its own tail. And it’s happening at an increasing rate. I refer here to the vibrants turning on White women, even when they’re (cough) ‘liberal

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/its-oh-so-beautiful.html?m=0
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