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Kea

“The problem with this tactic is we are not discussing either sexual abuse or religion specifically.”

No you discuss rape as a justification for persecution based on religion. You are no friend of the Jews Shawn.
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February 23, 2016 7:09pm
Shawn Herles

“Penny are you going to answer ANY questions on GD during your campaign??”

I’m more interested in whether or not she is ever going to shorten her posts.
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February 23, 2016 7:11pm
Shawn Herles

“No you discuss rape as a justification for persecution based on religion. ”

Silly parrot. I’m talking about IMMIGRATION ISSUES.

I have also recently posted many times on the problems of Illegal Mexican immigration. Mexicans are Catholic Christians.

The fantasies in your head about what myself and others here are talking about are another story. Probably one you should discuss with a psychiatrist. 🙂
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February 23, 2016 7:14pm
Kea

Andrei, check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOlyeT6i974
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February 23, 2016 7:14pm
Andrei

Andrei, thanks for that Chant. Its echoed in my head constantly and I am listening to it now.

Why did you post it with a Latin Prayer that is unrelated to it?

It is Милость мира (A) Mercy of Peace and Достойно есть (It is truly meet) sung in Church Slavonic
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February 23, 2016 7:17pm
Reid

No you discuss rape as a justification for persecution based on religion.

In one way Shawn is right, it’s barbaric what they do. Bit of a no-brainer really, but congrats on getting something, anything right. Well done Shawn [pat – whose a good boy then, eh? Whose a good boy…].

In the other way Shawn is wrong. “Who facilitated the barbarians?” is the elephant in the room question he doesn’t address. According to him evidently they just coalesced out of the desert sand like magic, with no direction, no finance and no logistics. According to him.

Meanwhile, in the real world…
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February 23, 2016 7:20pm
Lucia Maria

I really have to share this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

I’m listening to it with my jaw dropping (currently at 7:33 minutes in). This video shows how a person can logic their way to their own entrenched position using any set of facts (and missing out other crucial ones). I’ve known this could be done for years, but seriously, this video is freaking me out. In that I noticed a few years back that there was a building internal backlash against Western women – and this video shows what that backlash is built from.

It’s much easier to understand this, than following the vile Voice for Men website, which shall not be linked to.
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February 23, 2016 7:20pm
Kea

“Why did you post it with a Latin Prayer that is unrelated to it?”

Yes I know it is unrelated. So what ? You lot are all Christians and Latin relates to the earliest scripts. And you know it. Are you a Slav ? Your responses suggest you are.

I happen to love Chants so you hit a soft spot with me 🙂
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February 23, 2016 7:26pm
Shawn Herles

“and Latin relates to the earliest scripts.”

In the West yes, not in the East.
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February 23, 2016 7:30pm
Kea

Lucia Maria (3,824 comments) says:
February 23rd, 2016 at 7:20 pm
I really have to share this video:

I know all that. Now can I see you in a bikini ?

As an aside, how “liberal” do you think I am in my personal habits ? [As opposed to philosophy]

Good common sense video. Common ground.
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February 23, 2016 7:31pm
nasska

….” how “liberal” do you think I am in my personal habits ?”….

Surely you don’t still turn out the light before you have a wank Kea. 🙂
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February 23, 2016 7:38pm
Captain Mainwaring

“I require answers to these questions by 12 noon Wednesday 24 February 2016.
Yours sincerely,
Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate”

So Penny, you deranged old fool:
How can you explain your one-sided logic which demands that you ‘require’ answers of other people when you continue to refuse to provide answers to perfectly civilised questions which others have asked of you?

You are nothing but a mentally ill, self-deluded, narcissistic old shit-stirrer who will capture 100% of the lunatic vote in the Auckland Mayoral election.

Captain Mainwaring
Not 2016 Mayoral candidate for anywhere

[DPF: Unacceptable. Striike 1]
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February 23, 2016 7:40pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Answer to first question: no.

Answer to second question: depends how you term liberal. I normally figure people out through observing how they argue and asking them the occasional personal question (if they don’t reveal much about themselves), and you have created a stalling point for me. I don’t like making too many guesses without reference points, soooo… your religion while you were growing up would be very helpful. I have a guess, but it’s just a guess.

