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stephieboy

Reid, this article about George Seldes is very interesting and it’s not as though there is a shortage of material on the net. about the crusading journalist . Most of his books can still be purchased on Amazon . He lived to 104 and said faithful to his wife for 50 years . Seldes was one the of the earliest to publicise the causal link between Cancer and smoking. A taboo subject for most US media at the time. Sure he was largely ignored by the media but as one critic noted he wanted all the media to publish exactly what he thought . He also exposed the mask behind Mussolini and we learn the irony that the New York Post was one of the few in the US that dared publish the truth about the Spanish Civil War. Most were pro Franco .

However I doubt very much he would of survived under Stalin or Hitler . He was not one to tow any partly line .

http://www.brasscheck.com/seldes/bio.html
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February 27, 2016 5:27pm
blazeoflight

The world is topsy turvy.

ACT is proposing a new tax.

What happened to tax is theft?
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February 27, 2016 5:31pm
nasska

….”I’m not a climate scientist… I have no political affiliations or aspirations….. I’m just a little old lady .”

Vladimir Nabokov expressed it thus:

….“I am sufficiently proud of my knowing something to be modest about my not knowing all.”
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February 27, 2016 5:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Brigette

here’s another paper on cosmic rays, cosmic dust and global climate

http://ann-geophys.net/30/9/2012/angeo-30-9-2012.pdf

It’s an active research field….. but the MSM doesn’t touch it.
There’s $$$$$$$Billions spent on researching CO2 and global climate models….
but bugger all $$$$ devoted to other natural factors influencing global climate.
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February 27, 2016 5:47pm
Reid

Yes stephie, he seems like an interesting man, I hadn’t heard of him before today. It’s amazing who pops up from history, repeating the same old things thus proving the same threads run through regardless. It’s a shame people aren’t more aquainted with the mores of the times they analyse, when they analyse them. If we were, perhaps we wouldn’t make the same interpretational mistakes we make, quite so often.

But of course, these days, most people are more interested in the latest fascinating sport news, or celeb goings-on. They’re much more important, apparently.

I hope you’ve bought up your children to be more discerning that your average RadioNZ, NewstalkZB, TV whatever listener/viewer/consumer/whatever.

The last thing the world needs is more obedient consumers, lockstep marching toward a world they’ve had no say in designing and less interest in so doing, because of the computer game that so fascinates, at the mo.
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February 27, 2016 5:55pm
stephieboy

All_on_Red (2,593 comments) says:
February 27th, 2016 at 3:50 pm

Stephie Dr Paul Nurse is a geneticist specialising in Cell Biology. He doesn’t have any ‘climate science’ qualifications. Looks like as usual you are arguing from NO authority

Wrong . He does have authority by being trained thoroughly in the Scientific method . However will atmospheric chemist scientist and Nobel laureate Paul J. Crutzen be up to your specifications ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_J._Crutzen

I also understand that our Maggy Wassilief’s area of interest is Botany and related sciences . I would say judging by your criteria she also should be excluded .

MW, do correct me if I’m wrong ?
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February 27, 2016 5:55pm
publicwatchdog

Are the comments Donald Trump made about Princess Diana nearly 20 years ago, (and other comments he has made about women), going to come back him and bite him on his political posterior – as it were?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-said-a-lot-of-gross-things-about-women-on-howar#.dfbZ6DXQ4

Donald Trump Said A Lot Of Gross Things About Women On “Howard Stern”

In the hours of audio reviewed by BuzzFeed News, Trump ranks, rates, and degrades women.
posted on Feb. 25, 2016, at 12:11 p.m.

Donald Trump’s rise toward the Republican nomination has been fueled, in part, by his candid and often crude style — more Howard Stern, say, than Mitt Romney.

And the roots of Donald Trump’s rhetoric come, in fact, in part from The Howard Stern Show. Trump appeared upwards of two dozen times from the late ’90s through the 2000s with the shock jock, and BuzzFeed News has listened to hours of those conversations, which are not publically available. The most popular topic of conversation during these appearances, as is typical of Stern’s program, was sex.

In particular, Trump frequently discussed women he had sex with, wanted to have sex with, or wouldn’t have sex with if given the opportunity. He also rated women on a 10-point scale.

“A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10,” he told Stern in one typical exchange.

