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Nukuleka

Both The Herald and Stuff are carrying the story of a male Kiwi gay couple who are calling on us all to donate to their cause of bringing three babies from Mexico so that they can play ‘happy families’. And calling on the government to intervene on their behalf as well. It is time to call this for what it really is: it is sick sick sick.

Every child has the right to be brought up by a mother and a father. End of story.
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March 29, 2016 8:07am
Captain Mainwaring

Nukuleka, my uptick plus 100 more. You are so right.
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March 29, 2016 8:13am
Kimbo

@ Nukuleka

Every child has the right to be brought up by a mother and a father. End of story.

Hmm. Another Nukuleka ‘drive-by’ post. In context I understand what you are trying to say, but as no institution, civil, commercial, spiritual or voluntary has been able to stop the orphaning of children by enforcing the abolition of death, especially in the case of one or both parents…I think your formulation needs more work as it is most certainly not a “right”
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March 29, 2016 8:16am
Andrei

These wealthy New Zealanders are guilty of gross exploitation of desperately poor women in the Third World and are worthy of nothing but the deepest contempt

Where are the feminists on this?
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March 29, 2016 8:17am
Hajji

They wouldn’t try that one on in Saudi Arabia!
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March 29, 2016 8:17am
Andrei

What should happen is that they should be locked up in a stinking Mexican prison until they provide a pre determined sum of money for the raising and education of these children in Mexico – $100,000 a piece seems reasonable then unceremoniously put on a plane back to Auckland
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March 29, 2016 8:20am
starboard

No adopted children for weirdos. Homos, lesbians , people who don’t know what they are… children are not accessories for your depraved sordid unnatural lifestyle. Wallow in filth, your choice, but leave babies and children out of it.
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March 29, 2016 8:28am
waikatogirl

Susan Brown and her husband were on a month long cruise but after an argument they decided to cut the trip short and fly home to Bristol.
Susan later believed her husband had changed his mind about flying home so presumably was still on board when the cruise left port.

65 year old Susan who had leaped into the Atlanic ocean to swim after the cruise boat was rescued from the icy cold waters after 4 hours. Her handbag that she was still clutching had filled with air and was acting as a floatation device.

Nutty, tenacious old bag!
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March 29, 2016 8:29am
Griff

Yip people who are intent on denying these children the opportunity to be adopted by two loving parents are sick sick sick.
It would be lovely if every child had a mother and a father in the world you claim god made that does not happen.
It may not be ideal to have two fathers…. it sure as hell beats the fuck out of having no parents at all .

{Edit function on the blink again .Delete, cut and paste to comments window, edit then repost}
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March 29, 2016 8:30am
EAD

@ Nukuleka,

Just finished reading that article. The worst thing is how it glosses over the big elephant in the room and makes it appear as if the only issue in the room is a court battle. Describing the homosexuals as each others “husbands” and how they “want to start a family”

The MSM journalist does not for 1 second step back and consider just how surreal it is that a pair of “married” homosexuals from NZ paid separate women from Mexico to act as surrogate mothers so they can “start a family” and “become parents”. If you told this to someone even 5 years ago – they would have laughed you out of the room. Now the only issue apparently is “international laws”. Nature itself has been turned on its head.

Like Rome before it fell to the Barbarians, we have reached a level of utter decadence.
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March 29, 2016 8:30am
Happychappy

One of yesterday’s subjects (Tree climbing for children banned) well why is it OK for green protesters ain’t they a bunch of kids
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March 29, 2016 8:31am
Huevon

Funny, how is paying for 3 children and carrying them away from their mother and birth country without their consent not the equivalent of slavery. Instead of toiling in fields now they must work to please the fantasy of two sexual degenerates. What times we live ib
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March 29, 2016 8:36am
kowtow

If true, another shocking example of cruelty from the religion of peace.

