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Nostradamus

Reid:

But what exactly would you like us to do about it?

I’m not DifferentPerspective, clearly, but I’d like us to set up a focus group. Right now! Immediately! We need to make sure it covers all of the diversity bases, including the transgender community. And we can refer to a “problem” in vague terms so that any “solution” will appear to be eminently sensible.
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March 26, 2016 9:23pm
Scott Chris

mike you’re supposed to say, “it’s not Vogon politics, it’s Poetry!” at which point I’d demur; stick to the narrative bro s
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March 26, 2016 9:29pm
blazeoflight

Poor Fletch

‘Funny how an allegation about Cruz having affairs with multiple women gets traction, but Bill Clinton’s affairs, abuse, and rape of multiple women is met with a ho-hum by most media.”

Ummm, Fletch, Clinton was impeached.

Hardly a ho-hum.

What would you prefer?

Crucifixion?
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March 26, 2016 9:30pm
Scott Chris

btw im still within the realms of GOP jousting…..
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March 26, 2016 9:32pm
blazeoflight

@mikenmild 9.18pm

Is that your longest post ever on Kiwiblog?
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March 26, 2016 9:33pm
mikenmild

No, far from it. Although I do try to stay away from the tl;dr territory of the Reids and Pennys.
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March 26, 2016 9:38pm
Scott Chris

blazeoflight (926 comments) says:
March 26th, 2016 at 9:33 pm
@mikenmild 9.18pm

Is that your longest post ever on Kiwiblog

Could be but I suggest it won’t be the last…
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March 26, 2016 9:39pm
Reid

I’d like us to set up a focus group.

Personally I’ve decided to take Homer’s advice here Nosty:

Just squeeze your rage into a bitter little ball and release it at an appropriate time. Like that day I hit the referee with a whiskey bottle. Remember that, when daddy hit the referee?
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March 26, 2016 9:41pm
Nostradamus

North Korean ‘Last Chance’ propaganda video shows submarine attack on Washington

North Korea has released a new propaganda video showing a submarine-launched nuclear missile laying waste to Washington and concluding with the US flag in flames.

The four-minute video, menacingly titled Last Chance, romps through the history of US-Korean relations and ends with a digitally manipulated sequence showing a missile surging through clouds, swerving back to the earth and slamming into the road in front of Washington’s Lincoln Memorial. The US Capitol building explodes in the impact and a message flashes up on the screen in Korean: “If US imperialists budge an inch toward us, we will immediately hit them with nuclear [weapons].”

I must admit I find the North Korean situation challenging. At one level, we shouldn’t be talking about regime change, as that’s supposed to be for the local people to decide. But then we get regimes where there’s no free vote or where the concept of a free vote is, at best, illusory, because voting for the wrong person gets you locked up and killed. In the case of North Korea, millions have died through starvation, torture and public executions. There’s probably no way of realistically achieving regime change without inflicting more harm on innocent civilians. Buggered if I know what the answer is. But is doing nothing an acceptable approach if we’ll be sitting here in, say, 20 years with millions more North Koreans killed and a tyrant in power?
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March 26, 2016 9:44pm
Scott Chris

Personally I’ve decided to take Homer’s advice here Nosty:

Homer of the unclassical variety but I’m with you all the way there Reid!

Classic (un) Simpsons.
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March 26, 2016 9:45pm
blazeoflight

@Nostra

Yes.

And you should know better than to present a false dilemma.
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March 26, 2016 9:48pm
Nostradamus

blazeoflight:

I’m not trying to present a “false dilemma”. That’s a loaded concept and not a constructive contribution to this discussion.

I don’t think anyone seriously disputes that innocent North Koreans are dying under the current regime. I don’t think anyone seriously disputes that there’s no concept of democracy in North Korea.

So, please tell me, what’s your prescription for North Korea? Just leave things as they are?
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March 26, 2016 9:50pm
Scott Chris

and fuck off you heathens who don’t understand 1990s cartoon or roman classical references! So there!
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March 26, 2016 9:52pm
rangitoto

wikiri “Scientist thought after 30 years of good research science could deal with bio diversity loss, eco system damage and climate change. He said he was wrong. He found the top evironmental problems are greed, selfishness and apathy.”