Women make up a majority of the American electorate, and any of dozens of Trump’s remarks would be considered a severe blow to most candidates for public office. Trump has, in the Republican primary, proven largely immune to the backlash that the laws of gravity in politics would predict, but there are also suggestions that he has a deep problem with some women voters: 68% of women voters held an unfavorable view of Trump in a Quinnipiac poll released in December. In a Gallup poll also released in December, Trump had the lowest net favorable rating out of all the candidates among college-educated Republican women. And should he win the nomination, his comments are sure to become ammunition for Democrats against what they have long cast as a Republican “war on women.”

Trump has a history of making crude remarks toward women. He reportedly said of his ex-wife Marla Maples, “Nice tits, no brains,” and more recently, he has called Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly a “bimbo” and a “lightweight” and said she had “blood coming out of her wherever” during the first GOP debate.

The focus of Trump’s attentions when interviewed by Stern was commonly female celebrities — movie and television stars, recording artists, models, and media personalities.

Trump, in more than one instance, expressed his admiration for and attraction to Diana, Princess of Wales.

Months after Diana was killed in an automobile accident in 1997, Trump told Stern he thinks he could have slept with her, saying she had “supermodel beauty.” In a different interview in 2000, Trump said he would have slept with her “without hesitation” and that “she had the height, she had the beauty, she had the skin.” He added, “She was crazy, but these
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Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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February 27, 2016 6:00pm
publicwatchdog

“Months after Diana was killed in an automobile accident in 1997, Trump told Stern he thinks he could have slept with her, saying she had “supermodel beauty.” In a different interview in 2000, Trump said he would have slept with her “without hesitation” and that “she had the height, she had the beauty, she had the skin.” He added, “She was crazy, but these are minor details.”

Sorry for the incomplete quote.

Gremlins ;(

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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February 27, 2016 6:04pm
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/77341080/philip-chism-jailed-for-40-years-over-rape-and-murder-of-teacher-colleen-ritzer

This is one of the most horrific Rape/Murders I have ever read about..(Google what this animal actually did to the poor girl)
Wonder why this never got the media attention Trayvon Martin or Michael Smith did? Or any comment from the President?..
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February 27, 2016 6:05pm
mikenmild

Penny
You seem to think that Trump’s misogyny would be some kind of negative point for voters.
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February 27, 2016 6:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Stephieboy 5:55pm

read my 5:21pm posting.

I have never written here that I am a climate scientist… I’m not fucking anonymous. Anyone can research my background.

No-one is forced to read my links.

Everyone is free to ignore current climate science research.
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February 27, 2016 6:16pm
blazeoflight

@Maggy

The world is full of wannabe Gallileos.

Sadly for them all, there was only one.
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February 27, 2016 6:21pm
stephieboy

Maggy Wassilieff , sorry missed it . Ok so who do we run with – you or Nobel laureate atmospheric chemist Paul J. Crutzen ? Do you think that the other Nobel Laureate Dr Paul Nurse’s views on climate change are less credible by virtue of his background in Cell biology and genetics ?
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February 27, 2016 6:26pm
blazeoflight

@Maggy, again…

There is no support in that Nature link for denialists or for any contradiction to the AGW hypothesis.

The basic formula, as I’m sure you know, is that when energy in minus energy out, in a defined system, is a positive number greater than zero, then increased heat is the inevitable result.

That’s exactly what is happening in the formerly balanced (in the long, long, run), planet Earth atmospheric system.

The research is about finding out where the heat locates, and its effects, both current and potential.

Anything else is white noise, useful for sleeping but little else.
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February 27, 2016 6:31pm
blazeoflight

@Longknives 6.06pm

So you point is that the MSM and the POTUS actively hide white crime?

That’s just a tad conspiracy theory stuff (no pun intended) don’t you think?
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February 27, 2016 6:34pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
How about Dr Freeman Dyson. One of the worlds preeminent Physicists
How about these;
“Do I expect you to publicly denounce the hockey stick as obvious drivel? Well, yes.”
Jonathan Jones, Professor of Atomic and Laser Physics, University of Oxford

“Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be barred …because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore.”
Eduardo Zorita, Senior Scientist at Germany’s Institute for Coastal Research

“Did Mann et al get it wrong? Yes, Mann et al got it wrong.”
Simon Tett, Professor of Climate Science University of Edinburgh

