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Awww C-mon

Piss off Griff, it’s been a long day and Drambuie doesn’t help with English my ??
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February 2, 2016 8:38pm
rangitoto

Alternate flag on bridge wrong colour:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/76506515/wrongly-coloured-flag-to-be-replaced-on-the-auckland-harbour-bridge
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February 2, 2016 8:38pm
Kea

Griff, touché. Few Kea times Geeeeesus make sense rabbit. Orbit.
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February 2, 2016 8:39pm
Kea

Kea deletes the post and I end up looking a twat

Hey Awwwwwful hates Twat. Where is Mad-Dad when you need him ?
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February 2, 2016 8:43pm
Griff

1. Thomas Howells, 1927
Study of 461 students showed religiously conversative students “are, in general, relatively inferior in intellectual ability.”

2. Hilding Carlsojn, 1933
Study of 215 students showed that “there is a tendency for the more intelligent undergraduate to be sympathetic toward … atheism.”

3. Abraham Franzblau, 1934
Confirming Howells and Carlson, tested 354 Jewish children, 10-16. Negative correlation between religiosity and Terman intelligence test.

4. Thomas Symington, 1935
Tested 400 young people in colleges and church groups. He reported, “there is a constant positive relation in all the groups between liberal religious thinking and mental ability…There is also a constant positive relation between liberal scores and intelligence…”

5. Vernon Jones, 1938
Tested 381 stydents, concluding “a slight tendency for intelligence and liberal attitudes to go together.”

6. A. R. Gilliland, 1940
At variance with all other studies, found “little or no relationship between intelligence and attitude toward god.”

7. Donald Gragg, 1942
Reported an inverse correlation between 100 ACE freshman test scores and Thurstone “reality of god” scores.

8. Brown and Love, 1951
At U. of Denver, tested 613 male and female students. Mean test scores of non-believers = 119, believers = 100. Percentile NBs = 80, BBs = 50. Their findings “strongly corroborate those of Howells.”

9. Michael Argyle, 1958
Concluded that “although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs.”

10. Jeffrey Hadden, 1963
Found no correlation between intelligence and grades. This was an anomalous finding, since GPA corresponds closely with intelligence. Other factors may have influenced the results at the U. of Wisconsin.

11. Young, Dustin and Holtzman, 1966
Average religiosity decreased as GPA rose.

12. James Trent, 1967
Polled 1400 college seniors. Found little difference, but high-ability students in his sample group were over-represented.

13. C. Plant and E. Minium, 1967
The more intelligent students were less religious, both before entering college and after 2 years of college.

14. Robert Wuthnow, 1978
Of 532 students, 37% of christians, 58% of apostates, and 53 percent of non-religious scored above average on SATs.

15. Hastings and Hoge, 1967, 1974
Polled 200 college students and found no significant correlations.

16. Norman Poythress, 1975
Mean SATs for strongly antireligious (1148), moderately anti-religious (1119), slightly antireligious (1108), and religious (1022).

17. Wiebe and Fleck, 1980
Studied 158 male and female Canadian university students. The reported “nonreligious S’s tended to be strongly intelligent” and “more intelligent than religious S’s.

Student Body Comparisons-

3. Caplovitz and Sherrow, 1977
Apostasy rates rose continuously from 5% in “low” ranked schools to 17% in “high” ranked schools.

Niemi, Ross, and Alexander, 1978
In elite schools, organized religion was judged important by only 26%, compared with 44% of all students.

Studies of Very-High-IQ groups.

1. Terman, 1959
Studied group with IQ > 140. Of men, 10% held strong religious belief, of women 18%. 62% of men and 57% if women claimed “little religious inclination” while 28% men and 23% of women claimed it was “not at all important.”

3. Southern and Plant, 1968
42 male and 30 female members of Mensa. Mensa members were much less religious in belief than the typical American college alumnus or adult.

1. William S. Ament, 1927
C. C. Little, president U. of Michigan, checked persons listed in Who’s Who in America: “Unitarians, Episcopalians, Congregationalists, Universalists, and Presbyterians are … far more numerous in Who’s Who than would be expercted on the basis of the population which they form. Baptists, Methodists, and Catholics are distinctly less numberous.”

Ament confirmed Little’s conclusion. He noted that Unitarians, the least religious, were more than 40 times as numerous in Who’s Who as in the U.S. population.

2. Lehman and Witty, 1931
Identified 1189 scientists found in both _Who’s Who_ (1927) and American Men of Science (1927). Only 25% in AM of S and 50% of those listed in Who’s Who reported their religious denomination despite the specific requests to do so, “religious denomination (if any).” Well over 90% of the general population claims religious affiliation. The figure of 25% suggest far less religiosity among scientists.

