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duggledog

Rodney Hide writes in today’s Herald an article about Bob Jones / Winston Peters & Donald Trump:

“Peters has fashioned a lifelong career on the fear of foreigners taking over. The more he is attacked, the more he appears the martyr and the more the establishment looks to be trying to hide that it has let us down and sold us out.”

Rodney.

Foreigners are taking over, the establishment has let us down, and it is selling us out!
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March 20, 2016 8:05am
Manolo

Freedom of association: http://www.azfamily.com/story/31516829/trump-protesters-block-streets-in-fountain-hills
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March 20, 2016 8:19am
Happychappy

So the Herald is so hard up for stories it has to go back ten years and dredge up story of the germs who might have or might not have killed the Kanui twins.Who wants to listen or read about some Maori bullshit and lies that family covered up the facts of these murders and no one was brought to justice.
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March 20, 2016 8:21am
Chuck Bird

@duggledog

Rodney Hide – the perk buster is not longer in Parliament. Winston still is and his polling is going up.
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March 20, 2016 8:36am
wiseowl

spot on DDog.

But immigration makes the books look good.
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March 20, 2016 8:37am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Left wing nutters everywhere are celebrating the latest Roy-Morgan poll as if Labour has won the 2017 election! Even assuming Winnie will be king maker, he is not going to let Greens take up cabinet positions and Greens won’t sit outside supporting a Labour-NZ First minority government. So Peter will end up with National (which is a disaster scenario for National anyway).
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March 20, 2016 8:37am
stephieboy

Manolo, this is the tantalising bit from your link – a pro Trump protest placard at the home of birtherism

“Joe for VP,” referring to Arpaio.
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March 20, 2016 8:39am
EAD

Jean Claude Van Damme says on national TV what many of us fear that, despite his overwhelming popularity, the Rothschilds & the Rockefellers won’t let Donald Trump win:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH_PKWSK25k

Just hope he doesn’t get “JFK’d”, especially as he wants to audit the Fed:

http://www.infowars.com/trump-calls-for-auditing-the-fed/
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March 20, 2016 8:45am
Paulus Gnome

And the main protagonists went on to breed again!

Mysky and the sperm doner wanker father are part of my loathing of maori and their culture of violence

Someone said here the other day that New Zealand would be the Switzerland of the South Pacific without the issues that maori raise. I agree and am prepared to swop a fondue dinner for another impromptu eye rolling spitting shouty haka
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March 20, 2016 8:45am
Keeping Stock

@ Sir Cullen – the Left needs to look closely at the numbers. Labour is on 28% in that poll, and no party with barely a quarter of the vote should be allowed to form a government.
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March 20, 2016 8:47am
jcuk

While we may have faith in John Key, though that is increasingly questionable, we should have no faith in his supporting team which this morning is responsible for the Air Accident debarcle following on from all the other stuff ups coming to light in recent years. But sadly I doubt if a change would solve the problem.
Who controls the purse strings ?
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March 20, 2016 8:48am
kowtow

Max Hastings is no “swivel eyed loon”. European leaders are taking her down the road of disaster with their refugee and migration policy (or lack of one)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3499652/Could-lead-war-Europe-Apocalyptic-yes-conflict-avoided-MAX-HASTINGS-says-unchecked-mass-migration-make-Europe-unrecognisable.html
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March 20, 2016 8:50am
Longknives

That Herald ‘Reporter’ has simply written emotional drivel.
Given the (well documented) feral environment those poor Kahui kids were born into it is extremely unlikely they would have grown up as the happy,normal boys she describes in the ‘idyllic’ South Auckland environment she bleats on about.
Sorry but kids are a product of their environment- The future was very bleak for them from the moment they were born.
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March 20, 2016 8:53am
stephieboy

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Time for an apology also from our local Muslim bashers on KB ,whale oil and elsewhere ,

“The Government is batting away claims of manipulation over the Prime Minister’s f”Jihadi brides” statement, saying “it doesn’t matter where they leave from”.

It was revealed yesterday that no New Zealand “Jihadi bride”, first mentioned in a select committee late last year, had left this country.

The Security Intelligence Service (SIS) has confirmed that group of women, who made headlines after comments made by the Prime Minister and SIS boss Rebecca Kitteridge in December, all departed Australia. …”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/77995750/it-doesnt-matter-where-they-leave-from-jihadi-brides-were-still-new-zealanders–government
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March 20, 2016 8:55am
kowtow

Jihadi Brides.

The Aussies are rightly pissed off with New Zealand. We lt all sorts of dross in , they get citizenship , and then go to Oz to cause trouble or soak up benefits there.

That’s an abuse of both NZ and Australia. These fuckers owe us an apology and they shoyld be deported if they don’t really want to live here and contribute. Fuck em and the politicians taking sides with genocidal Islamic women.

Islam is a threat to the west .
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March 20, 2016 9:07am
Awww C-mon

EAD,

You mean the guy with blue sunglasses and his own initials on his cap, doing a political debate in a TV studio, is the guy we should be taking seriously right now??