Just a few of the many PH.D. Qualified Scientists who comment in;
“A Disgrace To The Profession”
The World’s Scientists, In Their Own Words, On Michael E Mann, His Hockey Stick And Their Damage To Science
Volume I

Then there is Andrew Montfords book ” The Hockey Stick Illusion”
Then there is what is written in WG1 of the IPCCs Assessment Review 5
Check out the part on Climate Sensitiivty then come back and tell us how the “science is settled”
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February 27, 2016 6:35pm
All_on_Red

Blaze
Suggest you read a bit more about Arrhenius and his prediction. Your little formula doesn’t take into account negative feedback and how the planet is balancing itself.
Note this from Wiki
“Arrhenius included the feedback from changes in water vapor as well as latitudinal effects, but he omitted clouds, convection of heat upward in the atmosphere, and other essential factors. His work is currently seen less as an accurate prediction of global warming than as the first demonstration that it should be taken as a serious possibility.”

“Omitted clouds, convection of heat upward etc.
The hot spot which is part of the warming theory is not being observed in the lower Troposphere. (RSS and UAH series)Even Gavin Schmidt has admitted in a tweet lately that the lack of this disproves the theory.
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February 27, 2016 6:41pm
blazeoflight

@Stephieboy

I had a philosophy 101 classmate a couple of years ago who was really down on Keynes – and Krugman.

Like, savage.

I asked him what economics papers he is taking.

Nada. Zip. Zero. A big fat 0. “Never will.” “It’s all crap.”

He’s 40 years younger than me and a lot bigger so I smiled benignly and asked him what his model country economy is.

He snarled something I couldn’t hear and then I heard “…John Galt.”

I laughed so much he never talked to me for the rest of the semester!
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February 27, 2016 6:42pm
stigie

Just quietly, i reckon Penny would consider rooting Donald Trump, i think she’s fascinated !~
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February 27, 2016 6:46pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
Nice own goal by you. Maggy is a PH.D. Qualified scientist. By your own measure, which you apply to Nurse who is NOT a climate scientist, then Maggy is qualified, (indeed far more qualified than you ever will be) to comment just as much.
Gosh, it is just so easy proving you wrong, day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day.
Do you have a mental illness? You seem to have some serious issues
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February 27, 2016 6:48pm
blazeoflight

All_on_red

You are shitting me, right.

You are taking Wiki at face value?

Say, why don’t you tweet @ClimateOfGavin for confirmation that he acknowledges that his life’s work is down the gurgler?
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February 27, 2016 6:52pm
All_on_Red

On Dianna, what is wrong with lauding her beauty? Who amongst us has not wanted to sleep with a gorgeous woman? Gosh, how many Women’s magazines were sold because of her looks?
I used to have a bit of a crush on Pamela Anderson but then I met her and partied with her and decided not anymore.
So what about Trump? Don’t like him being honest huh.
It’s pretty pathetic criticism and shows how desparate some are.
Maybe it just comes from people who live with their mum…
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February 27, 2016 6:54pm
blazeoflight

A (very) recent link tweeted by Gavin Schmidt

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/no-slowdown/

Yep, Gavin’s definitely resiled from his life’s work…not.
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February 27, 2016 6:58pm
Shawn Herles

Wow. Trump thought Princess Di was hot. Call the Liberal media immediately so that this heinous crime can be revealed!!!

LMAO!!! 🙂
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February 27, 2016 6:58pm
Shawn Herles

“I had a philosophy 101 classmate a couple of years ago who was really down on Keynes – and Krugman.

Like, savage.”

Smart man.
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February 27, 2016 7:00pm
Longknives

I never thought much of Princess Di to be honest- Now Kate Middleton on the other hand…
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February 27, 2016 7:01pm
blazeoflight

@all on red

The point here is that Maggie is not a climate scientist, but she presumes to know better than the overwhelming majority of actual climate scientists.

I am not a climate scientist, but I do not presume to know better that the overwhelming majority of actual climate scientists.

QED
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February 27, 2016 7:02pm
Longknives

And Koo Stark!
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February 27, 2016 7:03pm
All_on_Red

Here you go- screen shot
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/img_20151214_145725.jpg
Question “According to the theory, isn’t the Troposphere supposed to warm faster?”
A: Schmidt “yes”
Q ,” And it isn’t, according to satellites and radiosonde so isn’t that a teensy weeny problem for AGW theory?”

