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wiseowl

Politics and religion don’t mix.

Why the hell is the pope sticking his nose into issues that are for politicians to deal with.

Trump is the only one to tell it how it is.
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February 19, 2016 8:05am
Lucia Maria

Wiseowl, that’s what popes do when politicians go too far. Trump is ~~a lunatic~~ the type of man that the US will seriously regret voting in as president – if it comes to that.
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February 19, 2016 8:11am
Manolo

The seller of smoke drops the mask:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_REL_POPE_TRUMP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Pope Francis said Thursday that Donald Trump is “not Christian” if he wants to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border. Trump immediately fired back, saying it is disgraceful for a religious leader to question a person’s faith.
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February 19, 2016 8:12am
jcuk

Some teacher saying kids must endanger themselves by making their way to school irrespective of the bus strike… the school is open … following rules and not common sense.
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February 19, 2016 8:12am
Inandout

The FBI does not need Apple to access that Islamist’s phone, as they must have an army of hackers who are itching to try. I won’t go as far as calling the Apple mobile an ‘Isis-Phone’, but these murdering bastards seem to favour iPhones.
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February 19, 2016 8:13am
Manolo

48 hours to go:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269787-tightening-race-rattles-clintonworlds-nerves

Allies of Hillary Clinton are growing nervous as the Democratic presidential race with Bernie Sanders tightens ahead of contests in Nevada and South Carolina.

A new CNN/ORC poll released Wednesday found Clinton with a 1-point lead in Nevada, which hosts its caucuses on Saturday. That’s a huge change from the 23-point lead Clinton enjoyed in a late December poll by Gravis.
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February 19, 2016 8:14am
Kimbo

@ wiseowl

Politics and religion don’t mix.

On the contrary – they always have and always will. Just ask the guy who exclaimed, “Who will rid me of this turbulent priest!”.

The church, as with the example of the Salvation Army’s comments on child poverty a few days ago, has a duty to act as a “prophet”, holding the king/Caesar to account for the spiritual and ethical consequences of his decisions. What shouldn’t happen though, is the privileging of one religion at the expense of others…or those of no religion. Or the installation of Ayatollahs running the state.

As Catholics enjoy no such privilege in the USA…the Pope can say what he wants. It is up to American Catholics…and non-Catholics for that matter to, to do what they want with his comments, be it regard them highly, ignore them, or treat them with scorn and contempt.
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February 19, 2016 8:15am
dave_c_

Wiseowl – Thats because the Pope is complicate with the New World Order agenda. Supporting his mates, in the establishment and the power elites.

One world government, one world religion, one world army ………..
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February 19, 2016 8:17am
kowtow

This Pope has no business telling electorates that they should not protect their way of life, culture, jobs and standard of living from the hordes of illegal immigrants that the permanent political elites seem hell bent on allowing to over run them.

Remember his first visit outsde of the protected walls of the Vatican was to Lampedusa Island where he spoke ,encouraging the illegal migration . A migration that is costing many lives and causing a wave of criminality across Europe.
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February 19, 2016 8:19am
B.L.Zeebub

If the pope wants to interfere in politics then he pays the price of admission like the rest of us,til` those parasites start paying tax, he can stick to being an a apologist for molesting choir boys.
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February 19, 2016 8:19am
stephieboy

Manolo, Trump carries are lot of baggage with him including three divorces, bankruptcies , mafia associations etc .The holy father should simply ignore the buffoon and his bloated and meaningless rhetoric re the Mexican Wall ,protecting the Vatican by smashing ISIS etc
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February 19, 2016 8:20am
EAD

I can’t leave Shawn Hereles hate filled tirades that dominated yesterdays GD without passing comment, particularly on this comment blaming every passing ill on something called “the left”:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/02/general_debate_18_february_2016.html/comment-page-1#comment-1670023

Who are the loudest voices for destroying their nations traditions and identities through multiculturalism? The Left.

Who are the loudest voices for Islamic immigration and the importing of terrorists and rape gangs? The Left.

Who are the loudest voices for racial conflict and division? The Left.

Who are the loudest voices for class conflict and division? The Left.