Common sense video, huh. Bet you didn’t watch it.
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February 23, 2016 7:45pm
Andrei

The earliest Christian Texts were Greek Kea – they were translated into Latin
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February 23, 2016 7:47pm
Shawn Herles

The New Testament was written in Koine Greek, not Latin. The OT in Biblical Hebrew.

Edit: Andrei got there first. Snap.
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February 23, 2016 7:50pm
Kea

Lucy did you check out the chant ? I’ve even subscribed to the channel you dire witch X
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February 23, 2016 7:52pm
Sofia

Penny, regarding your request under the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987, you don’t appear to have complied with Part 2 10 (3)
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February 23, 2016 8:01pm
Don the Kiwi

yes, the early scriptures were written in Greek, except Mathew’s gospel, which was in Hebrew – close to Aramaic.

St. Jerome translated the whole bilbe into Latin in the 4th. century, at the age of around 70, learning Hebrew so he could correctly interpret the Septuagint Old Testament writings that were written in Greek by Jewish scholars in Alexandria around 70 BC.

I must commend Kea for giving us those beautiful chants of the Russian Orthodox Church. Back in 2004 I spent some time in Eastern Russia around Vladivostok and Nakhodka, and attended a couple of Orthodox services , and they blew me away.
As a Catholic familiar with the Tradition of the Church with its chants etc. , I have a deep appreciation of the Russian (and other) Orthodox chants, music, and depth of Faith in their liturgies.

Pope John Paul II was correct. The Western Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox church are the two lungs of Christianity. There is an inevitable conjunction of the two, joining in unity in the not too distant future.
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February 23, 2016 8:05pm
PhilP

That scumbag John Howland says he will be meeting Gerry Brownlie and at that meeting will tell Gerry a few home truths, or words to that effect. No remorse there even if he did plead guilty. If I were Gerry I’d tell him to f*** off, but of course he won’t.
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February 23, 2016 8:06pm
stigie

Answer those 6 questions Penny and then you may have the right to be a candidate for the Auckland Mayoralty..?

Thats a good bitch!~
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February 23, 2016 8:06pm
Nostradamus

Wow…

1. Penny Bright sends Auckland Council an open letter (which could more accurately be described as a discursive rant) dated 23 February 2016.
2. She asks a whole bunch of questions and wants copies of a whole bunch of documents.
3. She says “I require answers to these questions by 12 noon Wednesday 24 February 2016”.
4. So, overall, Penny gives Auckland Council 18 hours (which generously includes overnight time) to respond to her open letter.

My prediction: they don’t respond at all, or if they do, they politely tell her to get f***ed.
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February 23, 2016 8:07pm
Andrei

The Pope just met with the Patriarch of Moscow, Kirill, in Cuba Don – did you know that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aLFqyPp7bA
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February 23, 2016 8:11pm
stigie

And how many fucking months has it been now Nostra since those 6 questions were put up ?
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February 23, 2016 8:11pm
Don the Kiwi

All credit to the Russians, who are seeing an astounding revival of their faith in Russia – in recent years, over 1000 new churches have been built, mainly from voluntary labour and donations from the people.

Here is an example of one of them in the northern suburbs of Moscow.

http://www.hrampokrov.ru/virtour/vtupper201501/
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February 23, 2016 8:14pm
Nostradamus

Stigie

The date was 10 August 2015. So it’s been 6.5 months or 197 days – take your pick!

(A lot longer than the 18 hours she’s given Auckland Council to respond!)
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February 23, 2016 8:16pm
Don the Kiwi

Andrei (4,082 comments) says:
February 23rd, 2016 at 8:11 pm
The Pope just met with the Patriarch of Moscow, Kirill, in Cuba Don – did you know that?

Yes Andrei,
I have read the reports on it, and even though there was no specific agreement on unity yet, it is good to see ongoing dialogue in a positive vein. Unfortunately, our foot-in-mouth pope did not acknowledge the issues in Ukraine – but that’s what you get with Latinos 🙂
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February 23, 2016 8:17pm
Reid

I really have to share this video:

I watched the whole thing.

