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chiz

Trump owes at least $250M to banks.
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March 21, 2016 1:30pm
B.L.Zeebub

Seeing as it is joke time,

What`s the difference between a bonus and a penis?

Your missus will blow your bonus…….
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March 21, 2016 1:30pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles ,

From my earlier post that you may of missed ?

“No you don’t. You tried to claim a 13 year old child was not raped by Muslims because she consented. Civilized people do not try to make excuses for child rapists.”

When did I say that precisely ?

Your attention to this would be appreciated before we discuss the issue at hand
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March 21, 2016 1:32pm
dime

kowtow – agree. Dime just has a problem with what Bennett quoted. it was lame.

ciaron – shes having a smoke? shes having a drink? fuck it cant be that hard dude. if she was chugging on some dwarfs cock id take your point.
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March 21, 2016 1:33pm
ciaron

chiz (1,294 comments) says:
March 21st, 2016 at 1:30 pm
Trump owes at least $250M to banks.

Apparently, he’s worth $4billion, so I don’t think he’ll be losing too much sleep about it.
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March 21, 2016 1:34pm
Stars And Stripes

I think a lot of these statements about manners and public decency around children in relation to Wicked Campers are a bit inconsistent as if you go to a lot of protests around New Zealand much worst language and abuse will be used quite often through a loud hailer or printed on a placard with children present and this is fine and acceptable but when Wicked Campers print it on a van it is not okay apparently.
I say same rules apply to everyone, if it’s deemed acceptable to use such language and vileness in a public protest then it’s okay for Wicked Campers to use it.
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March 21, 2016 1:35pm
Shawn Herles

@Griff

“According to Shawn’s anti pc stance its ok to make fun and discriminate against minority’s.”

You mean like always referring to Maori people as stone age savages, which you have done many times Griff?

Cognitive dissonance much?

And while we are on the subject of cognitive dissonance, how about you claiming that people only use personal attacks because they don’t have an argument, and you just got a weeks suspension for making personal attacks. In fact, you made several personal attacks immediately after claiming that it’s a cover for not having an argument.

Again, cognitive dissonance much?

PC has nothing whatsoever to do with not making fun of people. It is about enforcing Leftist ideology.

Being opposed to PC does not mean making fun of minorities or people with disabilities. It means not buying the PC claim that all non-Western cultures or groups are beyond reasonable critique.

You yourself know that, and have, hundreds of times on KB, criticized other cultures, like Maori culture.

Fair enough, but now claiming that it’s not ok for anyone else to do so is again, an example of cognitive dissonance.

Griff, on KB you’re the king of hypocrisy.
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March 21, 2016 1:37pm
ciaron

ciaron – shes having a smoke? shes having a drink? fuck it cant be that hard dude.

I can’t down tick you Dime, you’re so brutally honest and I respect that. But just a word of warning, most kids are smarter than that and know when you’re giving them BS. And they don’t come with owner manuals either. 🙂
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March 21, 2016 1:39pm
dime

“Trump owes at least $250M to banks.”

OMG!!! real estate tycoon leverages!!! lmao
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March 21, 2016 1:39pm
Manolo

Why does the aging philanderer put himself through this ordeal? Power is the answer.
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-bill-clinton-appears-listless-disconnected-during-tucson-rally/

Bill Clinton is deteriorating before our eyes.

The former president appeared in Tucson and Phoenix on Sunday and during an introduction by Mark Kelly, Clinton stood expressionless, seemingly chewing on his tongue with his mouth agape.
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March 21, 2016 1:41pm
Paulus Gnome

Why don’t Wicked Campers put something like ‘not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims’ on their vans and see how that goes.
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March 21, 2016 1:44pm
dime

“I can’t down tick you Dime, you’re so brutally honest and I respect that. But just a word of warning, most kids are smarter than that and know when you’re giving them BS. And they don’t come with owner manuals either. :)”

heh cheers.
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March 21, 2016 1:44pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
You have written at least half a dozen times on KB that a 13 yo having sex with three Muslim men was not rape because she consented.
Crimes act 1961
134 Sexual conduct with young person under 16
(1)Every one who has sexual connection with a young person is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years.
(2)Every one who attempts to have sexual connection with a young person is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years.
(3)Every one who does an indecent act on a young person is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years.
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March 21, 2016 2:05pm
Griff

ROFL
Your rant is just more dribble from someone incapable of connected thinking.
I am not the one who is claiming PC is bullshit yet enforcing your version of PC on others Shawnie AKA Waping with third hand

One of these days you will finally get it.
liberal is not left in the civilized world .
Only in the USA is right conservative authoritarian left liberal.
Read the posts of DPF and his personal statement …… This is a liberal blog.
Its full of conservatives ranting their wonky views.
Because the conservative blogs are wastelands that no one bothers with.
We dont even have a operative “Conservative” political party in this country .We have had a few but each time they self destruct because of do as I say not as I do hypocritical leadership .Which leads right back to your bullshit of exceptionalism over only your right to not be offended Tonto.
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March 21, 2016 2:10pm
Manolo

Could it Be? Brexit could deliver another blow.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3501996/PETER-OBORNE-Beginning-end-Dave-George.html

Very few political reputations have fallen as fast as George Osborne’s over the last few days. It’s only a few months since the Chancellor was widely hailed as the next Tory leader, the man who steered our economy away from the rocks. Today, as calls are heard for his resignation, there’s a doubt as to whether he will even survive as Chancellor.