That is the real reason for Leftist’s dislike of the Pledge. It promotes unity, pride and national survival over division, hate and national suicide.

Who are the loudest voices for destroying Gentile nation’s traditions and identities through multiculturalism? The Jews ( Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcus, Alan Shatter David Cameron, Malcolm Turnbull, John Key) – the final 4 of course being of the so called “right”

Who are the loudest voices for Islamic immigration and the importing of terrorists and rape gangs? The Jews (Geoege Soros, Angela Merkel, Barbara Lerner Spectre, Gregor Gysy, Ronit Lenin)

Who are the loudest voices for racial conflict and division? The Jews (Saul Alinksy, The Anti Defamation League, The Southern Poverty Law Centre)

Who are the loudest voices for class conflict and division? The Jews (Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg)

That is the real reason for Jews dislike of Goyim ethnocentrism(exactly what Netanyahu says Israel must preserve…..). It promotes unity, pride and national survival over division, hate and national suicide.

I await the self righteous and faux anger from those ignorant of history for pointing out these inconvenient truths 🙂
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February 19, 2016 8:20am
renderer

Hells teeth. The nutters get up early on GD
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February 19, 2016 8:26am
Stars And Stripes

Kimbo- don’t really have an opinion on your article as a whole but this portion caught my eye:
“What shouldn’t happen though, is the privileging of one religion at the expense of others…or those of no religion”

Correct me if I’m wrong does the tax free exemption status of churches here in NZ and the USA not privilege religion over those that have no religion.
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February 19, 2016 8:26am
Paulus

Am I the only one who is tired of watching the prizes for the “best of everything” McCaw and the All Blacks in the lauding media.

Surely for the New Zealander of the Year there must be many other more worthy people – mostly unknown outside the media myopia putting our country on the world scale.

I can accept sports awards once a year but McCaw for everything – getting engaged, wedding next, retiring from All Blacks and the captaincy. I suppose it helps prop up the women’s magazines.

I suppose once again I can confess – I do not like professional Rugby – good schoolboy is great to watch, but we go overboard with professional Rugby – we even have a racially orientated part Maori All Blacks – but can understand that perhaps as the real All Blacks is full of Pacific Islanders.
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February 19, 2016 8:29am
stephieboy

EAD, what utter garbage .John Key manipulated and controlled by an international secret Jewish Cabal ? Turnbull and Cameron also ?

The Jewish Bolshevik conspiracy that witnessed its ultimate collapse and end in 1991.Was it because Stalin had removed Jewish elements in key party positions capably assisted by his NKVD gentile leader and head Beria ?.Or was the 1991 Collpase of Soviet Communism another Jewish conpiracy ?

Actual Evidence of the Frankfurt school and the creation of cultural Marxism ?

Ignorant of what history exactly ?
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February 19, 2016 8:31am
Tarquin North

stephieboy, you’re right Trump does carry a lot of baggage, but compared to the catholic church he’s traveling commando.
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February 19, 2016 8:32am
Awww C-mon

Penny

Last night you posted this “This should help focus the minds of those on Auckland Council who wish to keep ‘defending the indefensible’?”

What is indefensible is your position of a publicwatchdog,

You wont pay rates yet want to be in charge of spending Aucklands rates income
You claim anti-corruption yet there are still questions to be answered about your income from donations
You claim not to do personal attacks and slander yet the list of you doing exactly that is now too long for me to list
It must be close to 200 days that Nosta’s questions copied from the Herald have gone answered
It is several weeks since you slandered Keeping Stock with no apology or retraction

You really, really need a good shrink, because bat-shit crazy is unfair on bat-shit
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February 19, 2016 8:32am
Kimbo

@ Stars And Stripes

Correct me if I’m wrong does the tax free exemption status of churches here in NZ and the USA not privilege religion over those that have no religion.

No, because (as I understand it), they are granted tax exempt status for the same reason as incorporated societies and other non-religious groups such as the Red Cross, etc, who exist primarily to do charitable/non-profit work.