1) this is precisely the same message as the hated Makow has been disseminating all these years (which I bet you’ve never read or if you have, recoiled in horror before you truly recognised what he’s saying). Saying with millions times more insight and wisdom and references you can check, than this lightweight dude
2) duh for not already understanding this, isn’t it obvious?
3) know this is by design, not just a bunch of stuff that has happened
4) tell your friends, watch them resist, understand they’re in the matrix, you’re in the process of moving out of it, observe the way they defend it, remember what they do, you’ll need it for your future discernment
5) this is not the red pill, this is or may be where you chose which you want, over to God really on that. All of us get it, some of us know it, some of us make the choice, others knowingly or unknowingly let it slip by
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February 23, 2016 8:22pm
dirty harry

What a fantastic video Lucia Maria. I agree with absolutely everything in it.
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February 23, 2016 8:24pm
Andrei

Interesting Don that the video you just posted above has the Hymn Axion Estin ( It is Truly Meet) in Greek which is the same Hymn at the end of the video Kea posted above Достойно есть Dostoino Yest’ in Church Slavonic
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February 23, 2016 8:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Kea

I forgot to enquire about your astronaut candidacy that you announced last night

Kea astronaut candidate 2016
Wairarapa flea market attendee 1998

Do we get to vote for you?… or do you have to subject your wee frame to staggering g forces and drink recycled pee as a test?
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February 23, 2016 8:31pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

You tube recommended it to me. Why, I don’t know. So, you’ve subscribed. Black pigeon speaks, how could you resist!

So you watched it? To the end? Really? Given your main talking points. The incongruity ….

I haven’t watched the chant. That prayer though, is my favourite. Glad that it speaks to you. 🙂
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February 23, 2016 8:38pm
kowtow

Rapists should never be realesed from prison. They are too much of a danger to society.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/rapist-shouted-this-is-all-your-mother-is-worth-to-baby-as-he-attacked-woman-34477021.html
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February 23, 2016 8:42pm
Lucia Maria

dirty harry,

I’m not surprised that you agree with every in that video about women being the downfall of civilisation. It’s convenient scapegoating whereby the liberalisation of women has corresponded to other historical trends. Did you notice that the video contradicts itself? It doesn’t even properly understand what civilisation is.

Videos like it really annoy me, in that to debunk the damn things, a person has to spend an incredible amount of time explaining what is wrong with them to the gullible masses who want a simple answer to complex problems, ie everything that is going wrong in the world today is the fault of out of control women.

Anyway, I’m off to watch my new favourite tv show, Blind Spot.
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February 23, 2016 8:51pm
mikenmild

kowtow
Do you see it as much of a problem that the vast majority of rapists will never be charged, let alone be sent to prison?
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February 23, 2016 8:53pm
Shawn Herles

“this is precisely the same message as the hated Makow has been disseminating all these years ”

I thought the lunacy sounded familiar. 🙂
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February 23, 2016 8:54pm
sooty

Ms Bright. You are dreaming! Watch yah gunner do? Stamp your feet and go all red in the face! Edit spelling
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February 23, 2016 9:10pm
EAD

Reid asks

““Who facilitated the barbarians?” is the elephant in the room question he doesn’t address. According to him evidently they just coalesced out of the desert sand like magic, with no direction, no finance and no logistics”

Yes, that is the key question many like to shut debate down on Kiwiblog. Even when the perpetrators themselves admit it on national TV – it’s as if they just magically appeared out of thin air:

https://youtu.be/MFE0qAiofMQ
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February 23, 2016 9:12pm
Kea

Lucy give it up you Slavic witch.
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February 23, 2016 9:22pm
Reid

The sad thing is EAD as you and I know, it’s not even the who, it’s the why. And that one, the reason why the elephant is in the room in the first place, is never even examined, yet it’s the key to the root.

Strike the root, says Thoreau.

But no.

