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General Debate 9 March 2016

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Maggy Wassilieff

Wellingtonians now own Zealandia’s visitor centre….. A white elephant if ever there was.

Intergenerational theft of $10M from the ratepayers.
Incompetent governance by the trustees and shockingly poor oversight by City Councillors.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/77696468/zealandia-hands-control-of-its-visitor-centre-to-wellington-city-council-wiping-10m-debt
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March 9, 2016 2:16pm
Manolo

Similar to NZ Labour’s strategy to bring in more voters:
http://www.azfamily.com/story/31416401/sheriff-babeu-obama-has-handcuffed-border-patrol

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu denounced the Obama administration Tuesday, accusing the White House of preventing border agents from enforcing immigration laws.

Babeu, flanked by Border Patrol agents and union leaders, said high-traffic smuggling routes are not appropriately staffed and laid into the administration for failed leadership.
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March 9, 2016 2:21pm
rangitoto

“Except that defending Thermopylae was Themistocles’ plan:”

There was nothing wrong with that plan but it depended on the defenders not getting outflanked. Even so a stronger Greek force could have held the Persians off. Leonidas should have retreated when the game was up. In any case the action has no significance in terms of the war.
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March 9, 2016 2:28pm
AgentBallSack

Maggy if they accept it runs at a loss, let everyone in free like they do Te Papa I have no problem with it. It does showcase some of NZs flora and fauna but most families don’t want to pay $50 to go see Tuis. Make it free and put it on the tourist map.
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March 9, 2016 2:40pm
ciaron

rangitoto (611 comments) says:
March 9th, 2016 at 2:28 pm
“Except that defending Thermopylae was Themistocles’ plan:”

There was nothing wrong with that plan but it depended on the defenders not getting outflanked. Even so a stronger Greek force could have held the Persians off. Leonidas should have retreated when the game was up. In any case the action has no significance in terms of the war.

I disagree. The Spartan march to Thermopalaye was unprecedented, S.O.P. for them was to mount a defense the Corinthian Isthmus and everyone else could sort their own sh*t out. I also disagree that a stronger force could have held the pass, given that although the narrowness of the pass rendered the Persian infantry numerical superiority ineffective, the defenders were always going to be vulnerable to the Persian archers as the action progressed.

I’ve read a fair few books on the subject, not just Steven Pressfield’s romanticisation, and every one of them credits the sacrifice at Thermopylae as being pivotal to the campaign.

Also worth note, I can’t remember if it was in Paul Cartledge or Ernle Bradford’s book but the observation was made that all passes are turnable, given time. The author infers that had the Persians not found the ‘goat path’ (cheers, Ephialtes…) which was apparently no secret, Xerxes would simply have taken the longer way around and bypassed the Greek contingent entirely.
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March 9, 2016 3:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Agentballsack

Zealandia (or Karori Sanctuary) was set up to be a showcase of eco-restoration….. (or so the green spin went)

Profligate waste of resources and money isn’t my idea of good stewardship.

The millions of $$$$ that have been wasted on Zealandia could have been put to better use by any one or all of the other ecoprojects running in Wellington.

There are other similar projects (i.e. Nga manu, Rotokare reserve, Bushy Park, Hinewai) that have managed to live within their budgets and still get good gains in plant and bird recovery.

Zealandia has been a disaster of an eco-showcase.

The Council will never make it free entry.
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March 9, 2016 3:42pm
RF

Breaking news re Police Officers shot in the Bay of Plenty.

Love them or hate them we need them to protect us. I hope they were not unarmed and easy targets as Mike Bush might have some explaining. A recent survey amongst Police revealed that the majority wanted to be armed.
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March 9, 2016 4:25pm
rangitoto

“I disagree. The Spartan march to Thermopalaye was unprecedented, S.O.P. for them was to mount a defense the Corinthian Isthmus and everyone else could sort their own sh*t out. I also disagree that a stronger force could have held the pass, given that although the narrowness of the pass rendered the Persian infantry numerical superiority ineffective, the defenders were always going to be vulnerable to the Persian archers as the action progressed.”

I’m still not seeing how it had any impact on the outcome of the war. The Persians weren’t significantly weakened, nor did it gain anything in terms of time for the Greeks. One story I do like (not sure if it is true), where Leonidas was warned that the Persian archers were so numerous that their arrows would blot out the sun. To which Leonidas replied “Good, we will be able to fight in the shade”
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March 9, 2016 4:30pm
Keeping Stock

Russell John Tully guilty of two charges of murder and one of attempted murder.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11602535

Well done to the jury here, although finding him not guilty of one count of attempted murder was a bit odd. I hope Tully never sets foot outside prison again.
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March 9, 2016 4:32pm
wikiriwhis business

Kaukapakapa pupils have history with current ensign.

Recent polls show the New Zealand flag has nearly twice the amount of support as its alternative and it seems even schoolchildren would prefer the flag stay the same.

Only two of the 14 Year 7 and 8 Kaukapakapa School pupils asked by the Herald said they preferred the alternative flag option to the existing flag.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11602207&ref=NZH_FBpage

hahah

This whole flag change crap has flown right in J Keys face pffffffffffffffffff

Feed the kids
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March 9, 2016 4:34pm
Keeping Stock

@ RF – it’s reported that both officers have been seriously wounded, and have been helicoptered to hospital. Thoughts and prayers are with them, their families, and their colleagues.
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March 9, 2016 4:37pm
Inandout

Seems like this referendum has attracted some flag change nutters.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/298496/flag-voting-paper-theft-investigated
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March 9, 2016 4:39pm
Manolo

Another animal meets his maker Allah. Will he be mourned?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/08/isis-minister-war-likely-killed-in-us-airstrike-in-syria-defense-official-says.html?intcmp=hplnws

Tarkhan Tayumurazovich Batirashvili, also known as Abu Umar al-Shishani, is believed to have been killed in the aerial attack last Friday, according to U.S. officials.
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March 9, 2016 4:45pm
wikiriwhis business

I see Mr Farrar and probably all of you are ignoring the elephant in the room

Zero hours has been scrapped

you right wing employers must be spewing

You all thought you were taking us back to feudalism and we get a right wing minister saying they had to give the dogs a bone.

national is really worried about the next election. They trying to change our whole culture for their benefit and to subjugate us. And you treasonous share holders who will sell the country for your profits are losing big time. No one is listening to your full scale crap any more .

