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stigie

Or we may just see Mad Dad come back in to the fold to do a few rounds with the boys perhaps..?
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February 24, 2016 12:06pm
stephieboy

All_on_Red, as I indicated at least in public life most do not appear to be segregated .and of course are required to observe our laws regarding women ‘s rights etc.

I do recall in Synagogues men and women were segregated and this till rains the case with orthodox congregations . Is that OK with you ?. It could be where Mahomet might of got the issued from.

What on earth were you doing at the meeting in the first place ? Clandestine nosing on behalf of Jihad Watch or SIS ? Suitably disguised for the occasion ?

http://www.everyculture.com/images/ctc_04_img1027.jpg
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February 24, 2016 12:06pm
thedavincimode

Bureaucrat refers generically to anyone working in a bureaucracy – an enterprise broken into a series of specific positions, or offices. This there are private sector and public sector bureaucracies. A civil servant is an employee of the civil authority.

milky, “troughers” is a more convenient description as it as it obviates the distinction to which you refer.
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February 24, 2016 12:09pm
Shawn Herles

I doubt stephie has even visited a mosque, or read the Quran. His claims to know everything about the Muslim community in NZ seem to be based on passing a Muslim on the street or in a park and then having a conversation with himself in his head.

His latest was seeing a women in a full burqa at a park and then claiming on KB that it was obvious she would integrate into NZ society, and we were all just meanies for having any concerns.

I don’t mean this as an insult, simply as an observation, but there is something very infantile in the way stephie thinks through issues, and how he expresses himself here.
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February 24, 2016 12:09pm
thedavincimode

Unlikely stigie.

He’ll be flat stick with summer shoe sales to make way for the winter stock. I imagine any spare time in the evenings will be spent in Hagley Park before the cool nights set in.
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February 24, 2016 12:14pm
mikenmild

DVM
It is important to get the distinctions correct: bureaucrat. civil servant, functionary, jobsworth, apparatchik, flunky, pencil-pusher, desk-jockey – these are all specific terms which we should be careful to use in the correct context.
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February 24, 2016 12:14pm
thedavincimode

As I said milky, “troughers”. Some of the terms you refer to are applicable to the private sector. Using the term “troughers” makes the clear distinction between the private and public sectors.
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February 24, 2016 12:18pm
Manolo

You can go even further, Shawn.

stephieboy is a progressive who believes colonialism, capitalism, and the white man have ruined the lives of the dark and oppressed masses. Because of it, he has a profound guilt complex and feels obliged to atone by expressing solidarity with any (il)liberal cause he runs into.

His passion for Islam goes against what he was taught on gender equality at School of Women’s Studies at Waikato University, but the love of the prophet is stronger than any rational thought.
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February 24, 2016 12:21pm
Kimbo

@ srylands

I am lost for words.

From the same link:

“I am a state house boy … I got to live the Kiwi dream of having the state help my parents, who could not afford to buy their own house when I was young, and of having the support of Housing New Zealand to make sure that our family – my brothers and sisters – could live in a good house that was warm and dry … I got to be able to go to university and get qualifications so that at one stage of life I ended up in this place, so that I can stand up and protect the things that were important to me and my family.”
-Kris Faafoi

Proof confirming Faafoi’s memory he was there when the first state house was built:

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/the-first-state-house-savage
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February 24, 2016 12:25pm
Shawn Herles

“DPF’s patience was finally exhausted”

Not surprising. Kea lasted longer than anyone expected, but you could see the steam building in his head for days now. It was just a matter of time before kea blew a gasket.

He/she posted this last night on the Brownlee thread…

“Christchurch, even the name is blasphemous, has reaped what it sowed. An intolerant small minded racist town that has attracted the likes of Shawn. The first thing the LORD smote were the churches Christchurch pretended to honour him in.

It is an ignorant vile town and all those worthy of consideration have already left.”

…and I couldn’t help thinking that he was actively trying to get another strike.
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February 24, 2016 12:25pm
Lucia Maria

Apart from being the subject of the comment in question, I had nothing to do with Kea’s suspension.

And, I am disappointed that I won’t be sharing that wódka with her, at least not for lasting six months here without being booted.

What was it, nearly a month for Kea since re-entering the world of Kiwiblog? That has to be a record.