Let’s not even look for it, say most. What root, they say. It doesn’t exist, they bray.
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February 23, 2016 9:25pm
EAD

I mean even Breitbart (Shawn’s own Ministry of Truth) can’t even hide the fact that George Soros (~~nom de Goy~~ real name: Schwartz György) point the finger directly at him being one of the key perpetrators and financiers (he who of course used all his “networks” to get so fabulously wealthy)

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/02/soros-admits-involvement-in-migrant-crisis-national-borders-are-the-obstacle/

Of course Breitbart don’t go any further than pointing out the wickedness of this Soros creature. I.e. what motivates him to do what he is doing, where did he get his money from, why is it only European countries he wants to flood etc.
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February 23, 2016 9:36pm
Lucia Maria

Kea. It? What is this It of which you speak??
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February 23, 2016 9:38pm
EAD

Indeed Reid,

what motivates Soros to do what he is doing, where did he get his money from, are his a actions similar to any of those from the same “background”, why is it only European countries he wants to flood, if it is the blame all catch cry “The Left” that are behind it, why do those on the right also flood their countries with “refugees” etc. IT’S ALL ONE BIG FRIGGING MYSTERY!

“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.” And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. “Reality control,” they called it: in Newspeak, “doublethink.” – George Orwell, 1984
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February 23, 2016 9:43pm
publicwatchdog

If big Republican donors support Hillary Clinton – should ‘everyday’ Americans?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-22/hillary-clinton-backed-major-republican-donors
Authored by Eric Zuesse,

An analysis of Federal Election Commission records, by TIME, which was published on 23 October 2015, showed that the 2012 donors to Romney’s campaign were already donating more to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign than they had been donating to any one of the 2016 campaigns of (listed here in declining order below Clinton) Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, George Pataki, or Jim Gilmore.

Those major Romney donors also gave a little to two Democrats (other than to Hillary — who, as mentioned, received a lot of donations from these Republican donors): Martin O’Malley, Jim Web, and Lawrence Lessig.

(Romney’s donors gave nothing to Bernie Sanders, and nothing to Elizabeth Warren. They don’t want either of those people to become President.)

Clinton is the only Democratic candidate who is even moderately attractive to big Republican donors.
…….
_______________________________

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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February 23, 2016 9:55pm
Kea

Lucia Maria (3,828 comments) says:
February 23rd, 2016 at 9:38 pm

[ blah blah]

“I haven’t watched the chant.”

The humble pragmatic approach to the faith is too much for you and you reject the message of Jesus.

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Exodus 22:18
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February 23, 2016 10:02pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1ckrsmtrxtxuv3/Christian%201.jpg?dl=0
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February 23, 2016 10:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Kea

I really really really want to know about your astronaut candidacy
(see my 8:31pm post)

Do you think I might be made of “The Right stuff”?
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February 23, 2016 10:18pm
Kea

Lucia Maria (3,828 comments) says:
February 23rd, 2016 at 9:38 pm

[ blah blah]

“I haven’t watched the chant.”

The humble pragmatic humble approach to the faith is too much for you and reject the message of Jesus.

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Exodus 22:18
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February 23, 2016 10:22pm
Shunda barunda

Nasska, if you think that is bad, perhaps go and read some of the knuckle dragging shite that atheists have spawned on facebook.

They have created entire fake Christian pages in order to drum up hate and free flowing vitriol toward Christians, (which is more than likely what you just posted), if someone set up a page like that against Muslims it would be taken down before you could blink.

Modern popular atheism has become a culture cult that has absolutely nothing to do with rationalism and definitely not civilized behavior.
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February 23, 2016 10:25pm
Lucia Maria

Kea, you have lost me completely. Or did I lose you? The blah blah contains the vital clues.
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February 23, 2016 10:27pm
Kea

Maggy yes for sure. But only if you put out. It shows Curiosity and how you react to unfamiliar things in a way that translates into the human condition.

nasska, I will join the humble Slavs and sing you a Chant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdw9OTM65MU&ebc=ANyPxKr2qBrlVAryBkd5TCseFKpV_zMXOaOpOUCcySvMEpxXilrPtZmD5zcXUoaPkCNhxqKOuO0I7aFz2OK5SLrA1aDsCW6LeQ
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February 23, 2016 10:28pm
Kea

Lucia Maria (3,829 comments) says:
February 23rd, 2016 at 10:27 pm
Kea, you have lost me completely. Or did I lose you?