Part of the reason for Osborne’s downfall is his savaging from former welfare secretary Iain Duncan Smith in that contemptuous resignation letter to David Cameron on Friday.
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March 21, 2016 2:13pm
stephieboy

All on Red,

Stephie

You have written at least half a dozen times on KB that a 13 yo having sex with three Muslim men was not rape because she consented.

When exactly ?
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March 21, 2016 2:17pm
All_on_Red

Past few months, stunning you can’t remember
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March 21, 2016 2:18pm
Griff

Past few months, stunning you can’t remember

Actually all in red he did not. What has happened is the usual halfwits have made up bullshit and kept repeating it until they believe their own dribbles.

Even better.
Show me the bit were underage sex with a minor is rape.
It is not rape in New Zealand.
It is the offense of sex with a minor as you have just highlighted.
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March 21, 2016 2:26pm
Manolo

Brazil in the hands of corrupt socialist governments:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/18/brazil-in-crisis-what-happened-and-what-next.html

Amid its worst recession in 25 years, Brazil is also facing its worst political crisis in decades.
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March 21, 2016 2:30pm
Inandout

stephieboy 12.21: A presumably half drunk walking around this area for a few minutes, holding the camera so the picture is narrow, and waiting to be attacked. Sorry, it is either staged or he has gone there very late at night.

This comment sums it all up-
‘This video proves nothing. Oh well done you wondered around on a quiet night right by a central station on the beaten track for 6 minutes. Try doing this in Tower Hamlets or near a mosque or away from he central part of such areas. Go crazy and have a smoke and wear skinny jeans at the same time’.

Oh yes, Trump was correct about no-go areas.
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March 21, 2016 2:35pm
Monique Watson

We was lowering the tone of Arrowtown this time last week. Took three nights of hooliganism and mayhem to town. And thats just the five kids. Hill is talking through a hole in his ass.
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March 21, 2016 2:41pm
ciaron

Even better.
Show me the bit were underage sex with a minor is rape.
It is not rape in New Zealand.
It is the offense of sex with a minor as you have just highlighted.

Or commonly known as unlawful sexual connection or statutory rape?

If you do a Ctrl+f of The Crimes Act for Rape you get 0 returns. That must mean we don’t have any rapes in NZ, right Griff?
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March 21, 2016 3:17pm
Monique Watson

Obama visits Cuba:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/21/world/americas/obama-arrives-in-cuba.html?_r=0

Nek Minnit New Zealand.
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March 21, 2016 3:17pm
thedavincimode

Just pay back your student debt Monique. Get a real job and just pay it back.
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March 21, 2016 3:19pm
Monique Watson

Don’t know what you’re on about old chap. Loan paid. Self made.
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March 21, 2016 3:24pm
thedavincimode

Well done. Last I recall (and not so long ago) you were boasting about not having paid it back and having no intention of doing so. Well done for this change of heart. Good to see you high flyers meeting their obligations.
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March 21, 2016 3:28pm
Monique Watson

No I wasn’t. I was taking a poke at the scheme. And thanks.
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March 21, 2016 3:33pm
Reid

No, just rank hypocrisy when you say things like this; “I could quite imagine you in an children’s park taunting and abusing a Muslim mother and her child”

Except I didn’t say that, Captain Bananas.

Duh.

BTW, speaking of rank hypocrisy, how come you constantly point out the entirely predictable outcomes of the Muslim migration wave which your beloved neocons engineered as if (a) none of us have ever noticed it and (b) the people whom you “greatly respect” aren’t responsible for it in the first place?

Don’t answer. You can’t. There is none. Just be aware Captain Bananas that whenever you post on that, which you do about five times a day, you’re being a rank hypocrite, and yes, we notice.

And just scrolling up, we see both Griff and stupidboy accusing you of doing precisely the same thing with them! You’re a liar Shawn, plain and simple. After all, once is an accident, but making things up three times today alone, with three separate people? Can’t be accidental, can it, ya liar. And yes, we have noticed this pattern too. You do it all the time. You’re a real piece of work Captain Bananas. That’s not meant as a compliment BTW.
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March 21, 2016 3:33pm
Reid

Sorry Shawn, I just realised you weren’t referring to me and I missed the delete window. My apologies.
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March 21, 2016 3:39pm
stephieboy

Reid,
heh. Heh , heh

CTers of a feather flock together !
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March 21, 2016 3:47pm
Manolo

Oh dear. The whole word is shaking with fear:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/opinion/sunday/will-trump-be-dumped.html
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March 21, 2016 3:49pm
Bob R

People talk about Key Derangement Syndrome. There is definitely a major Trump Derangement Syndrome amongst the current elites.
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March 21, 2016 3:54pm
All_on_Red

Sexual Conduct with a person under 16 is a form of Rape called Statutory Rape.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
“In some common law jurisdictions, statutory rape is sexual activity in which at least one person is below the age required to legally consent to the behavior.[1] Although it usually refers to adults engaging in sex with minors under the age of consent,[1] it is a generic term, and very few jurisdictions use the actual term statutory rape in the language of statutes.[2]
Different jurisdictions use many different statutory terms for the crime, such as sexual assault (SA), rape of a child (ROAC), corruption of a minor (COAM), unlawful sex with a minor (USWAM),[3] carnal knowledge of a minor (CKOAM), unlawful carnal knowledge (UCK), sexual battery[4] or simply carnal knowledge.”
(Or in NZs case Sexual Conduct with a person under 16 as in S134)

“In statutory rape, overt force or threat is usually not present. Statutory rape laws presume coercion, because a minor or mentally handicapped adult is legally incapable of giving consent to the act.”

