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Reid

The only people who think the Catholic Church knows anything about religion are people who understand neither.
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March 13, 2016 7:54pm
Nostradamus

Spoken like a true Anglican, Reid!

Reid (20,530 comments) says:
April 19th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
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Perhaps to make it easier for you, you might want to ask me why I’m an Anglican given that it’s a clone of Catholicism, and if Catholicism is bad then how come Anglicans are OK?

Nasska would say that Catholicism and Anglicanism are equally bad.
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March 13, 2016 7:57pm
nasska

….”Are you suggesting that we should use acts of God to assess whether we’ve got an acceptable balance between teachers’ unions and the Catholic Church”….

That would be to suppose that I believe in a god Nostra.

I’ll stick to temporal assessments of the various creeps.
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March 13, 2016 8:00pm
Reid

Spoken like a true Anglican, Reid!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk

I’ll stick to temporal assessments of the various creeps.

Ever considered nasska that’s where it’s gone wrong?

Evil exists on only one of the two planes mate.

Not rocket science, is it.
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March 13, 2016 8:02pm
Tauhei Notts

I have been chatting to several people, all right voting people, and the impression that I get is that we might get a new flag. I have detected an undercurrent of voters for the new flag.
That disappoints me.
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March 13, 2016 8:02pm
nasska

….”That disappoints me.”…..

I agree Tauhei….there’s bugger all wrong with the one we’ve got.

If something is not fucked then it doesn’t need fixing!
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March 13, 2016 8:05pm
EAD

@ Reid,

I see yesterday that various sheeple were crowing with victory that Pike’s letter to Mazzini had been “debunked”?

“Debunked” like the Protocols of Zion. ….but debunked by whom, it is fair to ask. Strange though is it not that these “debunked” documents turn out to be so chillingly accurate?

Is it possible that there are higher powers running our political systems (and, more significantly, our financial system) over and above those who purport to represent the us and that these are the people setting the agenda and “debunking” those who stumble across evidence of their activities?

https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2016/03/09/world-war-iii-is-imminent-and-most-sheeple-have-absolutely-no-idea-nor-are-prepared-for-its-consequences.html

Basically, the elites managing these serial disasters won’t be satisfied until the current global depression has been deepened and the groundwork for World War III has been laid leading to a clamoring for a one world tyrannical government. Cashlessness and negative interest rates are new trends aggravating the growing economic disaster……..

But today there is none of that, probably because any time the West’s lying officialdom tries to build some sort of phony historical narrative, it backfires.

They tried to make Syria’s Assad into a kind of mini neo-Hitler but nobody believes that anymore. They tried to pretend that Assad was so hated that his own people wanted him to leave. But instead the Western sponsored “terrorists” are the ones that are hated for all their beheadings and the poison gas that THEY use and then try to blame on Syria.

Most importantly, Russia made sure the truth got out about the “terrorists,” when the Russian bombing campaign began to take place. At the time, Russian generals used both their huge RT media complex and Western media to explain Washington was behind both sets of terrorists, ISIS on the one hand and the “good” terrorists on the other.

Except the good terrorists really don’t exist. They were just a pretext to allow Washington to drop supplies and weapons to places where the “bad terrorists” actually function. Likewise, Washington used the “bad terrorist” threat it had created to justify bombing. But all the bombing was actually aimed at destroying Syrian infrastructure.

Syria remains the target. Washington and the West’s elites in general want to blow Syria to smithereens and then to ensure that the chaos spreads to the rest of the Middle East and finally beyond the borders to the world at large.

Chaos is what is wanted. Enough chaos to make billions miserable and starvation imminent. Only then can internationalism succeed on the scale that the elites desire
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March 13, 2016 8:09pm
nasska

But it exists within both planes Reid & that is where the problem lies. It is actually much harder to root out of a religious sect because the hierarchy use their control over the minds of the faithful as a defense.

The parent’s natural cynicism & desire to do well for their offspring is compromised. This is why any clergy who fail are the lowest of the low.
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March 13, 2016 8:11pm
renderer

Oh dear the Auckland Mayoral candidate was arrested for trespass at the Pasifika Festival in Western Springs. Seems she was wearing her John Key face masks there uninvited.
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March 13, 2016 8:16pm
EAD

Another one that the sheeple argue has been “debunked” despite the evidence all around us – the 11 point Frankfurt school plan to destroy the West:

A reminder if the Frankfurt school plans 11 points:

1. The creation of racism offences.

2. Continual change to create confusion

3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children

4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority

5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.

6. The promotion of excessive drinking

7. Emptying of churches

8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime

9. Creating dependency on the state or state benefits

10. Control and dumbing down of media

11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

http://henrymakow.com/frankfurt-school-satanic-judaism-in-action.html
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March 13, 2016 8:21pm
Reid

Is it possible that there are higher powers running our political systems (and, more significantly, our financial system) over and above those who purport to represent the us and that these are the people setting the agenda and “debunking” those who stumble across evidence of their activities?