At least the Nats are doing something positive with the establishment of the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary. I wonder why Maori are against it. Could it be greed, selfishness and apathy?
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March 26, 2016 9:53pm
Scott Chris

any of you guys know who Garry Shandling was?
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March 26, 2016 10:00pm
Griff

whatever maggy love
You are in denial over your behavior and the effects of the sort of crap you spurt has had.
Salinger had a mental break down after the baseless attacks on his integrity and competence.
Deniers like you were responsible .

I’ll give it another go: Please stop writing incorrect information about me on this public blog.
What have I said today that is not true?The tone trolling is just a logic fallacy that I have no time for or intent of giving in to .

I will repeat.
NIWA won the court case that tried to prove they were wrong .Those that took this case then dishonestly evaded paying the costs.You sem to support these rat bags rather than our reputable scientists.
NIWA also produced another series with no adjustments that confirms the result of the first.
BOM peer reviewed their work and found no issues. You have even claimed the data for this series is not available when it took me a minute to find it in detail. As well as commenting that their was No peer review when you know there is .
B.E.S.T has an independent study using their own methods that also confirm NIWA results .
The temperatures of the globe are warming.
We would expect NZ to show a similar result to every were else.
It does.
Environmental indicators also confirm we have a warming globe.
Franz and fox being graphic examples .
Yet you still try to imply the work of honest scientists is corrupt , wrong or inept and the seven station series is incorrect.

You have implied that there is multiple agents in a conspiracy to hide the truth.
NIWA .
BOM .
NZ Courts .
The ombudsman.
As well as all the other agency’s that produce global temperatures like NASA, NAOH,UK met, Jap met, U east Anglia .
You have misrepresent study’s like Fyfe et al in claiming repeatedly it talking of a pause or hiatus when it clearly excluded the words.
When this was pointed out you spent the rest of the day still trying to claim it did.
You have supported some extremely disreputable people like Soon and his failure to expose the clients he was receiving money from for writing study’s or Selby who was sacked for falling to tun up for work not because of his views as you claimed.’
I could continue but that is enough for now .

I am questioning your ideas.
If you have a problem with this change your ideas or justify them .
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March 26, 2016 10:01pm
Scott Chris

yeah well Garry Shandling died recently, a great American comedian.
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March 26, 2016 10:03pm
cha

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cWbkWTYwTw
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March 26, 2016 10:10pm
blazeoflight

@Nostra

False dilemmas is not a loaded concept. It’s a fallacy, plain and straight. Either/or and all that jazz.

My prescription is irrelevant. The American Empire always needs an enemy, and seeks to promote and provoke putative enemies as much as possible.

But, if I could, I would advise a benign US president (I know, no such entity) to cease the threats, sign non-aggression pacts. Promise to never attempt regime change and, this a big and, supply nuclear technology such that North Korea needs never fear attack, just as with they do with Israel, an equally irrational regime.

And gently lead the regime into a more humane and benevolent mindset towards its people.

Also, remember Afghanistan. Remember Iraq.
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March 26, 2016 10:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff

Salinger had a mental break down after the baseless attacks on his integrity and competence.
Deniers like you were responsible .

I will report this to DPF.

Do not ever engage with me again.
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March 26, 2016 10:11pm
Reid

Tad sensitive aren’t we Maggy? Griff’s pretty harmless, once you claw him away from AGW.

(BTW got any ideas about how to get the same result from stephie? I imagine there’d be lots of takers if you could crack it. You might even be able to retire. I’d sure as hell pay something.)
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March 26, 2016 10:22pm
Scott Chris

Maggy Wassilieff (3,018 comments) says:
March 26th, 2016 at 10:11 pm
@Griff

I will report this to DPF.,

What, that the world isn’t warming? Good luck with that.
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March 26, 2016 10:24pm
Captain Mainwaring

Good on you Maggy. You have my total support.
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March 26, 2016 10:26pm
blazeoflight

@Maggy

I struggle to see your problem with Griff’s irrefutable logic.

I didn’t know one of our finest scientists had a mental breakdown. That’s a shame and an injustice.

I do agree with Griff that all deniers – confident in their disregard for the scientific method – had a part to play in that breakdown.

Report me too, thanks.
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March 26, 2016 10:26pm
blazeoflight

@Scott Chris

Re Shandling…sad loss.

Me, I’m getting increasingly perturbed at people around my age seemingly dropping like flies.