“An Indian Catholic priest was crucified by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) on Good Friday in Yemen, it has been claimed.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/12205761/Isil-crucified-Indian-Catholic-priest-on-Good-Friday-after-capture-in-Yemen.html
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March 29, 2016 8:37am
Urban Redneck

A particularly egregious case is that of Elton John. He and his “husband” mixed up their semen in a vial, sent it off to an anonymous surrogate in California and 40 weeks later a new born child is sent back to the Johns to be nannied. One day that kid is going to want to know who his mother is. Sometimes children are placed in unfortunate circumstances where they don’t have both parents around, but to do it deliberately to satisfy homosexual vanities is just disgusting
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March 29, 2016 8:39am
Urban Redneck

we have reached a level of utter decadence

Progressive sexual deviants to the left of me, radical Islam to the right. Doesn’t bode too well for the future really.
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March 29, 2016 8:42am
EAD

Griff says:

Yip people who are intent on denying these children the opportunity to be adopted by two loving parents are sick sick sick

What is sick sick sick Griff is that these 2 selfish sexual deviants have inverted nature and paid money to bring 3 innocent children into the world by the most artificial way possible in a way nature never intended.
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March 29, 2016 8:42am
calendar girl

“…people who are intent on denying these children the opportunity to be adopted by two loving parents are sick sick sick.”

Nobody is wishing harm on the children. However, the fact that those three children even exist is a result of the deliberate actions of two people who executed a deliberate plan to create this regrettable and unnatural situation.
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March 29, 2016 8:45am
Kimbo

@ Urban Redneck

Sometimes children are placed in unfortunate circumstances where they don’t have both parents around, but to do it deliberately to satisfy homosexual vanities is just disgusting

…but at least a child is just the perfect item with which to accessories and add to their ensemble. Plus a ~~human pet~~ baby from Mexico will have lovely black hair and brown eyes, so that maximises the interior decorating options in the nursery.

Is that stereotyping? Who cares! Irrespective of their sexuality, the stupid bastards deserve it for trying to get Average Kiwi to pressure our government to fix their self-inflicted sob story….
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March 29, 2016 8:45am
Griff

I withdraw that statement.
I did not look into the issue instead reacted to the homophobic ranting I was not aware that these are Surrogate children.
That does not mean I dont support the right of Gay couples to adopt.
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March 29, 2016 8:54am
wiseowl

Absolute child abuse.
And we were told all they wanted was to flog marriage off us.
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March 29, 2016 8:54am
stephieboy

EAD, it’s a myth Rome declined because of debachery and decadence .In actual Chritianity was becoming the dominating influence and feature of life by 400 AD. .The empire fell due to a number of factors including overextension – fighting wars remote from the Centres of power .The sheer increasing cost of maintaining the army and the infrastructure to support iit was an important factor .Also the growing trend deploying barbarian auxullaries in the army with divided loyalties .Another the sheer incompetence of the Roman mpolitcal leadership prior to the fall. The love of luxury and display of wealth we are even familiar with today .And so on ,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8438599/What-led-to-the-fall-of-the-Roman-Empire.html
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March 29, 2016 8:54am
starboard

Makes me want to vomit

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78320286/Kiwi-dads-speak-out-from-Mexico-and-show-off-their-three-little-surrogate-babies
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March 29, 2016 9:00am
Nigel Kearney

If people don’t like the idea of government handing over money to facilitate kids being raised by people utterly unequipped to do so, there is an elephant in the room and it isn’t gay couples.
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March 29, 2016 9:02am
Inandout

Going back in time when humans were vegetarian, marriage was not an issue because the female could easily gather for the vegetarian diet, and a committed partner was not required. However when the human diet turned to meat, women were not really equipped to go hunting with children in tow. To effectively survive women needed a male hunter on tap, so permanent unions were established, though not exactly a ‘marriage’. Children of slain parents could either perish or be adopted, so all in all any changes to human relationships relied on necessity. We now have relationships formed not by necessity, but by ‘trends’ and what is ‘in’ this decade will be surpassed by another more outrageous trend in the next.