Right….
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March 20, 2016 9:08am
srylands

So what would this apology be about? That some maniac New Zealanders departed to do maniac things from Sydney and Melbourne rather than Auckland.

I thought this story was mental when I saw it a few days ago. I have not changed my mind.
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March 20, 2016 9:09am
G152

Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims…
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March 20, 2016 9:10am
stephieboy

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Kowtow,

” a threat to the west ” ?

At the local level here in NZ – How ?
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March 20, 2016 9:10am
mikenmild

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Quite right, stephie. I don’t expect that DPF will do a pice about the ‘Jihadi brides’ nonsense, but this DomPost editorial covered it quite well:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/78047730/editorial-the-public-were-misled-by-the-fiction-about-kiwi-jihadi-brides
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March 20, 2016 9:10am
Griff

they get citizenship , and then go to Oz to cause trouble or soak up benefits there.

ROFL
Are you really that ignorant kowtow ?
No bennie for kiwis in AU has been a topic in both the news and on here recently.

Ignorance is a bigger threat to the west.
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March 20, 2016 9:14am
pentwig

StephieTV

no matter what country they left from they are are still Kiwis and pose a threat if they return. Lets hope the murdering traitors never do.

Good grief you are thick.
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March 20, 2016 9:15am
dime

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11608638

what a pathetic lead story.

camper vans with slogans. apparently they are “100% offensive”.

the first example – “Big legged women ain’t got not soul,”. apparently this Led Zep lyric is “100% offensive” lmao

“”My first thought was ‘f*** that’s offensive’,” she says. She snapped an image of it, did her shopping and left. “I just got angrier and angrier.”

what other examples are their Dime? just how offensive are they????

“your thighs wont touch if my heads between them” – my goodness. Dime wont sleep tonight.

or this one

“drink till shes pretty” – quite possibly the most offensive thing ever.

lucky for us dot coms fuck boy david fisher is all over it and its on the front page.

paula “i know you beat someone half to death with a piece of fence paling but you can stay at my house” bennett is also all over it.

“Bennett: “I’m determined to do something about it.”” – the fuck?? in her capacity as what?

“All across Wellington this month, officials have been studying legislation and looking for traction.” – this is the only thing in the article that is actually offensive.

apparently we are turning into the US – your free speech ends when my hurt feelings begin.
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March 20, 2016 9:16am
stephieboy

pen twig,

who are you ?
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March 20, 2016 9:17am
Awww C-mon

MM

Was that an editorial from the Dimpost or a cut and paste from The Internet Party?? What a load of emotive BS!
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March 20, 2016 9:17am
kowtow

Griff is trying to tell us that the likes of this fellow and his family are all workinghard and supporting temselves over there.

“Benefits” goes beyond social welfare but includes education, health and other lifestyle support that the modern west provides and which these people are so desperate to take.

“A Kiwi accused of obtaining a New Zealand passport to fight in Syria will stand trial in Melbourne.

Amin Mohamed, 23, is charged with four counts of preparing to enter a foreign state to engage in hostile activities.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11376355
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March 20, 2016 9:22am
Inandout

Longknives: This chubby Herald reporter Anna Leask was still at school when the Kahui savagery was carried out. Her article is merely cut n paste.
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March 20, 2016 9:24am
pentwig

StephieTV

Just a normal person with a brain fortunately. Unlike you.
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March 20, 2016 9:24am
mikenmild

AC
You don’t agree that by pretending the women were leaving from here that the SIS and the government were stoking fears about Islamic activity in New Zealand?
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March 20, 2016 9:24am
Awww C-mon

Keeping Stock – world famous in NZ, just like a bottle of L&P

http://subzpsubzp.blogspot.co.nz/2016/03/heading-south_19.html?m=1
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March 20, 2016 9:25am
JMS

Bob Jones won’t agree with Rodney Hide’s Herald column comparing him to Donald Trump.

Jones can’t stand Trump:

http://www.facebook.com/NBROnline/videos/vb.1014138815273848/1065044163516646/?type=2&theater
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March 20, 2016 9:27am
Awww C-mon

Mike, no I don’t, but you just asked an interesting question in a logical way, that joke of an editorial has no redeeming features.
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March 20, 2016 9:27am
stephieboy

pen twig, another of the Ugly Truth paranoid inclined who think that our 50,000 Muslims and 650 Syrian refugees pose a major security threat ?
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March 20, 2016 9:29am
Inandout

stephieboy, all jihadis are Muslim, and there are burka clad women here who would jump at the chance of departing this world in a ball of flames. key just got his timing wrong, and wait another 12 months when our ‘refugees’ get settled in.
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March 20, 2016 9:29am
burt

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/78040727/scientific-report-identifies-health-and-behaviour-risks-for-kids-in-care

The government is encouraging children into these environments by making it free – are they now responsible ?