FFS, my daughter needs me!!!
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March 26, 2016 10:31pm
Griff

What will you report maggy ?
That you deny climate change is obvious by the number of times you have tried to deny or minimize some facet of it.
You have attacked Jim Salingers integrity and professional competence repeatedly even to the extent in the past of distorting reality to do so .
This behavior of yours is a continuation of attacks that have caused Dr Salinger untold grief .

I have listed multiple arguments clearly and concisely without any ad hominem content or unsupportable reference in respect of you previous comments .
and you have tone trolled on a few words .
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March 26, 2016 10:32pm
Scott Chris

Problem is Griff, Maggy, like a lot of her cohorts, has lost sight of the relevant data.

Relevant vs Subjective data. Hard to draw a distinction as you get older.
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March 26, 2016 10:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For those who are interested

Dr Jim Salinger had a depressive episode in 2005….. years before I started commenting on aspects of climate change science.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11392074

Griff is aware that like Jim Salinger I am the daughter of a depressive mother. Jim Salinger’s mother got treatment and lived until 2005.
My mother was ashamed to go to Porirua Hospital for treatment so shot herself and was cremated on my 10th birthday.

Jim Salinger suffers from Depression…. there is a genetic component. To date, I have never suffered from depression. But some of my relatives do.
I am sickened that Griff has accused me of causing someone’s mental collapse.
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March 26, 2016 10:46pm
Scott Chris

Maggy Wassilieff (3,019 comments) says:
March 26th, 2016 at 10:46 pm
For those who are interested

Dr Jim Salinger had a depressive episode in 2005…

Nice way to start a short story but not a credible way to prove anything scientific. Data first, especially when 97% of your colleagues oppose your views.
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March 26, 2016 10:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Scott chris

did you read what Salinger wrote?
specifically this:

4. Was 2009 your annus horribilis?

No ” 2005 was my annus horribilis. In that year I had four deaths ” my mother, favourite aunt, and two first cousins, and a divorce. It caused a horrible depression. I had persistent sad, down and miserable feelings, loss of interest in activities, feelings of guilt, “empty” feelings and a bleak and pessimistic view of the future. I combined psychiatric help with antidepressants, and there was tremendous support of close friends and family, and a sympathetic workplace at Niwa.

So his depression was not caused by being fired from NIWA or from events around the inquiry into the seven-stations record.
Nothing to do with Griff’s assertion at 10:01pm.
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March 26, 2016 11:09pm
Scott Chris

Anyone downticking me have a coherent argument or are you just anonymous slugs without any sense of purpose other than to oppose rationality?
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March 26, 2016 11:11pm
Nostradamus

blazeoflight:

But, if I could, I would advise a benign US president (I know, no such entity) to cease the threats, sign non-aggression pacts. Promise to never attempt regime change and, this a big and, supply nuclear technology such that North Korea needs never fear attack, just as with they do with Israel, an equally irrational regime.

I want to make sure I understand your point. So are you proposing a two-part solution? The first part relates to regime change – you’re suggesting that the US should sign a non-aggression pact with North Korea and promise not to attempt regime change there. The second part relates to nuclear technology – you’re suggesting that the US should give North Korea nuclear technology.

I wonder if Reid has a view on the North Korea situation.

As to the other part of your suggested solution:

And gently lead the regime into a more humane and benevolent mindset towards its people.

That just doesn’t seem realistic.
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March 26, 2016 11:11pm
Scott Chris

Maggy Wassilieff (3,020 comments) says:
March 26th, 2016 at 11:09 pm
@Scott chris

did you read what Salinger wrote?

If it’s not related to the data he collected then no, I’m not really interested in his peripheral observations. I would suggest you focus on why your observations seem so unaligned to his observed reality.
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March 26, 2016 11:24pm
Scott Chris

btw maggy its still me arguing with you but im using academic rigour isnt it a drag
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March 26, 2016 11:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Scott Chris 11:24

Its late in the night… and as you observed at 10:42…. some of us are getting older….

so just a brief overview of my position on NZ’s temperature record

there have been two peer-reviewed published papers on the topic
Hessell 1980… said no warming in the period 1930-1980
Hessell, JWD “Apparent Trends Of Mean Temperature In New Zealand Since 1930” (1980), New Zealand Journal of Science, 23, 2-9.