Unitarians were 81.4 times as numerous among eminent scientists as non-Unitarians.

3. Kelley and Fisk, 1951
Found a negative (-.39) correlation between the strength of religious values and research competence. [How these were measured I have no idea.]

4. Ann Roe, 1953
Interviewed 64 “eminent scientists, nearly all members of the prestigious National Academy of Sciences or the American Philosophical Society. She reported that, while nearly all of them had religious parents and had attended Sunday school, ‘now only three of these men are seriously active in church. A few others attend upon occasion, or even give some financial support to a church which they do not attend… All the otheres have long since dismissed religion as any guide to them, and the church plays no part in their lives…A few are militantly atheistic, but most are just not interested.'”

5. Francis Bello, 1954
Questionnaired or interviewed 107 young (<= 40) nonindustrial scientists judged by senior colleagues to be outstanding. 87 responded. 45% claimed to be "agnostic or atheistic" and an additional 22% claimed no religious affiliation. For 20 most eminent, "the proportion who are now a-religious is considerably higher than in the entire survey group."

6. Jack Chambers, 1964
Questionnaired 740 US psychologists and chemists. He reported, "the highly creative men [jft- assume no women included] … significantly more often show either no preference for a particular religion or little or no interest in religion." Found that the most eminent psychologists showed 40% no preference, 16% for the most eminent chemists.

7. Vaughan, Smith, and Sjoberg, 1965
Polled 850 US physicists, zoologists, chemical engineers, and geologists listed in American Men of Science_(1955) on church membership, and attendance patterns, and belief in afterlife. 642 replies.

38.5% did not believe in afterlife, 31.8% did. Belief in immortality was less common among major university staff than among those employed by business, government, or minor universities. The contemporaneous Gallup poll showed 2/3 of US population believed in afterlife, so scientists were far less religious than typical adult.
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February 2, 2016 8:45pm
Awww C-mon

Wow Kea, desperate for some attention tonight??

1/ we never need Dad
2/ you just aren’t worth the effort TBH
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February 2, 2016 8:45pm
dad4justice

‘Edit: and then Kea deletes the post and I end up looking a twat…’

Awwwful what a pathetic twit. It’s way past your bedtime. You got school tomorrow young lad.
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February 2, 2016 8:49pm
Kea

Griff you godless sinful commie Muslim Atheist !!!! Have you not hear the word ?

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Read more: http://www.atheistrev.com/2005/03/bible-commands-christians-to-kill.html#ixzz3yzja0V3o
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February 2, 2016 8:49pm
nasska

Sounds about right Griff. Only the terminally gullible & irredeemably thick would waste their few short years on that crap. 🙂
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February 2, 2016 8:50pm
Kea

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
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February 2, 2016 8:51pm
buggar me

sooty (175 comments) says:

February 2nd, 2016 at 6:35 pm

Bugger me @4.12. Just home from school are you. Take it up the arse do you.

Sooty, like sooty shearwater, the fat and greasy bird known as the muttonbird.
I will not comment on how your grubby mind works.

How the name came about was the first time I read all the comments on this site, my first thought was , buggar me, so many on here most of the day with nothing better to do than be critical of people leading useful lives.

You need to ask yourself what am I achieving being on here, that is you.
It is like Fox News all over again.
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February 2, 2016 8:52pm
mikenmild

Once upon a time the most intelligent students entered the Church, as that was the route to power and riches.
Nowadays, churches are the refuge of the bewildered.
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February 2, 2016 8:53pm
nasska

….”Nowadays, churches are the refuge of the bewildered.”….

It’s not the lucrative racket it used to be.
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February 2, 2016 8:57pm
Kea

Awwwwwful, Lucifer and Spawn all seem flustered tonight. Was it something I said ? 🙂
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February 2, 2016 8:57pm
Awww C-mon

Yup Dad, but you have to fit fat heifers kankles into pumps, sucks to be you
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February 2, 2016 8:59pm
buggar me

Private Mainwaring , sounds like something out of Dads Army.

Don’t feel too bad sooty. The rest of us have worked out that Buggar Me is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
Take pity on him.

You can read my reply to Sooty, as it applies to you also.
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February 2, 2016 8:59pm
dad4justice

Awwwwful has the bird flu Kea.
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February 2, 2016 9:00pm
Awww C-mon

Awwwwwful, Lucifer and Spawn all seem flustered tonight. Was it something I said ? 🙂

Haha, oh yeah Kea, you cut to the bone every time

#humblemuch
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February 2, 2016 9:01pm
starboard

wheres that dirty felcer scott chris, haven’t seen him for a while. Nancy boy much.
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February 2, 2016 9:02pm
Kea

“Awwwwful has the bird flu Kea.”