If I produced a toy ( for example ) that increased aggression and hyperactivity then I’d risk needing to provide compensation to parents …
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March 20, 2016 9:35am
mikenmild

Inandout
You think some of the Syrian refugees who have fled ISIS harbour secret desires to return to Syria and marry ISIS fighters?
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March 20, 2016 9:35am
stephieboy

The deluded Donald Trump enters the deluded Sheriff Joe Arpaio ‘s precinct ,

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/
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March 20, 2016 9:35am
burt

stephieboy

It’s Sunday, is it subjugate the wife day or is that everyday ?
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March 20, 2016 9:36am
Longknives

Inandout- Lets not forget that on the way to Hospital with their critically injured kids, the loving Kahui ‘Whanau’ took a detour to McDonalds as they were hungover..
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March 20, 2016 9:37am
peterwn

A few things about possible 2017 coalitions. Winston being ‘king maker’ is on the assumption that Greens would not support National. If National offered Greens a few minor portfolios (but ‘marked’ by a National associate minister), the Greens could well start to whistle a different tune very quickly. The Greens could strengthen its hand in any negotiations by at least flirting with National. This would empower the Greens and at the same time depower Winston. Winston will not be able to disappear for a few days after the election as he did in 1966. He would risk having a government stitched up in his absence.
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March 20, 2016 9:37am
burt

mikenmild

Don’t underestimate the power of Stockholm syndrome.
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March 20, 2016 9:37am
stephieboy

burt, not at all.Unlike an anti liberal and progressive like you I have no desire to return this country to the morality and economist of the Victorian age .
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March 20, 2016 9:40am
burt

stephieboy

the jump from Stone Age to Victorian is massive – stay where you are and enjoy the right to rape and murder in the name of your sky fairy.
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March 20, 2016 9:42am
NK

@dime – my thoughts entirely. The fact that Cabinet ministers from the National Party have spent weeks on this makes me extremely embarrassed is just laughable.

I really, really, really, really want Wicked Campers to put this on one of their vans:

“Paula Bennett has a big bum. Even bigger than her mouth”.

Then let’s see the hierarchy respond like North Korea would.
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March 20, 2016 9:44am
kowtow

“At the local level here in NZ – How ?”

I’d speculate they’re as happy here to remain on benefits as they are in Denmark. But we’d never get that level of investigative reporting……racist you see.

“Of all totally dependent families in Denmark, married couples where both partners are on social assistance — state benefits — some 84 per cent are “non-Western origin” migrants. In total, a third of all cash paid out in benefits every month goes to these non-Western migrants in Denmark, according to the latest figures obtained by Ekstra Bladet.

These figures might be considered especially high, as among Denmark’s working age population non-Western migrants make up just eight per cent of residents. The paper reports experts agree the phenomenon of a minority group of eight per cent of the population making up such a significant part of the claimant count, and concede it is a “large and especially expensive problem”.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/danes_work_to_keep_immigrants_in_welfare/
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March 20, 2016 9:46am
RF

Sitting up in the sunny north one has time to relect on our countries youth problem. From what I can see those gansta molls who get a buzz when fleeing from the Police in stolen cars appear to be some of our special people. Maybe they should revert back to their traditional method of transport such as a horse or even a Moa. If these stupid bitches want to kill themselves that’s ok with me. It’s the innocent people I worry about.
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March 20, 2016 9:46am
stephieboy

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burt, re Stocholm Syndrome . Again unlike you and other paranoid and hystericical Muslim Bashers many of us choose not be hostage to fear,ignorance and stupidity !
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March 20, 2016 9:49am
stephieboy

kowtow, just focus on the evidence and facts and not claims by Australian and other tabloids like the Daily Mail .
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March 20, 2016 9:52am
Inandout

Longknives – I have had some experience dealing with the nethermost of Maori culture, such as the Kahui clan. It is difficult to make comparisons, and without demeaning our pet dogs, their lives are similar. They wake in the morning (drugged often) and make for their food bowls, first in first served, and usually the adults feed first. Babies will be left in dirty nappies until the mother comes round and has her first smoke, and often for much longer leaving room for serious nappy rash. The food cupboards are generally bare but TAB tickets, coke, booze bottles and fast food packets litter the kitchen and back door area.

In a ‘P’ house expect a much worse scene.

And welfare feeds these arseholes, no questions asked.
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March 20, 2016 9:53am
Viking2

dime (12,515 comments) says:
March 20th, 2016 at 9:16 am

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11608638

what a pathetic lead story.

camper vans with slogans. apparently they are “100% offensive”.

the first example – “Big legged women ain’t got not soul,”. apparently this Led Zep lyric is “100% offensive” lmao

“”My first thought was ‘f*** that’s offensive’,” she says. She snapped an image of it, did her shopping and left. “I just got angrier and angrier.”

what other examples are their Dime? just how offensive are they????