Personally I think J Key claiming to have been burgled like a normal citizen was the straw that broke the camels back

All National has succeeded in doing is take our reputation and credibility down internationally, sell us off and help corporates try to buy us out with TPP. And so much more.

I really believe national will lose the next election. Then we have to start fighting the communists. But at least the Fascists will have been dealt with
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March 9, 2016 4:45pm
wikiriwhis business

At Secretive Meeting, Tech CEOs And Top Republicans Commiserate, Plot To Stop Trump
Karl Rove shared focus group findings that give hope to the GOP establishment.

Described unimaginatively but accurately as “opulent,” Sea Island, Georgia, hosted a gaggle of Republican leaders and tech CEOs for the American Enterprise Institute’s annual World Forum.

Billionaires, tech CEOs and top members of the Republican establishment flew to a private island resort off the coast of Georgia this weekend for the American Enterprise Institute’s annual World Forum, according to sources familiar with the secretive gathering.

The main topic at the closed-to-the-press confab? How to stop Republican front-runner Donald Trump.

Apple CEO Tim Cook, Google co-founder Larry Page, Napster creator and Facebook investor Sean Parker, and Tesla Motors and SpaceX honcho Elon Musk all attended. So did Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), political guru Karl Rove, House Speaker Paul Ryan, GOP Sens. Tom Cotton (Ark.), Cory Gardner (Colo.), Tim Scott (S.C.), Rob Portman (Ohio) and Ben Sasse (Neb.), who recently made news by saying he “cannot support Donald Trump.”

Along with Ryan, the House was represented by Energy and Commerce Committee Chair Fred Upton (Mich.), Rep. Kevin Brady (Texas) and almost-Speaker Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), sources said, along with leadership figure Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.), Budget Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-Ga.), Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (Texas) and Diane Black (Tenn.).

Philip Anschutz, the billionaire GOP donor whose company owns a stake in Sea Island, was also there, along with Democratic Rep. John Delaney, who represents Maryland. Arthur Sulzberger, the publisher of The New York Times, was there, too, a Times spokeswoman confirmed.

“A specter was haunting the World Forum–the specter of Donald Trump,” Kristol wrote in an emailed report from the conference, borrowing the opening lines of the Communist Manifesto. “There was much unhappiness about his emergence, a good deal of talk, some of it insightful and thoughtful, about why he’s done so well, and many expressions of hope that he would be defeated.”

“The key task now, to once again paraphrase Karl Marx, is less to understand Trump than to stop him,” Kristol wrote. “In general, there’s a little too much hand-wringing, brow-furrowing, and fatalism out there and not quite enough resolving to save the party from nominating or the country electing someone who simply shouldn’t be president.”

A highlight of the gathering was a presentation by Rove about focus group findings on Trump. The business mogul’s greatest weakness, according to Rove, was that voters have a very hard time envisioning him as “presidential” and as somebody their children should look up to. They also see him as somebody who can be erratic and shouldn’t have his (small) fingers anywhere near a nuclear trigger.

Sources familiar with the meeting — who requested anonymity because the forum is off the record — said that much of the conversation around Trump centered on “how this happened, rather than how are we going to stop him,” as one person put it.

Trump, who already has nearly one-third of the delegates he needs to secure the GOP nomination, faces major tests in the Florida and Ohio primaries next week. If he wins both those states, he will need to win just half of the remaining delegates to secure the nomination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aei-world-forum-donald-trump_us_56ddbd38e4b0ffe6f8ea125d?2oz85mi
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March 9, 2016 4:53pm
Awww C-mon

3 shot, 2 serious

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11602754

Few hours earlier this happened down the road… 10 mins away max…

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/121325-motorcycle-rider-seriously-injured.html

Risking jumping to conclusions but knowing the area, the cops spent the morning cleaning up the crash to then go and be shot by cuzzies of the crash ‘victims’

FFS I hope not…
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March 9, 2016 5:00pm
starboard

Cops shot..welcome to Nil Ziland, the wild west of the Pacific , where you get whacked with a wet bus ticket for murder and out in 10..hey murder 2 and get a discounted sentence.

Madness.
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March 9, 2016 5:06pm
Keeping Stock

national is really worried about the next election. They trying to change our whole culture for their benefit and to subjugate us. And you treasonous share holders who will sell the country for your profits are losing big time. No one is listening to your full scale crap any more .

Personally I think J Key claiming to have been burgled like a normal citizen was the straw that broke the camels back

All National has succeeded in doing is take our reputation and credibility down internationally, sell us off and help corporates try to buy us out with TPP. And so much more.

I really believe national will lose the next election. Then we have to start fighting the communists. But at least the Fascists will have been dealt with

Why don’t you tell us what you REALLY think wikiriwhi?
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March 9, 2016 5:06pm
Manolo

Only the multiculturalist elites running the EU are prepared to trust the unreliable Turks and let their country join in:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/migrant-exchange-turkey-accepts-mass-returns-but-sends-syrians-to-europe/2016/03/08/126205ce-e4aa-11e5-a9ce-681055c7a05f_story.html

To keep the migrants from their doorstep, the Europeans are now willing to pay — a lot. Already promised some $3.3 billion to do more to contain the crisis, Turkey — a nation whose authoritarian leader is cracking down on freedoms at home — would now be paid double that.
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March 9, 2016 5:09pm
RF

Awe C-mon. I understand cannabis might be involved. Someone was firing shots at a Police spotter plane flying over a rural area.
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March 9, 2016 5:09pm
wikiriwhis business

“Why don’t you tell us what you REALLY think wikiriwhi?”

I’m being civil and polite which is more than what our MP’s do when they rape us on a daily basis

“Give the dog’s a bone”

Straight out of a right wing politicians mouth

and you complaining about me

Warped.
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March 9, 2016 5:14pm
Keeping Stock

Cops shot..welcome to Nil Ziland, the wild west of the Pacific , where you get whacked with a wet bus ticket for murder and out in 10..hey murder 2 and get a discounted sentence.

Madness.