Busted!
Laugh at loud at Tamino. What’s Grant Fosters qualifications again. Still living with his mum?
Gistemp- snigger.
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February 27, 2016 7:04pm
All_on_Red

Lol, Stephie seems to have done his usual trick of running away singing lalalalalala with his hands over his ears so he can pretend he didn’t see the rebuttal.
So funny.
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February 27, 2016 7:10pm
Shawn Herles

” but she presumes to know better than the overwhelming majority of actual climate scientists.”

Rubbish. Maggy is just giving the other side of the argument, one also supported by climate scientists. As she herself said, the science is disputed, thus it is not settled.

Contra popular myth, being in a majority does not make an argument right.
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February 27, 2016 7:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@stephieboy
6:26

Ok so who do we run with

Do your own thinking… I have to.

If you had read my 5:21 post you’d realise I’m in the same boat as practically everyone else…
I came into this climate debate on KB when NIWA had a run-in with some folk who wanted to know what methods NIWA employed to calculate NZs warming over the last century.

NIWA has never published the method used and for some time delayed proceedings by referring the querying folks to a PhD thesis held in the closed stack at Vic Uni. That thesis dated from the early 1980s – same time that my hubby’s PhD and my PhD were presented…. but as far as I know everone’s thesis now has been digitized and are available online….. I couldn’t figure out why the public weren’t able to get easy access to a 30 yr old thesis.

NIWA has still not published in a peer -reviewed scientific paper the method it employs to calculate NZ’s temperature warming over the last 116 years.
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February 27, 2016 7:10pm
stephieboy

All on Red, no own goal .Maggy maybe a PH.D.and qualified scientist.but there as many same scientists in NZ who disagree with her ideas and conclusions .

In that respect I will hedge my bets with Dr Paul Nurse , Paul Crutzen and the NZ Royal Society and the UK Royal Society etc on Climate change ,

http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/teaching-learning/resources/gamma/climate-change/

and,

https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/energy-environment-climate/

Using you vast scientific and bountiful knowledge try and discredit Paul Crutzen ?
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February 27, 2016 7:11pm
All_on_Red

Oh Blze tries the old Argument from Authority. The last refuge of the alarmist and a completely moronic argument. Didn’t Einstein say” they only need one to disprove my theory”
Try the 120 scientists in Steyns compilation.
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February 27, 2016 7:14pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
How about you list all the Papers that Society has had published on ‘Climate Science’?
Oh and I referred you to WG1 AR5. Read that.
I’d wager a lot of those you mention haven’t . It’s quite funny how many don’t.
And yes, it’s an own goal by you- as usual
Must go- I have children to feed. Until tomorrow Stephie
Bwhahahahhahhahahahaha
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February 27, 2016 7:16pm
blazeoflight

All on red

Quoting genuine experts is not appeal to authority.

I learnt that form one of Jamie Whyte’s books.

Quoting pseudo experts is downright dishonesty.
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February 27, 2016 7:17pm
Shawn Herles

“Quoting genuine experts is not appeal to authority.”

It is if you claim they are right simply because they are in a majority.

Also “genuine” is purely subjective. Maggy has posted the view of 300 scientists who do not agree with the IPCC. Trotting out “genuine” vs “pseudo” is not a fact based argument, but an appeal to prejudice and subjective opinion.
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February 27, 2016 7:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@blazeoflight

but she presumes to know better than the overwhelming majority of actual climate scientists.

I don’t presume to know better than any climate scientist….
However I can read the current scientific literature and I would refer you to my earlier postings today 1:05pm

There’s links to 300 scientific papers published in the last year or so that don’t accord with the IPCC view on AGW.

.. I’m just letting folks know that a whole bunch of scientists are studying a variety of different factors that may or may not have a bearing on Earth’s climate.