“your thighs wont touch if my heads between them” – my goodness. Dime wont sleep tonight.

or this one

“drink till shes pretty” – quite possibly the most offensive thing ever.

lucky for us dot coms fuck boy david fisher is all over it and its on the front page.

paula “i know you beat someone half to death with a piece of fence paling but you can stay at my house” bennett is also all over it.

“Bennett: “I’m determined to do something about it.”” – the fuck?? in her capacity as what?

“All across Wellington this month, officials have been studying legislation and looking for traction.” – this is the only thing in the article that is actually offensive.

apparently we are turning into the US – your free speech ends when my hurt feelings begin.
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dime, you know what’s offensive.
A National Cabinet Minister setting out to sensor what others say think or do.

AKA Freedom of speech.

We did still have most of it last time I looked.

If she is angry then she needs a Councillor to sort her issues.
Personally I either laugh or ignore shit like that.

Still I’m past being a sensitive soul.
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March 20, 2016 9:53am
UglyTruth

This one’s for Kiwiblog’s liars guild, Nostradamus ans Aww Cmon.

The video briefly mentions an exercise that was running for 9/11 NY and the describes an exercise that was to run on the same day as the Sandy Hook Event.

https://youtu.be/qIpRvN4NZ7Q

Another example of a concurrent exercise was 7/7 London (Peter Power of Visor Consulting was interviewed about this).
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March 20, 2016 10:00am
Captain Mainwaring

So apparently the stone-agers are going to court to try and overturn the Kermadec sanctuary.
“We are conservationists (haha), but we weren’t consulted”.
Fuck me gently. Were the Chinese consulted? Were the left handed deaf lesbians consulted? Were the Tongans consulted (their country is closer to the Kermadecs than anywhere else)?
Would they be able to afford to go to court if they hadn’t been dished out so much money in recent years?
It is bullshit, and it has to stop.
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March 20, 2016 10:01am
mikenmild

Hi Ugly
Have there been any terrorist attacks this century that were not ‘false flags’?
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March 20, 2016 10:02am
UglyTruth

IRA
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March 20, 2016 10:04am
burt

Stephieboy

I think you Muslim men might not be hostage to fear and stupidity but Muslim woman… That’s the way they live and you Muslim men demand it be so.
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March 20, 2016 10:06am
Longknives

Enjoy it now before the Left ban it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tlSx0jkuLM
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March 20, 2016 10:11am
flipper

I do not agree with all the presumptions and conclusions in this piece, but it is at the very least, a serious analysis and a laudable attempt to enlighten those of us far from the front. It is well worth reading, considering and then reacting. Sometimes I wonder whether some writing here on KB are the FASTEST speed readers the world has seen, such is their immediate reaction.

http://www.nysun.com/national/frontlash-for-trump-is-outpacing-backlach-as/89500/

Oh, apropos Robert Eric Jones, as one who has known Bob for more than 40 years, who has dined him in my home, and who has dined at his table, I would not take too much notice of what he writes on Trump. He has, after all, made similar observations on people like Ron Brierley, Bruce Judge (they were horribly correct), Douglas Myers, Michael Fay, Frank Renouf, David Richwhite et al.
And as for Bob being overtly Labour, he must be the only Labour supporter who displays a large portrait of M J Savage (you know, the circa 1939 one his disciples drool over) in his powder room lavatory.

These days Bob listens to himself, and only his views are taken seriously by him.
For the past 20 years, Bob has been taken with a large dose of salt. More correctly a very large glass (or three) of quaity Cabernet. 🙂
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March 20, 2016 10:13am
wiseowl

Of course you are right Captain.
Who allows this BS to continue?

Read a book recently about late 1800 early 1900 and odd reference to Maori at the time and there is no way they were conservationists. More likely trying to survive and plundering any resource to do so.
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March 20, 2016 10:19am
Jack5

Maori Fishing Trust tries to torpedo the huge Kermadec fish sanctuary.

What will the Greens do? Which way will Metiria Turei and Deluded Delahunty jump?

Still it’s time for some light to be put on Maori quota owners’ lease of fishing rights to foreign ships using slave labour – and slave in the true sense of the form.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/78060924/maori-fisheries-trust-takes-crown-to-high-court-over-kermadec-ocean-sanctuary
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March 20, 2016 10:20am
dime

Longknives – maybe they should add some quotes from this on their vans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whSpN2DVkyw
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March 20, 2016 10:22am
stephieboy

Ugly Truth , and don’t forget the 9/11 19 hijackers including those WTC hot spots etc . !

BTW , do view the redacted police dash cam video ( posted last night ) that does show young children leaving the elementary school car park contrary to Sandy Hook Truthers false claims .
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March 20, 2016 10:25am
Jack5

One of the Stephiepeople from the “Stephieboy” Muslim syndicate posted at 8.56 about the NZ jihadi brides:

… no New Zealand “Jihadi bride”, first mentioned in a select committee late last year, had left this country.

More Islamic propaganda.