So COERCION IS PRESUMED because a minor is legally incapable of giving consent. The bad thing though was that it looked like Stephie was arguing that because the 13yo gave consent it was ok.
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March 21, 2016 3:57pm
Reid

I’ve said often re: Trump that you don’t get to become successful in gambling without having mob connections and that’s a fact. I’ve also said I prefer Trump to Hellary and I’ve also said that what I think might happen is that Trump and Hellary square off and then some scandal or other takes Trump out, leaving Killary as the only standing candidate. This to me is looking increasingly likely, since Trump’s mob connections are very well documented and you have to ask yourself since this is a fact, why then aren’t the media smearing it all over the headlines? Given that, they say, the GoP establishment AND the media hate him so very much?

The answer to that, IMO, is that doing it right now, before the final two are signed, sealed and delivered, would spoil the illusion of the political game. It would give someone like Sanders a chance to come through the middle. And they don’t want that. “They” being the people who’ve always controlled US politics, the people who chose the POTUS and manage the “drama” that constitutes politics, the sham that it is. “They” have computer modelling that would have told them the cynicism that exists in the electorate about the plastics, so even though “they” want Shillary (because “they” know they can control her and “they” want war, with Iran and with Russia, because “they” will make so much money from it), even though “they” want her, “they” know that she’s associated with the plastics, and so they create an anti-candidate, Trump. All this to keep the sheeple bleating and baaing so they don’t go postal off the reservation lest they realise the game they’ve followed their whole lives is in reality a complete bunch of manufactured stage-managed bullshit.

So here’s some detail on his mob connections, that the media, mysteriously, even though they hate him, haven’t published – yet.

There are two possible conclusions to draw from the above documents of a fifty some year history of businessman Don Trump and a myriad gaggle of business associates who are tied to the mob. Either it is true, as he says again and again, that he was unaware of their mob ties and worked with them for superior their business skills. In that case, with fifty years of such abysmal lack of elementary due diligence in checking backgrounds of those he works with in the most sensitive positions, Don Trump is demonstrably not qualified, on national security grounds, to even be White House gardener. On the other hand, if the ties are with knowledge and clear intent, from Roy Cohn to those of the last several years, Don Trump then is a narcissistic pathetic real estate and casino gangster who ought never to step near the most powerful office on Earth

http://journal-neo.org/2016/03/20/a-mafia-don-with-a-pompadour/
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March 21, 2016 4:05pm
waripori

Have spent a few minutes trying to find out what people mean when they say Ted Cruz is Dominionist. It sounds quite nice. As always with web sites and blog sites it is hard to see through the bias.

I found this:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2016/02/04/john-fea-on-ted-cruzs-dominionism

“John Fea on Ted Cruz’s Dominionism

February 4, 2016 by Warren Throckmorton 244 Comments

Several authors have tried to tease out the differences between the evangelicals supporting Donald Trump, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Jon Ward did a nice job on this topic for Yahoo News, noting that Ted Cruz followers enthusiastically consider America a Christian nation while Rubio’s followers are not as convinced.

Now, Messiah College chair of History John Fea has written a piece identifying Ted Cruz as a seven mountains dominionist. I think the evidence is there and because of that I believe political reporters should be asking Cruz some questions about the implications for public policy.

Here is a little of Fea’s article.

Cruz’s approach to politics is inseparable from this theology. His goal is to lead a Christian occupation of the culture and then wait for the Second Coming of Christ.

He’s also a good politician. He knows the theological affirmations of his father, Barton or Huch might be too much for some Americans to swallow. He does not use the terms “dominionism” or “seven mountains” when he is campaigning. But it is also worth noting that he has never publicly rejected these beliefs.

Cruz’s campaign may be less about the White House and more about the white horses that will usher in the God’s Kingdom in the New Testament book of Revelation, Chapter 19.

Read the rest of Fea’s op-ed here.

Anyone who has studied seven mountains dominionism knows that Fea is on target. I would add to Fea’s analysis that Christian Reconstructionists see themselves as different than apostolic dominionists. Joel McDurmon writing on behalf of American Vision denies that Christian Reconstructionists want to rule in a top-down government. After agreeing that reconstructionists believe all of life should be governed by the Bible, he describes how seven mountain dominionism is at odds with his brand:”

Might also be worth looking at the wikipedia entry for Ted’s father Rafael.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Bienvenido_Cruz.

This all explains why Cruz has not swept the evangelical vote as even a majority of evangelicals think Cruz and his father are trouble. The question of whether the USA is a Christian nation or not is all about the formation of the Republic and is fundamental in a non Christian way.