Starboard – in the case of Tully, the degree of premeditation and the utter cowardice of shooting public servants (women) in cold blood, assassination style, I would be surprised if he gets less than 25 years non-parole. His crime is up there with that of William Bell (Mt Wellington RSA – 30 years non-parole) and Graeme Burton (26 years non-parole).
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March 9, 2016 5:16pm
Awww C-mon

Do you know the area RF?

Heaps of Maize grown which has provided over the years more cash returns for the dope growers than the farmers! Surrounding bush not far away but pretty easy guess is the maize crops getting buzzed then…
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March 9, 2016 5:17pm
wikiriwhis business

Ohio lost 112,500 jobs due to trade with TPP countries (graphic): EPI

CLEVELAND, Ohio – Ohio lost 112,500 jobs in 2015 resulting from the United States’ trade deficit with countries that are part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, according to an analysis by the Economic Policy Institute.

That places Ohio sixth, in terms of the percentage of jobs lost to trade with TPP countries, among the 50 states and the District of Columbia ranked in the report released Thursday by the liberal Washington, D.C.-based think tank. The lost jobs represent nearly 2.2 percent of employment in Ohio, according to the analysis.

The total number of lost jobs includes those directly and indirectly impacted by the trade deficit with TPP countries. It also includes the number of jobs EPI says would have been created through the multiplier or “respending” effect had trade with those countries been more balanced.

The TPP is a free trade agreement between the United States and 11 partnership countries, including Canada, Mexico, Japan, Singapore and Malaysia. While the countries have reached final agreement on the trade accord, it probably will not go into effect for several months. The agreement must clear several hurdles, including final ratification by Congress.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/03/ohio_lost_112500_jobs_due_to_t.html

Don’t look now but I think there’s a lot J key isn’t telling us
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March 9, 2016 5:26pm
starboard

Im just talking in general with murder. His case is pretty extreme. My gripe is say , bloke gets knifed in pub and dies. Chances are the offender will get 12 years or ” life ” ( lol ) but be out wandering around in 8 with time off for good behaviour. Fuck that.
Minimum sentence for murder starting at 25 years. No parole ..nothing. No argument.

This rooster Tully..now he is a candidate for the noose..which will never happen here, so next best thing..LWOP.
I’ll gladly pay another 50 bucks a week in tax so long as I know its going towards building prisons to keep scum out of society.

Better still, , Im a firm believer in doing a deal with the Chinese and sending all of our scum and filth to them ( on a barge ).
Give them 50K a year per prisoner. Bargain.
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March 9, 2016 5:27pm
starboard

“wikiriwhi? ”

How the fuck do you pronounce that ? What sort of business is he in ?
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March 9, 2016 5:29pm
ex-golfer

So Russell Tully’s attempts to appear insane have failed him – good job, I’m just surprised it took the jury so long.
The irony is that he will now get what he wanted – a roof over his head and three square a day, all at the taxpayers expense.
There is a much cheaper option in these clear-cut cases – but we’ve become too soft as a society to do it.

I wonder if all the liberal lefty lovies complaining about money being wasted on other things will complain so vigorously on money being wasted to keep vermin like this in prison?

Edit: Starboard – snap – I agree
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March 9, 2016 5:30pm
wikiriwhis business

” What sort of business is he in ?”

hahahah
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March 9, 2016 5:33pm
starboard

well..what sort of business do you operate wikiriwhis business ?
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March 9, 2016 5:36pm
Awww C-mon

the bitching and moaning kind SB, just read his posts

Tully + Bullet = Good Outcome
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March 9, 2016 5:38pm
wikiriwhis business

Trump: Another Manchurian Candidate?

Trump’s rise disturbs world media … As the U.S. woke up Wednesday to the news that Donald Trump had triumphed in a majority of the states up for grabs in the Super Tuesday contests, the wider world also woke up to the prospect of a man whom some consider a demagogue occupying the world’s most powerful political office … – Financial Express

The mainstream media is filled with howls about Donald Trump. Even the most positive articles about him tend to catalogue his political achievements within a larger context of GOP consternation and evident fury.

Here is our question, as close observers of the mainstream media: Is it propaganda of a sort? Is the evident antipathy orchestrated to serve certain purposes of a shadowy power elite?

To elaborate: Are those at the top of US society who evidently structure and control US elections creating a figure that is sympathetic to the tens of millions who are deeply alienated from almost every part of establishment society?

Is Trump himself part of a deeper plan? After all, by providing a significant political service to very powerful individuals, Trump could gain significant professional advantages.

There is no doubt that elite factions wish to destroy the US as a significant republican force. At the same time, they want the process to be a controlled one. The end game is to be carefully calibrated. Trump can help with that process.

Additionally, just as the mainstream media has focused on the negatives regarding Trump, so the alternative ‘Net media has taken an opposing perspective, often supporting Trump enthusiastically.

Ironically, then, the alternative media is celebrating a man who just a year ago would have been characterized – rightly or wrongly – by many of those outlets in a different and more negative light.

Trump’s GOP popularity is generated in part from his willingness to bluntly express problems the US is facing. Also from hints that some US narratives – 9/11 in particular – are not accurate.

Major politicians in both parties often don’t verbalize the tremendous difficulties the US faces. This is because the banking elites that wield power in the US and throughout the Western world have made sure the political class pursues policies that are in the long-term destructive to the US and Western nation-states generally.

The goal is a more centralized and international world. Politicians therefore have to pretend that monetary debasement, serial warfare, the anti-“terrorist” security state and other freedom-sapping and economically destabilizing policies are beneficial and necessary.

Simply by hinting at the reality of this larger conversation and its falsities, Trump attracts millions of enthusiastic supporters.

Yet the Trump phenomenon contains puzzling contradictions. As a high-profile businessman, he probably would want to stay away from the kind of controversies he has now cultivated.

And if one looks at his social and political history, it seems obvious that he was just as friendly with powerful Democrats as Republicans – and especially with the Clintons.

His past political pronouncements, what there are of them, don’t seem especially conservative or libertarian.

While businessmen are usually averse to bad publicity, his high-profile campaign continually attracts all sorts of negative press.