The jihadi brides mentioned were NZ citizens or residency-holders who left from Australia. So they were certainly NZ jihadi brides. Stop trying to twist the truth, Stephiepeople.

Why should we take Muslims into NZ to feed and nurture them on taxpayer money when some of them or some of their children may go overseas to terrorise, enslave, and murder Christians and other non-Muslims?
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March 20, 2016 10:28am
Jack5

Clearly there’s a full team on duty at the “Stephieboy” office today.

Have reinforcements arrived from Stephiestan?

How are the Stephiestanis going in the 40’s cricket?
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March 20, 2016 10:30am
Jack5

No quick response from the Stephiestanis.

C’mon guys and gals! Whack them while they’re banging their foreheads on the mats in morning prayers.
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March 20, 2016 10:33am
Jack5

Some quick downticks! So the cousins have arrived from Stephiestan! You will need a bigger “Stephieboy” office quite quickly.

Glad you got the student visas sorted out. Be careful if anyone offers you driver’s licences, though.

By the way, when I said “whack” in my 10.33 post, I meant the sort of whack that is with a rolled up newspaper – not your ISIS style whack.
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March 20, 2016 10:38am
kowtow

Times certainly have changed.

Once upon a time there ws a generally accepted concept of good manners , decency and taste. Commercial concerns particularly wanted to protect their own image , now it seems anything goes.

One van I saw recently had emblazoned across it ,something to the tune of “It sucks when your girlfriend doesn’t”

Now kowtow believes there is a time and place for most things , but that sort of shit on a commercial vehicle on a public road is not right, it is downright rude . Do we need a law against it, no ,but it shouldn’t be necessary to legislate against bad manners and the company should do the right thing.

BTW the company are a bunch of ignorant c#nts anyway , renting out vans on the cheap to cheap fuckers who they know are going to shit all over the countryside on the cheap.
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March 20, 2016 10:49am
Captain Mainwaring

Isn’t it interesting how the lefty losers (who are here all the time because they’ve got nothing else to do) get their downticks in early before they are overwhelmed by the upticks from the normal people who only pop in here occasionally between productive pursuits?
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March 20, 2016 10:52am
kowtow

“Parts of that property can not now be walked on because they are so covered in human shit,”

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/queenstown-lakes/376833/camp-site-refugee-camp
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March 20, 2016 10:54am
Paulus

I do not think it is the current family refugees that will cause trouble – it will be their offspring and younger members of their large extended family who will arrive shortly after.

Remember Zaoui apparently brought in 18 relatives.

Surely Sydney is a good example of the next generations of young unemployed Lebanese males -hereby lies the tale to watch.

The next generation will not have a job – or want one as the taxpayer will provide.

I understand that the young Somali (ex Tampa families) male immigrant offspring in Hamilton are unemployed and do not want to be as they are happy to survive on the state handout – it is better than they could get with a low paying job, for which they are ill educated at best anyway.

Why work when you can do better on the state.
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March 20, 2016 10:57am
Jack5

Zaoui got the green light to stay in NZ when the MSM got in behind the Leftists who were agitating to have him given permission to stay in the country. Even some entertainers chimed in. Remember the amateurish ditty, Welcome Home, notable only for its tiny, wailing riff?

The Zaoui supporters are the same rabid bunch who argue NZ should open its doors to thousands and thousands of Muslim refugee/migrants.

Zaoui was a political candidate in Algeria for the Islamic National Front. Earlier he studied in Saudi Arabia. On the run, Belgium seems to have kept him under street arrest and it is alleged he continued his political activities when a refugee in Malaysia.

Zaoui’s dubious record can be read at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Zaoui
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March 20, 2016 11:08am
calendar girl

Re Andrew Little’s comments about too many immigrant chefs.

Was Little channeling comments a few months back by George Osborne, UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, or did he take his lead from the incomparable Rowan Atkinson?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRBDue9nJYs
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March 20, 2016 11:09am
stephieboy

Jackie 5 , I guess I can’t control your deluded and “whack ” postings but at least try and sort out your facts for once .Shia Muslims have been and still are ISIS targets for their atrocities ,just as much as Christians and Yazdis .

Fact !
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March 20, 2016 11:13am
Jack5

Stephieboy at 11.13…

So the Stephiestanis ARE getting thrashed in the 40s cricket.
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March 20, 2016 11:15am
UglyTruth

BTW , do view the redacted police dash cam video ( posted last night ) that does show young children leaving the elementary school car park contrary to Sandy Hook Truthers false claims .

According to The Daily Mail there were 575 children enrolled at the time of the reported shootings. I haven’t seen all the cruiser video, but whan I have seen leaves me highly skeptical that the redactions were long enough for in excess of 500 children.