Dad, I’m more interested in how your doll line contracted AIDS
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February 2, 2016 9:02pm
Awww C-mon

Bird flu, lol, seriously your a funny guy dad /sarc

Did you send a AIDS infected doll via NZpost to Kea’s cage or have you two kissed and made up?
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February 2, 2016 9:05pm
cha

the refuge of the bewildered.

True Blue?.
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February 2, 2016 9:06pm
stephieboy

If you consider for example The Cathedral of Santa Maria del Fiore ( The Cathedral of Florence ) and its contribution to art and architecture then it’s time to carefully reflect and think about the role of the Church in our life and culture That instead of an appeal to superficial material philosophies ,

http://www.museumsinflorence.com/musei/cathedral_of_florence.html

The same for Allegri Miserere,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOENZediM8
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February 2, 2016 9:07pm
Kea

cha (5,676 comments) says:
February 2nd, 2016 at 9:06 pm
the refuge of the bewildered.

True Blue?.

How dare you question the prophesy. Prog

Redbaiter (11,656 comments) says:
October 1st, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RRM, you’re so smug and self satisfied and so damn wrapped up in your delusional little world you’ll never latch on to the simple fact that I am just the vanguard of a political movement that is going to wipe Progressives off the face of the earth. They’ll disappear like the Dodo birds did.

I am spearheading a force that will grow from hundreds to thousands to millions and you will be gone.

That is the way its going to happen and if you had half a clue you’d know that to be the truth.
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February 2, 2016 9:09pm
AgentBallSack

stephiebitch the rest of us would appreciate you getting off the sickness benefit and contributing to the economy rather than posting all fucking day on KiwiBlog, thanks!
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February 2, 2016 9:11pm
Awww C-mon

@Kea9:09 and @Redbaiter2013

Now that is a rant and an ego to be in awe of!!! Spectacular!!
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February 2, 2016 9:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

Griff @ 8.45.
Great research there old chap, but who gives a fuck?
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February 2, 2016 9:12pm
stephieboy

AgentBallSack,

A choice of Anti Psychotic medications tailored for you .

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/treatmentswellbeing/antipsychoticmedication.aspx

Do you aspire to the mantle of the deluded Comrade Rebaiter ?
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February 2, 2016 9:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Kea

are you writing another thesis?
Plotting out a few experiments?
Gathering up evidence?
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February 2, 2016 9:19pm
Kea

“Now that is a rant and an ego to be in awe of!!! Spectacular!”

Awwwwful, that was the good ole days, before David got all nervous and implemented ~~censorship~~ ‘standards’ [sic] 🙂
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February 2, 2016 9:20pm
AgentBallSack

Imagine the psychiatrist:

“So Stephiebitch, You’re a Maori loving, Islam hugging, Child Rape apologist, Labour Snuggling, Man Fucking, Liberal Muslim?
I recommend Suicide!”
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February 2, 2016 9:22pm
Kea

“@Kea

are you writing another thesis?
Plotting out a few experiments?
Gathering up evidence?…”

Drinking and thinking. I scoot around the mountains as the mood strikes me.
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February 2, 2016 9:24pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Penny, how did your ‘straw poll’ of whether the average kiwiblogger is in favour of the TPPA or not end up?
You don’t have to answer, as you don’t answer any other questions that are put to you.
Bloody waste of space.
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February 2, 2016 9:32pm
AgentBallSack

Even Reid has given up on the lofty ideal of wearing RedBaiters Mantle. No one here comes close to the insanity he drooled about these esteemed pages.
EAD is hoping when Red dies he might leave him a couple of teacups of spittle. For divination purposes only!
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February 2, 2016 9:33pm
Awww C-mon

Capt. I haven’t had the chance (or inclination TBH) to read all today’s GD, did the spreader of lies and slander return after her Monsanto claims?
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February 2, 2016 9:40pm
stephieboy

AgentBallsup urge you to move away from your auto erotic asphyxiation and diaper wearing and filling fantasies .
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February 2, 2016 9:43pm
Griff

EAD officially received the mantle of kb far right loony fringe nutcase from redbaiter Ballsack.
From the great El Guava himself on a post on truly deluded blue when red twit retired from the fray .
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February 2, 2016 9:43pm
Kea

Griff, Red did not retire. He left beaten and humiliated. A tragic and bitter creature exposed as the noisy moron he always was. Much the same as Trump, he is all noise but very thin skinned and lacking in substance.