If Kea would like to contact me via email (luciamaria at outlook dot com), maybe we can catch up sometime anyway.
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February 24, 2016 12:25pm
Rachael Membery

Albert_Ross (822 comments) says:

February 24th, 2016 at 10:20 am

Actually I think it was a great expression of New Zealanders working together. I believe the Government was offered it and turned it down. I think it is a win win. There is so much that divides us, and politics gets in the way of so much and oft there is little to be thankful for. I wasn’t one that pledged but I can appreciate the delight of those that did.
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February 24, 2016 12:26pm
mikenmild

It was a nice thought from those that contributed, but it was not the kind of land normally added to the conservation estate, and now will be the responsibility of an already stretched DoC budget.
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February 24, 2016 12:28pm
dime

“It was a nice thought from those that contributed, but it was not the kind of land normally added to the conservation estate, and now will be the responsibility of an already stretched DoC budget.”

stiff shit. give dime 3 hours at their HQ and ill find a few people who dont need to be employed. problem solved.
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February 24, 2016 12:35pm
EAD

A truly amazing video from an American Patriot:

Lindbergh’s America: The Road not taken:

https://youtu.be/Pv7YP3_IagI
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February 24, 2016 12:36pm
Shawn Herles

” Look forward to a double helping of alligator shawn.”

Sorry to disappoint dvm, I know you’re a great fan of my work, but I have a crap load of overtime in the coming weeks, starting tonight, and I will likely be posting much less, if at all.

But your support is greatly appreciated! 🙂
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February 24, 2016 12:37pm
mikenmild

Lindbergh: Nazi apologist – lucky not to get locked up in WWII.
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February 24, 2016 12:38pm
pentwig

Milky I gave you another up tick for your 11.56. Good grief, twice in a week!! I’m either going mad or joyous re that pesky parrot.
As an aside, how do you know it was a male parrot?
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February 24, 2016 12:45pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, I’ve visited the Jama Masjid Mosque and another in my wife’s hometown of Mangalore South India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jama_Masjid,_Delhi

I take it you have done likewise and are fully and knowledgeably versed in the Koran ? Or is it typically second hand off the cuff pieces of hysterical hatred gleaned from your favoured web sites like Pamela Geller

That women in the park was ? , As I stated ,an example of how tolerant my neighbour hood i thank goodness not having apparel Nazis like you around telling people what to wear or spreading their gospel of hate !
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February 24, 2016 12:49pm
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

”Lindbergh: Nazi apologist – lucky not to get locked up in WWII.

Nope. An isolationist but not a Nazi…and certainly no more racist than most white Americans in the 1930s! Isolationism was prevalent and the natural default setting in the US until Pearl Harbour. And not any more deluded/wrong after the event than George Bernard Shaw and HG Wells and others in the “Stalin’s fools” class.

Even a “conspiratorial anti-Semite” like Henry Ford (who incongruously and incredibly couldn’t understand why Jewish people he met and interacted with him had a problem with his views! Maybe EAD and Reid exhibit the same psychological blind spot) wasn’t even necessarily pro-Nazi – although he did good business out of them…including during the war!
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February 24, 2016 12:56pm
starboard

LOL makes me laugh when the fuel companies tell us how tight their margins are and there’s no money in fuel…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/77221614/refineries-not-fuel-buyers-benefiting-from-low-oil-prices

..who owns the refinery at Marsden Point ?

They clip the ticket all the way through the process…

Roll on electric cars..
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February 24, 2016 12:59pm
Albert_Ross

Actually I think it was a great expression of New Zealanders working together … I think it is a win win.

“New Zealanders working together” – to achieve what, exactly?

“A win win” – who exactly has won what?

DOC have paid money that they would probably have preferred to pay for something else, for something they didn’t particularly want and are now burdened with the responsibility for. They are clear losers.

Public access (to a place that hardly anybody went to anyway) is now guaranteed – but apparently public access already was guaranteed, under the District Coastal Plan. So there’s no actual gain to anybody there.

The previous owners have made upwards of $2 million, which is what they wanted, but they are no better off than if they’d sold the land for a similar amount to somebody else. So no actual gain there either – unless you believe that nobody else would have paid as much, in which case the previous owners are indeed big winners; but in that case everybody else is a big loser.

A large number of people have paid money. In return they get precisely nothing that they wouldn’t have got anyway. They may think that they are winners, but it is objectively difficult to see how.

What benefits have I missed that make this a win-win?
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February 24, 2016 1:00pm
kowtow

srylands

Labour and kiwi dreams. Ironic there’s an ad for lotto going with that story. Unearned wealth , isn’t it marvellous!

Now that Cunners is talking all personal about not owning a house , how come , did the Mrs throw him out and why?

Can’t have your cake and eat it.

Why is he a sad single renter at the mercy of the evil property owning landlord class?
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February 24, 2016 1:04pm
mikenmild

Kimbo
Lindbergh too was an anti-Semite. His friend Henry Ford even complained that ‘the Jews’ were all Lindbergh would talk about!
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February 24, 2016 1:04pm
Shawn Herles

“I take it you have done likewise and are fully and knowledgeably versed in the Koran ?”

Yes, I have visited the Chch mosque, and I have read the Quran from cover to cover three times. I have also studied Islamic theology and the basics of Islamic beliefs at Uni.