Trump has got to be more electable than Cruz .
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March 21, 2016 4:07pm
Ed Snack

David !

Tim Blair’s Blog, in Australia, commenting on:”Never trust a country with just one time zone…”

Ahem, a few of us Kiwis might disagree grin
David Farrar of Wellington (Reply)
Mon 21 Mar 16 (05:38am)
Kiwiland Province, Australia replied to David Farrar
Mon 21 Mar 16 (01:10pm)

David, Tim did say “a country”.
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March 21, 2016 4:27pm
Gulag1917

“It must be emphasized that this was not the first time US strategic forces were accused of using drugs. “Back in 2011, a massive scandal erupted when over fifty American sailors were caught using synthetic drugs on a regular basis. A total of 46 people were discharged from service on the USS Carl Vinson, which is also armed with nuclear weapons.
Time and time again certain American soldiers have shown criminal negligence while handling nuclear weapons. In 2013, there came a report that guards didn’t seal the doors of a nuclear bunker at a US military base, and a year later, soldiers damaged a Minuteman III nuclear warhead in Colorado during a routine check.”
How Secure Are the American Nuclear Arsenals?
http://journal-neo.org/2016/03/20/how-secure-are-the-american-nuclear-arsenals/
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March 21, 2016 5:08pm
Northland Wahine

John Lehmann, Mr “a bit of sexual violence never hurt anyone … LOL” is upset at the negative response to is message to Paula Bennett.

“I had one that sent me a photo of my daughter and said ‘let’s try some abuse on her’. Would the “Lol”make it a joke? Earlier, I agreed with Dime and MM. People can just take their business elsewhere. And using this twits daughter as a way to prove a point is tasteless to say the least and I don’t think any sane person would condone such statements…

However, maybe Lehmann may think twice about his crude advertising now… And maybe he’ll understand that Paula Bennett is someone’s daughter, mother, wife.
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March 21, 2016 5:55pm
RF

When I first heard about 2 cops pulling over 3 vehicles in Cheviot yesterday afternoon and getting attacked by the 9 occupants I had uncharitable impure thoughts that this could involve the special people. Although I had serious doubts I was prepared to hold back with my accusations. After all special people can be peace loving.

Today the offenders charged with assaulting police appeared in court and I was gutted to hear that members of their families were barking like dogs. We all know that this is the trait of mongrel mob scum.

I hope the lawyers taking corrections to court for breaching the Treaty of Watangi are ready for more of their savage thugs who hopefully will appear before a judge who is prepared to throw the book at them.
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March 21, 2016 6:06pm
Reid

maybe Lehmann may think twice about his crude advertising now… And maybe he’ll understand that Paula Bennett is someone’s daughter, mother, wife.

and

Today the offenders charged with assaulting police appeared in court and I was gutted to hear that members of their families were barking like dogs. We all know that this is the trait of mongrel mob scum.

Question of boundaries isn’t it.

Where does our entitlement as free men end and society’s right of collective responsibility begin?

The problem with Lehmann’s vans is not what adults see but what kids do.

People violently resisting the police performing lawful duty.

And my take on root cause is P.C. psychobabble. That teaches people to place their own needs above those of others, that it’s OK to take offence where no offence is intended, do as thou wilt is the whole of the law. Decades of this entitlement mentality has enabled both Lehmann and these mob dudes to do what they’ve done, and the rest of us to stand silent and aside while their attitudes developed, for fear of stepping in, lest we interfere with their human wights.

You can see this all over the world, laterly in the EU immigration issue.

The thing that P.C. always stands silent on, is where the fuck are society’s rights? Our rights? The rights of us to make the place we live in, a place we want to be? It never addresses that, indeed it pretends that doesn’t exist.

And indeed in the P.C. world, it doesn’t. For its engineering, shaping the world. It doesn’t give a fuck about the world, anymore than a digger digging foundations for the pontoons of a mighty bridge gives a fuck for the earth and the rock it blasts away in pursuit of the objectives.

This is P.C. folks.

Its poison.

Know it, and react accordingly, don’t just sit there and take it, while it blasts away your children, your future, through its ruthless, implacable and well worn techniques.
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March 21, 2016 7:16pm
Griff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/78115892/Council-receives-complaint-over-offensive-campervan-slogan-in-Timaru
With photo of a van with the caption.
A wet dream is just an hand job from god .
See that Shawn they are onto your third hand matey……
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March 21, 2016 7:26pm
Stars And Stripes

Wicked campers are going to lose this one way or another as the crusading zealotry masses have now been unleashed in their full force and will stop at nothing to see this through to the end and have them gone.
There is a heap of people out there who love this bandwagon shit and are just waiting for things like this to get outraged over.
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March 21, 2016 7:37pm
Andrei

What is with this “your comment is awaiting moderation” thing?
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March 21, 2016 7:41pm
Reid

SS so you’re driving down the highway with your kids playing eye-spy and one of these vans heaves into view and your six year old daughter asks you: Daddy, what’s a cock and why do people want to suck it?

Is that OK?

What is with this “your comment is awaiting moderation” thing?