The cowering Red, hiding in his bog today, is the real Red. 🙂
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February 2, 2016 9:53pm
Rachael Membery

TPP I think not TPPA, I asked the American Ambassador about it tonight at Waikato Uni, he says TPP. Trans Pacific Partnership?
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February 2, 2016 9:53pm
AgentBallSack

There you go again stephiebitch, projecting your perverted sex fantasies on other people. May your god save your twisted ugly soul.
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February 2, 2016 9:54pm
Griff

Actually kea he even named his nemesis on kb in that post .
😆
Apparently the so named people are cowardly prog Marxist hillbilly rhino trolls or something .
He is still ranting about it on true blue over a year later .
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February 2, 2016 9:57pm
Kea

Griff, it all turned bad when the – Compulsory Gay Marriage and Sodomy Act was passed.

Waaay before Muslims, that was all the rage on KB. How times have changed.

Who can forget the dire predictions of pedophile transgender homo atheists having sex with animals in the street by 2016 🙂
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February 2, 2016 10:06pm
AgentBallSack

Griff did Penny smack his balls hard?
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February 2, 2016 10:07pm
Manolo

He could qualify as a honorary Muslim:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11583077
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February 2, 2016 10:09pm
Griff

Compulsory gay marriage was coming.
The target group to hate was the Chinese.
Funny that the same conservatives have switched to new fears to shit themselves over .
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February 2, 2016 10:10pm
Shunda barunda

Who can forget the dire predictions of pedophile transgender homo atheists having sex with animals in the street by 2016

I don’t remember anyone predicting that, but what they did predict is exactly what is now happening – human rights are no longer objective but subjective.
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February 2, 2016 10:10pm
Rachael Membery

The American Ambassador made some interesting observations about the TPP, such as the improvement of working conditions in some of the signatory countries requirement. NZ not being one of them!!!
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February 2, 2016 10:11pm
Manolo

I am deeply impressed: Kea is still with us! Good on you, mate. 🙂
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February 2, 2016 10:13pm
AgentBallSack

Kea has 1 more day to melt down before my dollar goes into the kitty. Something his dick will never experience.
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February 2, 2016 10:18pm
AgentBallSack

shunda the legalisation of gay marriage heralded the onset of uncontrollable sheep fucking and sister incest in the provinces according to Red and his altar boys. Please pay attention.
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February 2, 2016 10:30pm
sam green

Jesus. You’re on to bum sex again. Where are starboard and dad4. They love this stuff.
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February 2, 2016 10:40pm
Awww C-mon

“You’re on to bum sex again. Where are starboard and dad4. They love this”

Yup, pretty much everyone has seemed to realise it but the two of them, they will make an interesting couple when it finally happens
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February 2, 2016 10:46pm
starboard

fags..why arent you in bed sam green..getting to ‘know yourself’
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February 2, 2016 10:53pm
sam green

My wife’s doing that for me. Thanks for caring handsome.
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February 2, 2016 11:01pm
Left Right and Centre

That should sort things out……. or perhaps my sample size is too small?

Here to help should my services be required.

Sorry to be so critical, but honestly this guy shouldn’t be on radio. I won’t be listening again.

Geez mate – how many times are you going to post you don’t like Sainsbury ? I listened to Slack – average. Very very average. Filler. He’s got nothing on Sainsbury. Because he’s not a rude fuckwit like a lot of others are – he’s no good ?

He got quite irate, with hand gestures and flashing lights and such, but strangely, when I got out at the lights to ask why he was so keen to get my attention, he didn’t want to talk to me.

You’ve got to love real life. Good story.

I see from his death notice that Pacer Willacy-Scott has siblings named Chevy, Dodge, and Corvette. I guess he was doomed from the start.

chavvy, dodgy, and convert.

When is maori language week this year? I want to gear up for it…maybe learn a bit, get my tongue around it.

John Key has sure helped the Maori Party get their tongue around it – hahaha

Which madrassa do you Stephieboys post from?

And now I know what a madrassa is. KB is my madrassa. I’ve been radicalised – before I knew *fuck* all about them.

Very good Hajji..I thought muslims had no sense of humour. You have proved me wrong.

Kiwistani

Real men prefer altar boys!

They have altar-rear motives ?

I am spearheading a force that will grow from hundreds to thousands to millions and you will be gone.