Fuck no EAD.

I mean just look at building 7. Everyone knows that fell down because of jet fuel, the Pentagram collapsed as a result of a 757 despite ground-effects physics rendering the radar-verified flight path impossible for a 757 not to mention the testimony of hundreds of 757 pilots, the towers collapsed through the path of most resistance at the speed of freefall demolishing millions of tons of high-tensile steel on the way and turning most of itself into fine dust all of which is impossible due to known physics but thanks to the debunkers we were all able to learn the “truth.” And on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and we’ve learn’t all those things thanks to the heroic debunkers who valiantly defeat these dreadful people who evidently hate our freedom by spreading palpable childish lies based on such evident shit as Newtonian physics. I mean, pah! We spit on physics! WTF is silly ole physics, anyway.

I mean if we believed physics, we’d have to believe that we’re not living in a democratic paradise, where everyone is equal and the people’s say goes, and that’s just unthinkable, so we’re certainly not about to engage in any fucking bullshit that threatens that, are we, at all, ever, so there.

No matter how much scientific sense it makes.
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March 13, 2016 8:22pm
SGA

EAD at 8:21 pm

Another one that the sheeple argue has been “debunked” despite the evidence all around us – the 11 point Frankfurt school plan to destroy the West.

Oh dear, you guys aren’t going to trot this relatively recent creation out again, are you?
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March 13, 2016 8:24pm
Kimbo

Hmm. just logged on to Kiwiblog and see the tag-team of EAD and Reid have posted side-bu-side. Why am I not surprised at the result?
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March 13, 2016 8:25pm
SGA

@Reid at 8:22 pm
lol – is that blogosphere equivalent of frothing at the mouth 🙂
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March 13, 2016 8:26pm
Reid

I see yesterday that various sheeple were crowing with victory that Pike’s letter to Mazzini had been “debunked”?

Were they. I didn’t check back yesterday after I dropped the mildly interesting fact an MSM site had cited it after all these years, but one assumes the morons got all excited because it was the first time they’d ever heard of it so it quite frightened them and like all children they need to destroy things that so do so they tug on their parents draw-strings, in this case, google, and take the first explanation granted that their childish minds can relate to.

At bit like when I heard a parent offering his five-year-old the explanation that stars were the lights of heaven shining through, because he knew the child wouldn’t understand thermo-nuclear physics.

Sometimes kindness isn’t kind when you’re talking to adults, but we do need to remember don’t we EAD that many of the minds we talk to here aren’t of that calibre. I wish google would.
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March 13, 2016 8:35pm
Reid

But it exists within both planes Reid

To which planes are you referring nasska, they don’t sound like the same two to which I was.
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March 13, 2016 8:38pm
nasska

….”I heard a parent offering his five-year-old the explanation that stars were the lights of heaven shining through, because he knew the child wouldn’t understand themo-nuclear physics”….

Even at the tender age of five many of us would have found themo-nuclear physics a walk in the park compared with bending our minds around Heaven & Sky Daddy! 🙂
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March 13, 2016 8:42pm
nasska

….”To which planes are you referring nasska, they don’t sound like the same two to which I was.”….

The solid earth type one & the imaginary one in the sky Reid. And the ethereal one’s earthly representatives.
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March 13, 2016 8:44pm
Reid

Even at the tender age of five many of us would find themo-nuclear physics a walk in the park compared with bending our minds around Heaven & Sky Daddy!

Again you betray your ignorance my friend for you don’t seem to realise one is built into our DNA and merely needs awareness of it to be built whereas the other is a phenomena of the world that needs to be learned.
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March 13, 2016 8:45pm
nasska

But one is real & the other is pretend Reid!
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March 13, 2016 8:49pm
Captain Mainwaring

Shit Reid, you’re really a bit unusual aren’t you?
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March 13, 2016 8:49pm
Reid

Shit Reid, you’re really a bit unusual aren’t you?

Not at all Captain. I simply call it as I see it.

I’ve noticed you do the same.

I suspect we’re also similar in that if we think something needs saying even if it’s upsetting then fuck it, it needs saying.

Right?

So what’s unusual about that?
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March 13, 2016 8:58pm
Rachael Membery

Tauhei Notts (2,185 comments) says:

March 13th, 2016 at 8:02 pm

Perhaps it has become politicized and is now right v left and it is now support for John Key.
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March 13, 2016 9:00pm
Captain Mainwaring

“So what’s unusual about that?”
The mindless repetition of two short words.
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March 13, 2016 9:03pm
Viking2

http://fusion.net/story/46023/how-legal-weed-could-change-the-future-of-sex/

Weed’s got a dirty little secret: It holds the power to transform our sex lives.