De Freitas et al 2014: found a temp rise of 0.28+/-0.29 deg C for last century.
de Freitas, C.R., Dedekind, M.O. and Brill, B.E. 2014. A realanysis of long-term surface air temperature trends in New Zealand. Environmental Modeling and Assessment: 10.1007/s10666-014-9429-z.

NIWA has posted on its web site that NZ’s temp rise is 0.91+/-0.3 deg for the last 100 years.
https://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/information-and-resources/nz-temperature-record

The methods used to arrive at this result have never been published in a peer-reviewed paper (although the head of NIWA told Parliament in 2012 that money had been allocated for such a paper and staff were preparing it).

So that’s where I’m at…… 2 different published temperature records… and a 3rd NIWA version.

Here’s another summary
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V17/oct/a34.php
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March 27, 2016 12:04am
Scott Chris

Maggy Wassilieff (3,021 comments) says:
March 27th, 2016 at 12:04 am
@Scott Chris 11:24

so just a brief overview of my position on NZ’s temperature record

So say we fake our temperature and say it’s normal for the last 100 years. How does that effect the global average?
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March 27, 2016 12:14am
DifferentPerspective

Well Reid, I wasn’t actually making a call for action – it was more of an observation really. The sort of thing one does on a blog site under the General Debate page.

But… seeing as you asked. I think there’s a couple of things immediately that we could all do.

1) Complain vociferously to the Broadcasting Standards peeps. It’s the sort of thing that the fascists on the left do every single time they get filled with faux outrage about something.

2) Share (over and over and over again) – this link with everyone you can and keep it circulating as long as possible.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11462191 (note the dishonest way it’s written “..but in the public mind MPs are still second-to-bottom of a list of 10 types of jobs and organisations. MPs rank slightly ahead of journalists, the least-trusted group …” seeking to deflect attention TO MPs from what is truly the headline “Journalists are the least trusted profession).

3) Switch off from their TV stations and do not read their publications (after all we can all find enough info on the internet from a wide enough range of sources to be fully informed without having to digest NZ media’s biased sewage).

4) And – in forums like this – call the lying bastards out for being lying bastards whenever you see their dishonesty and irresponsibility at work. (You know whenever you read “Islam: Religion of Peace” or whenever Guyon Espiner opens his mouth).

The more we spread the word and show the gullible in society how dishonest the media are – the faster we reach the situation they’re getting to now in the US – where the public just loathe the media and their power starts to wane.

And of course, I’m with Nostradamus about how powerful focus groups are. Look at the fab stuff Labour are coming up with out of their FGs!
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March 27, 2016 12:19am
blazeoflight

@Maggy

de Freitas…say no more.

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March 27, 2016 12:19am
blazeoflight

@Nostra

Yes

Yes

Maybe, but the alternative, given the examples I gave above, prove my thesis.

I am always amused when my American friends spin the line that, at the end of the day (cliche alert!) they mean well.

I say, fuck off, you deluded wanker…

[DPF: Strike 1]
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March 27, 2016 12:26am
Shunda barunda

“Salinger had a mental break down after the baseless attacks on his integrity and competence.
Deniers like you were responsible .”

That is utterly ridiculous.

“Environmental indicators also confirm we have a warming globe.
Franz and fox being graphic examples .”

Ha!!
For most of my life both those glaciers were growing, AGW supporters said “no no! thats because of increased westerly rainfall” more recently (very recently) they are shrinking….. because AGW
So when they grow its AGW, and when they shrink its AGW.

I met some of the people that do the climate change studies on these glaciers and you couldn’t get more ideologically driven individuals if you tried.
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March 27, 2016 12:30am
Nostradamus

blazeoflight:

I say, fuck off, you deluded wanker

I haven’t abused you and yet, for some reason, you consider this a measured and proportionate response to my 11:11pm comment. You’ve just disqualified yourself from the discussion. And, no, you haven’t proved anything – but don’t let that stop you from going for a victory lap around your bedroom.
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March 27, 2016 12:35am
Scott Chris

I met some of the people that do the climate change studies on these glaciers and you couldn’t get more ideologically driven individuals if you tried.

Really? I know some of these people. I’m sure they’d be happy to share. Give me one name. One name. One name.