IMO the telling point is that there was an exercise running in Conneticut that day targeting “the needs of children”. Concurrent exercises also existed for 9/11 NY, 7/7 London, and the Boston Bombing.
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March 20, 2016 11:20am
Liberty

“A few things about possible 2017 coalitions”
Winston (nzs Trump) is not going to be king maker. Simply because the coalition of losers hate each. Sure labour and NZF have a lot in common with their dislike of the Chinese. Both treat the greens with contempt.
For the pinko media to claim they could all form a government and live as one
big happy family is laughable. Then there is Labours problem. The current largest party in this coalition. Is in disarray. Their current union appointed leader is a bit of Joke. Most of his minions were crew on the Ark. The rest are inept.
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March 20, 2016 11:21am
ChardonnayGuy

Guido Westerwalle, former leader of the Free Democrat Party and Vice Chancellor of Germany, is dead at 54

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35842927
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March 20, 2016 11:24am
mandk

Picking up on what Sir Cullen said earlier, it is very difficult to see how Labour, the Greens and Winston First could overcome their mutual loathing and form a government.

Even if they could do so in principle, the stumbling blocks around who would get what in, say, a 25%, 12.5%, 12.5% voter split would be virtually insurmountable.

It is often assumed that Winston First would be the king maker, but I think the Greens could equally play that role. I have long thought that it would make sense for the Greens to return to their environmentalist roots, move to the right of Labour and attract votes for both Labour and National by adopting a centrist green capitalist approach. After all, there is no green virtue in socialism.
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March 20, 2016 11:45am
JMS

Governments love people like you Ugly,

You bark up all the wrong trees. Not paying you are they?
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March 20, 2016 11:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

Some folks are taking the piss about climate change. Last week it was smurphs. Today (international happiness day) the United nations announces an angry bird (red) is their new climate change ambassador.
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March 20, 2016 11:54am
Manolo

The intolerant Left: http://www.theamericanmirror.com/shock-video-protester-beheads-trump-effigy/

Leftists are escalating their violent tactics against Republican front runner Donald Trump by beheading a Trump effigy look-alike in the streets of Salt Lake City.
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March 20, 2016 11:55am
UglyTruth

You bark up all the wrong trees.

Only if you’re interested in covering up the corruption.
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March 20, 2016 12:02pm
JMS

Only if you’re interested in covering up the corruption.

By barking up all the wrong trees, your types distract from the real corruption out there. While governments worldwide are dreaming up new taxes, regulations and restrictions, you’re barking on about 9/11 etc.

Your types are a dream come true to the elites.
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March 20, 2016 12:14pm
UglyTruth

If you’re really interested in government corruptiion, try this:

http://www.actsinjunction.info/home.html

or this:

http://www.actsinjunction.info/corruption.html
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March 20, 2016 12:29pm
Jack5

If Trump wins the Presidency in America, maybe he will send SEALs to snatch Zaoui and resettle him at Guantanamo.

Incidentally, a Trump win might make NZ relieved that it got its new ambassador to the US settled in before a Trump entry ban on Muslims.

In the meantime, from Wikipedia, here are the main reasons NZ’s SIS eventually removed (in September 2007) the security risk certificate it had on Zaoui:

1. Zaoui’s cooperation in providing information to the authorities.

2. Additional classified information which showed that his associates were involved in terrorism, but not Zaoui himself.

3. The length of time he has been in New Zealand, and the length of time which has passed from the offences he was convicted of.

Zaoui commented that “the whole system of security risk certificates can now be reviewed”.

Presumably that would mean NZ would lower its barriers to terrorism suspects. Let’s hope they weren’t lowered.
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March 20, 2016 12:29pm
Manolo

The Messiah is a good comedian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMwfr_6sL20
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March 20, 2016 12:31pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth , the local police had to travel some distance and therefore took some time to reach the elementary school so it is highly likely that most of the children were already evacuated .However it’s indisputable that children can be see in the left quarter frame leaving the school car park .
Drills and emergency exercises of diverse kinds are always occouring in today’s modern societies especially given the heightened awareness and threat of terrorism .Children are of course especially vulnerable in any civil emergency so it’s no surprise that one like that should occour .My understanding it was more in the form of a paper admistrative exercise .It ‘s what’s called a coincidence .
However it’s not worth taking this much further until Sandy Hook Truthers like you can plausibly account for the missing children and teachers such as mother Scarlett Lewis so movingly discusses in her book. A book that demented so called Truthers disgustingly attempted to Trash at Amazon.com .
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March 20, 2016 12:38pm
mikenmild

I think you might be flogging a dead horse about the Zaoui case, Jack.
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March 20, 2016 12:39pm
Liberty

Manolo
The Trump issue is not a left/right argument .
It has more to with inflaming intolerant bigots.
Winston has been doing it for years. Knowing that he only needs to suck in 5%
Labour desperate for some rise in the polls have been trying the same grubby
tactic.
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March 20, 2016 12:42pm
stephieboy

Jack up is not only proverbially flogging a dead horse but will likely be requesting the ISIS to eavesdrop an an alledged communications bunker that Zaoui is operating to orchestrate ISIS attacks here.

