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March 26, 2016 2:00pm by David Farrar

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Northland Wahine

I suppose government revenue needs to be collected by all means possible. Snorts
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March 26, 2016 2:09pm
kowtow

Brilliant.
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March 26, 2016 2:09pm
Fentex

What would this police officer say to a person who, speeding, lost control and killed their family in their car and innocent occupants of another? “Don’t worry sir, we might catch any-one who happens to have burgled you”?

I can understand being irritated at traffic enforcement that seems ineffective and misdirected, but for those reasons, not some inane comparison with clearance rates on an unrelated topic.
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March 26, 2016 2:21pm
kowtow

“What would this police officer say to a person who, speeding, lost control and killed their family in their car and innocent occupants of another? ”

He’d say ” You’re nicked bro, and you don’t have to say anyfing”

jeez fentex , did you leave your sense of humour at the Garden Centre yesterday?
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March 26, 2016 2:27pm
David Garrett

Fentex: Yep…heaps of people lose control when doing 105 on a straight dry road…which is where the vultures sit…

And the comparison with burglary is completely valid, since we took the stupid step of combining the traffic police – failed applicants for police college – with the real police.
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March 26, 2016 2:29pm
Jack5

And the decent folk pay their fines, while the ratbags and no-hopers often pay nothing. The latter frequently work off their fines in community work at high rates. The penalties of many, however, will contribute to the tens of millions of dollars in fines written off each year as uncollectable.
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March 26, 2016 2:32pm
ross001

jeez fentex , did you leave your sense of humour at the Garden Centre yesterday?

I hope not, as garden centres should have been closed. 🙂
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March 26, 2016 2:47pm
wikiriwhis business

Burglars or landlords…which is worse
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March 26, 2016 2:51pm
Captain Mainwaring

Here’s an idea wikiriwank. Stop being a tenant and buy your own house. Then you might not be so bigoted about landlords.
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March 26, 2016 3:00pm
Caine9

Yes, that about covers it. There’s no money in burglary recovery simple.
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March 26, 2016 3:07pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Govt should make P freely available.
– idiot users are going to kill themselves anyway, at least this way you can monitor, provide a quality drug in known dosages and try to get them help.
– would cut down massively on the crime (burglaries and property theft for users + violence for those selling drugs)
– would remove the incentive for pushers to get new idiots hooked
– would stop the destruction of properties by p labs

Overall would probably save the country hundreds of millions of dollars per year.
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March 26, 2016 3:31pm
Fentex

kowtow; fentex , did you leave your sense of humour at the Garden Centre yesterday?

I don’t think it’s that funny a joke, because in ignoring the rationale for harsh speed enforcement it sort of punches down on the police for trying to do their jobs (whether or not one agrees that harsh enforcement of every limit is sensible or not [which I personally don’t]).

I also might be a teeny bit sensitive on the topic as someone killed themselves driving head on into my mothers car recently.
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March 26, 2016 3:45pm
jcuk

Such logic from UrbanNeocolonialist is hard to refute.
Traffic stops do not bother me because in retirment I have a much more relaxed attitude to driving as I watch all the nutters trying to save seconds and usually we pull up together at the next traffic lights 🙂 I also delight is being off first as I pay attention to my driving rather than passengers/radio etc. as the impatient nutter inches ahead and then goes to sleep.
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March 26, 2016 3:48pm
cmm

Burglars are complete scum, but burlary does have its upside too.

One of my sons WAS a heavy liberal. In his eyes everyone WAS the same. We’re all equally valuable as human beings and all that.

Then one of those delightful “equal” people stole his $2k bike (broad daylight, even though it was securely locked etc).

He now recognises that we’re not all equal. Some people are SCUM. They do not deserve to be given handouts and treated like equal members of society because they are not.

An expensive lesson, but perhaps worth it in the long run.
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March 26, 2016 3:51pm
kowtow

ross1

That’s why I included garden centre, breaking the law in a heinous fashion you see , geddit?
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March 26, 2016 4:00pm
laworder

Burglars are complete scum, but burlary does have its upside too.

One of my sons WAS a heavy liberal. In his eyes everyone WAS the same. We’re all equally valuable as human beings and all that.

Then one of those delightful “equal” people stole his $2k bike (broad daylight, even though it was securely locked etc).

He now recognises that we’re not all equal. Some people are SCUM. They do not deserve to be given handouts and treated like equal members of society because they are not.

An expensive lesson, but perhaps worth it in the long run.

Yes, it was a not dissimilar “educational experience” in my youth that likewise educated me, and made me realise that no, not all people are equal or should be treated as such

Regards
Peter Jenkins
http://www.sst.org.nz
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March 26, 2016 4:42pm
cmm

@kowtow and all the rest of you bleating about the police…

The police just enforce the laws. They just do what they’re told.