From the article excerpted above:

In Israel, writer Ari Shavit asked in the newspaper Haaretz: … “What enables a brilliant, dangerous, repulsive, rude clown to take one step after another toward the White House?”

In the Americas, former Nobel laureate Mario Vargas Llosa branded Trump a danger to the United States … “[The U.S.] is a country that is too important for the rest of the world to have in the White House a clown, a demagogue and a racist.”

Questions thus remain about Trump’s motives and legitimacy. And conspiratorial theories continue to circulate.

One is that Trump has entered the GOP race to ensure a presidential victory for Hillary Clinton.

Bill Clinton was accused of a similar strategy when he ran for president. At the time, a third-party candidate, Ross Perot, was said to have conspired with the Clintons to enter the race in order to siphon off Republican votes.

Time will tell if these larger speculations have any merit. In the meantime, Trump’s charisma, energy and blunt talk has captured large parts of the alternative media.

Unfortunately, even if Trump were elected, it is doubtful that he could do much to restore America’s “greatness.” The US federal legislative system is thoroughly corrupt and almost impossible to change.

Via current spying methodologies and subsequent blackmail of legislators, the military-industrial complex and intelligence agencies can likely block any significant moves to fundamentally change the status quo. Presumably Trump himself has areas that could present issues.

Also, Congress creates and passes legislation. To the degree that Trump could make his presence felt, it would be through unconstitutional executive orders. Thus he would be helping destroy the remnants of the constitutional process he supposedly wants to uphold.

http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/trump-another-manchurian-candidate/

This is probably a take you guys are more comfortable with
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March 9, 2016 5:41pm
wikiriwhis business

The trouble with conservatism is the belief that all men should be islands and support themselves by themselves with themselves.

A myth that simply does not reflect the real world . Otherwise you wouldn’t have friends, colleagues or associates
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March 9, 2016 5:44pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/77709361/woman-seriously-assaulted-in-papamoa

We know, dont we…
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March 9, 2016 5:45pm
wiseowl

Anyone catch the de facto gays on prime that have two daughters and want more law changes about adoption because of discrimination.

More of what is wrong with this bloody country, enough to make one sick.
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March 9, 2016 5:51pm
wikiriwhis business

“well..what sort of business do you operate wikiriwhis business ?”

Social but not socialism.

Contrary to public opinion I could no more vote Labour than I could National

I once had the opportunity as a journo to ask J Key why he didn’t like MMP which gives the electorate an opportunity to vote fo rlessr parties when we cannot vote for lessr parties. In this case I wanted to vote Act to help against Labour. Win/win it seemed.

As it turned out regardless of MMP the Key govt won outright last election. it seems the mode of voting makes no real difference.
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March 9, 2016 5:52pm
rangitoto

Under FFP the Nats would have a big majority of seats and Win’s win wouldn’t have made any difference.
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March 9, 2016 5:58pm
Awww C-mon

SB re: Papamoa, most likely but not confirmed, plenty of white trash as well..
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March 9, 2016 6:00pm
Inandout

wikiriwhis business;

‘Trump: Another Manchurian Candidate?’

Obama: Another Manchurian Candidate?
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March 9, 2016 6:05pm
rangitoto

“Feed the kids”

Don’t be a bludger. Feed your own kids.
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March 9, 2016 6:06pm
Griff

Some of us when confronted with a story involving gays dont shift our imagination in waping overdrive imagining their sex life in sordid detail.
Those that do are a worry..Do they also imagine the sex life of granny and granddad or any other couple they read about? Or is it only homos that places such a one into overdrive of sexual fantasy ?
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March 9, 2016 6:08pm
Longknives

“So Russell Tully’s attempts to appear insane have failed him – good job, I’m just surprised it took the jury so long.”

Sue Bradford will be gutted- As she openly supported this murderous bastard..
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March 9, 2016 6:09pm
Odakyu-sen

wikiriwhis business

“The trouble with conservatism is the belief that all men should be islands and support themselves by themselves with themselves.”

There is nothing to stop conservatives from working together in union to achieve a common goal.
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March 9, 2016 6:11pm
Captain Mainwaring

Wikiriwhis.
In the business of being a complete and utter fuckwit.
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March 9, 2016 6:23pm
wikiriwhis business

“There is nothing to stop conservatives from working together in union to achieve a common goal.”

But that in itself becomes Socialism. Ask any American.
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March 9, 2016 6:24pm
Awww C-mon

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11602754

Bastard tagged four… No Good.
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March 9, 2016 6:25pm
nasska

…..”There is nothing to stop conservatives from working together in union to achieve a common goal.”….

History shows them able to co operate with their fellows when the opportunities for financial advantage & social control present themselves. So long as they become richer & make others lives more wretched through their god then all is well.
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March 9, 2016 6:25pm
wikiriwhis business

” So long as they become richer & make others lives more wretched through their god then all is well.”

Their god is the god of mammon greed
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March 9, 2016 6:28pm
wikiriwhis business

“Wikiriwhis.
In the business of being a complete and utter xxxwit.”

Don’t panic capt!

Couldn’t resist that
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March 9, 2016 6:30pm
Keeping Stock

@ Starboard – wikiriwhi is a Winstonite; Peters, that is, not Churchill
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March 9, 2016 6:30pm
starboard

Whats with this transgender toilet shite? ” Hmm, I dont know if Im male or female” ?

I be thinking you need to see a shrink. Have a look at your tackle..surely that should give you some idea ?
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March 9, 2016 6:31pm
Keeping Stock

@ Awww C-mon – sounds like an impending case of suicide by cop to me.

From the Herald’s coverage:

A woman yelled “they want to shoot him” at a police cordon in Eastern Bay of Plenty where four officers were shot and injured this afternoon.

The woman, who is believed to know the armed offender, was yelling at the cordon on Onepu Spring Rd near Kawerau: “They want to shoot him, that’s why they won’t let us in.

What does she expect? The bloke has shot four cops, so they’re hardly going to go and knock on the door, and ask him politely to come out for a cuppa and a chat. If you produce a firearm at Police, everything that happens after that is entirely your own fault.
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March 9, 2016 6:32pm
ex-golfer

@Longknives
“Sue Bradford will be gutted- As she openly supported this murderous bastard..”

Maybe the judge could sentence Tully to life living with Bradford – then both would be happy……………….or would she?