Such is the heavy price Jack up is prepared to pay for his paranoia and stupidity !
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March 20, 2016 12:47pm
UglyTruth

Ugly Truth , the local police had to travel some distance and therefore took some time to reach the elementary school so it is highly likely that most of the children were already evacuated .

No, according to the police documentation they were evacuated after the police arrived.

Drills and emergency exercises of diverse kinds are always occouring in today’s modern societies…

Not all the time they’re not. For exercises to occur for the same time, same place, and same scenario as actual events defies pure chance.

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html

POWER: …at half-past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for, er, over, a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing upright!

PETER ALLEN: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was, er, about half-past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don’t want to reveal their name but they’re listening and they’ll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they’d met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision, ‘this is the real one’ and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from ‘slow time’ to ‘quick time’ thinking and so on.
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March 20, 2016 12:49pm
stephieboy

“…the ISIS ” should. of ourse read SIS !
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March 20, 2016 12:49pm
Jack5

Milky posted at 12.39:

I think you might be flogging a dead horse about the Zaoui case, Jack.

The Leftists who campaigned for Zaoui to stay in NZ are still here, Milky. You weren’t one of them were you?

Meanwhile, one of the Stephiepeople’s posts at 12.40 included:

Such is the heavy price Jack up is prepared to pay for his paranoia and stupidity !

The Stephiestanis have one of the newbies fresh off the plane on Kiwiblog duty today.
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March 20, 2016 12:55pm
mikenmild

Jack
I was initially quite confident that Zaoui was a dubious character, and that the SIS probably had good reasons to want him gone. So I was a bit disappointed when we eventually learnt that the case against him was a crock of shit.
It points to a continuing problem with security agencies: by their nature they have to retain a high degree of secrecy, but with that secrecy often comes incompetence and a lack of accountability.
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March 20, 2016 1:06pm
wiseowl

Anyone caught Diamond and Silk on Wattersworld?

priceless!

Great campaign with Ditch and Switch.
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March 20, 2016 1:19pm
Jack5

Milky, your 1.06 comment as follows is absolute rubbish:

… we eventually learnt that the case against him was a crock of shit.

You are deluded by your Leftism, Milky.

This, from Wikipedia:

In 1991, Algeria held its first multiparty elections since independence. Ahmed Zaoui stood as a candidate for the Islamic Salvation Front (Front Islamique du Salut or FIS). However, the government cancelled 1991 elections after the first round results showed that the FIS would win, citing fears that the Islamist party would end democracy. When the government then banned the FIS and arrested thousands of its members, Islamist guerrillas rapidly emerged and began an armed campaign against the government and its supporters which became the Algerian Civil War.

In 1993, Zaoui fled to Europe. He was tried and convicted in absentia by the Algerian government and was convicted of “establishing a terrorist organisation to destabilise state institutions and terrorise the population” and for “plotting against the state, criminal conspiracy, inciting armed rebellion and assassinations and destruction of property” in May 1996, and February 1997, respectively. Both convictions carry sentences of life imprisonment.[3] Disputing the reports from Interpol as incomplete, Zaoui claimed and the RSAA found that there were six life sentences against him, as well as two death sentences.[4] Human rights groups have criticised the Algerian trials for contravening basic norms of justice.[5]

In March 1994, Belgium charged him with being “the instigator or the head of a criminal organisation” and two charges of using false passports. He was acquitted at his first trial but was convicted on appeal and received a four-year suspended sentence.[6]

While still under a Belgian home detention order which limited his movements to the street he lived on, he travelled illegally to Switzerland. The Swiss authorities refused his request for asylum due to his ongoing political activities, and made a deal with Burkina Faso to deport Zaoui and his family there, while still providing Zaoui with a 1500 Swiss franc monthly allowance

For the full story:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Zaoui
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March 20, 2016 1:24pm
tom hunter

Every Saturday for the last few years, I’ve watched a streamed copy of the Friday night PBS Newshour from the USA, in particular because of the political section involving Mark Shields (“left”) and the more well-known NYT columist, David Brooks (“right”).

I’ve done this is spite of the fact that Shields and Brooks never really disagree about anything, but simply add different views of the same topic, and despite the fact that Brooks has been descending in the opinions of a lot of other right-wing commetators for some years, before dropping completely into the category of “laughable” following his infamous “sharp creased trousers” column about Obama in 2008.

But the time has come for even Brooks to deliver some huge mea culpas following eight months of false predictions about the rise of Trump. This mea culpa has come courtesy of his regular NYT column and I’ve not had a chance to see if he repeats it on PBS Newshour:

The question is: Should deference be paid to this victor [Trump and Trumpism]? Should we bow down to the judgment of these voters?

Well, some respect is in order. Trump voters are a coalition of the dispossessed. They have suffered lost jobs, lost wages, lost dreams. The American system is not working for them, so naturally they are looking for something else.