You’re a bad person Andrei. If you didn’t like Russia quite so much, it wouldn’t happen.
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March 21, 2016 7:43pm
Stars And Stripes

Andrei – bug in the system which crops up every now and again. Comment will appear after 20 minutes or so.
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March 21, 2016 7:43pm
Griff

Yip and the real funny thing stars .
It is the bloody godwhackers with their moral dribbling driving the crusade.
Conservatives not the left or liberals as many seem to think and have posted on here.

Family First national director Bob McCoskrie said the organisation had written to the Timaru District Council following the complaint.
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March 21, 2016 7:43pm
Griff

What is with this “your comment is awaiting moderation” thing?

Did you have lots of links Andria?
Thats the only time I get such a message.
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March 21, 2016 7:45pm
Andrei

No links Griff, no naughty words either

Just an ordinary comment
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March 21, 2016 7:47pm
Stars And Stripes

Reid- I am not really debating the rights and wrongs of this as their are two sides to each argument but all I am saying is that we see the current phenomena a lot in NZ now, a mob descends on a chosen target and whips itself into a frenzy and will pull out all stops to remove or silence them regardless of what the rest of society thinks.
I generally am not supportive of mob rule kind of democracy.
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March 21, 2016 7:50pm
Andrei

They are called moral panics Stars and Stripes and they have a long pedigree – e.g. the Salem Witch Trials

That being said those slogans are exceedingly repulsive, repellent in the extreme – making a fuss over them just gives the company free publicity though
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March 21, 2016 7:57pm
Reid

I am not really debating the rights and wrongs of this as their are two sides to each argument but all I am saying is that we see the current phenomena a lot in NZ now, a mob descends on a chosen target and whips itself into a frenzy…

Totally agree SS and I hate it too.

Seeing the same thing e.g. in the totally mental sugar debate. Seen it in tobacco.

Sheeple leaping in the air as they go through a gate, for no fucking reason.

Absolutely.

Aren’t they mental.

However, not much doubt about this van thing as I see it, for the reason its read by kids, not just we adults who have a context. Kids don’t. That’s why it’s not acceptable. If we had R18 roads and that’s all they drove on, it would be, but we don’t, so it’s not.
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March 21, 2016 8:02pm
AgentBallSack

It’s nice here without Penny C Bright.
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March 21, 2016 8:03pm
AgentBallSack

People worried about Wicked Campers but let their kids listen to Champagne Showers by LMFAO. Or any modern music. Get the bubblewrap and cotton wool out.
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March 21, 2016 8:12pm
AgentBallSack

Reid all the Kennedys have mob ties. So what? Hillary is a racist lying piece of crap who defends rapists of minors. Whats your preference?
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March 21, 2016 8:19pm
Reid

Like I’ve been saying all along between those two ABS, Trump.

But hell of a choice, ain’t it.

And isn’t it strange, that it narrows down in the leader of the Western world, to a choice between someone who’s definitely going to start a world war, vs someone who might. What sort of “civilisation” do we have today?

And still, when people like Andrei, EAD, UT, Kowtow, myself and others try to explain to you people how the world works, many people, including you, tell us we’re insane and we understand nothing.

Either read it (reality) and weep.

Or deny it (reality) and pretend it doesn’t exist.

But FFS, if you adopt the latter perspective, don’t try to reconcile it with the reality that’s unfolding. If you do, your whole worldview is likely to fall apart, and we don’t want that, do we.

And the point to my previous comment mate was, the mob ties are obvious, so why aren’t the media smearing them? Not the fact they exist.
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March 21, 2016 8:32pm
Shawn Herles

“No, just rank hypocrisy when you say things like this; “I could quite imagine you in an children’s park taunting and abusing a Muslim mother and her child”

Except I didn’t say that, Captain Bananas. ”

I was talking to stephie. However I understand that plain English often confuses you.
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March 21, 2016 8:44pm
nasska

….”people like Andrei, EAD, UT, Kowtow, myself and others try to explain to you people how the world works, many people, including you, tell us we’re insane and we understand nothing.”…..

Bullshit Reid! I for one have never accused Andrei, EAD, UT or yourself of being insane. Okay, EAD’s a bit slow & bewildered but not certifiable.

You judge us harshly! 🙂
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March 21, 2016 8:47pm
Shawn Herles

“Conservatives not the left or liberals as many seem to think and have posted on here.”

Of course. Conservatives believe in decency. Liberals and leftists believe in living in a toilet bowl in dire need of flushing.

And in reality Liberals and Leftists do far more “moral dribbling” it’s just that they have no clue what real morals are.

Oh and Griff, a child cannot consent to sex with an adult, so no matter how you slice and dice it, it’s rape.
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March 21, 2016 8:48pm
AgentBallSack

If a world war ends the faux wars we are engaged in, perhaps we need one. Hillary will feed her paymasters via the same old wars, Trump is an unknown yet. Does war suit his paymasters or does an internal building boom? Mobsters control construction in America. No new construction in a depression. Perhaps America needs Trump to get them out of the middle east. Being there hasnt helped the world.
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March 21, 2016 8:53pm
Reid

If a world war ends the faux wars we are engaged in, perhaps we need one.

Next world war starts with nukes ABS, it don’t end with them.

Global exchange.

As I’ve pointed out before, the rotation of the Earth collects the radiation at the Equator, meaning that we and Iceland are the best protected, if anyone is.