The pendulum will undoubtedly swing back to what we consider ‘conventional’ marriage, but what emotional damage will be done to children caught up in ‘unconventional’ marriages only time will tell. Chaotic situations though rarely end in smiles.
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March 29, 2016 9:06am
EAD

Indeed Wiseowl,

If consenting adults want to sodomise each other in the privacy of their own homes, that is their business.

By legitimising and giving respectability to such degenerate lifestyle choices with the word “marriage”, the Political Elite have, without any public debate whatsoever, used this as the battering ram to legitimise homosexuals having “families” when nature means that they can’t.

The millenia old understanding of marriage is as the best environment in which to raise children. If homosexuals can now be “married”, how can one object them to using the same methods to raise a “family” as heterosexual couples?
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March 29, 2016 9:08am
starboard

There is the pedophile element of homosexuals adopting children not to be ignored as well.
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March 29, 2016 9:11am
Manolo

Lying Clinton will have to talk: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/chuck-grassley-hillary-clinton-221295
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March 29, 2016 9:12am
Manolo

Another triumph of the multiculturalism progressives love:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/28/brussels-bomber-was-migrant-rights-activist-who-lived-next-door-to-eu/
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March 29, 2016 9:14am
mandk

@ Inandout

Humans were never vegetarian.

Even if you believe that they evolved from the great apes, they were never vegetarian.
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March 29, 2016 9:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Waikatogirl 8:29am

The Marco Polo must be a fine cruise ship.

I would have thought the prospect of exploring the charms of Madeira without hubby in tow would have been a more attractive proposition.

Still, she did meet three nice fishermen.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/12205628/British-holidaymaker-tried-to-swim-to-cruise-liner-when-it-left-port-in-Portugal.html
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March 29, 2016 9:19am
stephieboy

Starboard , a case like Graeme Capill should remind you that homos are not predisposed to pedophilia any more than heterosexuals ,like the former .

There is no evidence that homo couples are any worse than straights couples in the potential and maturity to raise children and also given the unenviable track record of many heterosexual couples/ marriages ,

http://areyouok.org.nz/family-violence/statistics/
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March 29, 2016 9:20am
Griff

the Political Elite have, without any public debate whatsoever, used this as the battering ram to legitimise homosexuals having “families” when nature means that they can’t.

Yip EAD there has been hundreds of posts on this forum alone alone with tens of thousand of comments.

No debate actually means.
You lost.
The majority of Kiwis support gay marriage.

The millenia old understanding of marriage is as the best environment in which to raise children.

Many cultures raise children in a collective .
State sanctioned marriage as you see it is very different from what my Anglo Saxon for bearers practiced only a few hundred years ago.

If homosexuals can now be “married”, how can one object them to using the same methods to raise a “family” as heterosexual couples?

Yes indeed how can one object to rising children in a loving stable relationship?

What does marriage have to do with it?
Gay couples adopting or raising their own children doesn’t need marriage.
It is a totally separate issue .
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March 29, 2016 9:25am
ChardonnayGuy

North Korea terrorises western world with kitsch, poorly produced propaganda video with wonky eighties porn soundtrack performed on Hammond organ, low rez computer animation of a nuke going off, North Korean military staff having spontaneous orgasms in the presence of Kim Jong Un and relentless footage going on and on and on about the Korean War of the early fifties. Or… “Kim Jong Un goes camping in Pyongyang.”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZpjjjqq8r8
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March 29, 2016 9:34am
Inandout

mandk 9.18: You have conclusive, time travel evidence that humans weren’t originally vegetarian?
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March 29, 2016 9:36am
Inandout

ChardonnayGuy: ‘Five Go Mad in Pyongyang’ and meet raging Uncle Kwentin Jong Un, who makes them cucumber and radium sandwiches.
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March 29, 2016 9:40am
Stars And Stripes

Calls to shut falls to swimmers after another drowning
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11612943

Here we go again, remove the opportunity for everyone because a couple of people have drowned.
How are we going to enforce this, put up a security fence maybe or have 24 hour guards?
Maybe we should close the beaches to swimming as well while we are at it because people have drowned there as well.
Knee jerk nonsense.
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March 29, 2016 9:42am
mandk

Yesterday, I emailed Simon Collins of the NZ Herald to complain about a distortion of the truth in a story that he wrote about people having their benefits stopped..

