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Jacob

Sorry Penny, I wrongly suggested “Now Little has Winston closely breathing down his neck.”

see Maggy Wassilieff 6:10 – Peters 9%; Little 9%
(Little – Labour … who you voted for)
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February 21, 2016 6:24pm
Left Right and Centre

Is this a pre-emptive strike by the corrupt corporate capitalists to sabotage Penny’s mayoral campaign?

I’m sure her first thought, when constipated, is always – Council are spiking the water.
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February 21, 2016 6:32pm
Kea

Peters 9%; Little 9% LOL 🙂

Given the results of the past elections, it is time to consider Labour a minor party. Just because they are 2nd does not make them a major party.
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February 21, 2016 6:32pm
stephieboy

Shawn Heres, despite the terrible Armenian Genocide it did not stop the invitation of NATO for Turkey to join them in 1952. I’m pretty certain that it was Republican President Eisenhower and his administration that welcomed Turkey into the fold and without a murmur about that Genocide ,

http://www.ibtimes.com/why-turkey-nato-704333
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February 21, 2016 6:40pm
stephieboy

And also lets not forget that Turkey was the first Muslim nation to recognise Israel in 1949 and apart from the fallout overt the Gaza Flotilla incident the two have actually enjoyed a very good relationship over the years much to the chagrin of Geller, Spencer, Horowitz , etc and you of course,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Turkey_relations
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February 21, 2016 6:46pm
SGA

Nostradamus at 5:47 pm

Click here to read the answer (written by a clinical psychologist and psychotherapist who specialises in treating sexual disorders).

I wonder what sort of answer Griff, Rowan, or Mel would have given?
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February 21, 2016 6:53pm
PhilP

I’m sure the retards at the stranded will be livid that their leader now pegs level with Winston First as preferred PM on 9% wot a luff hahaha.
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February 21, 2016 6:58pm
Nostradamus

PhilP:

LPrent has sharpened his ~~knob~~ banning stick and will whack anyone who strays from the party line.

Repeat after me: Labour will win the next election!

*Canned laughter*
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February 21, 2016 7:02pm
Griff

I wonder what sort of answer Griff, Rowan, or Mel would have given?

was the question from a man or woman ?
man
I dont want to know about your sick weirdo perversions.
woman
I can see your lips move but fucked if I know what you are saying.
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February 21, 2016 7:11pm
Reid

Colmar Brunton poll results will keep JK happy.

Yes.

Too bad most of the sheeple haven’t yet understood political success doesn’t mean most popular it means most performance for most security. And he hasn’t given us either of those things in any area, since he was first installed.

But of course the sheeple are idiots so they don’t see those shortcomings and they clap and cheer and baa a lot, because they hallucinate the only thing that counts is “their side” is winning.

It hasn’t even evidently occurred that even that victory is rather hollow when the opposing team has the equivalent strength of the third fifteen from the local high school in Putaruru.

Aren’t sheeple stoooooooooooooooooooooopid.

Particularly when you think the sheeple on here are supposed to be the most astute group of conservative public commenters in the country.

God save NZ evidently, because KB commenters sure as heck won’t.
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February 21, 2016 7:19pm
stephieboy

Reid, what makes you think that if KB commentators wont save NZ that you will ?
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February 21, 2016 7:24pm
Shawn Herles

“Angry did not get his big boost.. ”

There is no one in the current crop of Labour politicians who is going to give them a boost. That is one of their problems, that as well as piss poor policies and Key Derangement Syndrome.

Losing Shane Jones, the one individual who might have revived the party, was a monumentally stupid mistake.
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February 21, 2016 7:24pm
Shawn Herles

“God save NZ evidently, because KB commenters sure as heck won’t.”

Perhaps your space alien friends will? 🙂
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February 21, 2016 7:26pm
PhilP

“Losing Shane Jones, the one individual who might have revived the party, was a monumentally stupid mistake”.

Yes, but a real smart move by the National Party, wouldn’t you say?
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February 21, 2016 7:33pm
cha

The issue is Arab hatred and their religious intolerance,

Trump rally!!
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February 21, 2016 7:59pm
Tauhei Notts

I was reading earlier today about how Toni Street used to be a role model for young New Zealand women.
But nowadays she is a roll model for young New Zealand women; sausage roll, chocolate log roll, jam roll, filled roll.
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February 21, 2016 8:05pm
Shawn Herles

The old Left was batshit crazy as far as it’s ideas go, but you could at least respect the working class men and women who made up the foot soldiers, the kind of people who went to fight in the Spanish civil war.