How about you? 🙂
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February 24, 2016 1:07pm
stephieboy

This view about Charles Lindbergh is balanced and gets it about right,

Charles Lindbergh, the Nazis and American isolationism

6 June 2013 Last updated at 19:05 BST

Charles Lindbergh is best known for being the first person to fly solo nonstop across the Atlantic in 1927. He earned more tragic notoriety a few years later when his son was kidnapped and killed in a case that gripped the US.

What many Americans forget is the central role Lindbergh played in the isolationist movement in the years leading up to the US entry into World War II.Lindbergh, Nazis and US isolationism

Author Lynne Olson argues that is because we tend to focus on what happened after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor when the “greatest generation” fought what is looked back on as “the good war”.

In Those Angry Days she shows how divided America was between 1939-41, calling the political debate over the US role in the war the most violent of the 20th Century.

While President Franklin Roosevelt wanted to intervene to help the British in the fight against Germany, Lindbergh championed the isolationist cause.

Although Lindbergh was unashamedly pro-German and an anti-Semite, Olson told the BBC he was no Nazi sympathiser.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22684773

For my part I think Lindbergh was bit naive . He of course reflected many popular views of the time including e.g notions about eugenics which were accepted by a wide variety of people of a number of political persuasions .Many also saw a great hope and sympathy in a revived Germany

But he certainly didn’t deserved to be hijacked by EAD and other Neo Nazis .
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February 24, 2016 1:10pm
Shawn Herles

The insanity of multiculturalism…

Gynecologists: Anti-FGM laws “culturally insensitive and supremacist”

“Gynecologists Kavita Shah Arora and Allan Jacobs are monstrous moral relativists who are, under the rubric of multiculturalism, aiding and abetting the Sharia subjugation and dehumanization of women. They probably congratulate themselves as great champions of women’s rights: they even here justify the mutilation of a woman’s genitals, which is done in order to remove her capacity to experience sexual pleasure and make her easier to control, by saying that to forbid this mutilation is “culturally insensitive and supremacist and discriminatory towards women.””

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/gynecologists-anti-fgm-laws-culturally-insensitive-and-supremacist
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February 24, 2016 1:12pm
Shawn Herles

Brooklyn: Muslim wounds two cops in shootout

How do they know he is “self-radicalized”? What mosque does Jamal Funes attend? Has anyone investigated that mosque? Or would that be “Islamophobic”?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/brooklyn-muslim-wounds-two-cops-in-shootout
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February 24, 2016 1:14pm
Shawn Herles

FAKED HATE: MUSLIM CHARGED with ANTI-MUSLIM BOMB Threat to Dearborn High School

“Here we go again.

As the media, Obama administration and leftists professors hand-wring and warn us of growing islamofauxbia, another “anti-Muslim” hate crime that had the enemedia screaming bloody murder turns out be another faked hate crime by a Muslim woman. This is a pattern. The majority of “anti-Muslim” hate is committed by Muslims.”

http://pamelageller.com/2016/02/faked-hate-muslim-charged-with-anti-muslim-bomb-threat-to-dearborn-high-school.html/
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February 24, 2016 1:16pm
Andrei

This is interesting – I wonder how it will play out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thwbo2qrFxE
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February 24, 2016 1:18pm
Shawn Herles

In Praise of Christian Walls

” “A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian,” Pope Francis declared on his flight back to Rome last week.The political implications of his statement have been considered in some detail in recent days, but his assertion also needs to be examined in the light of history.

Had it not been for the walls, strongly built and staunchly defended, Christendom would not have survived the onslaught of Islam in its thousand-year-long period of military expansion. Two prominent examples come from the final two centuries of that period: the sieges of Vienna in 1529 and 1683. The first marked an important early check on Turkish advances, after a century of conquest in the Balkans and Central Europe. The second saved Europe and finally turned the tide. German, Hungarian, Polish, and other defenders of the walls of Vienna were Christian warriors par excellence. During the second siege the city was saved thanks to an alliance between the Holy Roman Empire and the Kingdom of Poland, which was brokered at the last minute by Pope Innocent XI. In thanksgiving for the victory at Vienna on September 12, 1683, Pope Innocent fixed that date as the Feast of the Holy Name of Mary.”

https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/in-praise-of-christian-walls/
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February 24, 2016 1:19pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles ,

“Yes, I have visited the Chch mosque, and I have read the Quran from cover to cover three times. I have also studied Islamic theology and the basics of Islamic beliefs at University .”

Wow!

Well it certainly does not show it in your hate filled posts . If everything the direct opposite of any attempt at a dispassionate , scholarly and reasoned analysis about the religion .

BTW did you study at Liberty University ?