Bradford: All talk, no do……..and gave up when the going got too tough in Parliament. Simply proves she was just full of hot air. Hasn’t the anti-smacking law made a world of difference with zero children being murdered since??……….oh wait…..
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March 9, 2016 6:33pm
wiseowl

Never even thought of sex grief.
The thought of two lovely baby girls being bought up by two gay guys in a de facto relationship makes me think of the girls and their right to be bought up in a normal hetero family not be used as some experiment to satisfy gay rights.
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March 9, 2016 6:35pm
Longknives

RIP Sir George Martin
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March 9, 2016 6:35pm
wikiriwhis business

Flashback: Networks Hailed Clinton’s 1994 Nuclear Deal with North Kore
The “Big Three” (ABC, CBS, and NBC) networks have hailed the “historic” deal with
http://newsbusters.org/…/flashback-networks-hailed…
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March 9, 2016 6:36pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

The next moral purity project has arrived:

The author of sexually explicit New Zealand youth novel Into the River is releasing a sequel which deals with similarly controversial issues.
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The book is written in a similar tone and also deals with “social realism much needed in Young Adult fiction”, [author Ted Dawe] said. “People who were offended by Into the River will be offended by Into the World. “There’s sex, violence and racism; issues similar to Into the River but Devon has left school now so the book is more adult, more political.”

More adult = more sexually explicit?

Into the World will not have any classifications or restrictions when it is released.

The wowsers won’t like that!

Family First director Bob Croskie, who campaigned for the ban on Into the River, wasn’t aware Dawe had written a sequel but said he wouldn’t be taking any follow-up action after its release. “[I] won’t be interested in the book at all unless it receives a Children’s Book of the Year Award.

That can be arranged!

My favourite Kiwiblog comment on Into the River was this one by Fletch. He couldn’t even bring himself to write the words “cock” and “sperm” in full – instead preferring “c**k” and “*****”!
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March 9, 2016 6:36pm
wikiriwhis business

GCSB may be given permission to spy on Kiwis’ private information

New Zealand’s foreign intelligence agency should be able to spy on Kiwis’ private communications, a wide-ranging intelligence and security review has recommended.

At the same time, a new single piece of legislation to govern both the activities of the Security Intelligence Service and Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) would contain a beefed-up authorisation process, designed to safeguard privacy.

However, that could be overridden in urgent situations where there is a threat to life, or a brief window of time to obtain intelligence critical to national security.

National will attempt to get Labour onboard to support legislation based on the report – but face strong opposition from the Greens, who say the proposals will result in a “culture of fear and spying”.

The Government-ordered review, released today and completed by former Labour Deputy Prime Minister Sir Michael Cullen and lawyer and professional director Dame Patsy Reddy, contains 107 recommendations.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11602643&ref=NZH_FBpage

The right wing and the left wing belong to the same bird
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March 9, 2016 6:41pm
nasska

….”That can be arranged!”…..

I’ve got a handy rule of thumb when considering the merit of any publication Nostra. If Bob doesn’t like it then I’m for it.
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March 9, 2016 6:42pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

If Bob doesn’t like it then I’m for it.

And if Bob likes it…?
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March 9, 2016 6:43pm
nasska

….”My favourite Kiwiblog comment on Into the River was this one by Fletch. He couldn’t even bring himself to write the words “cock” and “sperm” in full – instead preferring “c**k” and “*****”!”…..

He probably had a “w**k” & shot his “l**d” all over his screen. 🙂

Edit:

….”And if Bob likes it…?”….

Dunno. It’s never happened!
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March 9, 2016 6:45pm
Reid

Anyone catch the de facto gays on prime that have two daughters and want more law changes about adoption because of discrimination.

More of what is wrong with this bloody country, enough to make one sick.

Social engineering, some of us were warning the sheeple during the gay marriage debate it was a foot in the door.

Social engineering is always wrapped in human wights and it’s being used here just like in Europe with the rapeugees, different arena, same tactics, same sheeple going baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa because they’ve never bothered to familiarise themselves with social engineering and propaganda.

Bear in mind propaganda doesn’t work without a compliant media and naturally the stoooooooooopid sheeple hallucinate that not all journo’s can possibli be evil therefore OUR media is fwee. Hooway!

What the idiot moronic sheeple fail to calculate is it only takes a few people in key positions in the media to propagate messages, look at how AP and Reuters puts out complete bullshit about world affairs which is simply swallowed whole and regurgitated.

This is how any and all social engineering works. Its elementary.

The bizarre thing is that because it’s wrapped in a veneer of human wights the people who are the good guys and pointing out the dangers are excoriated first by the evil lefties and then by the rest of the sheeple who don’t understand what they’re talking about. Hence the agenda gets through. Bit by bit. Slice the elephant.

Look at gay marriage. 9/10 of you were downticking and ranting and raving about how wonderful it all was and why people like me were completely wrong.

Well, I was right, you were wrong, eat that.

Not to make you mad and not to rate myself, but just to make a point that you remember so the next time me and a few aware others start pointing out the social engineering machinations, you remember what I just said. Even if you don’t like it. Because remember, as my country goes to hell in a handcart because 9/10 people here were fucking morons who were too fucking stupid to listen, we all suffer, not just you.

Aren’t sheeple stooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid.
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March 9, 2016 6:47pm
Griff

So other than their homo sexual practices you think for some strange reason man can not bring up children.
Hate to tell you this but I do know a couple of men that have brought up young girls as solo dads.
In both cases the resulting grown woman are now well adjusted productive members of society .
two men should mange to do even better .
Who gives a fuck what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms besides perverts intent on having a good fap?
What the fuck has the parents sexual practices got to do with bringing up the children?
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March 9, 2016 6:48pm
Nostradamus

Griff:

What the fuck has the parents sexual practices got to do with bringing up the children?

Ok, Griff, seeing as you asked:

Child T has brought in a plastic police badge and a plastic handcuffs key for Show & Tell.
Question: Where are your handcuffs?
Answer: My mum and dad broke them when they were playing with them.
(Teacher did NOT comment and quickly moved on to next child.)