There is now a body of literature on natural variation and climate change…. a field that has been neglected by the IPCC for 25 years.
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February 27, 2016 7:21pm
Stars And Stripes

Things seem to be getting a bit tense in here so I will take some of the heat for a while by saying that even if global warming is true I think it is going to have a good side because finally all those filthy little atolls in the Pacific which are overpopulated and downright grotty will finally get a bit of a wash and a scrub up, something which has been required for quite a while.
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February 27, 2016 7:24pm
Shawn Herles

The truth is that the science of climate change is not a great concern for the Left. AGW is an article of faith, because it gives the Left an excuse to bash capitalism and economic development. AGW could be the opinion of a retarded monkey and the Left would still trumpet it as unassailable truth.
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February 27, 2016 7:28pm
Chuck Bird

ACT wants to pay David Bain and Seymour does not care if he is guilty. ACT used to be a party tough on crime – particularly violent crime. Seymour has been following Donald Trump and think he can say what he want without engaging his brain. Are there any ACT supporters who favour paying Bain our money without waiting to see what is in the latest report?
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February 27, 2016 7:34pm
Andrei

ACT doesn’t exist as a party any more Chuck – it was hijacked by Dan Brash and is now an annex of the National Party – a political manipulation of MMP
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February 27, 2016 7:43pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/urpeqfxtuahmqo4/Climate%20Crap%201A.jpg?dl=0
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February 27, 2016 7:53pm
Andrei

People – the Earth is a dynamic evolving system – it changes over time.

This is something that cannot be changed or stopped even if it is deemed by some to be desirable to do so

And anyone who thinks our political chattering classes can do anything to control it is frankly bonkers – they are for the most parts airheads who are good at talking but cannot even deal with everyday human problems like violence against children or kids leaving school after 12 years of education functionally illiterate

And large numbers who are scientifically illiterate as is evidenced by the contributions of the true believers on this thread
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February 27, 2016 7:54pm
sooty

Penny banging on about America, while Auckland burns her votes! Dillusional as usual.
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February 27, 2016 7:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@blazeoflight 6:31

wrt this week’s Nature Climate Change paper on the hiatus/slowdown

The significance of this paper is that most of its authors are IPCC authors.
Before the Paris conference the “consensus” was that the hiatus didn’t exist (based on one paper by Karl et al , 2015, NOAA)

This paper is singing a different story… saying that there was a slowdown in global climate during the period when CO2 levels kept on increasing.
Anyway…. doesn’t look like settled science to me…

Follow the comments on the paper on Judith Curry’s site
https://judithcurry.com/2016/02/24/nature-making-sense-of-the-early-2000s-warming-slowdown/#more-21204
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February 27, 2016 8:08pm
Brigitte

Andrei,

We can change the earth & climate and we can then fix the problem. Suggest you look at CFCs (ozone layer hole) for a real example.
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February 27, 2016 8:11pm
calendar girl

The world is going quite mad.

Now we have Auckland Mayoralty Candidate, Penny Bright, using the relative sanctuary afforded by Kiwiblog to run interference in the GoP’s candidate selection process.

Is this really happening, or is it me who is teetering on the edge?
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February 27, 2016 8:16pm
Andrei

Suggest you look at CFCs (ozone layer hole) for a real example.

That was a con Brigitte – I know it is accepted wisdom but the so called ozone hole was undetectable by science until the seventies and so there is no knowledge of how it behaved prior to this!

Like every system on this planet its size varies depending on the time of year and its greatest extent for any year varies from year to year

Years when it is large the chicken littles have a field day wailing doom and years when it is small the chicken littles cite it as a success story for Government control of the climate – the old heads I win tails you lose arguments deployed by would be climate interventionists

Meanwhile we use more expensive chlorine contain compounds in place of CFCs and the chemical company shareholders enjoy bigger dividends
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February 27, 2016 8:28pm
pentwig

Brigitte,

“In my opinion, climate change is “settled” because of point 1 above.”

Are you sure you are not the parrot kea?

Such tedious remarks come from Stephie, Milkmaid and now you.

Bloody socialist trolls.

Go to greenblog. They will adore you.
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February 27, 2016 8:28pm
Viking2

Chuck Bird (6,094 comments) says:
February 27th, 2016 at 7:34 pm

ACT wants to pay David Bain and Seymour does not care if he is guilty. ACT used to be a party tough on crime – particularly violent crime. Seymour has been following Donald Trump and think he can say what he want without engaging his brain. Are there any ACT supporters who favour paying Bain our money without waiting to see what is in the latest report?
==============================

Well we have a choice. Pay him out or continue forever with the saga.
Pay him and let it be done.

It ain’t going away otherwise and taxpayers are the ones getting bitten. Who knows what the truth really is? Many think they do.
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February 27, 2016 8:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@pentwig

Kea would never have advanced Brigette’s argument.
They are not the same people.
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February 27, 2016 8:35pm
Viking2

Who watched one news tonight.
Katie was reporting from the ACT conference and later from the studio.