Our ancient ancestors believed it (hello, tantric sex rituals), researchers in the 70s and 80s tried to prove it, and today, savvy “potrepreneurs” are attempting to capitalize on it. Cannabis-laced lube is only the beginning.

What can pot do in bed? With the right strain and dosage, it can slooow down time, making every touch feel more intense, every kiss more passionate. For some people with sexual dysfunctions, it can make the unreachable reachable. And as with medical marijuana, those who stand to benefit extend beyond, say, whoever’s signing up for that new dating app for pot lovers.

http://fusion.net/story/273264/weed-cannabis-women-sex/
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March 13, 2016 9:04pm
Awww C-mon

Capt, the on and on and on bit was the only part I understood!

I enjoy Reid’s posts, but yeah the guy is totally cray cray ???
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March 13, 2016 9:07pm
nasska

Ask around & see if they need any more lab rats V2.

I may be able to help. 🙂
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March 13, 2016 9:07pm
nasska

….”the guy is totally cray cray”…..

And anyway….he’s ours! 🙂
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March 13, 2016 9:10pm
Captain Mainwaring

How fantastic it was to be able to watch the NZ Golf Open at the Hills course at Arrowtown over the weekend. Stunning scenery beamed to the world, a huge contingent of Australian and Japanese golfers competing (who will be telling all their mates what a great place it is for golf and other things), and not to mention the PM playing in the pro-am against Ricky Ponting who told us what a great bloke JK is.
It doesn’t get much better than this.
(Or worse, in the eyes of Angry Andy and his depressionist hangers-on).
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March 13, 2016 9:11pm
Reid

The mindless repetition of two short words.

That was an allusion to the debunker tactic which goes on and on etc with a certain spin on an aspect to the story and it parodies the Goebbels playbook in how he turned the best educated population in Europe against its own neightbours.

Same tactics, PRECISELY the same tactics, just different time, different place.

That was what the “mindless repetition” was alluding to.
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March 13, 2016 9:13pm
stephieboy

Reid,

“Again you betray your ignorance my friend for you don’t seem to realise one is built into our DNA and merely needs awareness of it to be built whereas the other is a phenomena of the world that needs to be learned

Is this pathway that leads you into the weird world of the Illuminati and your other kinds of crazy conspiracy theories ?
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March 13, 2016 9:14pm
Captain Mainwaring

Awww C-mon:
Only 2 to go and you’ve caught up to me (3 now).
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March 13, 2016 9:20pm
Sponge

Stunning scenery beamed to the world, a huge contingent of Australian and Japanese golfers competing (who will be telling all their mates what a great place it is for golf and other things), and not to mention the PM playing in the pro-am against Ricky Ponting who told us what a great bloke JK is.
It doesn’t get much better than this.

And Andy Little is biffing jandals around like a poof. Christ what a failure he is.
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March 13, 2016 9:36pm
Reid

And Andy Little is biffing jandals around like a poof. Christ what a failure he is.

Maybe he’s been taking lessons from Obongo.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1304&bih=707&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=obama+girly+man&oq=obama+girly+man&gs_l=img.3…38465.43173.0.43554.16.16.0.0.0.0.686.1432.2-3j5-1.4.0….0…1c.1.64.img..12.3.1204.9_-1vF5AyeA
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March 13, 2016 9:50pm
Nostradamus

Sponge:

Just imagine if Donald Trump were to become president and, heaven forbid, Andrew Little were to become our prime minster. At least we’d know what Trump would be implying when he greeted “Little Andy”. Nudge nudge, wink wink.
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March 13, 2016 9:56pm
Sponge

Nostradamus,

Putting aside the disaster that Trump and Little would be for the citizens of each county (though Little would be much, much worse than the Trump buffoon and Clinton would be worse again than Trump) it would be fucking hilarious to see the outcome of a Trump presidency and a Little government.
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March 13, 2016 10:23pm
Left Right and Centre

Um – do Maori have any other culture apart from the war dances ?
Please pardon my cultural ignorance – just off the top of my fingers . . . what springs to mind when asked what counts as ‘Maori culture ?’.

They’ve got some kind of gods – I don’t really know who they are. They . . . go to Maori churches ? Do they ? Don’t think so.
Their own style of housing – no. That’s gone. Clothes – not really. They carve objects. With white man tools these days. Traditional tattoos – using modern needles. So everyone’s got one because of mass production. Did they just get around on foot ? Was that it ? Oh right – wakas. Sure. Food ? They do a bit of their own food. Cooking in the ground. But not all the time. The poi thing – making the noise. Te Reo. I don’t know – what do they do day to day that’s really pre-colonial Maori ?