But if Caesar wants to change the rules, and remove the tax exempt status for churches…and everyone else, fair enough.
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February 19, 2016 8:33am
wiseowl

Paulus.
There is no such thing as a Moori all black and the sevens are not all blacks either.
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February 19, 2016 8:35am
Stars And Stripes

“Mr Karam said he believed a one-page summary of the report may have been circulated within the Ministry of Justice and said he felt sure someone in the National Party was responsible for the leak”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11592083

I think this is a silly statement to make as this whole thing has become so political that their are lots of people for all variety of reasons who have an axe to grind and would get mileage out of leaking this report.
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February 19, 2016 8:38am
Manolo

If the seller of smoke, the Pope, wants to enter politics, fine. Let him speak his mind, exchange barbs, and take a few punches too.

The policies of stupidity allowing invaders to come in freely will wreck any place on Earth. Just look at the chaos in Europe caused by the Muslim hordes.
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February 19, 2016 8:40am
Lance

@Inandout
You know for a fact the iPhone can be hacked… you have examples of this or did you just pull that out of your arse?

Perhaps because Apple went out of it’s way to keep us safe by making it very unfriendly to hackers is one of it’s best assets.
Apple says if the iPhone detects hacking attempts it erases all it’s memory, it was designed that way. If they put a ‘back door’ access in, then the Genie is out of the bottle and once discovered Apple would not be able tot stop people hacking iPhones.

I think Apple are right here.
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February 19, 2016 8:41am
Nookin

Bit rich of Karam to allege that the government is playing the media!
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February 19, 2016 8:45am
Salacious Crumb

as the real All Blacks is full of Pacific Islanders.

One of the fallacies regarding the All Blacks that gets my goat. Just in case you missed it Paulus here is the team that won the 2015 RWC Final

1. Joe Moody (10)
2. Dane Coles (35)
3. Owen Franks (77)
4. Brodie Retallick (46)
5. Samuel Whitelock (72)
6. Jerome Kaino (66)
7. Richie McCaw (147) — captain
8. Kieran Read (83)
9. Aaron Smith (46)
10. Daniel Carter (111)
11. Julian Savea (40)
12. Ma’a Nonu (102)
13. Conrad Smith (93)
14. Nehe Milner-Skudder (7)
15. Ben Smith (47)

Reserves
16. Keven Mealamu (131)
17. Ben Franks (46)
18. Charlie Faumuina (32)
19. Victor Vito (32)
20. Sam Cane (30)
21. Tawera Kerr-Barlow (19)
22. Beauden Barrett (35)
23. Sonny Bill Williams (32)

So 7 out of 23 who have various Pacific Island lineage constitutes “full of Pacific Islanders”? And of those 7 how many do you suppose were born outside of NZ? That would be 1.

The All Blacks are the most succesful international sporting side in the world of any sport. That they should occasionally get recognition for their achievements seems fair to me.
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February 19, 2016 8:45am
EAD

Errrrr Stephieboy – here is more on Cameron’s ancestry:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10692757/David-Cameron-speaks-of-Jewish-ancestors-including-great-great-grandfather-and-Yiddish-novelist.html

Here is the EU loving traitor at his British hating best after visiting an Islamic family:
“Not for the first time, I found myself thinking that it is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around

PS: I see the downtickers as usual offer nothing in the way of rebuttal to the truth.

““Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened – Winston Churchill
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February 19, 2016 8:46am
Hajji

The world’s fractional banking system is the creation of the Jewish bankers.
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February 19, 2016 8:51am
Manolo

Beautiful, peaceful and tolerant Islam. A cleric teaches how to treat the missus:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/02/18/palestinian-leader-gives-wife-beating-tips-on-gaza-tv.html?intcmp=hpbt3
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February 19, 2016 8:53am
holysheet

Luchia Maria, what does the seller of smoke have to do before you admit he is like the rest of us.
Just because he wears a funny hat and accepts kisses from all his toadies, doesn’t elevate him to any special status.
Tell him to stick to his constantly saying sorry to all the followers who were and are still being fiddled with by his employees. If he was doing this properly, then it would keep him occupied full time.