Christian Walls ?Any thoughts about why” Christian ” Britain and France allied itself with the Islamic Ottomans during the Crimean War against “Christian” Russia or Islamic Turkey recognising Israel 1949 ?
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February 24, 2016 1:20pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
This is what you said at 10.45 regarding segregation within the Muslim community.
“Certainly not true in NZ”

Then you say this after you are proved wrong.
“All_on_Red, as I indicated at least in public life most do not appear to be segregated”
“Most”? “Do not appear”? It was a PUBLIC meeting they were segregated at.
Once again we see from you this habit of completing disownng your own words. And as others have pointed out, you also twist others words and attach things they have NEVER said to them.
It’s a pretty shitty trick and is a low form of debate.
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February 24, 2016 1:24pm
Shawn Herles

“Well it certainly does not show it in your hate filled posts .”

The truth is never hateful stephie. It’s just the truth.

“If everything the direct opposite of any attempt at a dispassionate , scholarly and reasoned analysis about the religion .”

I think you mean ‘if anything’ and usually the full stop comes directly after the last letter.

“BTW did you study at Liberty University ?”

Otago. 🙂
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February 24, 2016 1:27pm
Shawn Herles

May the Rising Generation Redeem the Time: By Russell Kirk.

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2015/07/may-rising-generation-redeem-time-timeless.html
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February 24, 2016 1:30pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
Just noticed this
“What on earth were you doing at the meeting in the first place ? Clandestine nosing on behalf of Jihad Watch or SIS ? Suitably disguised for the occasion ?”
Not that it’s any of your business but I help a Charitable Trust which does affordable housing and they were talking about it.As for the rest of your comment that’s just fucking insulting.

Edit- I see 11 people down ticked that comment. I ask you all to go back and press “report abusive comment” – after 10 it will go through
Thanks
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February 24, 2016 1:34pm
stephieboy

All on Red, couldn’t make out your garble . But suffice to say gender separation is not an exclusively an Islamic issue as my flowing link shows ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_separation_in_Judaism

And gender equality is certainly not an issue with e.g my Shia Iranian neighbours who like great may other Muslims in Auckland and NZ don’t follow their former religion and happily accept the conventions and customs of our society on gender equality etc !

Shawn Herles, when it comes to Muslims show me examples of you sowing the gospel of love and understanding towards them ??

Otago ? Well who would of thought !
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February 24, 2016 1:35pm
dime

“..who owns the refinery at Marsden Point ?

They clip the ticket all the way through the process…

Roll on electric cars..”

If we all went electric tomorrow, how would the glorious government replace their lost revenue from petrol tax?

tolls everywhere? on the roads we already paid for?
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February 24, 2016 1:37pm
Manolo

Well who would of thought!

Even a non-native speaker of English like myself can distinguish between this atrocity and Well, who would’ve thought!
Further proof stephieboy is intellectually handicapped.
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February 24, 2016 1:43pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
I recently got an email from DPF saying you’ve been warned for your smearing. Did you understand his “garble”?
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February 24, 2016 1:44pm
Captain Mainwaring

“Now that Cunners is talking all personal about not owning a house , how come , did the Mrs throw him out and why?”

I thought the reason for this was reasonably well known amongst those who keep their ear to the ground, but obviously I can’t mention it here because I haven’t seen it on a press release from the Labour Party.
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February 24, 2016 1:51pm
starboard

Anybody else think Gareth Morgan is a fully complete dick ?….
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February 24, 2016 2:00pm
mikenmild

Update on the UN possibly moving away from the failed ‘war on drugs’:
http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/ungass-and-the-drug-free-world-illusion/
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February 24, 2016 2:06pm
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

Kimbo
Lindbergh too was an anti-Semite. His friend Henry Ford even complained that ‘the Jews’ were all Lindbergh would talk about!

People said the same about Bobby Fischer and he was (or at least ended up) a virulent anti-Semite…and he was also Jewish! Mind you he did manage to get his entry removed from the Encyclopaedia Judaica:

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Fischer's_open_letter_to_Encyclopaedia_Judaica

Gentlemen:
Knowing what I do about Judaism, I was naturally
distressed to see that you erroneously featured me
as a Jew in ENCYCLOPAEDIA JUDAICA. Please do not make
this mistake again in any future editions of your
voluminous, pseudo-authoritative publication. I am not
today, nor have I ever been a Jew, and as a matter of
fact, I am uncircumcised.
I suggest rather than fraudulently misrepresenting me
to be a Jew, and dishonestly abusing my name and
reputation as a kind of advertising gimmick to improve
the image of your religion (Judaism), you try to
promote your religion on its own merits–if indeed it
has any!
In closing, I trust that I am not being unrealistically
optimistic, in thanking you in advance for your
anticipated cooperation in this matter.
Truly yours,

Bobby Fischer
The World Chess Champion

But back to Lindbergh – plenty of Americans with a natural low-level anti-Semitic Isolationist default setting thought a Jewish banking conspiracy was trying to draw them into a war with Germany in the late 1930s/early 1940s. Henry Ford had said the same thing about the Great War. Doesn’t make them right. Or even reprehensible in all their dealings. Just people of their time, exhibiting all the character flaws of human folly.