But today’s Left are enough to make any red blooded male puke. Take a look at these pathetic individuals.

‘Rutger Students Melt Down After Listening to a Conservative Speaker on Campus’

“Breitbart tech editor Milo Yiannopoulos made an appearance at Rutgers University, and his ideas and rhetoric so traumatized the delicate flowers who heard him that many of them attended a “group therapy” session afterward.

You are not going to believe what happened next:

According to the paper, students and faculty members held a wound-licking gathering at a cultural center on campus, where students described “feeling scared, hurt, and discriminated against.”

“A variety of different organizations and departments were present to listen, answer questions and show support” to the apparently weak and vulnerable students, who just a few days prior had disrupted Yiannopoulos’ event by smearing fake blood on their faces and chanting protest slogans.

One student at the event told the Targum that they “broke down crying” after the event, while another reported that he felt “scared to walk around campus the next day.” According to the report, “many others” said they felt “unsafe” at the event and on campus afterwards.

“It is upsetting that my mental health is not cared about by the University,” said one student at the event. “I do not know what else to do for us to be heard for us to be cared about. I deserve an apology, everyone in this room deserves an apology.””

Oh dear…….
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February 21, 2016 8:17pm
stigie

Now thats not very nice TN, she’s just a wholesome women who indulges in some quality food from time to time !~
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February 21, 2016 8:17pm
Viking2

Tauhei Notts (2,145 comments) says:
February 21st, 2016 at 8:05 pm

I was reading earlier today about how Toni Street used to be a role model for young New Zealand women.
But nowadays she is a roll model for young New Zealand women; sausage roll, chocolate log roll, jam roll, filled roll.

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That’s unfair if you followed th news.
Medications like Prentizone do that to you. Its a bitch.
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February 21, 2016 8:19pm
Viking2

Whats happening in Europe this year? Perhaps.

https://www.thefinancialist.com/the-end-of-european-austerity/?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=the_financialist_main_newer_content&utm_content=52569581&utm_term=5005512

Since 2009, Europe’s peripheral economies – Greece, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, and Spain – have tried to dig their way out of a debt crisis by cutting public spending and raising taxes. This year, however, will be different. Fiscal policy in the euro zone is expected to ease for the first time since 2010.

The European economists in Credit Suisse’s Global Markets division say it’s high time fiscal policy loosened in the Eurozone. Had it done so earlier, the region might now be experiencing stronger economic growth than it is today. Consider that the output gap, the difference between actual economic growth and what it could produce if it were running at full throttle, was still 1.8 percent of potential GDP at the end of 2015, according to the European Commission. That’s better than 2009, when the gap hit a peak of 3.4 percent, but it’s still larger than at any point between when the European Commission began collecting data in 1996 and the onset of the global financial crisis
– See more at: https://www.thefinancialist.com/the-end-of-european-austerity/?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=the_financialist_main_newer_content&utm_content=52569581&utm_term=5005512#sthash.OFhmi3q0.dpuf
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February 21, 2016 8:20pm
RF

Tauhei Notts. 8.05pm

Bit tough old fella. Toni Street is on medication that causes swelling. She suffers from what could be a fatal illness if not treated properly.
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February 21, 2016 8:22pm
renderer

Tauhei Notts (2,145 comments) says:
February 21st, 2016 at 8:05 pm

I was reading earlier today about how Toni Street used to be a role model for young New Zealand women.
But nowadays she is a roll model for young New Zealand women; sausage roll, chocolate log roll, jam roll, filled roll.

The popular Seven Sharp host was diagnosed with Churg-Strauss syndrome, after suffering from allergies for the past six years and more recently, enduring severe stomach pains which led to her having her gallbladder removed.

“I was in complete panic and shock,” Toni said.

“I managed to hold it together with the doctor, but I got to the car and just burst into tears.”

The disease is rare and has no cure, but Toni is undergoing high-dose treatments of steroid infusions and immune suppressant drugs to control the illness.

