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March 30, 2016 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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stephieboy

wiki,

“I would love to see Trump and Putin in discussion’

I’m sure the two would come to blows as they try to pull a swifty on each other. I think though that Trump fancies he is the only expert in this respect. Sure he will be in for a rude shock .

Are the Rothchilds ( read jews ) behind every thing including ” the whole bad truth” ?
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March 30, 2016 7:46pm
nasska

….”odd don’t you think that a major part of this” constant bloodshed & upheaval ” has been occurring since the 2003 Bush administration led invasion of Iraq “….

Not really. Islam & democracy are incompatible yet the USA insist on bumbling their way around the world shedding light & wisdom on people who prefer superstition & dictatorship.

They should abandon the Middle East & let the savages get on with killing each other as they have for the past few millennia.
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March 30, 2016 7:48pm
wikiriwhis business

I had the honour of speaking before the Auckland Council today including Sir John Walker who I saw beat Filbert Bayi in 1974.

I learned about a justice initiative called ‘New Beginnings’ which is a course to help prison inmates. Stats showed huge decreases of prison time from those who took part in this programme. Something real is happening and it is very good and improving.

First thing I thought. Why don’t I ever hear about these things on KB.
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March 30, 2016 7:57pm
Reid

They should abandon the Middle East & let the savages get on with killing each other as they have for the past few millennia.

Strangely enough nasska if you have a look at history you’ll the slaughter really started in the ME when the West really got involved.

Prior to let’s say 1920, nothing much used to happen there at all.

What does that say?
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March 30, 2016 8:05pm
Nostradamus

wikiriwhis business:

I had the honour of speaking before the Auckland Council today including Sir John Walker who I saw beat Filbert Bayi in 1974.

You had the honour? Are you sure? I only ask because Penny makes sure that we see every open letter she writes, and never fails to tell us when she’s appearing before some committee or other.

What kind of watchdog would you like to be known as?
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March 30, 2016 8:07pm
stigie

Wiki trickie dickie watchdog..?
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March 30, 2016 8:13pm
nasska

….”Prior to let’s say 1920, nothing much used to happen there at all.”….

Well for a kick off the entire ME was conquered by Muslim aggression. Then the Sunnis & Shias have been bashing the crap out of each other for about 1400 years. They even found time to invade Europe.

So although nothing of use to civilisation nor goldfish has come out of the area since Islam was invented violence & bloodshed was the norm.
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March 30, 2016 8:21pm
Captain Mainwaring

Wiki wanky willie womble whacko weirdo watchdog.
Whatever we call him, somebody must have pissed in his cornflakes at some point in time.
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March 30, 2016 8:22pm
nasska

….”What kind of watchdog would you like to be known as?”…..

Maybe a ‘private’ watchdog! 🙂
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March 30, 2016 8:22pm
rangitoto

“What does that say?”

That you are ignorant of history.
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March 30, 2016 8:24pm
Captain Mainwaring

Now that we’re onto watchdogs, funny how the Public Dog is absent on working days.
Is that because the courts are open and she’s otherwise committed?
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March 30, 2016 8:24pm
Reid

Well for a kick off the entire ME was conquered by Muslim aggression. Then the Sunnis & Shias have been bashing the crap out of each other for about 1400 years. They even found time to invade Europe.

So although nothing of use to civilisation nor goldfish has come out of the area since Islam was invented violence & bloodshed was the norm.

All I can say nasska is: educate yourself mate.
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March 30, 2016 8:28pm
stigie

When’s her fucking hovel going to be auctioned..?
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March 30, 2016 8:30pm
UglyTruth

@Reid

Saw your post about the Templars the other night, thanks for that. Good to see the straw man getting a mention, but the author’s use of the term ‘sovereignty’ raised a red flag for me since the civil system uses false sovereignty as a pretext for its fraudulent “legislation”.

Sovereignty and legislature are indeed convertible terms; one cannot subsist without the other ~ Blackstone.
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March 30, 2016 8:35pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/78339440/council-belonging-to-developer-body-is-conflict-of-interest-lee-says

“Auckland Council’s membership of a property developer body is “crony capitalism” of the sort pushing Americans to vote for Donald Trump.

So says veteran local politician Mike Lee, who has called for councillors to vote on Thursday to end the association with the Property Council of New Zealand.

The Property Council lobbies central and local government on behalf of property developers. It was a glaring conflict of interest that Auckland Council was also a member, Lee said.
…..”

I agree with Auckland Councillor Mike Lee.

Again – I will be pushing that Auckland Council and all CCOs which are members of the NZ Property Council cease their membership forthwith, when I address the Auckland Council Governing Body (tomorrow) Thursday 31 March 2016, at 9.30am, Auckland Town Hall, in ‘Public Forum.’