I would have thought he would know his bible if any one would

“let him who is without sin cast the first stone”
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February 19, 2016 8:53am
Hajji

Regarding the spat between the Pope and the Trump:

There is a hadith (saying attributed to Muhammad, the Messenger of God) that when one declares another to be a kaffir (unbeliever), one of them is right (ie it MAY be the person making the allegation!).
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February 19, 2016 8:54am
SGA

wiseowl at 8:05 am

Why the hell is the pope sticking his nose into issues that are for politicians to deal with.

I thought Popes had been sticking their noses into political issues to varying degrees for the last 1000 years or so.
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February 19, 2016 8:54am
Griff

“So I believe that I act in the spirit of the Almighty God: by defending myself against the Jew. I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf. 1924
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February 19, 2016 8:55am
igm

Maybe popey should concentrate on keeping his flock in order and forget about politics. That also goes for other church leaders . . . they are too interfering and should butt out of political discussion, concentrating on things Godly not fiscal, to which they contribute zilch!
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February 19, 2016 8:56am
Kiwi Dave

Get with the programme, Stephieboy – everyone knows Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min were Jewish. EAD will explain it to you.
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February 19, 2016 8:57am
kowtow

“renderer (402 comments) says:
February 19th, 2016 at 8:26 am
Hells teeth. The nutters get up early on GD”

A lot of early birds upticked that comment!
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February 19, 2016 8:59am
G152

If the US government wants Apple to break that particular terrorists phone
how about they put the Apple CEO in prison for abetting terrorism.
He gets out when the phone is read..
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February 19, 2016 9:00am
Don the Kiwi

The pope has a right to his own POV. However, the problem arises when he opens his mouth on any topic, it becomes public, and is interpreted in the wider secular world that this is what the Catholic Church believes – which is not correct.

This pope – I guess becuase he is Latino – says a lot of things off the cuff which get misinterpreted, and then his staff at the Vatican have to scramble over each other to put the proper spin on it. He is not like previous popes who were careful what they said publicly to ensure that there was no chance of misinterpretation.

Catholics have their own view on secular matters and do not need to parrot what this pope says, and he was wrong to condemn The Donald for not being Christian. I agree with Trump when he said that the Mexican govt have told him things purely from their own perspective, and have used the pope to pedal their own line.

I agree with Trump and others who want to build a wall on the southern border. It has actually been on the US Fed Govt books for many years – its just that Bush and Obama have done nothing about it.

Kimbo’s comment is on the button, but Lucia, I think you are wrong about Trump, even though I would rather see Cruz or Rubio as president. Trump has changed the dynamics in the US political scene, for the better.
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February 19, 2016 9:01am
Ed Snack

Just a technical note on iPhones for Inandout. What the FBI needs is for Apple to provide a special version of iOS for the specific iPhone 5C in question. That phone has settings (standard ones) that allow three immediate attempts at a passcode, a 2 minute delay after the fourth failure, 5 minutes after 5 and (I think) 1 hour after 6. So brute forcing even a 4 digit number is slow slow slow. Those limits can be changed….once you have the passcode. After 10 attempts the phone has to be restarted (after the hour) to start again. This is set in iOS, now a new version could be loaded on a 5C but the phone checks and refuses any updates that are not digitally signed by Apple, so without Apple’s secure key new software cannot be loaded.

Some of this changes if the phone has been “jail-broken”, but apparently this one hasn’t.

So Apple can enable a faster search for the password by uploading a software version that allows immediate re-tries of the code without imposed elays.

No on models after the 5 (the 5C is a rehoused 5 in a plastic case) such as the 5S and 6 models use a much moire secure scheme; the pass codes etc are stored on the phone in a “secure enclave” that is part of the A7 and later chips. When such a phone is first started it generates a essentially random key which combines with a hardware UID for the device which Apple DOES NOT record and encrypts everything using this generated key. It is still possible for Apple to re-write a special version of iOS and upload it to such a phone that would allow unlimited brute force testing of codes though not as easily as with the 5C model. However if the user chose an alphanumeric code with > 8 characters that wasn’t an existing word subject to dictionary attack, then brute forcing becomes unfeasible. Most users wouldn’t, but security conscious users might.