My email said:

“Your version:
” The policy hit the headlines in January when Kaitaia war veteran Selwyn Clarke, 88, was forced to beg in the street after his pension was stopped because of a warrant for his arrest for trespass at Kaitaia Airport in a Ngati Kahu land protest occupation last September.”

The truth:
“The policy hit the headlines in January when Kaitaia war veteran Selwyn Clarke, 88, was forced to beg in the street after his pension was stopped because he decided not to answer a warrant for his arrest for trespass at Kaitaia Airport in a Ngati Kahu land protest occupation last September.”

You even acknowledged the truth on 26 January:
“Northland iwi Ngati Kahu has vowed to keep paying war veteran Selwyn Clarke for as long as it takes after his war pension was stopped because he failed to respond to an arrest warrant.”

No wonder the general public has such a poor opinion of journalists.”

His reply was: ” I did have the longer version in my original copy, but I cut it to make the sentence more readable – I think the reader would have understood what happened.”

Kind of supports my point about journalists doesn’t it?
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March 29, 2016 9:49am
Northland Wahine

I don’t have any issues regarding gay couples wanting to have children. What I don’t get is if this was a straight couple who had paid for a surrogate mother in another country, then couldn’t get the children back to NZ, my sympathy would be the same.

Non existent.

If they choose a surrogate closer to home, or maybe adopt?

But no, too much like commonsense.
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March 29, 2016 9:54am
Manolo

Party disquiet on Brexit:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/656027/Tories-turmoil-David-Cameron-ignoring-pro-Brexit-ministers

Tory turmoil has escalated as David Cameron was accused of ignoring Eurosceptic ministers and instead organising secret meetings with pro-EU members by a senior Government source.
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March 29, 2016 9:56am
mandk

@ Inandout

I don’t have any evidence, but neither do you.

However, again supposing that humans evolved from the great apes, dentition makes clear that they were always omnivorous.

And, if you are a young earth creationist, there is absolutely no question.
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March 29, 2016 10:00am
Scott

Griff the homosexual marriage issue was debated but the good people of New Zealand never got to actually vote on it. No party prior to the election ran on the issue of gay marriage and there was no referendum. If there was a referendum the gay side would have lost as Kevin what’s his face admitted in a town hall meeting in Masterton.

One good thing about the flag debate was the binding referendum where the people of NZ could actually have their voice heard. That sadly has been the exception and in the case of gay marriage and gay rights generally and the antismacking bill the people of NZ were never given a chance to have their say. Instead huge left wing changes were forced on the people through the collusion of our MPs and the mainstream media in private members bills.
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March 29, 2016 10:01am
waikatogirl

Maggy
I would have thought the prospect of exploring the charms of Madeira without hubby in tow would have been a more attractive proposition.
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Quite right. Who needs a wayward husband to annoy you when there is all that lovely sightseeing and cafes to enjoy. Susan had her handbag. Perhaps she could have upgraded her man while hubby sailed away without her. 🙂
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March 29, 2016 10:03am
Inandout

mandk: You are getting silly now.
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March 29, 2016 10:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

@waikatogirl

I am blessed with a hubby who doesn’t travel.
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March 29, 2016 10:07am
mikenmild

Scott
Nice conspiracy theory there.
When both major parties support something, you can usually be quite sure that it will have very wide support among the public. That’s one reason why the core features of our social democracy are so stable.
There is nothing to stop anyone forming a political party based on denying human rights to LGBT people or legalising assaults on children. Maybe throw in a few other policies and you would have a real vote winner.
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March 29, 2016 10:12am
waikatogirl

A Tokyo woman escaped her kidnapper after being held in an apartment for two years.
She made a dash for freedom when her kidnapper went shopping and forgot to lock the door…

Another weirdo with relationship issues 😉
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March 29, 2016 10:12am
Stars And Stripes

MM – ‘When both major parties support something, you can usually be quite sure that it will have very wide support among the public”.