The laws themselves (and the enforcement policies) are made by the government whom we elect.

Therefore the laws we have are what we ask for, and the cops are just doing the job we’ve paid them to do.

If you don’t like the laws then pissing and moaning about the cops might feel good, but it achieves nothing. You need to convince politicians that this is what will get them elected.
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March 26, 2016 4:49pm
nasska

The government funded the police to the tune of $1.46billion for the year 2014/15. The only other source of revenue was:

….”The Minister of Transport, in consultation with the Minister of Police, has approved a total of $900 million for the delivery of road policing activities during the three years from 2012 to 2015. Included in this is a reserve allocation of $10 million to support the increased use of technology to manage speed over the term of the programme.”…..

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/planning-and-investment/our-investments/road-policing-investment/

Small wonder that speeding & other easily detectable road offenses are hammered while burglaries & assaults are almost ignored.

Perhaps your local MP needs to have his/her attention drawn to what each of you consider to be the main function of the police.
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March 26, 2016 5:22pm
Boris Piscina

Your local MP will do as he/she is told by his/her Party Whip/s, according to the dictates of the Inner Circle at the Very Top. So will those in the Cabinet below about #7 or #8. Any other course of action on their part results in the termination or at least severe curtailment of their careers, and they know that as well as everyone else does (or should).

If you want to effect real change, direct your lobbying efforts towards those in positions #1 through #6 in the ruling Party or coalition, and as importantly, their spouses and other close advisors, and also to the members of the Executives of the Parties themselves, the more senior the better.

Also, have lots of money.

Sorry to be such a cynic, but many years behind the scenes in that place has left me an irredeemable realist.

Just saying.
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March 26, 2016 7:50pm
peterwn

David Garrett – when you were in Parliament, did you advocate a single police budget so the Commissioner could decide how best to allocate resources between traffic policing and general policing (eg catching burglars) or did you just accept that the Budget/ Estimates provide two police budgets – one (via NZTA) for traffic policing (and NZTA require that it is used for traffic policing and not catching burglars) and a direct budget for general policing.

Also, the former traffic officers who transitioned to the police are most likely on traffic duties rather than general policing. A few small number declined to be sworn into the police (it was their choice and they are to be congratulated on their honesty as to their capabilities) and continued operating under traffic officer type warrants. Of course all police recruits must now meet the usual recruitment standards although I do wonder whether this is excessively stringent for those required for traffic enforcement and wonder whether is putting undue upward pressure on pay rates.
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March 26, 2016 8:03pm
Jim

To Fentex’s point – I think the police would have a lot more respect if they didn’t make such an overt show of being lazy tax collectors on the roads.

I had a several speeding tickets before I left NZ in 2001 – the last one I recall was a speed camera on a straight downhill section of road where I would have otherwise had to apply the brakes to stay legal. Braking on a straight road because the needle naturally crept up after cresting a hill is unnatural and not necessarily safe either. I remember that well – eyes on the road and then *FLASH* from the side.

Pointless because in no way would that change my behaviour. It just made me pissed off at the stupidity of the camera placement.

But I didn’t realise how barmy NZ was until I became an expat (thanks to Helen Clark for the encouragement btw).

Since then, in 15 years driving overseas I have not had a single speeding ticket (or accident). That is except for two occasions when I visited NZ on holiday and fell prey to the police taking holiday snapshots again.

That seems too exceptional to be chance. Probably 99.9% of my driving is outside NZ yet I somehow instantly become a speedster while in NZ.

Here’s what is clearly different: about 10 years ago I had a letter from the local traffic police. It said one of their patrols clocked me at 70 km/h in a 50km/h zone. Ouch! The letter then went on to say that because I had a clean license and because there is a change in speed limit further up the road, that they would not issue an infringement.

Holy crap! Common sense from the police? End result: massive increase in respect for the local plod, and I watched my speed on that stretch ever since.
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March 26, 2016 8:06pm
RRM

OMG he’s so FUNNY!!!

[Slaps thigh and laughs uncontrollably]

FFS, there are over 300 road crash deaths every year, and there are about 50 homicides every year. That’s why policing priorities are what they are. Not because those wascally cops are out to get you in your nice car…
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March 26, 2016 9:47pm
blazeoflight

Blunt sucks.