All clear now? 🙂
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March 9, 2016 6:53pm
wikiriwhis business

Bush Implicated in Savings & Loan Crisis Joins Cruz National Finance Team

Neil Bush, the brother of Jeb and George W. Bush, has joined the Ted Cruz national finance team.

The move opens the door for the Bush dynasty to support the Texas senator in his bid for the White House.

The Dallas Morning News characterizes Neil Bush as a possible outlier within the family and reports it remains to be seen if the dynasty will shift its weigh behind the Cruz campaign after the failure of Jeb Bush to gain support for the nomination.

Neil Bush’s role on the Cruz national finance team is striking considering his history.

Key Figure in the Savings and Loan Scandal

Bush was a member of the board of directors of Denver-based Silverado during the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s.

According to an investigation conducted by the US Office of Thrift Supervision, Neil Bush illegally engaged in “breaches of his fiduciary duties involving multiple conflicts of interest” that led to the downfall of the institution.

The savings and loan crisis ultimately cost the American taxpayers over a trillion dollars.

Neil avoided going to prison for his role in the scandal. The boss of Silverado S&L, however, was not so lucky. Michael Wise was sentenced to three and a half years in the Federal prison at Leavenworth after pleading guilty to stealing nearly $9 million from investors.

George Bush, Sr. and Jeb were also implicated in the scandal.

Jeb defaulted on a $4.56 million loan from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida. The taxpayers ended up shelling out $4 million to pay off the loan Jeb and his partners used to buy an office building.

The corporate media ignored Bush’s shady savings and loan dealings during his presidential campaign.

http://www.infowars.com/bush-implicated-in-savings-loan-crisis-joins-cruz-national-finance-team/

More right wing criminality
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March 9, 2016 6:54pm
mikenmild

Longknives
I’m no fan of Sue Bradford, but you keep repeating the lie that she ‘supported’ Russell Tully, the Ashburton murderer.
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March 9, 2016 6:56pm
Longknives

Don’t remember her initial tweets then Mikey? She was literally crowing with delight..
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March 9, 2016 6:58pm
Griff

Actually i did consider bringing up our future king and some of the rather strange ideas he has about woman’s monthly supplies as comparison to homo behavior nostra.
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March 9, 2016 6:58pm
AgentBallSack

George Martin “the fifth Beatle” has died. You could hear his influence in every Beatles song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwvtpdDld_g
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March 9, 2016 7:06pm
mikenmild

Longknives
Her tweet was “Shocking news coming in of Work & Income shooting: awful, but a risk when office becomes front for brutal policies”

I don’t agree with that sentiment; but I don’t know how you could characterise that as ‘delight’ or ‘support’ for Tully.
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March 9, 2016 7:06pm
AgentBallSack

lol “brutal policies”, words she wasnt willing to stand behind the spineless bitch. Since she deleted them after a (rightful) backlash.
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March 9, 2016 7:12pm
Longknives

Wrong again Mikey- That’s the amended version..
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March 9, 2016 7:14pm
starboard

Homos are potential pedos gwiff…and anyway , in the nuts and bolts of things..its not natural. Man puts piece into woman..baby made.
Man puts piece into mans ass..well, the best you going to get is a sausage covered in lasts nights dinner.
I dont care if Ralph and Burt are ” lovely guys “…they ain’t meant to be parents as in ” parents “..it goes against everything natural in this universe.

Cue that old flabby knob scottchris and his spluttery bile…
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March 9, 2016 7:14pm
Yoza

Longknives (6,046 comments) says:
March 9th, 2016 at 6:58 pm

Don’t remember her initial tweets then Mikey? She was literally crowing with delight.

Shouldn’t be too difficult for you providing a link to these tweets should it LK. Because it really doesn’t sound like something Sue Bradford would do.
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March 9, 2016 7:15pm
mikenmild

Perhaps you could supply the unexpurgated tweet, Longknives.
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March 9, 2016 7:15pm
EAD

Breaking the spell the establishment have over the masses with a bit of truth in sunshine about the Slave Trading business if yesteryear (no they’re not talking about the Barbery Pirates)

http://takimag.com/article/did_africans_sell_africans_into_slavery_lets_ask_some_africans_jim_goad#axzz42NoPacVS

If there is a historical weapon more powerful and decisive than guns, it is certainly guilt. Those who seek to conquer will wield the primitive biblical notion of collective guilt as a bludgeon to dampen a rival group’s spirit and their willingness to resist. Guilt is injected like a fatal virus into entire populations to demoralize and weaken them. And at least as far as whites in the West are concerned, it is working like a charm.

Without so much as asking a single question, many modern whites have gullibly swallowed a skewed and incomplete historical narrative that depicts them as history’s sole villains and the nonwhite world as innocent, suffering lambs.

Alas, despite the cheering warmth such simplicities afford to simple minds, life is never that simple, and as any honest student of history knows, there is no such thing as “good guys”—there are only bad guys who won and bad guys who lost.

Whenever I note that when it comes to the emotionally hypersensitive topic of slavery, there is more than enough historical guilt to go around and that slavery’s history cannot neatly be boxed into binary struggles of good versus evil or black versus white, I am invariably accused of trying to alleviate or deny the guilt that we are ceaselessly lectured whites should constantly be torturing ourselves with.

If one dares to point out that Africans were vastly complicit in the African slave trade, one is accused of trying to “deny” white guilt or to “absolve” whites of guilt, or of trying to argue that “two wrongs make a right.”

No, dummies. Two wrongs make two wrongs. But the question is: Why do you focus only on one wrong? It would seem that in all cases, the ones who are truly trying to “deny” guilt or “absolve” themselves of it are the ones who insist everyone focus merely on one wrong rather than all of them. Humanity, regardless of color, will never suffer a shortage of guilt.

Many black apologists and their white enablers will outright deny that Africans sold Africans into slavery. The always interesting Nation of Islam argues that these treacherous go-betweens weren’t truly “African” anyway—they were instead Portuguese Jewish half-breeds known as lancados who’d deliberately interbred with indigenous Africans in order to swindle and kidnap them before handing them over to Jewish slave traders who’d shlep them to the Americas.