Lucy, people who do not listen to spine tingling Chants have no place before me.

Have you even joined the interfaith effort to save the wretched Shawn creature from damnation ?
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February 23, 2016 10:33pm
Kiwi Dave

Reid: just a very small nitpicky point which doesn’t respond to your key point in any way, though I also dislike George Soros and his policies – the elephant in the room is the key to the root. There might be more felicitous ways of expressing this. 🙂
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February 23, 2016 10:48pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

I listen to chants, and even sing them regularly.

Also, don’t be so quick to assume that “haven’t listened to” means “won’t listen to”.

What you really mean to say is that people who won’t do what you want, when you want it, have no place before you.

Dobranoc.
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February 23, 2016 11:01pm
Kea

Lucy. Err no. No, you have not taken the time to listen to the Chants, but have found time to indulge Shawn’s rape stories.

What ever you are into I guess !

Sweet dreams.

[DPF: And that is your ninth strike and a one year suspension. When you are allowed back in a year’s time, you may wish to consider a further strike will be a lifetime ban from commenting here]
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February 23, 2016 11:09pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers – particularly Aucklanders?
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Sue Henry ( Housing Lobby Spokesperson) ) in conjunction with the Tamaki Housing Group, will be making the following submission, Wednesday 24 February 2016 at 9.30am, to the Auckland Unitary Plan Independent Hearings Panel:

Level 16
ANZ Building
205 Queen Street

ATTENTION: INDEPENDENT UNITARY PLAN HEARING PANEL.

Northern Glen Innes (parts of Area A)

ALL of Area B – has had ‘out of scope’ type changes forced on the area since September 2011 (process absent).

The northern Taniwha Street, Inglewood Street, West Tamaki Road
Block, has been and STILL IS Zone 5.

We are using this block as a precedent, for ALL the non-‘Special Housing’ areas in the Auckland Council catchment.

We request the IHP recommend any zone change proposal, or ongoing activity in the Northern Glen Innes to cease while a new process is notified of zone changes involving and consulting the communities of Auckland as stipulated in section 79 and 80 of the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Forwarded in the public interest by 2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate Penny Bright.
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February 23, 2016 11:42pm
Manolo

He lied. What a surprise!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-23/trudeau-drops-campaign-promises-and-goes-all-in-with-deficits

It’s one of the biggest fiscal swings in the country’s history that, in just four months since the Oct. 19 election, has cut loose all the fiscal anchors Trudeau pledged to abide by even as he runs deficits. The government’s bet is that appetite for more infrastructure spending and a post-election political honeymoon will trump criticism over borrowing and unmet campaign promises.
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February 24, 2016 6:48am
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, this tells us a lot about the quality and authenticity of Pamela Geller’s sources, The Tokyo Reporter ,with its salacious , risque and Adult X news reporting

Osaka cops bust hooker service in condom scam,

A ‘delivery health’ business allegedly extorted male customers over fabricated reasons etc, etc

http://www.tokyoreporter.com/

Shawn Herles , did you fail your Christian ethics paper at Uni ?,

The nasty and vindictive bitch that Pamela Geller is ,

In Pam Geller’s World, Everybody Jihads

Pam Geller and Robert Spencer are being viewed as free speech champions for their “Draw Muhammad” contest, which turned tragic in Dallas last week. But once a moderate Muslim begins speaking, they quickly turn into what they hate.

The day after two gunmen were killed by police while trying to shoot their way into a Garland, Texas community center hosting a Mohammed cartoon contest, reformist American Muslim activist Zuhdi Jasser appeared on Fox News not only to condemn the attack but to unconditionally affirm the right to free expression—including the right to insult Islam—and praise defiance against blasphemy bans.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/10/in-pam-geller-s-world-everybody-jihads.html
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