Apple cannot access the pass codes, but can potentially make it possible for the FBI to attempt to brute force any code more simply. Also, the concept of dis-assembling the iPhone and extracting the flash storage for independent cracking has the problem that the encryption key for the flash is very strong, at least 256 character, more likely a so far uncrackable 512 character (256 can theoretically be cracked in less than a year on the fastest available systems) and that key is determined by hardware settings on the phone. So you can’t find the simple 4 digit pass code just using the flash storage.

What Apple objects to is that if they are forced to crack one phone, the can be forced to crack any and all phones. Once a back-door exists, it will be exploited. I agree that Apple should refuse to help as a general principle.
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February 19, 2016 9:01am
holysheet

renderer, there’s only one nutter on here so far this morning. It has a 3 letter word, beginning with E and ending with D.
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February 19, 2016 9:02am
SGA

Kimbo at 8:33 am

No, because (as I understand it), they are granted tax exempt status for the same reason as incorporated societies and other non-religious groups such as the Red Cross, etc, who exist primarily to do charitable/non-profit work.

Although it might be more accurate to say that some incorporated societies and other non-religious groups have come to share the tax exempt status of churches?
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February 19, 2016 9:03am
igm

Fairfax Manawatu Standard running unofficial political campaign for the stenographer shepherd. Lees-Galloway, the worm of politics, is getting front-page promotion for nothing to try and enhance his failing popularity. No wonder this media giant is in its death throes when they continually support losers such as this germ.
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February 19, 2016 9:05am
renderer

Perhaps he had a bad batch of muesli holysheet
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February 19, 2016 9:06am
kowtow

Apple , unlike us mere mortals, is above the law and should so remain.
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February 19, 2016 9:07am
Inandout

Lance 8.41: First of all I am not an Apple worshipper, FGS it is just a bloody electronic device and some sad adherents virtually ejaculate at the thought of the next model to be released.

If there is information on that phone that can identify other assassins-in-waiting, then the families of those unfortunates already grieving for their loved ones slaughtered in that attack are due some consideration. It may be that Apple can’t access the phone anyway, but methinks all they are worried about is future sales, and keeping Applephiles happy. However in the long run they may do their brand damage.
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February 19, 2016 9:08am
Colville

There are 100 million catholics in Mexico. Popey is just playing to the larger audience.

Of course he wants them to move to USA and get better jobs so they can afford to give more to the church!
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February 19, 2016 9:08am
Manolo

Middle Age barbarity:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3452533/ISIS-execute-15-year-old-boy-beheading-caught-listening-western-music-Iraq.html
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February 19, 2016 9:09am
Captain Mainwaring

“publicwatchdog (5,432 comments) says:
February 18th, 2016 at 10:03 pm
BREAKING NEWS!

I have an MP who will present the following petition to the House, when it gets back from recess on 1 March 2016.

“That the House conduct an urgent inquiry into the alleged failure of Auckland Council to comply with their statutory duties regarding spatial planning, particularly the requirement to involve and consult with the communities of Auckland, regarding amendments to the spatial plan, as outlined in the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009.”

This should help focus the minds of those on Auckland Council who wish to keep ‘defending the indefensible’?

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.”

…………………
In my considered opinion it’s indefensible of Auckland Council to keep spending ratepayers’ money on endless legal pissing-around when the mad women’s hovel should have been sold from under her years ago. In the interests of consistency why doesn’t she put this on her list of ‘indefensible’.

Captain Mainwaring
Not 2016 Mayoral candidate for anywhere.
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February 19, 2016 9:09am
Nigel Kearney

I’m no fan of Trump or the ridiculous idea of building a wall between the US and Mexico, but this is obviously a manufactured story. The media fed the pope some version of Trump’s policy and got him to respond that it didn’t sound very Christian. Then they get to run a big headline: ‘Pope says Trump is not Christian’. Assuming the Pope is Catholic, a reporter could do the same with the Democrats’ position on abortion if they wanted to, but they don’t.
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February 19, 2016 9:10am
Rich Prick

The left must be seriously rattled by Trump. Just this week we had ‘The Mad World of Trump’ screening in NZ, although the fact that we don’t vote in US elections seems lost on TVNZ, and now the Pope demanding brigdes rather than walls. OK, if he wants to get all political all of a sudden, lets talk about the elephant in the church …
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February 19, 2016 9:10am
rangitoto

I would like to put a vote of thanks to the striking Auckland bus drivers. Auckland traffic woes solved in one fell swoop after years of council hang wringing.
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February 19, 2016 9:10am
kowtow

rich prick

“The left must be seriously rattled by Trump”

Yep , it seems whenever I turn on Radio labour there’s a luvvie guest or one of their own “journalists’ making sneering , snarky comments about the man.