To many others for whom the overwhelming evidence of African collaboration in the slave trade becomes impossible to deny, they’ll leap through flaming poodle hoops trying to make excuses. They’ll allege that African slavery was more benign than all other forms…or that Africans who sold other Africans to Islamic and European slavers had no idea how brutally the victims would be treated…or that they didn’t consider one another “black” but rather enemies from warring tribes, as if that makes it any better ethically…or that it was only a handful of African Judases and Uncle Toms who sold their continental kin into New World bondage and was not in any way an established, officially mandated, and integral part of several sub-Saharan economies.

Nearly all modern historians agree that the scenario depicted by Alex Haley in Roots—that of white raiders penetrating the African interior to rout African villages for slaves—is fraudulent. Instead, European slave traders nearly always bought slaves from African vendors at coastal markets. We hear much about the brutal “Middle Passage” across the Atlantic Ocean, but almost never about the estimated 10 million or so indigenous Africans who perished while being marched to the sea in chains and yokes by their African captors.

We don’t hear that according to Boston University’s Linda Heywood and John Thornton, about 90% of Africans transported to the New World had initially been enslaved by other Africans.

I bet you the people who run the MSM wouldn’t dare publish such a refreshingly honest article as it would upset “the narrative” and people might start to question just what the hell has been going on these past few decades…

For a society moulded on a pack of myths & outright lies, Sunlight is truly the best disenfectant
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March 9, 2016 7:16pm
AgentBallSack

The tweets are on whaleoil somewhere. Myself, I can’t be fucked finding them, the place smells of dead fish and jockstraps.
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March 9, 2016 7:20pm
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11317384

It is exactly something the vile Sue Bradford would do..
How do you think the families of those poor women murdered felt?
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March 9, 2016 7:27pm
Reid

Have you done any research into the British aristocracy’s profits from slavery EAD?

It’s quite interesting.

Combine those revenues with those from the opium wars which founded such HK finance powerhouses as Jardine Matheson and Barings and you get an impressive list of families who oddly enough, still feature in the majority shareholder lists of almost all the biggest companies in the chemical, mining, defence, finance and pharma companies.

The Saxe-Coberg-Gothas of course feature large.

Funny how the media never mentions them or any of the other big families, still active today, isn’t it.

How peculiar.
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March 9, 2016 7:31pm
Griff

Hmmm it might have been a comment by story but i didn’t quite catch the detail as I scrolled past.
seemed to be something about Scot Criss, his arse and involve fapping over anal sex between men .
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March 9, 2016 7:31pm
big bruv

Very sad news at the passing of Sir George Martin. A man who helped change the world of music.

RIP
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March 9, 2016 7:31pm
starboard

You read it gwiff..but did you take it on board? ..or did you just choose to focus on things that aroused you old fella..
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March 9, 2016 7:33pm
big bruv

knives

The Bradford female is a person I truly despise. She is a low life and oxygen thief, I wish he nothing but ill will.
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March 9, 2016 7:33pm
Reid

Because it really doesn’t sound like something Sue Bradford would do.

Because it really doesn’t sound like something lefties would like to think Sue Bradford would do, therefore it didn’t happen.

Fixed it for ya Yoza.

You’ve got a great mind mate. Shame you’re still in one of the camps. We who are objective and recognise both sides are execrable, could certainly use people like you, in ours. If your mission is to make the world a better place, think about it.
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March 9, 2016 7:35pm
mikenmild

Longknives
So, you couldn’t back up your claim…I see from your link though that Bradford apologised for what she had said: “OK folks, can feel yr anger – a) tweet was b4 I knew anyone was killed; b)all workers should come home safe; c) apols to those offended”
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March 9, 2016 7:35pm
AgentBallSack

Sue Bradford is a hateful cunt. “apols to those offended”
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March 9, 2016 7:59pm
Reid

Sue Bradford is a hateful…

No.

Ruthless people are hate-filled.

She’s not ruthless.

She would melt at the sight of those whom she sees as the poor and dispossessed.

Her issue is she thinks with her heart not her head and she lacks basic wisdom to tell her that’s dumb-fuck territory.

And the idiots that listen to her have the exact same issue.

In other words, she’s worse than a sheeple.

Hard to imagine, I know.

But there we are.

The sad thing is, this country is infested with em. Proven by the many regulars here on GD possessing the same attributes.

Oh the humanity.
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March 9, 2016 8:18pm
Griff

Cant you find a better description than c##t ball sack?
I mean c##ts are quite fun .
SlappySue ain’t .
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March 9, 2016 8:20pm
stigie

“In other words, she’s worse than a sheeple”.

Smellieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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March 9, 2016 8:20pm
AgentBallSack

True. But I was just checking out how it feels to use a twitter apology. Succinct.
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March 9, 2016 8:21pm
AgentBallSack

I agree that Sue is obsessed with her political identity. Hopefully we never become so one dimensional and unquestioning of our own personal crusades..
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March 9, 2016 8:34pm
Nostradamus

Griff:

SlappySue

I’ll file that in the same category as PassionatePenny

(Pass the mind bleach please)
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March 9, 2016 8:42pm
nasska

This country’s insane laws covering the cultivation & possession of cannabis have claimed more victims…..this time the four policemen wounded during a recovery operation near Kawerau today.

While I have every sympathy for them & wish each a speedy recovery my feelings are less charitable towards the gutless idiots we elect to govern us. Marijuana needs decriminalising at least & preferably legalising in the same way as alcohol. So long as huge profits can be made by criminals for cultivating something that takes no more specialist expertise than tomatoes today’s sorry tale will repeat.

The cops were doing their duty but parliament defines what duties they will have. Time for a rethink.
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March 9, 2016 8:44pm
AgentBallSack

Before we all go agreeing with Greg O’Connor lets look at the roll call of police shot in the line of duty. There’s not that many for a country that relies on firearms for hunting and farming:

PAST POLICE SHOOTINGS

2016: On February 3, 2016 a police officer was shot at during a police chase in suburban South Auckland in the early hours of the morning. The police officer was unharmed.

2015: Two police officers fled for their lives to a neighbouring house after being shot at from close range near Raetahi in the central North Island on August 19, 2015. Police officers were forced to take cover behind a police car after being shot at during a chase in West Auckland late on the night of October 1, 2015.