Not sure about this, what about accepting the refugees from Syria?
Widespread public support?, I doubt that.
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March 29, 2016 10:15am
waikatogirl

British Security Service M15 is tracking 50 terrorists across the UK with concerns that ISIS are planning more than 25 terrorist attacks.
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March 29, 2016 10:20am
mikenmild

S&S
Maybe Scott could add another plank for his political party: no more refugees.
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March 29, 2016 10:25am
wf

Why should we have had a binding referendum on gay marriage? It doesn’t concern non-gay people. It’s none of anyone else’s business, no matter what their opinions.
I admit that whenever I hear ‘give-a-little’ now, I automatically say no.
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March 29, 2016 10:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

@inandout; @mandk

Humans did not evolve from the great apes…..
humans and great apes have an ancestor in common… but humans, chimps, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans have evolved along separate lines after diverging from their common ancestry.

Chimps and bonobos will consume animal flesh.
All of the great apes will consume insects, eggs etc….. They are not obligate vegetarians
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March 29, 2016 10:27am
Stars And Stripes

MM – maybe Scott could yes but you didn’t really address the issue of whether you still think your statement of “‘When both major parties support something, you can usually be quite sure that it will have very wide support among the public” is factual or not?.
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March 29, 2016 10:30am
UglyTruth

Like Rome before it fell to the Barbarians, we have reached a level of utter decadence.

With its infanticide and circuses Rome was just as barbaric as those who didn’t partake in its “humanity”.

http://wiki.actsinjunction.info/Blackstone/ConflictOfLaw
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March 29, 2016 10:32am
stephieboy

Stars And Stripes, your evidence that there could be widespread public opposition to Syrian refugees coming here ?
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March 29, 2016 10:40am
Stars And Stripes

Stephieboy – your evidence that there is widespread public support for them coming here?.

No conclusive data either way as a referendum has never been held on this issue but due to events overseas and a growing disquiet with Muslims in general I reckon NZ would overall vote no to this if given the opportunity.
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March 29, 2016 10:48am
Manolo

This piece of scum gets the boot:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/nigerian-man-deported-after-serving-jail-time/ar-BBr2gnG?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignoutmd
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March 29, 2016 10:48am
Manolo

@stephieboy: When will you understand NZ does not need any more Muslim refugees?
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March 29, 2016 10:49am
wiseowl

wf
Unbelievable.
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March 29, 2016 10:50am
Fletch

So now Labour leader Andrew Little wants us all to have another referendum as to whether NZ should become a republic? What is wrong with him? If Kiwis have voted to keep the current flag with its Union Jack, doesn’t that already signify something?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/should-new-zealand-become-republic-labour-leader-signals-referendum-plan
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March 29, 2016 10:58am
Inandout

Maggy Wassilieff 10.27: I knew we humans evolved from the a common ancestry as apes, but this was not the argument. It stands to reason early humans started off eating berries and such until they got the tools to slaughter animals.
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March 29, 2016 11:14am
Captain Mainwaring

@Fletch 10.58
So is this Angry Andy’s brain fart for today? I wonder what tomorrow’s will bring.
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March 29, 2016 11:19am
Inandout

There was a young two times a day mosque praying Muslim who phoned ZB this morning. He was asked a couple of curly questions about Islam and both answers were, ‘you will have to speak to a scholar about that’. The kid didn’t even know what the punishment was for leaving Islam. Goes to show constant praying to Allah dulls the mind, because this kid thought mohamed was a lovely peaceful guy who wouldn’t hurt a fly.
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March 29, 2016 11:21am
Kimbo

@ Inandout

It stands to reason early humans started off eating berries and such until they got the tools to slaughter animals.