“The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there”.
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February 24, 2016 2:10pm
mikenmild

Sure, anti-Semitism has been fairly popular from time to time. Still is, with some Kiwibloggers.
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February 24, 2016 2:12pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

The NZ Horrid has a piece of fluff today…….Who should host Survivor New Zealand? Here are some ideas …

The horrid ideas were pretty boring. I would suggest: Kim Dotcom, Winston Peters, Andrew Krukziener
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February 24, 2016 2:46pm
thedavincimode

Mickey

You’ve left out the troughing dinosaurs amongst liebour’s parliamentarians.
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February 24, 2016 3:02pm
Fletch

The greatest Arabic poet says that Islam cannot be modernised.

Adunis Asbar, known by his pen name Adonis, is a Syrian-born writer often considered one of the greatest living poets of the Arabic language. He has come under criticism for comments he made recently about Islam before receiving the Erich Maria Remarque Peace Prize, named after the famous pacifist and author of the classic World War One novel ‘All Quiet on the Western Front’.

In an interview with Die Welt he talked about one of the most pressing issues in Germany since the migrant crisis began, the idea of being able to integrate migrants from predominately Muslim countries into European societies.

Being raised a Muslim himself and having one of the greatest understandings of the language of the Quran, Adonis said: “You can not reform a religion. If they are reformed, [the original meaning] is separated from it. Therefore, modern Muslims and a modern Islam is already impossible. If there is no separation between religion and state, there will be no democracy especially without equality for women. Then we will keep a theocratic system. So it will end.”

Laying down a heavy critique of the Islamic world, he added: “Arabs have no more creative force. Islam does not contribute to intellectual life, it suggests no discussion. It is no longer thought. It produces no thinking, no art, no science, no vision that could change the world. This repetition is the sign of its end. The Arabs will continue to exist, but they will not make the world better.”

Adonis adds that Islam is based on “a totalitarian system” where “religion dictates everything: How to run, how to go to the toilet, who one has to love.”

http://tundratabloids.com/2016/02/worlds-greatest-arabic-poet-says-islam-cant-be-modernized/
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February 24, 2016 3:04pm
thedavincimode

Anybody ~~else~~ think Gareth Morgan isn’t a fully complete dick ?….

Fixed that for you starbo.
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February 24, 2016 3:04pm
thedavincimode

rylands

Did cunners mention whether he was further inconvenienced by the landlord requiring him to take all the mirrors and photos of himself down for the open homes?
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February 24, 2016 3:09pm
Stars And Stripes

Amnesty International Report: NZ poor on spying, Maori development and refugees
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/77216241/amnesty-international-report-nz-poor-on-spying-maori-development-and-refugees

The lefties at Amnesty are at it again pushing their favourite political barrows with full gusto.
Frankly if this all these sticky beaks can find which is supposedly wrong then we are doing fantastic I reckon.
Probably my favourite breach of human rights according to Amnesty out of this whole report however is out “token refugee intake”.
Yes anything short of 5 – 10 million and it’s not good enough in their eyes.
Oh well the report might make a good door stop around the home for someone anyway.
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February 24, 2016 3:16pm
holysheet

I thought Silent T was shacked up with katey Bradford?
If not, that would have been the shortest shack up ever.
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February 24, 2016 3:22pm
stephieboy

Fletch , I don’t know about that Arabic Poet but in my neighbourhood I have living proof that Muslims can modernise, assimilate and become secularised just like former Christians and church attendees like myself .
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February 24, 2016 3:23pm
stephieboy

Manolo, and who would of thought , an import from the world’s largest Muslim nation ? Did your local Imam do something horrible to you when you were a child ?
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February 24, 2016 3:27pm
Shawn Herles

The Refugee Hostel: Germany’s Islamist Hell: A terrifying glimpse into Germany’s future.

” Violence in refugee centers became a national topic in Germany last October, only weeks after Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel invited into Europe one million, mainly Muslim, refugees. But exposure of this disgraceful situation appears to have had little effect, as German newspapers are reporting this month that conditions remain unchanged.

In fact, life in German refugee hostels has now become so unbearable thatreligious minorities, women traveling alone or with children, and homosexuals are fleeing their accommodations. For them, according to one paper, the word “hostel” has become synonymous with ‘”defenselessness”.

The constant harassment and mistreatment at the hands of Muslim male refugees is not only becoming intolerable and dangerous, but, for some, life-threatening.

“Torn bibles and insults, ripped off crosses and even blows to the face, the complaints about violence in the refugee centers do not let up,” the German newspaper, Die Welt, stated recently.

According to Rainer Wendt, chairman of the German Police Union, outbreaks of violence in German refugee centers were occurring before last August. In the first six months of 2015, police were called out 1,288 times to refugee asylums and registered 499 crimes. One problem is definitely the overcrowding, Wendt said, but there are also “knallharte” (very brutal) criminal structures among the refugees.