“They make me really puffy and achy, and you just feel really worn out… I get tired a lot more easily.”
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February 21, 2016 8:24pm
cha

she is a roll model

Of course you’re all svelte and prick like, aren’t you?.
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February 21, 2016 8:26pm
mikenmild

Poor Milo, Shawn. Was that the same Milo whose followers were so upset by him having to abide by Twitter rules that they thought it was akin to a terrorist attack?
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February 21, 2016 8:28pm
stigie

I can only apologize for my comment at 8.17, didn’t know how serious it was, can only wish her well, she is a lovely lady.
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February 21, 2016 8:29pm
stephieboy

Shane Herles, a mistake for Israel to accept Turkey’s recognition of it 1949 and enjoy generally good relations ? A mistake for the Eisenhower administration to accept Turkey s a member of NATO and provide ongoing military and economic aid by it and successive administrations ?
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February 21, 2016 8:30pm
mikenmild

I’m sure Tauhei didn’t realise that Toni Street is ill. He just doesn’t think that any woman who is other than rake thin should be on telly.
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February 21, 2016 8:33pm
Captain Mainwaring

“Penny Bright doesn’t supposedly have a chance of winning the 2016 Auckland Mayoralty.”

Never a truer word was said. Even if there were 20 candidates she wouldn’t finish higher than 19th. In 20th place would be Mr. Baboon from the zoo, enrolled as a joke, but I wouldn’t put money on Penny finishing in front of him.
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February 21, 2016 8:36pm
Viking2

Pope Francis held down his title as the ~cool~ pope on Thursday when he suggested that women at risk for contracting the Zika virus could use birth control. Until now, most of the heavily Catholic South and Central American countries battling the virus have preached abstinence as the best way for women to avoid becoming pregnant and risk developing the severe birth defect linked to the illness.

On his way back to Rome from Mexico, Francis told reporters that birth control is the “lesser of two evils.” Compared to abortion, he explained, “avoiding pregnancy is not an absolute evil.”

Which raises the question: If the pope can make exceptions to the Catholic Church’s anti-contraception mandate with such seeming ease, why is the Church so vehemently opposed to birth control in the first place?

For centuries, Christianity as a whole prohibited any form of contraception because it considered any act that stood in the way of pregnancy an affront to “God’s design.”

Theologians often cite a passage in the Book of Genesis as the root of this belief. In it, a son of Judah named Onan “spills his seed” on the ground to avoid impregnating his brother’s widow. This act displeases the Lord, and the Lord smites Onan.

But in 1930, Christianity split on birth control. The Anglican Church endorsed contraception—which, at the time, included condoms, diaphragms, and cervical caps—if used “in the light of Christian principles,” and other Protestant denominations followed suit.

Catholicism, however, doubled down on its anti-birth control stance. That same year, Pope Pius XI penned an encyclical—a letter that is distributed to all of the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church—maintaining that any form of contraception was strictly prohibited.

Then in 1963, when hormonal birth control came along, the Catholic Church convened a papal commission on marriage and reproduction to review its position on contraception—and the commission concluded that the Church should actually embrace it.

Around that same time, Pope Paul VI allowed nuns in danger of rape in the then-Belgian Congo (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo) to use birth control to prevent pregnancies. Members of the Church later used that decision to justify allowing women to use contraceptives while at risk of assault in war zones.

And yet, despite the commission’s conclusion, official church doctrine didn’t budge. Birth control was still effectively prohibited for Catholics.

In 1968, a year after The Pill was featured on the cover of TIME magazine, Pope Paul VI sent out an encyclical entitled Humanae vitae, Latin for “Human life.” The letter served to uphold the Church’s orthodox views on marriage, “married love,” and birth control. In it, he wrote that abortion, even for “therapeutic” means, was totally out of the question, as was sterilization, whether temporary or permanent. As for any other forms of contraception:

Similarly excluded is any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreation—whether as an end or as a means.

In his remarks Thursday, Pope Francis cited Paul VI’s rape exception as a precedent for his unusual move—but with a clear caveat: “In certain cases, as in this one, such as the one I mentioned of Blessed Paul VI, it was clear. I would also ask doctors to do their utmost to find vaccines against these mosquitoes that carry this disease. This needs to be worked on.”

The pope’s comments don’t mark the first recent papal exception. In 2010, Pope Benedict condoned the use of condoms, in very specific circumstances, to prevent HIV/AIDS. Still, Catholic theologians stressed that using condoms to prevent the transmission of a disease constitutes a separate “moral order” than using condoms to prevent pregnancy.