Could this be why all those oligarchs etc are buying a slice of us?

Trump is an unknown yet. Does war suit his paymasters or does an internal building boom?

Who are the puppetmasters is the unknown ABS. We all know who Hellary’s are, but who are Drumpfs? Personally, I suspect they’re no different from Killary’s. But what data do you have on that?

The rest of your comment reeks of a perception the world works as explained by MSM. I have no time for that, it’s false and if you can’t even work that basic out, then you’re not much use in a discussion like this. If you think that, then you probably don’t even know who Drumpf is.
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March 21, 2016 9:06pm
mikenmild

As I’ve pointed out before, the rotation of the Earth collects the radiation at the Equator, meaning that we and Iceland are the best protected, if anyone is.

Same thing as happens for clouds.
Ha ha ha.
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March 21, 2016 9:13pm
Reid

Same thing as happens for clouds.
Ha ha ha.

Do you know what the first thing NORAD does when they detect a confirmed incoming strike mm?

Airburst EMPs all over the planet.

Thus downing every single non-hardened aircraft in flight at that time.

Ha ha indeed.

Tell us mm. Why do you find such things amusing?
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March 21, 2016 9:19pm
mikenmild

Reid, you are so deluded. The Dunning-Kruger is so strong, it’s hilarious.
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March 21, 2016 9:21pm
Reid

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
— Albert Einstein

Why don’t you look it up and educate yourself mm. It’s not hard.

I suggest start with E=MC squared, Try saying that without moving your lips then work your way up from there.

Anyone who wants to verify what I just said, its freely available.
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March 21, 2016 9:29pm
mikenmild

You’re not worried about World War IV are you Reid? Won’t the World War III you so eagerly anticipate end (or start, I forget which) with you being Raptured out of here?
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March 21, 2016 9:34pm
Reid

You’re not worried about World War IV are you Reid? Won’t the World War III you so eagerly anticipate end (or start, I forget which) with you being Raptured out of here?

I’m not worried about anything mm nor do I eagerly anticipate something which is going to kill billions. What kind of person would do that?

But since you evince even more ignorance (oh the humanity!), another thing you should educate yourself about is: “the rapture.”

As I’ve [also – duh] previously explained here, this comes from the Scofield Bible, a distorted tome which infests the US and poisons its Christian brethren.

I’m not the least interested in diverting to that discussion. Rest assured mm, I don’t buy it.

But no surprises, you allege I do.

Hopefully mm, you won’t be attributing such slimy false beliefs to me in future, I’m sure we’ve put such slime to rest here tonight, haven’t we.

And that goes equally to the two dumbos who’ve approved your slimy 9.34 accusation.

Glad that’s all sorted, for you three, once and for all, isn’t it.
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March 21, 2016 9:45pm
mikenmild

Sorry Reid, I guess we can chalk up one crazy belief to which you don’t subscribe.
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March 21, 2016 9:49pm
Reid

Sorry Reid, I guess we can chalk up one crazy belief to which you don’t subscribe.

mm if I thought you were you genuinely sorry then I’d graciously accept, but sadly, you couldn’t resist inserting a bit more slime into it could you, so apology accepted in the spirit in which you gave it, Slimy.

Boy, I’m really looking forward one day to meeting you through our mutual friend. I can’t wait.
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March 21, 2016 9:53pm
Left Right and Centre

Left Right and Centre, are you a liar like Nosty and Aww Cmon or just a complete fuckwit?
Contra proferentem is most common applied in contracts, by can be applied to any ambiguous statement.
Nosty’s argument that it can’t be applied here is special pleading.

Complete fuckwit Uggers. Now tell me – what is ‘complete fuckwit’ in latin ?
Yeah – but you’re not really a great intellectual – so it’s like a little girl playing dress-ups in mummy’s high heels, make-up and dresses.
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March 22, 2016 4:37am
Left Right and Centre

>>I saw on the news – some primary school that has been ‘water only’ for years – issue of course childhood obesity.
Sounds like prison. Bread and water. I can’t remember drinking anything at primary school. Part camel on paternal side.
What about sugar free soft drink ? I suppose they’ll want to enshrine in law all acceptable food and drink. Well – they’ve got drink covered. Water – cool.

And typical tired old shit about ‘improved attention spans and behaviour’. It’s all been shown to be a total crock of shit – it makes damn near no difference. Shit I’d love to see the kids that go mental and all they’ve had is water – what a crack-up that would be. Little Rangi is just a dysfunctional broken turd from a feral family – cause it sure ain’t the fizzy drink we don’t let him touch.

Of course outside school hours the kids regain their freedom from prison and go hard. Let’s go to Maccas for dinner – chooooorce bro. And I suppose the teachers make sure that every child is doing weekly physical activity – not to be hypocritical and impose one form of weight control and not another. JAMBP (just another mostly brown problem). I’d tell the school where to stick their water only nanny says so fascism – I’d say my kid ain’t fat so fffk off PC drones.

>> A few Wicked camper comments on the thread . . .
Oh dear. The poor old conservatives and golden oldies. Can’t we just go back to the 1950s ? Life was so much better. Those vans are just loud the way they’re painted – that’s the worst part of them. It’s not clever – the jokes are xmas cracker funny. I never see anyone on the news that says they love the vans because of all the stupidity on them – like bogan customers or anything. They always seem like really nice middle class young folks from Germany or somewhere. Why would they take one ? Weird.