How does that bit of logic and understanding of the natural world work, considering every other carnivore/omnivore doesn’t use tools?!
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March 29, 2016 11:23am
mikenmild

When someone uses the phrase ‘it stands to reason’, it quite often doesn’t.
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March 29, 2016 11:28am
Inandout

Kimbo: So…. early humans ran at speed, had claws, teeth as sharp as razors, clamp-like jaws, powerful eyesight, and a sense of smell that could detect a prey at a kilometre away…yup.
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March 29, 2016 11:31am
Kimbo

@ Inandout

Kimbo: So…. early humans ran at speed, had claws, teeth as sharp as razors, clamp-like jaws, powerful eyesight, and a sense of smell that could detect a prey at a kilometre away…yup.

Dunno. Wasn’t there. But as insects were likely plentiful and readily accessible, I don’t think operating at a 1km range was necessary. Nor was the eating of carrion likely difficult. Not particularly hygienic I know, but, hey, I don’t think the niceties of dining such as using a knife and fork were a priority for them!
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March 29, 2016 11:37am
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

When someone uses the phrase ‘it stands to reason’, it quite often doesn’t.

Yep. That and adverbs such as “obviously”, “clearly”, “utterly”, “completely”, “absolutely” and “undoubtedly”.
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March 29, 2016 11:39am
Fletch

It stands to reason early humans started off eating berries and such until they got the tools to slaughter animals.

Is that after they were influenced by the Monolith?
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March 29, 2016 11:50am
rangitoto

Chimps are known to sometimes hunt and eat small animals. They also use rudimentary tools such as sticks to dig termites out of their mounds and they use rocks for things such as smashing the hard shells of nuts.
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March 29, 2016 11:58am
Scott

Mikenmild you are the biggest source of disinformation on this blog. Kevin Hague said in the Town Hall in Masterton while arguing against holding a referendum on gay marriage that and I quote “minorities don’t do well in referendums”. He knew gay marriage was a referendum loser and admitted it.
Regarding the anti smacking bill the polls showed it was opposed by 85% of New Zealanders.
Unfortunately there is a progressive collusion by both major parties on these issues and the will of the public has been thwarted.
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March 29, 2016 12:05pm
mikenmild

Like I said Scott, you or anyone else is free to start a political party based on discriminating against homosexuals and bashing kids and see how well you do with voters.
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March 29, 2016 12:07pm
Kimbo

@ Scott

Civics 101:

New Zealand is a representative, not an absolute democracy.

Certainly, gentlemen, it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; their business, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice his repose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own. But his unbiassed opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

(Edmund Burke)

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch13s7.html
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March 29, 2016 12:10pm
UglyTruth

It stands to reason early humans started off eating berries and such until they got the tools to slaughter animals.

Ignorance and vanity are essential qualities of humans, it would seem. The human condition had its origin in Rome, and the origins of mankind are described in the language of religion with a evolution as a fairy story for atheists.
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March 29, 2016 12:11pm
rangitoto

What’s with the Daesh supporters hangup with Rome?
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March 29, 2016 12:21pm
Istvaña

Rangitoto – When you substitute Roman Catholic Church for “Rome”, or just “the West”, it makes more sense – what little sense it does make. It just means the seat of the religious adversary as they see it, through their 7th century view, albeit probably more true to the Prophet.
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March 29, 2016 12:28pm
Kimbo

@ Istvaña

It just means the seat of the religious adversary as they see it, through their 7th century view, albeit probably more true to the Prophet.

Same for Protestants! ‘The Whore of Babylon clothed in purple and red and seated on seven hills’, and all that…

Although the original reference in the Apocalypse was to the institutionalised Caesar-worship of the 1st Century Roman Empire.
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March 29, 2016 12:37pm
UglyTruth

What’s with the Daesh supporters hangup with Rome?