Just to be clear—it’s not that the Catholic Church doesn’t want its faithful to have sex. They’d love for you to have sex! It just needs to be within the confines of marriage and for the purpose of making babies. According to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the “power to create a new life with God” is what makes married love so remarkable. But to have sex without the purpose of fertilizing eggs is to not really have true sex at all, fundamentally tainting the Church’s definition of marital love. Per the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops:

Suppressing fertility by using contraception denies part of the inherent meaning of married sexuality and does harm to the couple’s unity…The Church’s teaching is not only about observing a rule, but about preserving that total, mutual gift of two persons in its integrity.

Clearly, the Zika virus has posed a quandary. The pope maintained that abortions are still unequivocally prohibited, even in light of the health risks posed to developing fetuses. But his loosening of the Catholic contraception mandate is a significant departure from the party line—and goes to show just how critical the virus is.

http://fusion.net/story/270460/why-does-the-catholic-church-oppose-contraception-birth-control/?utm_campaign=Fusion&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social

Now that will displease Lucia. well maybe not. After all the Pope said it might be ok to have sex.
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February 21, 2016 8:43pm
Griff

Captain Mainwaring
She did manage to poll more than Mr blank and Mr informal last time .
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February 21, 2016 8:50pm
mikenmild

To be fair Griff, Penny’s fourth place last time was better than 11 other contenders. Their feelings on being less popular than her would have made good reporting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auckland_mayoral_election,_2013
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February 21, 2016 8:57pm
SGA

Griff at 7:11 pm

I wonder what sort of answer Griff, Rowan, or Mel would have given?
was the question from a man or woman ?
man
I dont want to know about your sick weirdo perversions.
woman
I can see your lips move but fucked if I know what you are saying.

Oh dear, wrong Griff. All I need now is for Rowan to extricate himself from the he-who-cannot-be-named thread and give his advice.
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February 21, 2016 9:01pm
Nostradamus

SGA:

It’s not all bad news on that he-who-cannot-be-named thread. I see Chuck Bird has invited belledejour out for a coffee.

It looks like Tinder has some competition!
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February 21, 2016 9:09pm
RF

mikenmild. 8.33pm.

It’s a pity that Tauhei Notts is another spray and runaway. No appology.
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February 21, 2016 9:09pm
nasska

….” I see Chuck Bird has invited belledejour out for a coffee.”…..

Don’t forget David Garrett’s ardent proposals to Penny? Cupid has discovered Kiwiblog! 🙂
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February 21, 2016 9:17pm
cha

On his way back to Rome from Mexico, Francis told reporters that birth control is the “lesser of two evils.” Compared to abortion, he explained, “avoiding pregnancy is not an absolute evil.”

Which raises the question: If the pope can make exceptions to the Catholic Church’s anti-contraception mandate with such seeming ease, why is the Church so vehemently opposed to birth control in the first place?

Liking Frankie the pope.
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February 21, 2016 9:33pm
Chuck Bird

I see NZF has replaced the Greens as the third highest polling party on the latest Colmar Brunton poll on the TV1 news tonight.
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February 21, 2016 9:35pm
blazeoflight

@Vikin2 8:20pm

Since 2009, Europe’s peripheral economies – Greece, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, and Spain – have tried to dig their way out of a debt crisis by cutting public spending and raising taxes

I wonder if you realise that, except for Greece, those counties all had excellent government fiscal policies, and their debt/GDP ratios were modest – lower than Germany’s, from memory.

But they were forced by the ECB to bail out their private banks, who mainly owed money to German and French banks.

But how can government debt be a crisis when interest rates were destined to fall to an all time low? As predicted by leading, non-bank, economists?

And austerity was also forced upon those economies by the ECB (essentially the central bank of Germany), and without sovereign control of their currency and OCR, visited enormous, unnecessary hardship on, especially the lower and middle classes of those countries.

My point is that, with the exception of Greece, these countries have suffered terribly from the teutonic dedication to running trade surpluses, sucking money from the other EZ economies at a great rate of knots.

I cannot see that changing in the forseeable future, short of war within the union.
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February 21, 2016 9:35pm
blazeoflight

@Chucky

You watch wily Winston get Key dropped as PM after the election, then spending 18-24mths as PM, then handing over to busty and dumb Bennet or Corrupt Crusher Collins for the rest of the term, and heading off to Washington to replace the obnoxious Groser.

Mark my words!