I’ve only ever seen one on the news – I think. Interesting test of ‘the actual freedom of expression everyone can agree is permissible’. It could be worse – it could be a madonna in a condom painted across the back – hahahaha. I feel offended when I see religious stickers or other crap on vehicles. L plates left on with one person – clearly not the learner – driving. That’s offensive.

>> The cops have an opnion regarding Auckland nightlife hours. They’re not elected mate. No mandate – get stuffed. No easy answer – fights, violence. Yeah – just shut the place down at 2am. Midnight would see less drunken crime. So would 11pm. What a great party town – the liveable city that dies at 2am.

>> Probably won’t be much on around Easter so I can’t wait for the hourly updates on the holiday road toll – cops 0km/h tolerance speed limit etc should be good times. Who wants to call the first fatal ? I’ll say . . . Friday at 6:35pm in the BOP (‘the BOP’ or just ‘BOP’ – there’s a classic debate).

Isn’t it weird to think of it – either no-one will die on the roads over Easter, or . . . someone out there – like us – is living life, going about their daily business – and they’ve only got a few days on earth left because they are *gone* come Easter. Road toll lotto – and the loser is . . . unlike Powerball, it rarely ever jackpots with no loss of life.
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March 22, 2016 6:59am
Fletch

Paul Watson on the mental disorder of liberalism. He uses Sweden as an example, where the Swedish Govt wants to tax the population to pay for returning ISIS terrorists to get jobs and reintegrate into society. No joke!

Expressen reported that councilor Rasmus Persson wants to be able to offer returning ISIS soldiers jobs, to help prevent the alienation they feel and may have been the original reason behind their decision to join up.

“We have discussed how we should work for these guys who have come back, and to prevent them from returning to the fighting and that they should be helped to process the traumatic experiences they have been through”

Swedens official coordinator against violent extremism, Mona Shalin, supports taking the movement national and has been quoted as saying she wanted to impose tax aid for immigrants who fought with ISIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZL3axcwDz8
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March 22, 2016 11:12am
mikenmild

Fletch
Sounds a bit crazy, doesn’t it?
But imagine a New Zealand Muslim who goes over to Syria to fight for ISIS, but changes his mind and comes home. What should we do with him? Lock him up indefinitely? Or give him a helping hand?
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March 22, 2016 11:24am
Fletch

mm, as the video mentions, in Britain, they are arrested. Who says that they didn’t come back to set a bomb and cause mayhem at home?
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March 22, 2016 11:39am
mikenmild

Oh, I wouldn’t discount that possibility. Didn’t look at your video, sorry. But I was addressing a principle: I wouldn’t see anything wrong with the government supporting ex-ISIS members who returned to New Zealand and wanted to change.
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March 22, 2016 11:47am
stephieboy

Fletch , the idea that liberalism ( and we can include progressivism ) is a mental disorder is utterly inane and stupid !

We can say therefore that Abraham Lincoln with the abolition of slavery and the Emancipation proclamation suffered from a mental disorder ?

Kate Shepherd , Emmeline Prankurst and the Suffragette movement also ?May we add Lord Shaftesbury and his Victorian Factory and the Child Labour Act.?

Only Shawn Herles types advocate such garbage !
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March 22, 2016 12:01pm
starboard

We know , dont we..we know the brand of this one..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78129946/vehicle-taken-at-gunpoint-as-police-track-fleeing-offender
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March 22, 2016 12:16pm
Fletch

lol.
Stephieboy, I don’t think he meant an actual disorder (although, who can be sure?).
But “liberalism” does not mean the same as what Lincoln et al practised. Classical liberalism is something else entirely.

Today’s liberal progressives are more akin to socialists.
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March 22, 2016 12:19pm
starboard

“I wouldn’t see anything wrong with the government supporting ex-ISIS members who returned to New Zealand and wanted to change.”

A typical whiny hand wringing sickly liberal response from mm . You must be as thick as a 4 by 2 mm. Fancy saying that, let some murdering scum muslim return to NZ because ‘they wanted to change’.

I think most of the time you are taking the piss and just trying to be contrary because you are bored and have nothing better to do, living at home with ya mum and all. Tell us that was tongue in cheek mm, you were just agitating again..being a diddle.
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March 22, 2016 12:23pm
starboard

Good ‘ole murri, keepers of the land , conservationists..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/77905708/tainui-plans-to-cut-down-ruakura-trees-appalling
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March 22, 2016 12:34pm
Fletch

Obama in Cuba poses for photo in front of mural of the murdering, Marxist-revolutionary, Che Guevara – “The Butcher of La Cabana”. No surprises there really, is there? Che had a fan in Helen Clark, whose favorite movie was The Motorcycle Diaries, about Che’s life.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/21/obama-poses-in-front-of-che-guevara-image-in-cubas-revolution-square/

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-disgraceobama-stands-in-front-of-che-guevara-sculpture-during-photo-op/article/2586381?custom_click=rss
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March 22, 2016 12:43pm
Shawn Herles

As I have pointed out repeatedly, I use the term Liberalism, and more recently Liberal-Left to be more precise, to refer to the New Left ideology that came out of the late 60’s and early 70’s. And as far as that ideology goes, yes I think it is a mental disorder. Not literally of course, as in an actual disorder, but in the sense that it’s a whackjob ideology that has no relation to reality. Stephie’s notion that I am talking about ending slavery or the suffragettes is just his usual hysteria.
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March 22, 2016 12:43pm
Shawn Herles

‘The Regressive Left Is Losing The Campus War.’