Most violent incidents occur between Muslims themselves. They form groups, Wendt says, according to “ethnicity, religion or clan structure and go at one another with knives and self-made weapons.” And the fights, which can involve dozens on each side, concern “power struggles” and are “above all, religious or politically motivated.” Numerous violent disputes have ended in death.

“Here the Sunnis fight the Shiites, there are Salafists of different brands …women are forced to wear the veil. Men are forced to pray. Islamists want to install their values and order there,” said Wendt.

But among the mistreated minority groups, one is especially targeted for abuse: Muslim converts to Christianity. Many are from Iran and Afghanistan where Christians are a persecuted minority and Islamic law demands that they be put to death for leaving the faith.

One human rights organization official says the chances of a Muslim convert to Christianity, unwilling to hide his faith, being subjected to violence or mobbing in a refugee center is “nearly 100 percent.” And the situation is only going to get worse.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261920/refugee-hostel-germanys-islamist-hell-stephen-brown
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February 24, 2016 3:28pm
Shawn Herles

“stephieboy (10,073 comments) says:
February 24th, 2016 at 3:27 pm

Manolo, and who would of thought , an import from the world’s largest Muslim nation ? Did your local Imam do something horrible to you when you were a child ?”

Comments like that are just sick and totally unnecessary stephie. Grow up.
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February 24, 2016 3:32pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, can frontage’s Stephen Brown actually source his claims about this Islamic hell ?? There didn’t appear to be any links etc ??
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February 24, 2016 3:32pm
Lance

I am sad I missed Kea’s ‘bums rush’ live

Still it is quietly satisfying to see the plonker banned for a year.

Has anyone ever been lifetime banned?
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February 24, 2016 3:33pm
Stars And Stripes

Stephie – what you need to realise is that Mt Roskill is not typical of New Zealand and never will be.
It was pretty typical NZ pre 80’s but since that has turned into what some such as yourself think is the best thing since slice bread and others such as myself which think it is the worst thing that can happen in NZ.
Regardless of how much you see around you which impresses you the reality is that traditional NZer’s have abandoned the area in droves because they feel foreign living there now and are not comfortable residing in an area where they have nothing in common with the other residents.
A person with your sort of beliefs is the only type which could survive in this kind of environment because most can’t and that’s why they voted with their feet years ago.
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February 24, 2016 3:40pm
Shawn Herles

“but in my neighbourhood I have living proof that Muslims can modernise, assimilate and become secularised ”

Unless you can read minds, you have no proof at all. Your anecdotal stories of bumping in to the odd Muslim are not evidence of anything.

People thought the San Bernadino terrorists were nice people, until they murdered 14 innocents.
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February 24, 2016 3:43pm
mikenmild

Lance
I think under the previous regime there were some permanent bans, but Kea is the only one to get a year off since the strikes were introduced.
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February 24, 2016 3:46pm
mikenmild

There more relevant point would be to ask whether there was any evidence that Muslims in New Zealand presented any kid of threat.
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February 24, 2016 3:47pm
Shawn Herles

ISIS terror links in New Zealand

“Considerable research from many people has gone into this story. The evidence of Kiwis involved with ISIS in New Zealand is alarming.

Given that worldwide the Islamic State is attracting widespread media attention, I write to bring your attention to a possible story on the rise and potential threat of Islamic extremism in New Zealand. John Key has been talking of sending SAS troops to fight ISIS and we have had what could be described as a veiled threat from one Muslim association and Key has mentioned there are some people in NZ who would want to fight for ISIS. John Hudson did a good job on a Sunday programme in shining a light on part of this story with the investigation into the former Black Power gang member turned Muslim extremist now called Haroon but there is much more to tell and to investigate.

The Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand has condemned the violence associated with ISIS but their statement fell short of condemning the ideology of ISIS or their enforced “infidel tax” (Jizya). The statement also seemed to suggest that allied forces fighting terrorism were just as abhorrent as the terrorists. Perhaps it is a stretch but it seems that the Muslim Community in NZ does not totally unreservedly reject the Islamic State and would embrace their goals of worldwide Shari’a law (though perhaps not through violence). What is more concerning is that there seem to be a group within NZ who would advocate for violence and would be willing to support IS.”