If YOU are opposed to the ‘regulator’ / ‘referee’ effectively playing on the same side of one of the ‘teams’ – then come along?

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption Public Watchdog’

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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March 30, 2016 8:39pm
Griff

Who was it that summed the thing?
Captain you owe us an apology.
Keep your watch harpy chanting to your self next time .
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March 30, 2016 8:44pm
Reid

It’s something I’m very ignorant of UT, I’d be quite interested if you’ve got some good refs on the matter, not the point issue, the wider the better.

But completely understand if you’d prefer not to share them knowing what some others here would do with them.

Like firecrackers and children really.
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March 30, 2016 8:45pm
nasska

Penny had her broom idling waiting for the call Griff. 🙂
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March 30, 2016 8:46pm
stigie

Penny, i want to see all the paper work in triplicate thankyou !~
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March 30, 2016 8:50pm
simpleton1

This should not be swept under the mat with a broom !
Bank accounts emptied and closed.
Was that just crony entitlement ?
Just what were the purported expenses?
Was there a conflict of interests ?
Just what were “activist” expenses?

Open the books ! to show there is no corruption
All of this should be open and exposed.
Where are the minutes of a properly constituted meeting, that ratified the purported expenses claimed.?
Who were the “attendees” of that meeting? Chairman, movers and seconders?

Anti corruption candidates need to be be “like Caesar’s wife, above suspicion”.
If YOU are opposed to the ‘regulator’ / ‘referee’ effectively playing on the same side of one of the ‘teams’, purportedly claiming expenses
Was there a conflict of interest of some of the attendees?
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March 30, 2016 8:54pm
wikiriwhis business

“What kind of watchdog would you like to be known as?”

when you guys do something besides whinge from your keyboards you can talk.

Nothing you say is ever evidenced anyway
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March 30, 2016 8:54pm
wikiriwhis business

“You had the honour? Are you sure?”

I can tell you never had the honour of speaking before a knight before
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March 30, 2016 8:56pm
renderer

Penny why do you peddle repeats here of the crap you post on the standard? And while you are peddling your crap about AIG ripping off tax payers have you given any thought to the fact YOU are ripping off the rate payers of Auckland. Pot kettle black sort of thing you dim creature.
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March 30, 2016 8:57pm
wikiriwhis business

“Are the Rothchilds ( read jews ) behind every thing including ” the whole bad truth” ?”

Over $200 B. what do you think ????
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March 30, 2016 8:57pm
wikiriwhis business

“I’m sure the two would come to blows as they try to pull a swifty on each other. I think though that Trump fancies he is the only expert in this respect. Sure he will be in for a rude shock .”

That just overlooks everything said of Putin by Trump and reciprocated by Putin

I mean really
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March 30, 2016 9:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Helen Clark on Religious tolerance……
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11614108
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March 30, 2016 9:05pm
Captain Mainwaring

@Griff 8.44

“Who was it that summed the thing?
Captain you owe us an apology.”

Sorry folks, I poked a stick into the wasp’s nest.
But funny we should find fellow communist Mike Lee there.

Captain Mainwaring
Not 2016 Mayoral candidate for anywhere
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March 30, 2016 9:10pm
Captain Mainwaring

Sorry Maggy, I know you mean well but I simply cannot bring myself to face anything that has the visuals or words of Helen Clark anywhere near it.
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March 30, 2016 9:12pm
rangitoto

“Over $200 B. what do you think ????”

Enough to buy a couple of Aussie banks on a good day.
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March 30, 2016 9:13pm
renderer

Penny do you have a copy of the meeting minutes to exonerate yourself from the wild statements that you purportedly took money from the Occupy Auckland mob.

Is the following true

To date, Penny has “named and shamed” then smeared, 5 separate Occupy activists. (Not including people she smeared pre-Occupy of which there appear to be many more). She has claimed to have an “ex-Police Prosecutor” (Penny’s words) who she names in this video, investigate occupiers and their immediate families.

P.B.: “I’ve never been subject to such filthy defamatory comments in my life.” [30:50]

Says the woman who concocted fantasy stories about a slew of Occupiers, spreading lies amongst complete strangers about their family members, whom she had never met.

P.B.: “I’ve been blocked from even commenting on the Occupy Auckland Facebook page.” [30:54]

Your name is not on the Facebook page ban list. Although you were removed as admin when you tried to fire us, you can indeed comment on the pages.
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March 30, 2016 9:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Capn Mainwaring 9:12

Two points of interest….