Never do I ever recall seeing her so excited. Her eyes were bright and her expression was one of absolute emotional joy and excitment.

Was it the conference or has she found an new man that floats her boat?

Nice to see.

And I like her reporting.
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February 27, 2016 8:36pm
Viking2

0 – 150 in under 4 seconds

“You never surprise me” a woman moaned to her long suffering husband.

“Buy me a surprise for my birthday. Something that accelerates from 0 to 150 in under 4 seconds, … and I’d prefer a blue one!, she hinted.

Happy and excited she was counting down the days for her birthday.

And finally she got the beautiful present her husband had thoughtfully chosen for her …

He’s dead now …. but he died a legend.

http://screencast.com/t/7LQPetXr
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February 27, 2016 8:39pm
Shawn Herles

Penny is a Bernie Sanders fan.

Nuff said.
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February 27, 2016 8:40pm
Andrei

Shawn Herles is a Pindo

Nuff said
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February 27, 2016 8:41pm
Brigitte

@pentwig,

Would a socialist go to a “greenblog” when they say (my comment at 3:20pm):

“My biggest concern is that facts don’t change (that’s not the concern – the climate facts are though). And the only party with climate change policies is the Greens. Think about what that means when we need to do something about climate change. We should be making business friendly climate change policies. Perhaps ACT might just come to the party.”

The Greens are the last party that I’d want running the country (ok, of those in parliament).
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February 27, 2016 8:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The ozone hole is still there… bigger than ever…. but hey, why aren’t we caring more about it?
http://research.noaa.gov/News/NewsArchive/LatestNews/TabId/684/ArtMID/1768/ArticleID/11409/Annual-Antarctic-Ozone-Hole-Larger-and-Formed-Later-in-2015.aspx

The mission has been accomplished…… Big business (Dupont?/ Dow chemicals?) made money from their CFC substitute.
In 2070 we will find out whether Ozone holes are natural phenomena.
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February 27, 2016 8:42pm
starboard

Sorry Viking, cant share your enthusiasm there, every time I see Katie Bradford I see her piggy fat loud mouthed mother..and you know what daughters turn into later on ..dont you ?
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February 27, 2016 8:44pm
Viking2

My Dear Friend,

Your application to join our online dating agency has been REJECTED.

One of the questions we asked on the application was: ‘What is it that you like most in a woman?’

‘My dick’ is not an appropriate answer.

Thank you for your interest.

Here is a classic example: They are blessed in Australia to have such an abundant wealth of talented story tellers through whom future generations can learn of their history and 21st century lifestyle. Here is a classic example:

A Poem about Tomatoes

I know a young Muslim whose name is Jim,
I really love throwing tomatoes at him,
Tomatoes are soft and don’t hurt the skin,
But these fuckers do, because they’re still in the tin.

The warmth and heart wrenching simplicity of Australian bush poetry can bring a tear to the eye.
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February 27, 2016 8:45pm
Andrei

Most people live and most industrial activity occurs in the Northern Hemisphere

And yet the Arctic Ozone hole is much smaller than the Antarctic one – the Antarctic which just happens to be centered over the most volcanic region on earth which is also the least studied one (for logistical reasons)
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February 27, 2016 8:47pm
Shawn Herles

“Who watched one news tonight”

Cripes no.

“Katie was reporting from the ACT conference”

They still bother having those? ACT is under 1% in the polls, and the current leader has done zilch to grow the party. It’s a useful anchor for National, but it’s dead as a party.
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February 27, 2016 8:47pm
Manolo

Anything goes: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/doors-gop-consulting-independent-219859

Conservative donors have engaged a major GOP consulting firm in Florida to research the feasibility of mounting a late, independent run for president amid growing fears that Donald Trump could win the Republican nomination.
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February 27, 2016 8:47pm
Brigitte

Maggie, yes t he ozone layer declined after a big jump in recovery in 2012. Still a lot better than the minimum and still seems to be recovering albeit slowly.
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February 27, 2016 8:49pm
Chuck Bird

“Well we have a choice. Pay him out or continue forever with the saga.”