That shit will probably never get old. Ever.
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February 3, 2016 4:51am
Left Right and Centre

(1) Good on TV3 for giving people what they want – non-pregnant hottie girlmeat vixens presenting the weather. Someone called Ingrid melted my TV with a sizzling white number and 45 degree high heels – yeah baby. She doesn’t need to stand on some stupid angle and stay there like a statue to stupidly try and lessen the look of being knocked up for six. How on earth is anyone meant to think about anything other than . . . ‘whoa – that is one seriously, really really really pregnant chick. Look at the bloody size of that thing. This feels like the opening sequence to Star Wars when the Star Destroyer just keeps on and on and on taking up the shot for a good minute. It’s the hard-on detroyer.’

(2) Some dumb hicks up north I think voted fluoride out of their water. And they’re anti-vaxers too. Ok, that last part might not be true. Far North ? Far Out. Third world style – smile – and the whole world ~~smiles with you~~ runs screaming at the horror.

(3) I wonder what PB did to help stop the Wellington SuperCity ? I suppose without her it would’ve gone ahead then ? Whatever noddy.

(4) Watched something called Story. Fat white woman Anabel (spelling?) helped someone called Duncan Garner shop for a family of four on a budget (was it $100? $150?). Shit she was irritating. Baked beans – baked beans are really good. Full of protein. *and full of salt – it’s really just filler rubbish – 70c for a tin – must be really high quality ingredients in there*. Mussels, hello ? Fuckin shtiheads. Peas, eggs. $1 nasty shit bread ? Rice, pasta ? Cheap shitty high energy low nutrition filler foods for the feckless. Don’t forget yoghurt. Ok, Weetbix but even then – it’s just high carb shit. Make sure you eat the biscuits and recycle the carboard. Easy mistake to make. They had to put Weetbix in there because it’s just such a kiwi kliche, eh ? Our good friend cheap shit mince. Sausages (guessing cheap).

At the checkout they’re ‘under budget’ so Mr ‘I’m fat and normal’ goes back for I think 5kg of chicken drumsticks. They are shitty pieces of chicken. I try to get thighs or even mixed portions depending on price. Some brands they should be had up and re-name them ‘sticks’ – no meat on the bastards. They went to some Indian shop for the produce – didn’t pass the sniff test for me – probably a total rip-off. Oh yeah – they ‘came in under budget’. $1 bread ? Why do people *have to* eat bread every day ? We’re so fucking poor – no bread – oh no. It’s shit – only eat it because they grew up eating the shit. Don’t eat the $1 duck bread. Even the ducks would kick your arse trying to give them white puke. Oh – but they got the ‘wholegrain’. Read it. Wholegrain for $1 ? Wholemeal. There’s a difference. You don’t get jackshit for $1. And anyway – it’s a loss leader so you won’t buy your fags and booze and lotto at the opposition. TV shopping is always total BS and out of touch with what really goes on or what people could be doing.

It’s just too much mate – trolley full of the grain group with some fatarse throwing in bread, rice, pasta and cereal for the full house or carbs, meat and dairy. Baked beans are really good !! Please. I hope no-one watching took them seriously.

(5) Today’s ‘random’ pns receipt. Nappies and junk food. Every time. What have we got this time . . .
44 items $104.46. Served by cultural diversity. ActII popcorn, cad dairy milk 200g, cadb d/m bubbly, eta spuds r/salted x2, eta spuds salt & vin x2, huggie boy24, silk frag free baby, v energy can x2 @ $2.59 (ouch), s/remo s/snack cr ba x3, s/remo s/snack mac&c x4 (this person seems to be into a lot of health food), pick n mix $9.80 (*faaaaark!!*), budget cheese slices (blocks are hard to cut up), country gdns dip s/c x3 @ $2.39 ($7.17 on that shit). Plums and tomatoes. N/land banana berry x2, N/land choc cus x3, N/land mango/apple x3.

That’s a fucked up food pyramid. Guessing: the kids don’t have a hope in hell.
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February 3, 2016 6:18am
stephieboy

I wonder if Breitbart ,Jihad Watch and Daily Stormer etc will be featuring this ?,

Teenage girl admits making up migrant rape claim that outraged Germany”

A 13-year-old Russian-German girl has admitted making up a story about being kidnapped and raped by migrants in a case that triggered a furore in Germany and briefly embroiled Berlin police in a spat with the Kremlin, state prosecutors said.
The parents of the teenager, named only as Lisa, reported her missing on 11 January after she failed to appear at school in the Marzahn district of the capital. She reappeared 30 hours later with injuries on her face, and told her parents she had been attacked by men of Middle Eastern or north African appearance. News of the incident spread on social media, sparking outrage among Berlin’s Russian-German community.
But when she was questioned by trained specialists three days later “she immediately admitted that the story of the rape was not true”, said the spokesman for the state prosecutor, Martin Steltner.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/31/teenage-girl-ma de-up-migrant-claim-that-caused-uproar-in-germany
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