2009: Senior Constable Len Snee was fatally wounded when shot by Jan Molenaar on May 7, 2009 while carrying out a routine search in Napier. Two other police officers and a member of the public were seriously wounded during the stand-off with Molenaar.

2008: Sergeant Don Wilkinson was fatally shot while carrying out undercover duties in Mangere on September 11, 2008. He was one of two plainclothes officers shot while trying to install a tracking device on a vehicle outside a suspected P lab.

2002: Detective Constable Duncan Taylor was shot and killed when he and his partner tried to stop a boy to question him about a property offence in Rongotea, Manawatu on July 5, 2002. As Taylor got out of his vehicle the boy opened fire, fatally wounding him. His partner then attempted to flee on foot but was struck in the thigh as she ran for cover. He also held three people hostage in a nearby home for several hours.

1996: Constable Glenn Arthur McKibbin was shot and killed in Flaxmere, Hastings on April 21, 1996. He was shot by an occupant of a passing car while he was standing next to his patrol vehicle. Terrance Thompson, a former soldier, was shot in a standoff with police.

1990: Sergeant Stewart Graeme Guthrie was killed in Aramoana, near Dunedin, on November 13, 2000. Local David Gray killed 12 people and wounded others when he ran amok with a firearm.

1986: Traffic Officer Robin James Dudding was shot dead in Rotorua after being taken hostage at Lake Rotoiti by 18-year-old Ross Kameta on April 7, 1986.

1976: Constable Peter William Murphy was shot by Harry Robert Thompson in Invercargill on September 25, 1976 after responding to a witnesses call about a burglary.

1963: Constable James Richardson and Constable Bryan Leslie Schultz were fatally shot in Lower Hutt on February 3, 1963 when answering a call to a domestic dispute.

On January 6, 1963 Detective Sergeant Neville Wilson Power and Detective Inspector Wallace Chalmers were shot by Victor George Wasmuth in Auckland’s Waitakere Ranges.

1951: Sergeant William Shore Hughes was shot dead in Otaki on May 27, 1951 while responding to an armed domestic dispute.

1949: Traffic Officer John Kehoe was shot several times by Richard Angus McGill in Whakatane on January 31, 1949 after pursuing McGill’s speeding motorcycle.

1941: Constable Edward Mark Best, Sergeant William Cooper, Constable Frederick William Jordan and Constable Percy Campbell Tulloch were shot and killed near Hokotika on October 8, 1941. Cooper, Jordan and Tulloch died instantly, while Best died three days later.

1934: Constable Thomas Heeps was shot near Morrinsville on October 21, 1934 while trying to return a murder suspect to the police station. Heeps underwent surgery but died the following day.

1921: Constable James Dorgan was shot and killed while investigating a burglary in Timaru on August 27, 1921.

1919: Constable Vivian Dudding was shot in the head by Alexander Aspin on October 6, 1919 in Wellington, while attended a domestic dispute.

1910: Sergeant John Patrick Hackett McGuire was shot and wounded by an escaped burglar in Palmerston North on April 14, 1910. He died four days later.

1890: Constable Neil McLeod was shot at Mangawhare Wharf near Dargaville on July 30, 1890. McLeod was travelling with his family to Auckland.
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March 9, 2016 8:53pm
AgentBallSack

I agree with nasska though. Decriminalise Marijuana. Make it a misdemeanor to grow it but increase the penalties for trafficking. All we are doing is providing gangs with an income stream.
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March 9, 2016 8:57pm
Nookin

Is Reid part of a secret clique that has emberked on an evangelical crusade to save the world? Has he recruited others from KB, will anyone admit?

I wonder if they have secret handshakes, talk in code and fuck goats?

Sue Bradford is a product of her life experience. She is one thing above all others – principled! She told Dotcom to naff off. Not so The Harawara or The Harre both of whom sold out for a pot of gold of very dubious provenance. I do not agree with her. I think she goes about things the wrong way but I don’t think she is duplicitous. You know where you stand.
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March 9, 2016 8:57pm
nasska

It should be treated the same as grog Ballsack. Grow/brew your own but you can’t sell either. Anyone without green thumbs should, provided that they’re over 18, be able to buy small quantities for personal use from liquor wholesalers/dispensaries.

Gang profits gone, a fortune saved in policing/justice & the ‘cool’ factor hosed down. Best of all nothing will change.

Everyone who wants to smoke marijuana is doing so now……outside the law.
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March 9, 2016 9:04pm
Reid

Is Reid part of a secret clique

Yes

that has emberked on an evangelical crusade

No

to save the world?

Yes

Has he recruited others from KB

Yes

, will anyone admit?

They’d better not.

I wonder if they have secret handshakes

No

, talk in code

Yes

and fuck goats?

No

Hope that helps and surprised you even needed to ask it’s so obvious.

Aren’t sheeple stoooooooooooopid. (That’s code BTW.) And ya haven’t even noticed, have ya. Aren’t sheeple ….

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha
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March 9, 2016 9:07pm
Nostradamus

Nookin:

[Sue Bradford] is one thing above all others – principled!

Can you reconcile these two passages for me?

Passage 1:

[Former Green MP Sue Bradford] said the Greens had approached her to see if she wanted to be nominated for the [Children’s Commissioner] role, which she accepted despite her awareness of her chances.

“I think it would be extraordinary if the National Government was to appoint someone like me to such a position…so I’m under no illusions about that, but I also think I’m a reasonably effective advocate and I’ve certainly spent my life in all sorts of ways working in the interests of families and children.”

Passage 2:

Former Green MP Sue Bradford was in a protest group that had partially blocked access to the Auckland Harbour Bridge from the city.

I’m struggling to see how she was “working in the interests of families and children” when she partially blocked access to the Auckland Harbour Bridge from the city. Perhaps the answer lies in the “in all sorts of ways” part of her quote?
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March 9, 2016 9:10pm
nasska

….”I wonder if they have secret handshakes, talk in code and fuck goats?”…..

Not sure about the handshakes or code Nookin but there have been some dodgy shenanigans involving goats down in the City of the Damned.

Welcome to Christchurch……you may now enter your goat! 🙂
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March 9, 2016 9:12pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Welcome to ~~Christchurch~~ Hagley Park.

Fixed that for you!
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