I don’t support them, Daesh dishonour Islam and are proxies like Al Qaeda.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Rome was always a predatory system, the humanist republic was a dream that could never be realized. The civil system used by NZ originated with Rome and is in conflict with NZ’s unwritten constitution. The philosophical conflict between the civil law and the common law was expressed in history as the Nineteen Year Winter of King Stephen:

From this time the nation seems to have been divided into two parties; the bishops and clergy, many of them foreigners, who applied themselves wholly to the study of the civil and canon law, which now came to be inseparably interwoven with each other; and the nobility and laity, who adhered with equal pertinacity to the old common law

http://wiki.actsinjunction.info/Blackstone/ConflictOfLaw
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March 29, 2016 1:22pm
Manolo

It’s good to have friends in high places:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/28/exclusive-donald-trump-hillary-only-being-nice-to-obama-because-she-wants-to-get-protected-from-looming-indictment/
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March 29, 2016 1:33pm
Nostradamus

I think of this classic exchange whenever I read gobbledegook:

Mr. Hutchinson: Now listen, there’s a documentary on BBC2 this evening about “Squawking Bird”, the leader of the Blackfoot Indians in the late 1860s. Now this starts at 8.45 and goes on for approximately three-quarters of an hour.

Basil Fawlty: I’m sorry, are you talking to me?

Mr. Hutchinson: Indeed I am. Yes, now, is it possible for me to reserve the BBC2 channel for the duration of this televisual feast?

Basil Fawlty: Why don’t you talk properly?

No prizes for guessing which commenter I’m referring to!
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March 29, 2016 1:45pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth , what civil derived law is in conflict with our commonl law and un written constitution ?

How was ” humanistic ” Roman Law predatory recalling also much of Britains common law goes back to ” pagan ” Anglo Saxon custom / Common law as well as Norman (old French ) law .
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March 29, 2016 1:45pm
Northshoredoc

Inciting people to violence ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/78330015/social-housing-minister-paula-bennett-wont-be-intimidated-by-death-threats

Surely this is a crime in NZ. Little’s two faced response to this is beyond a fucking disgrace.
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March 29, 2016 2:03pm
Scott Chris

Anyone notice Bernie the Birdman smacked Hillary by an average of 40 points in the last 3 Democratic primaries?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184

Or are we too busy navel gazing again?
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March 29, 2016 2:13pm
stephieboy

Manolo (20,674 comments) says:
March 29th, 2016 at 10:49 am

@stephieboy: When will you understand NZ does not need any more Muslim refugees?

Base on what authority ? Yours and a small lunatic fringe who post here ?

If so you’ve got to be joking !
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March 29, 2016 3:19pm
kowtow

ranittoto

Rome?

The Muslim warlord Mahommet sent ambassadors to the King of persia, the Roman Emperor at Constantinople heraclus and the Governor of Egypt telling them to convert.

The persian tore up the letter. Heraclus basically ignored it but the Egyptian sent Mo gifts including 2 slaves. One was the beautiful Mariyah a Copt and he couldn’t lawfully bang her as he couldn’t marry her ,until he conveniently dreamed up another revelation allowing him and him alone among Muslims to marry and therefor bang non Muslim slaves.

Rome did not convert to Islam and that is their hang up.
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March 29, 2016 3:23pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
Based on all the down ticks you get I reckon the concensus is we have more than enough diversity in NZ. In fact we rate as one of the highest in the world for diversity. I note none of my homosexual friends want any more Muslims ( and that’s their friends view too). I’d observe most feminists are probably against the idea too. Especially those who are concerned about FGM.
And then of course all dog lovers won’t be keen as well.
As for you, if you think so little of us to call us a “lunatic fringe” then maybe you should go elsewhere. You won’t be missed.
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March 29, 2016 3:34pm
Scott Chris

All_on_Red (2,856 comments) says:
March 29th, 2016 at 3:34 pm
Stephie
Based on all the down ticks you get I reckon the concensus is we have more than enough diversity in NZ.

That’s right All_on_Red, ~~WatsUpWithThat~~ Kiwiblog voting constitutes representative consensus.
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March 29, 2016 3:42pm
UglyTruth

Ugly Truth , what civil derived law is in conflict with our commonl law and un written constitution ?