Moreover, many in the media, especially me, did not understand how they would express their alienation. We expected Trump to fizzle because we were not socially intermingled with his supporters and did not listen carefully enough. For me, it’s a lesson that I have to change the way I do my job if I’m going to report accurately on this country.

My, how humbling. Unfortunately Brooks, even in this moment of self reflection, still misses the point, which is served up to him by Ace of Spades (who is no friend of Trump):

Why don’t you just admit you expected Your Lessers to obey your pronouncements because of your self-evident superiority? *

And perhaps contemplate that it is precisely this attitude — the sneering contempt for anyone outside your small, unimaginative, well-educated-but-unimaginative drone class — is precisely what has caused this class to lose all of its (unearned) authority?
…
* BTW, asshole, you don’t have to “socially mingle” with anybody. People do not need to “socially mingle” with other people to know what the news is. They just have to buy a newspaper.

Who the hell has time to “socially mingle” even with one’s friends enough, let alone strangers, for purely interview/focus group purposes?

What you assholes need to do is let your intellects occasionally wander off the well-worn paths you’ve been treading down for 60 years. You just need to read someone who disagrees with you occasionally.

These fools live in a bubble completely insulated from popular thought but then presume to tell the nation what it really thinks.

Note that even David Brooks’ pronouncement that he needs to “socially mingle” with his lessers is just a regurgitation of another old idea he had — that the someone should set up programs to let The Elite go on camping trips with those of the lower orders, to facilitate such “social mingling.”

Or, as I like to say: David Brooks demands that a government program be set up which can introduce him to his doorman.

Law professor, Glenn Reynolds, also takes this moment for a solid swipe at Brooks – and his peers:

THERE’S SOMETHING GOING ON HERE, BUT YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS, DO YOU, MR. BROOKS?

Well, David, you should get out more. You might also try reading InstaPundit regularly. But mostly, you owe a bigger apology than this.

The Tea Party movement — which you also failed to understand, and thus mostly despised — was a bourgeois, well-mannered effort (remember how Tea Party protests left the Mall cleaner than before they arrived?) to fix America. It was treated with contempt, smeared as racist, and blocked by a bipartisan coalition of business-as-usual elites. So now you have Trump, who’s not so well-mannered, and his followers, who are not so well-mannered, and you don’t like it

If PBS had a fucking clue themselves they’d have “Ace” or Reynolds on every Friday to give a “right-wing” view opposite the 78 year old Shields – but that might result in angry progressives switching off the TV.

After all, we can’t have too much disagreement, now can we? It would not be polite.
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March 20, 2016 1:29pm
kowtow

As I recall it part of the deal to allow Ahmed Z to stay in Aotearoa formerly New Zealand was he agreed to give up his contacts with overseas Islamists .

So if I recall correctly he did have dubious ongoing contacts with undesirables but agreed to drop them.

Hardly a resounding character reference.

I am open to correction.
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March 20, 2016 1:31pm
stephieboy

In the first instance there was no ” Everyone must check in FEMA drill ” sign put up put up on the day of the massacre . One was put up on the 15th a day after the massacre and it’s common to have a forward command centre as is the case in major civil emergencies of this kind ,

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-everyone-must-check-in-sign-evidence-of-fema-drill.t6933/#post-172225

The following link shows that the alleged FEMA drill 26 miles away was in fact a class and also did not involve rise actors ,

http://training.fema.gov/is/courseoverview.aspx?code=IS-366.a

Much more here,

https://www.metabunk.org/drills-on-the-same-day-as-terrorist-attacks.t2094/

And of course the testimony of Scarlett Lewis and other parents who lost their children cold bloodily at the hands of Adam Lanza and his A 15,

Nurturing Healing Love: A Mother’s Journey of Hope and Forgiveness

http://www.amazon.com/Nurturing-Healing-Love-Mothers-Forgiveness/dp/1401945864

The subject of a despicable and cowardly attacks by Sandy Hook Truthers.

Again kindly account for the death ,from gunshot wounds ,of her son Jesse on the 14th December at Sandy Hook elementary school And f f course the other 19 children and 6 teachers also ?
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March 20, 2016 1:35pm
Jack5

The RSAA which you will find in the Wikipedia link in my 1.24 post about Zaoui, and which reached contrary findings about the sentences imposed on Zaoui by the Algerian Government, was as follows.

The New Zealand Refugee Status Appeals Authority or RSAA, was an independent authority that heard the appeals of people who had been declined refugee status by the Refugee Status Branch of the New Zealand Immigration Service. It was replaced by the Immigration and Protection Tribunal in 2010.

The RSAA had 24 members, all practising lawyers or retired judges.
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March 20, 2016 1:41pm
Than

Time for an apology also from our local Muslim bashers on KB ,whale oil and elsewhere ,

No apology is merited.

There were Kiwi’s travelling to ISIS territory with the intent of marrying – jihadi brides. That was the claim, the new information backs that up. The fact that they departed from Australia makes utterly no difference.
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