Viking your opinion is shared by a few high profile people in the media. You all are entitled to that opinion even if it is not right or logical. I do not know what is in the report and I assume the only ones who know are those in government and Bain fan club who are probably the ones leaked the report. The government has the discretion to reject compensation and the saga will not go on forever.

However, while it is okay for anyone particularly anonymous individuals to say we just pay him to shut him and his supporters up it is not okay for the leader of a party in Parliament to suggest such a payout without any sort of process. I quote Seymour from his FB page below.

The report says compensate so the government finds a former Aussie judge who’d previously been investigated in connection with abuse of court process to write a new report.

In one sentence he attacks the integrity of at least one Cabinet Minister and the Judge from Oz who has been paid about $400k of taxpayer’s money to write the report. He suggests we bin the report and just oil the squeaky wheel with Other Peoples Money. I thought the reason ACT was formed was about speeding other peoples money and he says pays some by Seymour’s own words may be one of New Zealand’s worse mass killers.

I suggest Seymour get in touch with Mike Hosking and a few others and start a Givealittle page for Bain.
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February 27, 2016 9:03pm
Viking2

For the older ladies.
http://www.ba-bamail.com/video.aspx?emailid=16030

More excitement for them
http://www.ba-bamail.com/video.aspx?emailid=18988
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February 27, 2016 9:04pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Just quietly, i reckon Penny would consider rooting Donald Trump, i think she’s fascinated !~

So how might the pillow talk go?

Penny: Donald, yoo hoo sweetie, voters want to see your tax returns
The Don: [Silent]
Penny: Open your books, Donald!
The Don: [Silent]
Penny: And I need to see your company records, Donald, down to the last dollar!
The Don: [Gets dressed and leaves]
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February 27, 2016 9:07pm
Viking2

Civilization at the end of 2015 – this is priceless!!!

• Our Phones – Wireless

• Cooking – Fireless

• Cars – Keyless

• Food – Fatless

• Tires –Tubeless

• Youth – Jobless

• Leaders – Shameless

• Relationships – Meaningless

• Attitudes – Careless

• Babies – Fatherless

• Feelings – Heartless

• Children – Mannerless

We are SPEECHLESS,

Government is CLUELESS,

And our Politicians are WORTHLESS!

I’m scared – Shitless!
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February 27, 2016 9:08pm
nasska

Paul was ambling through a crowded street fair when he decided to stop and sit at a Palm Reader’s table. Said the mysterious old woman, “For fifteen dollars, I can read your love line and tell your romantic future.”
Paul readily agreed and the reader took one look at his open palm and said, “I can see that you have no girlfriend.”
“That’s true,” said Paul.
“Oh my goodness, you are extremely lonely, aren’t you?”
“Yes,” Paul shamefully admitted. “That’s amazing. Can you tell all of this from my love line?”
“Love line? No, from the calluses and blisters.”
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February 27, 2016 9:09pm
Viking2

Kepp paying your taxes Chuck and pay some for me. I see no reason to waste millions more flogging a dead hosrse.

Like the Bay Iwi who are going to appeal the Rena decision. Wasting other peoples money.

Thats what ACT don’t particularly like.
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February 27, 2016 9:12pm
nasska

I’m usually fairly parsimonious when it comes to other people spending my money V2 but in the Bain case I’d be happy to foot the bill for my share of whatever it takes to ensure that the bludger never profits from what he did.
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February 27, 2016 9:15pm
Viking2

For you oldies.
http://safeshare.tv/w/FEDEwZHZXu
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February 27, 2016 9:16pm
blazeoflight

O Maggie…

The great pretender…

She posts links that disprove her thesis, yet claims to know better than every single…every single… official scientific body in the whole world (maybe except for Zimbabwe – or as Maggie would call it, Rhodesia).

Modernity is not a problem for our Maggie; she dwells in the Dark Ages, still.
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February 27, 2016 9:18pm
stephieboy

Andrei , according to this NASA and other link ,the Arctic ozone hole is about the same size a the Antarctic ,

http://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/NH.html

plus,

http://www.theozonehole.com/arcticozone.htm
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February 27, 2016 9:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@blaze of light

yet claims to know better than every single

This is the 2nd personal attack by you against me tonight.
(the first one… when you stated that I presume to know better than other climate scientists)

You don’t know me from a bar of soap.
You may be unaware that I have been the subject of over 20 personal and defamatory attacks on KB.
Don’t get involved…
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February 27, 2016 9:23pm
Chuck Bird

Viking, if the government decides not to pay Bain anything how will it cost the taxpayer?