Stranger things have happened.
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February 21, 2016 9:40pm
Chuck Bird

@blazeoflight

Not likely, but possible. I would hope he would insist on a binding referendum on the continuation of the Maori seats.

That would be a legacy far more worthy than a flag.
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February 21, 2016 9:52pm
Captain Mainwaring

blazeofshite,
Now you are in fairyland.
Did Wikiriwank kick you out of your bed at Penny’s place?
Where does your stupidity end?
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February 21, 2016 9:52pm
Nostradamus

blazeoflight:

Mark my words!

Your prediction has been noted and filed.

Another Kiwiblog commenter, who called herself Judith, was very gung-ho before the last election, with lots of feisty predictions, but she disappeared without a trace after polling day.

And let’s not forget Philu and his predictions – the most memorable one was that he was going to make a truckload of money from selling his blog to some wealthy Americans!
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February 21, 2016 9:54pm
Captain Mainwaring

“Another Kiwiblog commenter, who called herself Judith, was very gung-ho before the last election, with lots of feisty predictions, but she disappeared without a trace after polling day.”

Surely her real name was not Judith Tizard? Perish the thought.
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February 21, 2016 10:26pm
dime

“Another Kiwiblog commenter, who called herself Judith, was very gung-ho before the last election, with lots of feisty predictions, but she disappeared without a trace after polling day.”

LMAO thats right. she never came back haha

she (may have been a he) was fucking painful for months leading up to the election.
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February 21, 2016 10:28pm
peterwn

minus – there is no contract to pay rates, just as there is none (apart from a ‘social contract) to pay tax. The standard Sale and Purchase agreement requires the vendor to warrant that rates payment are up to date. The principle of privity of contract means that the Council, not being a party to the agreement, cannot enforce the agreement and does not need to. Rates liability runs with the land, arrears of rates are not extinguished when the land changes hands so obviously the purchaser (via her lawyer) will ensure rates payments are up to date, and rates are ‘apportioned’ at settlement to vendor and purchaser pay the correct rate to the day. The vendor’s lawyer will ensure his client has paid rates up to date to preclude any chance that the purchaser can use this as an excuse to wriggle out of the contract (the purchaser may have found a more desirable house in the meantime).

Rates have the highest priority ‘charge’ on land – even against a first mortgage. Also penalty and interest rates on unpaid rates are significantly higher than what a council can borrow money for, so it is no skin off the council’s nose if rates are not paid for a while. The remaining main concern is the council ends up paying for part of the legal/ court costs chasing after people like Penny. The Act should be amended to make defaulting ratepayers pay full costs as well as removing loopholes that people like Penny exploit to waste time. Fortunately such cases are rare since most properties have a mortgage (unlike Penny’s) and the mortgagee will pay outstanding rates if tapped on the shoulder by the council.
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February 21, 2016 10:42pm
Jack5

New Zealand fish exports will likely face new American standards because of labour conditions of crews pf Asian fishing ships using NZ catch quota. The US has in the past tackled NZ on this.

The New York Times in an editorial says that the US is now taking action to ban imports of fish produced by what it classes as slave labour. The editorial is referring to a Senate vote this month to close a loophole in the Tariff Act that allowed import of goods produced by slave labor as long as the US wasn’t able to produce enough of those goods at home.

Fairfax reporter Michael Field, best known for his coverage of Pacific Islands affairs, has written about crew treatment on some of the chartered Asian ships, and, under measures already announced, from May 16 foreign fishing ships in our waters will have to meet NZ labour standards.

In the past, there were reports of beatings, rape of crew men, and even deaths.

The question is how did the slave-labour business reach a stage where it tainted NZ’s reputation?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/opinion/sunday/slave-labor-on-the-high-seas.html?emc=edit_th_20160221&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=4534124

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-us-is-finally-taking-aim-at-the-slave-caught-seafood-industry-slavery-tuna-environment-oceans-politics-obama
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February 21, 2016 11:38pm
Manolo

The double chin justifies it:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/21/glenn-beck-responds-to-sc-primary-results-join-me-in-a-fast-for-ted-cruz/
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February 22, 2016 6:57am
Manolo

Uniquely Italian:
http://www.repubblica.it/sport/2016/02/21/foto/_balotelli_e_italiano_ma_ha_preso_troppo_sole_la_frase_di_berlusconi_non_sfugge_alla_satmpa_straniera-133928856/1/?ref=twhr&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#1
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