Just another RWNJ fuckwit.
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March 26, 2016 9:55pm
David Garrett

Peterwn: Well thank you for asking! Actually, I argued for a split between the real functions of the police and road policing…I even got the then Commissioner to agree in questioning in Select Committee that it was a very poor use of resources to have a trained policeman on the end of a radar gun…He got so flustered he wasn’t sure what he said, and issued a press statement the next day “clarifying” what he had said…(i.e that he didnt advocate a split in functions after all)

So my statements here are entirely consistent with what I said then…
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March 26, 2016 10:22pm
peterwn

Agreed David Garrett. We could put the traffic police in pink uniforms and have them driving pink cars. We could have an alternative recruitment criteria for traffic police. I think this would meet your criteria for separation. However it will not help the Police catch any more burglars as the blue grigade will still have the same numbers and resources.
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March 27, 2016 9:56am
starboard

“Therefore the laws we have are what we ask for, and the cops are just doing the job we’ve paid them to do.”

I dont my taxes to pay them to sit on a long straight road in the middle of nowhere and ping people for doing 104K’s in a 100 K zone. It makes them look like lazy donut eating fools…plus respect for them goes down the shithouse.
Go and catch some burglars FFS plod..at least bring the clearance level up to 50% .
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March 27, 2016 10:17am
Sonny Blount

Rrm said : ” FFS, there are over 300 road crash deaths every year, and there are about 50 homicides every year. That’s why policing priorities are what they are. Not because those wascally cops are out to get you in your nice car”

The topic was burglary. There are far more than 50 a year of them.

And cops have f all to do with the road toll, the reduction of which can be credited to:

Road design and construction
Car design and manufacturing
Driver behaviour and attentiveness

Travelling 105 on the motorway has absolutely nothing to do with the road toll.
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March 27, 2016 10:49am
Dexter

Actually, I argued for a split between the real functions of the police and road policing

Which would have resulted in a completely inefficient, highly expensive and far less effective model than we have currently.

At the moment we have a force who are all trained and capable of attending burglaries, traffic crashes and urgent duty jobs.

And the small percentage of those who are solely road policing, are funded by the LTSA, but still have the skills, training and legal authority to attend urgent burglaries and arrest and interview dishonesty crime offenders they find with stolen property in the car.

In your model, what happens when a traffic cop in the middle of the desert road stops a vehicle full of stolen property driven by a burglar who has just committed an offence. He has to try and detain him under the LTSA for 2 hours while a car of ‘real cops’ arrives to take over. Similarly, what happens at 3am in the morning in Henderson when a drunk driver crashes into your house, do you want to have to wait until a traffic officer on the motorways out in Pokeno drives all the way in to deal with the accident and process the driver?

How on earth is that an inefficient or effective use of resources. It didn’t work back in the day, and it certainly wouldn’t work now.
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March 27, 2016 12:46pm
David Garrett

Peterwn: Actually I thought you were brighter than that…the “blue brigade” would indeed have the same resources as now…except 10 or 20% or whatever it is of their number wouldn’t be sitting hidden behind bushes aiming a radar gun at oncoming traffic for the duration of their shift…they be out investigating burglaries, following up bail defaulters, investigating drunken assaults…

Dexter: funnily enough, most western countries split the functions – and the forces – between real policing and highway patrol…God knows how they manage…
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March 27, 2016 6:20pm
RRM

Sonny Blount:

Yes burglary is a shitty thing but OMG are you really saying human life should be less of a priority and stolen blue ray players are more important?

Let me guess… you’ve had a few speeding tickets right?
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March 27, 2016 9:09pm
peterwn

David G – It is not a matter of implying someone is ‘dumb’ for endeavouring to describe the current policing model and the bounds set by Parliament. Your comment overlooks the requirement that the traffic policing budget must be utilised for traffic policing and not catching burglars. And the Police Commissioner must show NZTA that it is being so utilised. NZTA also seems to have a significant influence in resources put into different aspects of traffic policing such as speed camera numbers, and relative enforcement efforts on speeding, drink-drive and generally shonky driving. NZTA and Police together are charged with minimising the road toll – if they goof off on this there would be a public outcry.

I suspect it is just a minority of loud-mouths who are kicking up most of the stink on traffic policing. There are many others who fully support the work of the Police – such as those who erected dummy speed cameras in Taupo, Ophir and Palmerston as well as those people who take tea and scones out to police officers doing speed enforcement. There was this Police Sergeant in Taihape who dished out 100 speeding tickets in one day – and he had ordinary crime well under control. He was now doubt motivated as well by being sickened with having to deal with horrific motor accidents (together with volunteer fire fighters and local ambulance staff). Simon Power when an opposition MP thought there was to be some political mileage to be made out of allegedly excessive road traffic enforcement but seemed to shut up very quickly when his comments gained little traction.
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March 27, 2016 9:53pm
Sonny Blount

I used to live in Taihape and I worked on the construction crews that did the clean up after accidents.

All the accidents in Taihape happened just north of town on the corner that is now very well signed.

The speed limit had nothing to do with those accidents. It was down to road design. That’s why all the crashes happened in the same place, because the road was the variable.
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