It’s the system itself that is in conflict. For the civil system: “the will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government”, but in the context of the constitution the authority of government is conditional on the application of the rule of law.

For example in the civil system an agreement by the body politic to defraud people of their rights is called legislation, but at common law it is called conspiracy.
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March 29, 2016 3:52pm
All_on_Red

Thanks for agreeing Scott. After all Watts up with that has been voted the Best Science Weblog in the world three times and their site has had 267 million page views.
And isn’t KB the second most read blog in NZ?
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March 29, 2016 3:52pm
rangitoto

How many want to import people belonging a religion where they kill any of their errant members wishing Christians a Happy Easter?
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March 29, 2016 3:58pm
UglyTruth

and he couldn’t lawfully bang her as he couldn’t marry her

No, he could have her as his concubine. Judaism and Islam are quite similar in their rules relating to sexual relations.
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March 29, 2016 4:00pm
All_on_Red

Rangi- I presume an uptick means no
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March 29, 2016 4:02pm
rangitoto

Yep. A taxi driver going 200 miles out of his way to kill someone he didn’t know doesn’t happen in a vacuum. You can be sure this sort of stuff is happening because they are being wound up by preachers (probably Salafists financed by Saudi Arabia)
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March 29, 2016 4:06pm
Griff

After all Watts up with that has been voted the Best Science Weblog

ROFLMAO
Only a gibbering halfwit would think that WUWT is a science blog
Tim ball dragon slayer hiding on the tv
lord Monckton babbling loon who lies all the time
All in red are you really that stupid you cant tell the shit on WUWT from science ?
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March 29, 2016 4:06pm
All_on_Red

Actually Griff, I don’t really read it. Don’t have time. Scott raised it so I pointed out the stats. Which are impressive and undeniable.
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March 29, 2016 4:10pm
Scott Chris

All_on_Red (2,859 comments) says:
March 29th, 2016 at 3:52 pm
Thanks for agreeing Scott. After all Watts up with that has been voted the Best Science Weblog

By whom? Kiwiblog?
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March 29, 2016 4:12pm
UglyTruth

@rangitoto

There’s more to it than a simple “Happy Easter”.

Upcoming special event ;- GOOD FRIDAY AND VERY HAPPY EASTER ESPECIALLY TO MY BELOVED CHRISTIAN NATION X ! BISMILLAH…….., Lets Follow The Real Footstep Of Beloved Holy JESUS CHIRST (PBUH) And Get The Real Success In Both Worlds xxxx

https://www.rt.com/uk/337257-scottish-muslim-shopkeeper-killed/
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March 29, 2016 4:14pm
Griff

You dont read it ?

Yeah right all in red you have been posting dribble from there for years and just endorsed it.
Explain how this guy who is frequent poster on WUWT is a scientist or has anything to do with science .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbW-aHvjOgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTY3FnsFZ7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpF48b6Lsbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K74fzNAUq4

There is another four vids pointing out his bullshit using his own words .
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March 29, 2016 4:15pm
Scott Chris

All_on_Red (2,859 comments) says:
March 29th, 2016 at 4:10 pm
Actually Griff, I don’t really read it. Don’t have time. Scott raised it so I pointed out the stats. Which are impressive and undeniable.

Fair enough Red… I’m guessing that’s your standard measure of discernment when it comes to impressive and undeniable stats. 😉
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March 29, 2016 4:16pm
stephieboy

All on Red, the downticks I receive is more a reflection of a far right element ( possibly migrating from True Blue NZ etc ) rather than the real consensus that exists out there than in your and their bubble world .

Homosexuality does not mean your immune from biases and prejudices and I would think they have their fair share of racists too. Some would also believe e.g the pseudo science of the Bell Curve and inferiority of Africans often touted here .But then many would not.

As a matter of interest do your University graduate parents believe the same about the Bell Curve ?
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March 29, 2016 4:19pm
Scott Chris

All_on_Red I’ll be honest. In the past you’ve promoted the idea that man-induced climat
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