Crikey echo is scary of truth in these parts…..
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March 27, 2016 12:39am
Shunda barunda

Crikey echo is scary of truth in these parts…..

I don’t think I’ve ever met more arrogant people in this country than the “environmental elite” they even sabotage environmental groups that don’t adhere to their own particular narrow ideology.

These individuals are one of the greatest barriers to mainstream support of GENUINE improvements to our environment.
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March 27, 2016 12:50am
Scott Chris

Ha!!
For most of my life both those glaciers were growing, AGW supporters said “no no! thats because of increased westerly rainfall” more recently (very recently) they are shrinking….. because AGW
So when they grow its AGW, and when they shrink its AGW.

Interesting. So were you personally observing those glaciers Shunda or would you care to direct me to the research founding your self assurednes?
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March 27, 2016 12:56am
Scott Chris

Shunda lets just cut to the chase, link the research….
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March 27, 2016 12:59am
Scott Chris

Bah another fake. Why the fuck do you pinheads fall for this shit?
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March 27, 2016 1:01am
Shunda barunda

Interesting. So were you personally observing those glaciers Shunda or would you care to direct me to the research founding your self assurednes?

I was interested in those glaciers since I first visited them as a child, then did a project on them for 5th form geography (they were growing by more than 1m per day then) they continued to grow well after I was married.

They are shrinking now after a decade or more of weak el nino events (surprising considering AGW is supposed to increase such events) though not unprecedented, they have retreated like this before in the relatively recent past.

It was always impressive to see how much they had grown, one of the most amazing things i have ever witnessed.
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March 27, 2016 1:04am
Scott Chris

Shunda barunda (3,859 comments) says:
March 27th, 2016 at 12:50 am

Just to remind me of a fake fucking fake.

Shunda fucking fake Baranda fucking fake.

Have you any defense faker?
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March 27, 2016 1:06am
Shunda barunda

Bah another fake. Why the fuck do you pinheads fall for this shit?

Wait…..

Are you seriously telling me that you didn’t know about the dramatic advance of these glaciers in recent decades?
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March 27, 2016 1:10am
Scott Chris

Shunda barunda (3,860 comments) says:
March 27th, 2016 at 1:04 am
I was interested in those glaciers since I first visited them as a child, then did a project on them for 5th form geography (they were growing by more than 1m per day then) they continued to grow well after I was married.

lel so trump learned you to lie. nice party bro.

Which aeorplane, which expedition which year quick…..
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March 27, 2016 1:10am
Scott Chris

typical trump demographic… full of shit.
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March 27, 2016 1:13am
Shunda barunda

Scott

The Franz Josef glacier on the West Coast of the south island advanced (rapidly) between the years of 1984 and 2008

This, my angry odd fellow, is a scientific fact.
Over the past 32 years, the glacier has been advancing for 24 of those years.
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March 27, 2016 1:15am
Scott Chris

Shunda barunda (3,862 comments) says:
March 27th, 2016 at 1:15 am
Scott

The Franz Josef glacier on the West Coast of the south island advanced (rapidly) between the years of 1984 and 2008

This, my angry odd fellow, is a scientific fact.

Spare me the wikipedia and convince me in your own words that you know the relative state of global glacial advance/retreat.
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March 27, 2016 1:24am
Scott Chris

in other words shut the fuck up shunda fucking moron barunda

capice?
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March 27, 2016 1:26am
Scott Chris

And yes I’m angry because you bible addled morons are jeopardising the advancement of decent society whilst facilitating the systematic destruction of our ecosystem.

Yes I’m fucking angry you fucking moron.

[DPF: Tone it down. Strke 1]
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March 27, 2016 1:35am
Griff

May 2014
http://www.rvexplorer.co.nz/West-Coast_Glaciers.cfm?NewsID=1492&NewsCatID=181&disp=detail

We arrived on an overcast autumn afternoon – not the greatest for taking pictures, but at least it wasn’t raining.

I had visited this glacier just over 40 years ago, and I was intrigued to see a sign near the start of our walk that advised us that this was where the face of the glacier was at about that time. It now take 45 minutes to walk there over that valley that had previouly been covered with ice.

now
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3494892/Tourists-banned-hiking-New-Zealand-s-glaciers-Fox-Franz-Josef-ice-melting-quickly-global-warming.html

Sitting near the base of the Franz Josef Glacier, Wayne Costello, a district operations manager for the Department of Conservation, said that when he arrived eight years ago, the rock he was perched on would have been buried under tons of ice. Instead, the glacier now comes to an end a half-mile (800 meters) further up the valley.