1. The article is dated 5:30am Thursday 31 March 2016…… I love time travel

2. Helen & hubby recently travelled through Brussels airport.
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March 30, 2016 9:24pm
Nostradamus

Captain Mainwaring:

Check this out: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/08/clarks-photoshop-expert-living-australia/
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March 30, 2016 9:24pm
Captain Mainwaring

Maggy.
I wonder if they could travel through LAX?
Or Brussels on the correct day.
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March 30, 2016 9:28pm
Nostradamus

Captain Mainwaring:

I think (given recent events in Brussels) that I’d prefer to travel through LAX. I believe the airport toilets have received rave reviews on TripAdviser.
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March 30, 2016 9:40pm
UglyTruth

@Reid

Here’s my take on it…

The straw man is used in the process of shifting the jurisdiction from common law jurisdiction to personal jurisdiction (aka jurisdiction in personam). At common law people are presumed innocent of culpability and presumed to have no obligations except to their Creator, but with personal jurisdiction there is an obligation to the state. This obligation is typically obtained by delivery of service of process. It’s with this service of process that the straw man comes into play. The straw man is a title which refers to a legal person with specific benefits and obligations. By accepting the benefits (silence or inaction implies acceptance) the party is effectively alienated from their natural rights an incurs the obligations of the person.
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March 30, 2016 9:53pm
stigie

“I believe the airport toilets have received rave reviews on TripAdviser”.

Im led to believe Peter raved about the toilets at LAX as well !~
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March 30, 2016 9:54pm
Rachael Membery

UglyTruth (6,823 comments) says:

March 30th, 2016 at 9:53 pm

May I suggest using plain English? Admittedly I haven’t as yet read the preceding posts but I think it is a good suggestion nevertheless.
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March 30, 2016 10:04pm
stephieboy

RM , I fancy it’s UTs take on an his introduction to Halsbury’s the Laws of England in his peculiar legalese gobbledygook .
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March 30, 2016 10:10pm
UglyTruth

@Rachael

Sorry it’s late & explaining this is hard work. Titles and proper names are different things. Proper names refer to people, but titles can refer to a role or to something inanimate. The term “straw man” originated as an name for an inanimate combat training partner. It had the approximate shape of man but since it was made of straw it couldn’t fight back. Likewise when a man (or woman) doesn’t value their rights as a created being and exchanges them for the rights of a citizen they lose their legal status and become much easier to defeat in a legal contest.
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March 30, 2016 10:33pm
PhilP

“By the way, does he have a public sense of humour or an open display of joy and pleasure of life”.

And of course the answer is NO NO & NO! I have not seen any politician, past or present, that has less charisma and dour personality than Angry Andrew Little.
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March 30, 2016 10:36pm
Rachael Membery

UglyTruth (6,824 comments) says:

March 30th, 2016 at 10:33 pm

UT, I read it, I comprehended it, I am 5 papers off a philosophy degree, well 2 if I pass this semester and I have another degree, but even law uses less not more legalese. It reminded me of one that I am doing at the moment titled Knowledge and Reality lol more oxymoronic than you might at first think. As I am currently reading Socrates et al, yours is not much less convoluted. interesting about proper names I am dealing with empty ones, words that you think have substance but actually don’t. You should read Alexis Meinong and his theory of objects, if you want to understand what shape shifters words are.
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March 30, 2016 10:56pm
Inandout

stigie 9.54: Peter hasn’t been caught short in LAX since.
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March 30, 2016 11:05pm
pentwig

stephieboy (10,740 comments) says: absolute crap
March 30th, 2016 at 10:10 pm
‘RM , I fancy it’s UTs take on an his introduction to Halsbury’s the Laws of England in his peculiar legalese gobbledygook’

Really? I mean Really? Coming from you!! FFS
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March 30, 2016 11:12pm
Manolo

The Rainbow Branch of the Labour party and stephieboy have joined forces to protest:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/656580/Saudi-Arabia-government-execute-gay-people-show-sexuality-public-online

The government in the Sunni Kingdom is reportedly demanding tougher punishments on those found guilty and claimed social media has caused a boom in homosexuality.

According to Okaz newspaper, the last six months has seen 35 cases of homosexuality and 50 cases of cross-dressers as well as cases of “sexual perversion” in Saudi Arabia.
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March 31, 2016 6:14am
Manolo

There is nothing the old socialist can do. The fix is in:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-superdelegates-largely-back-clinton-sanders-article-1.2581729

Even if Sanders were to win the April 19 New York presidential contest, when a whopping 247 delegates are at stake, every single New York superdelegate reached by the Daily News said they would never back the Vermont senator.
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March 31, 2016 6:17am
UglyTruth

words that you think have substance but actually don’t.

Specifically?

BTW I’ve think you’ve confused convoluted with terse.
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March 31, 2016 8:34am
stephieboy

Pen twig,

Constipation issues there old cock ?
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