ACT is now somewhat like Trump and his fan club. He can do anything and they will support him. The difference is that Trump will probably be the GOP candidate. ACT is destined to have one MP until National is not in power and then ACT will be history.

You mentioned Bay iwi. Should any payment be decided on the amount of noise they make or pressure from the Maori Party or on the merits of their claim?
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February 27, 2016 9:27pm
nasska

….”You may be unaware that I have been the subject of over 20 personal and defamatory attacks on KB.”….

Laugh them off Maggy. Never give the bastards the satisfaction of rising to their bait.
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February 27, 2016 9:32pm
Andrei

Andrei , according to this NASA and other link ,the Arctic ozone hole is about the same size a the Antarctic

I don’t see anywhere in either link that claim being made which is not surprising because its not true – though the ozone hole size varies according to the season so the Arctic hole will be at its maximum extent when the Antarctic is at its minimum roughly speaking

There is also an ozone hole that forms over Tibet and they have been observed over volcanic eruptions like Pinatubo

Where they are not seen is over regions of large industrial activity which if it was mankind really responsible is where you should see them you would think

In any case there is no data before 1979 so there is no way of knowing how they behaved before the advent of industrial chlorine chemistry
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February 27, 2016 9:36pm
Shawn Herles

Maggy, when people like blaze and Griff make personal attacks, take it as an admission by them that they have lost the debate.

Blaze is just throwing a hissy fit that you have punctured one of her Lefty dogmas.
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February 27, 2016 9:39pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Never give the bastards the satisfaction of rising to their bait.

I shudder to think what Colin Craig would do if he knew what many Kiwibloggers have written about him. He might write two love poems in record time!
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February 27, 2016 9:40pm
nasska

After reading his first effort Nostra I doubt that he has another two poems left in him.

He peaked too early! 🙂
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February 27, 2016 9:42pm
nasska

A very religious man lived right next door to an atheist. While the religious one prayed day in, day out, and was constantly on his knees in communion with his Lord, the atheist never even looked twice at a church.
The atheist’s life was good, he had a well-paying job and a beautiful wife, and his children were healthy and good-natured, whereas the pious man’s job was strenuous and his wages were low, his wife was getting fatter every day and his kids wouldn’t give him the time of the day.
So one day, deep in prayer, the religious man raised his eyes towards heaven and asked, “Oh God, I honor you every day, I ask your advice for every problem and confess to you my every sin. Yet my neighbor, who doesn’t even believe in you and certainly never prays, seems blessed with every happiness, while I go poor and suffer many an indignity. Why is this?”
And a great voice was heard from above, “Because he doesn’t fucking keep bothering me all the time!”
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February 27, 2016 9:44pm
stephieboy

Andrei, never mind the cause at this stage the facts there is an Arctic Ozone hole about the same size as the southern one . Contrary to your claims NASA has a reasonably good idea what caused them if you take the trouble and look for them in the link.

Could you link your claim about Tibet ?

Shawn Herles , possibly your sensitivity about the climate change debate might be a theological one ,

Genesis 1:26-28

and Rep. John Shimkus: God decides when the earth will end,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7h08RDYA5E
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February 27, 2016 9:57pm
Andrei

Arctic Ozone hole about the same size as the southern one

And the moon is made of green cheese Stephieboy…..
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February 27, 2016 10:00pm
Captain Mainwaring

Penny Dimwit.
For Christ’s sake stop pretending that you can solve all the world’s problems and get on with organising a credible Mayoral campaign.
Oh wait, you couldn’t organise a mad-hatters’ tea party even if you were the main character.
…………And pay your rates.

Captain Mainwaring
Not 2016 Mayoral candidate for anywhere.
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February 27, 2016 10:06pm
Don the Kiwi

Fat too much stress and argy bargy here tonite.

Time to relax with a great song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9gLjEGJrw
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February 27, 2016 10:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Stephieboy
There is nothing like Antarctica’s ozone hole over the Arctic.

The main researcher on Ozone hole chemistry – Susan Solomon went looking for one…..
check out her paper
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/17/6220.full
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February 27, 2016 10:23pm
starboard

One of me favourites..fantastic

https://youtu.be/9vST6hVRj2A
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