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/11/exclusive-isis-terror-links-new-zealand/
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February 24, 2016 3:53pm
Stars And Stripes

MM- “There more relevant point would be to ask whether there was any evidence that Muslims in New Zealand presented any kid of threat”

That is impossible to answer without a crystal ball but for me overseas experience indicates it is possible or even probable so I for one don’t want to take the risk just for the sake of NZ trying to be a goody goody on the world stage.
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February 24, 2016 3:53pm
Manolo

The Spectator on Trump: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/im-standing-up-for-trump/

We may not like him. We don’t have to. You don’t have to like the medicine you take but it might be the only way of curing the illness.
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February 24, 2016 3:55pm
Manolo

Andrei will enjoy this gem: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/farty-smelly-and-in-love-with-putin-you-must-be-middle-aged/

And then there is Vladimir Putin. Of all the things which strike at men when they are past the age at which women notice them, a fervid love for the Russian president is the strangest and apparently most ubiquitous. I have now lost count of the number of times I have been enjoying a drink with someone of my age group — male or female — and they have eventually leaned in towards me, glanced around to make sure nobody else is listening, and whispered: ‘Y’know, I’ve got an awful lot of time for Putin.
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February 24, 2016 3:56pm
buggar me

Private Mainswearing (959 comments) says:

February 24th, 2016 at 8:07 am

“How can Stonewood homes go bust? If they cannot survive in the midst of a building boom then how were they ever viable?”

My spies tell me that they thought that Rolleston was the future, they built lots of houses there on spec. and nobody wants to buy them.
Private Mainswearing (959 comments) says:

February 24th, 2016 at 8:07 am

“How can Stonewood homes go bust? If they cannot survive in the midst of a building boom then how were they ever viable?”

My spies tell me that they thought that Rolleston was the future, they built lots of houses there on spec. and nobody wants to buy them.

You keep on doing what you doing mate (being useless) because you don’t know what you are talking about.

Rolleston has had rapid growth and is a very desirable place to live, so I reckon you need to get a better spy.
Perhaps the Govt can recommend one of theirs ?
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February 24, 2016 4:13pm
Nostradamus

Buggar Me:

You keep on doing what you doing mate (being useless)

Speaking of being useless, Buggar Me, did you notice that you copied-and-pasted ~~Private Mainswearing’s~~ Captain Mainwaring’s comment twice (and didn’t attribute the original comment to wreck1080)?
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February 24, 2016 4:32pm
Captain Mainwaring

“Rolleston has had rapid growth and is a very desirable place to live, so I reckon you need to get a better spy.”

No I won’t buggar you, you idiot.
What you say about Rolleston may well be true, but is it still possible that Stonewood threw up more similarly-configured houses there than the immediate market could bear?
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February 24, 2016 4:37pm
Kimbo

@ Nostradamus

Speaking of being useless, Buggar Me, did you notice that you copied-and-pasted Private Mainswearing’s comment twice?

…and buggar me stakes a strong claim to big bruv’s coveted resident Kiwiblog Dunning–Kruger effect title!
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February 24, 2016 4:37pm
buggar me

No worries Snotradamus, I did that just to make sure some one like you noticed.

And it worked.
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February 24, 2016 4:39pm
buggar me

Captain Mainwaring (960 comments) says:

February 24th, 2016 at 4:37 pm

“Rolleston has had rapid growth and is a very desirable place to live, so I reckon you need to get a better spy.”

No I won’t buggar you, you idiot.
What you say about Rolleston may well be true, but is it still possible that Stonewood threw up more houses there than the immediate market would bear?

And you know this to be a fact ??

Or just another piece of your fiction ?
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February 24, 2016 4:42pm
Nostradamus

Kimbo:

You’ll appreciate Sproull’s Law:

Ryan Sproull (7,952 comments) says:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

Sproull’s Law already exists, my friend:

“Anyone correcting someone else’s spelling or grammar on the internet will inevitably make a spelling or grammatical mistake themselves in doing so.”

Mr Sproull has been known to visit Kiwiblog and hand out spot fines to people who break his law.
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February 24, 2016 4:42pm
Nostradamus

Buggar Me:

Snotradamus

Kiwiblog comments policy

Give other commenters the courtesy of referring to them by the name or alias they use on this blog.
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February 24, 2016 4:44pm
stigie

“No worries Snotradamus”

Sounds a bit like Dad under a new alias
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February 24, 2016 4:45pm
starboard

I can confirm Rolleston is a shithole. Right smack in the middle of nowhere. Norm Kirk kicked it off back in the early 70’s..” town of the future ” was the catch cry..we all called it town of the doomed. The only reason it has taken these past 5 years off is due to the Cant earthquakes, people wanted somewhere to live within 30 minutes drive of the city. There are no mountains there, nothing in the way of water, just flat boring land as far as the eye can see. Dull, Dull, Dull, bit like Botany in Akl.
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February 24, 2016 4:52pm
AgentBallSack

“….Has anyone ever been lifetime banned?”