How long ago where Europeans at the same level as pre-contact Maori ? Not rhetorical – tell me – hahaha
Did whites ever eat each other ? Do hakas ? If not, why not ? What would the white war dance look like ?

Some things are a bit hard to find out. What were the biggest settlements of Maori in one place, how many roughly ? Fewest ? Was their population stable ? Slowly going up ? How many died in wars each year ? As slaves ? Of disease ? Infant mortality ? Any survive well into old age ? Did they cherish the elderly or hope they rotted ?

Getting back to war dances – that’s all you see. War dances. Even before whitey – they didn’t spend all day practicing war dances, did they ? The slaves probably didn’t.

Next: Some old geezer called ‘Matthew’ on talkback. Let’s not hope he was lying about being 90. Sounded relatively compos mentis. Still – Matthew was a bit of a worry it seemed – needed help sorting out which monarch now reigned longest, is Philip older than Liz etc. When asked how his health was – the reply was wry – ‘I’m more worried about how I’m going to get on when I’m 150’. Here’s there all week.

Next: Who else thinks the fast food chains and anyone else needs to start using traceable tagged packaging – for when the lowlife anti-social losers throw it all from their car ? I don’t know – each order could have packaging with a serial number that gets stamped onto it. Customers sign terms or use and acceptance as well as signing obligation and consequences. Once they’re caught – they get the old littering fine. And / or banned from their favourite takeaways. Some would say blacklist them from the whole lot. (‘Blacklist’ is not intended racially, although looking at one – a blacklist, not a black – we don’t call them blacks – forget you saw black – a blacklist may have quite a few people on it who would then want the name changed because it is perceived as racist – even though there’s hardly any blacks anywhere, lots of browns – and anyway blacks are really African, except a lot come from Europe, North and South America and speak Spanish, quite a few are Christian and littering is just not the done thing).

hmmm – I wonder if McDonalds and others actually think about making the print big enough to read for promotion purposes as their shit is lying strewn across the road side ?

Better yet – wouldn’t it be cool to be able to evict litterers and other offenders from your town / city ? The Aussies evict kiwi crims ‘back home’. Where would they go ? I’ll answer how a native might. ‘That’s their fuckin problem’ . . .
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March 14, 2016 5:45am
Left Right and Centre

this just in . . .
I was reading the Trump thread – he wants to protect US workers or something . . .
I’m no economics whiz. Using Google calculator I did a quick back of the www equation, and this is what happened;

The average of Chinese factory slave + non-Asian rest of world economy = Chinese factory slave.
Commentary – double plug adapters cost about $2. What does the US even do anymore ? Disneyland ?

Next: another pet barrow – I was watching the woman from Great British Bake-off in India. Something like 10 000 in poverty lived under a long bridge – worked in other people’s houses then went ‘home’ afterwards. Yeah – doesn’t stop them having kids though, eh ? They’ve all got kids mate. How do they do that (apart from the obvious). Now we’ve found a bridge, let’s start a family ? You see all the ads for donations – 10 billion children starved to death today. Yeah – well, what did the parents have before they got pregnant ? How many pregnancies to each woman ? Got birth control ? Nah.

Next: Good TV, bad TV. Bad TV – Family Feud. Fun For Feckless Feeble Ferals. Good TV – David Attenborough (89 and still going strong) some ‘Pole Hunter’ nature doco. They had polar bears getting seals – then there they had wolves vs hares. What the hell on earth can chase down a damned hare ? Apart from a gun. Those things are stupidly fast and evasive, but oh no – the wolves were giving it a crack. 60km/h the hares can do, and change direction in a split second. Two wolves just couldn’t catch the bugger and the hare escaped – but a whole pack of wolves got the next one. What an incredible scene to capture – a hare running for its life pushed to the limit; seeing every trick in the book keep the chase going longer – with the wolves able to keep up. Wow !!

Then I had this thought – I wonder how long the hares could really run for their lives for ? A few kms ? Ten ? How would you run that experiment ? Not a problem. Put one of the hares on a treadwheel. With a wolf tied by lead on a treadmill two metres behind. I’ll bet it could go for quite a while. Nope – it’s losing some speed – err – why don’t you let Fido’s lead out a bit ? Hey – it’s back up !! That’s just wrong – Hans – I’m just joking.
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March 14, 2016 6:33am
Manolo

The daily gift from Islam, the religion of peace:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/13/explosion-kills-injures-many-people-in-turkey.html?intcmp=hplnws

An explosion killed at least five people Sunday in the Turkish capital of Ankara, according to Reuters, which cited the country’s Dogan news agency. People were also wounded by the blast, a senior security official told Reuters.

NTV reported “many dead” in the blast. The explosion came after a car exploded near a bus stop, according to Turkish broadcaster TRT.
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