“A turning point is underway in the culture wars over American universities. Dismayed by their wild-eyed radicalism and anti-intellectual demands, college faculties, administrators, and much of the media are turning their backs on the regressive left.

Left-wing activists have been running rampant on college campuses for years. In 2014, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) found that the number of speaker disinvitations on campus, typically prompted by the allegedly “offensive” views of a visiting speaker, had more than tripled over ten years. Activist crusades against cultural appropriation, sexism and racism have led to the banning of an eclectic range of items on campus, from Charlie Hebdo to mini-sombreros.

In one low point, student leaders at the University of Minnesota blocked a proposed annual moment of remembrance for 9/11 on the grounds that it could promote “Islamophobia.””

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/21/regressive-left-on-defensive-on-campus/
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March 22, 2016 12:47pm
Griff

but in the sense that it’s a whackjob ideology that has no relation to reality.

Is that like a belief in third hand wapping ?

I use the term Liberalism,

Yip but like redbaiter you use a word you dont even understand.

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Whereas classical liberalism and European liberalism prioritise liberty, American liberalism and social liberalism stress equality.[4] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programs such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation

What part of liberty and equality do you find mental Tonto?
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March 22, 2016 1:01pm
stephieboy

Fletch , Lincoln a “classical Liberal “ Possibly but very definitely also one was not afraid to use government intervention when the” free “ markets failed or not up to it . Whether as politician in Illinois or in Washington DC ,

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,1877093,00.html

Shawn Herles , yes radiic libs do have apparently some strange views but not confined exclusively to them as e.g the radic right Mises Institute and leader Lew Rockwell shows.

And this fellow here ,

“It Makes Perfect Sense that Donald Trump Is a 9/11 Truther”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431370/donald-trump-911-conspiracy-theory-fits-his-pitch

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431370/donald-trump-911-conspiracy-theory-fits-his-pitch
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March 22, 2016 1:03pm
mikenmild

Shawn
Perhaps you would be better advised to use more precise terms than misuse ‘liberalism’ as a term of abuse. Saying what you mean, and all that.
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March 22, 2016 1:06pm
cha

Obama in Cuba poses for photo in front of mural of the murdering, Marxist-revolutionary,

Yeah Fletch, you can’t have a US President appear in a Communist country in front of an image of a murderous revolutionary – oh wait….

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeFyjZ9XEAEqlzx.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeFyj9xWwAAjQdR.jpg
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March 22, 2016 1:12pm
stephieboy

Good one cha.Welcome back

Fletch and this one too,

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/ZhouNixonBanquet.gif
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March 22, 2016 1:37pm
Fletch

cha, I think this is different. I don’t think Reagan could have spoken from anywhere else. He used the podium from where it was. Obama is posed in front of that purposely. In fact, I think the mural was purposely set up there in order to make a point. Obama isn’t stupid. Or maybe he is. But it’s not the same thing. You know Reagan was not Communist, or sympathetic to it. The same can’t be said for Obama.

Now, have you anything to explain away Helen’s fandom?
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March 22, 2016 2:20pm
UglyTruth

Complete fuckwit Uggers.

Got a point to make, Left Right and Center?

Or do you just want to be outed as a lying sack of shit again?
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March 22, 2016 3:30pm
Shawn Herles

“Is that like a belief in third hand wapping ?”

Still buthurt from getting bitch slapped by Maggy Griff? 🙂

“Yip but like redbaiter you use a word you dont even understand. ”

I understand it perfectly. Judge a man, or a movement, but what it does, not what it claims to be. And on that score, modern liberalism has nothing to do with liberty. It is in fact profoundly anti-liberty. As your support for letting homo’s destroy the lives and jobs of anyone who disagrees with them proves.

Oh, and “equality” is not found anywhere in nature. It can only be imposed by using brute state power, which is why when it comes to the crunch, liberals ditch liberty, which always leads to inequality, and and use big government coercion to force “equality.” And again, your own stance on homo rights proves that.

Clearly you don’t understand the ideology you claim to follow.
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March 22, 2016 3:40pm
Shawn Herles

Cha’s comparison is stupid, bit it’s cha so…

Reagan stood where he did as part of his mission to destroy Soviet communism. Obama stood where he did because he likes Cuban communism.

Cha’s little time away has not improved is debate skills or intellectual ability.

Nor did Griff’s. 🙂
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March 22, 2016 3:47pm
mikenmild

So Reagan stood in front of Lenin to oppose communism, but Obama stood in front of Guevara to support communism?
That’s a little bit silly. Don’t read too much into it.
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March 22, 2016 3:56pm
Northshoredoc

Even amongst the plethora of losers wanting to get into the Auckland council trough Ms Bright stands out as perhaps the most laughable and hypocritical of the lot.

https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/shon-key-arrested-pasifika
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