Before the new comments policy came into effect, it was a lifetime ban to pretend to be DPF. From memory one person was permabanned under this rule. Of course the coming out as a liberal probably killed the poor fellows parents so a lifetime ban is generally preferable.
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February 24, 2016 4:58pm
starboard

six of one, half dozen the other TDM..
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February 24, 2016 5:00pm
AgentBallSack

Sorry this is to good not to post.
(My thoughts on Keas reaction to DPF revoking his commenting rights)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM8aBESf8EI
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February 24, 2016 5:05pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Buggar Me seems to be familiar with Rolleston – not sure if that extends to Rolleston Prison. But, my goodness, a person with a name like Buggar Me would be popular with the Hagley Park crowd on Friday nights!
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February 24, 2016 5:10pm
nasska

Will Dad be able to handle the competition Nostra? I can see a price war looming! 🙂
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February 24, 2016 5:15pm
Nostradamus

As long as it’s not a race to the bottom, if you know what I mean Nasska, they’ll be fine!
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February 24, 2016 5:17pm
Shawn Herles

Warning: Some of these videos are disturbing.

Videos of Muslim migrants attacking European women.

http://10news.dk/?p=2445

Multiculturalism is a lie.
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February 24, 2016 5:24pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xo43t2cl7aeucfh/Kea%2013.jpg?dl=0
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February 24, 2016 5:28pm
Nostradamus

Life in Paremoremo Prison can be challenging:

A prisoner behind an attack on a convicted murderer which left the victim with a broken arm and fractured skull says he is not sorry.

Stead Nuku, 23, and Nigel John Lake, 32, were locked up in maximum security D-block at Paremoremo Prison in July. During an hour-long exercise break, the pair launched a sustained assault against Nikki Roper.

That doesn’t sound like an exercise break.

Lake initially attacked Roper, a flurry of punches leaving him on the ground. Nuku instructed him to break the murderer’s arm but Lake struggled to do so. Frustrated with how long it was taking, Nuku jumped in, kicking Roper and putting him in an arm lock which eventually snapped the bone.

Oh I see – it was an exercise break.

Roper is in prison because he murdered his ex-girlfriend. But his real crime, in the eyes of his prison mates, was pretending to be a Mongrel Mob member when he was actually affiliated with Black Power.
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February 24, 2016 5:28pm
thedavincimode

… Snotradamus … Private Mainswearing …

~~School’s~~ Kindergarten’s out.
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February 24, 2016 5:31pm
stigie

“As long as it’s not a race to the bottom”

In the south west corner of Hagley its all show and go Nostra especially when the shops close..?
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February 24, 2016 5:33pm
Reid

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2016/01/wayne-madsen-marco-rubio-homosexual-update-with-photos/
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February 24, 2016 5:35pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

In the south west corner of Hagley its all show and go

We should send in Bereal as our deep-ops man. We’d need to give him the right tools for the job though – a surveillance camera, not a colonoscopy camera, otherwise he might take “deep-ops” the wrong way!
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February 24, 2016 5:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Agentballsack 5:05

I’m sure Kea has plenty of stuff to keep her busy over the next year… honorary academics probably have to produce some goodies for their uni.
As she’s an expert in topology/quantum hypergeometry etc… she’s bound to appreciate the transformed parrot cage.
The parrot’s language wasn’t very lady-like though.
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February 24, 2016 5:48pm
mikenmild

Reid
Is there any prominent male political figure who is not gay, or any prominent political woman who is not actually a man?
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February 24, 2016 5:49pm
Manolo

@Maggy: With a bit of polishing Kea could become a new Katherine Mansfield. The female wild bird possesses the raw quality of a great writer, deep, deep down there.
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February 24, 2016 5:53pm
mikenmild

Nostradamus
I don’t think bereal is the ideal candidate. Although fully conversant with the subject matter, he is rarely sober after dark (hic!)
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February 24, 2016 5:54pm
starboard

Its all lies Shawn, mm, stiffybot etc says there is nothing to be alarmed about and Muslims should be welcomed. Lies I tells ya..
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February 24, 2016 5:59pm
Nostradamus

Maggy:

I’m sure Kea has plenty of stuff to keep her busy over the next year

I imagine the KrissX project will keep Kea fairly busy.
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February 24, 2016 6:01pm
waikatogirl

… Snotradamus … Private Mainswearing …
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Sure buggar me is not Gabby?
They would be great friends if they aren’t the same person – they have the same lame, lefty sense of humour…
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February 24, 2016 6:01pm
stigie

“they have the same lame, lefty sense of humour”…

Fuck it, that rules out Dad then..?
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February 24, 2016 6:05pm
mikenmild

I think you will find ‘lefties’ are not the only ones breaking DPF’s rule about not using commenters’ Kiwiblog names.
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February 24, 2016 6:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just seen Penny on TV 1… looking fabulous as usual … lovely hat.
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February 24, 2016 6:12pm
waikatogirl

Maggy
The parrot’s language wasn’t very lady-like though.
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Atrocious, a sewage treatment sized potty mouth for such a pretty peach coloured parrot.
Must be the company she keeps.
I wonder if the parrot understood what she was saying? She did seem extremely upset at the wanton destruction of the cage!
Very funny 🙂
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