‘Like a loaf of bread shrinking in its tin, it’s gone down a lot as well,’ Costello said.

‘So it’s wasted away in terms of its thickness, and that’s led to quite a rapid melt.’
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March 27, 2016 2:58am
Griff

NIWA has posted on its web site that NZ’s temp rise is 0.91+/-0.3 deg for the last 100 years.
https://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/information-and-resources/nz-temperature-record

The methods used to arrive at this result have never been published in a peer-reviewed paper (although the head of NIWA told Parliament in 2012 that money had been allocated for such a paper and staff were preparing it).

I am afraid that as you have had this pointed out more than once that is a lie Maggy
https://www.niwa.co.nz/our-science/climate/information-and-resources/nz-temp-record/review/changes/seven-station-series-temperature-data
The ‘seven-station’ series was originally constructed by Dr Jim Salinger as part of his Ph.D. His thesis is held by Victoria University of Wellington, and the reference is:

Salinger, M.J., 1981. New Zealand Climate: The instrumental record. Thesis submitted for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy at the Victoria University of Wellington, January 1981.

The methodology for adjusting for site changes in the NZ temperature record was published in the peer-reviewed International Journal of Climatology in 1993:

Rhoades, D.A. and Salinger, M.J., 1993: Adjustment of temperature and rainfall records for site changes. Int. Journal of Climatology 13, 899 – 913.
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March 27, 2016 3:23am
Left Right and Centre

No TTP – no TTP – no TTP – let’s get in the way of their car – that’ll show them. Oh my f god – ran over me f foot at 5km/h.
Did anyone get that on camera ?

Yeah – because if it was really that bad anyone would be able to quite calmly ask any questions like it was nothing.

If a train ran over your foot – you’d have one foot left. You wouldn’t be asking if anyone can help you take selfies etc

What a total little ignorant muppet bogan peasant. Who would shag that – honestly. Face like an unwarrantable second hand tyre and makes a noise like a screeching duck being shot out of the air. Complexion of someone who has set the record for blood donation while staying conscious. Looks a bit rough mate – ruff ruff !!

I’ll try to bogan it up for her – don’t fuck with moving cars shithead – that’s your problem. Of course – there could be ACC claims and who knows what shitstorms. What was the driver *meant* to do ?
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March 27, 2016 7:22am
Shunda barunda

‘So it’s wasted away in terms of its thickness, and that’s led to quite a rapid melt.’

It did the same many decades ago, then advanced rapidly for 24 years until 2008

That seems strange don’t you think Griff?

It almost looks like a natural cycle of retreat and advance (which it has always done)
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March 27, 2016 7:29am
Shunda barunda

in other words shut the fuck up shunda fucking moron barunda

capice?

I don’t think you’re doing yourself any favors losing the plot like that.

It’s not necessary and you sound unhinged.
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March 27, 2016 7:31am
SGA

Scott Chris at 1:35 am

Yes I’m fucking angry you fucking moron.

Falling outside your normal moral constraints?
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March 27, 2016 7:39am
Left Right and Centre

General granny shopping. There’s at least one thing I like about Easter – all the morons who turn up after closing on Sat night – not only do they miss out right then – they can’t come back the next day either. Suck on that you useless braindead nasty little noddys.

Two young adult skinny short brown boys – fairly toasted – couldn’t take no for an answer. Dumb ugly punks – I should’ve asked them what they could teach me about their culture so I could harvest the diversity dividend. It felt like a police 10/7 moment – they were in that league of loser. ‘But can’t I just use the toilet’ ? Nah. Then later – ‘but can’t I just use the ATM ?’ No mate – you’ve been told no. ATMs are everywhere – fuck off and find another one. Obviously his life depended on somehow getting inside. You could spend a long time trying to punch all the punk off a face like that. A long time. Disgusting repulsive idiots. Decile minus one underclass.
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March 27, 2016 7:47am
blazeoflight

@Nostra

The subject of my comment was my American friends.

I was previously under the impression your comprehension skills were of the superior ilk.

However, we can make mistakes.
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