It’s very obvious.
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February 19, 2016 9:21am
minus

Mr Karam said he believed a one-page summary of the report may have been circulated within the Ministry of Justice and said he felt sure someone in the National Party was responsible for the leak.

He said he found it odd that the National Party, who he claimed “detested David Bain’s compensation claims”, would have access to two confidential reports both of which ended up leaked to the media.

“Why the hell do two of their reports end up on the front page of the Herald,” he asked.

Mr Karam said Mr Bain had been inclined to trust the new Justice Minister, Ms Adams, but his faith in her was now all but lost.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11592083

How does Karam know there is a one page summary?
How does Karam know “the National Party” has access to the report?
Why would David Bain loose nearly all faith in Adams unless he knew she leaked the report?

What does Karam say of the WhaleOil theory that Karam is the leak since he and Bain are the only ones to benefit from leaking an ‘unhelpful” decision, and so re-igniting the Binnie “court of public opinion”?

And is it not time that protection of media sources is subject to court examination of the “public interest” in such protected leaks – the presentation to the public of what is stolen confidential material without any apparent advantage to the public ?
Meaning – when the Herald print this type of leak, they have to justify it, showing why it is essential the public have the information at this point in time, or face prosecution for benefitting from criminal actions.
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February 19, 2016 9:23am
Reid

Trump is a lunatic the type of man that the US will seriously regret voting in as president – if it comes to that.

All of them are Lucia. Don’t you get that? None of them are fit for POTUS.

It’s a question of least worse, not who’s the best. And Trump, sadly, is least worse.
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February 19, 2016 9:27am
mikenmild

I’m getting pretty worried by all these comments from EAD about the despicable Jews. But, as I keep asking, what should we do about them? Come on EAD, we need some advice here.
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February 19, 2016 9:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

Trump to Pope
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-response-to-the-pope
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February 19, 2016 9:32am
Griff

“The left must be seriously rattled by Trump”

ROFL
In a Little while you idiots might just get it.

Note the down ticks for those who support trump even on here.
If he wins the nomination the GOP has no chance to win the presidency because many Republicans also think he is a lunatic .
I find that a little sad
As watching him be the biggest ever fuckwit president of the USA ever would be really funny .

Even better Joy joy joy the same people who supported Colon Crag support trump.
Laughing at you after his defeat will have a familiar feeling .
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February 19, 2016 9:33am
Manolo

Rigging the system: http://observer.com/2016/02/how-the-dnc-helps-clinton-buy-off-superdelegates/

In a giant step backwards in eliminating special interests in Washington, the Democratic National Committee overturned a ban introduced by Barack Obama in 2008 restricting donations from federal lobbyists and super PACs. Unfortunately for Bernie Sanders’ supporters, the decision disproportionately benefits Hillary Clinton, as she is the only Democratic presidential candidate taking such donations.
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February 19, 2016 9:34am
starboard

Agree Manolo re muslim beating their wifes , what low life dogs .

You need your head looked at stiffybot if you support these feral scum.
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February 19, 2016 9:35am
Chuck Bird

Bit rich of Karam to allege that the government is playing the media!

@Nookin

It is worse that Annette King is alleging that the leak came from National when appears that Karam had a copy of the report. I do not want to get sued but it appears that the leak would have come from either National or someone on the Bain team.
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February 19, 2016 9:37am
Rich Prick

“How does Karam know there is a one page summary?”

A very good question minus. Lets think about the nature of leaks for a moment. Leaks are usually made by people who see an advantage in doing so. Camp Bain had a copy of the report. The report recommends no compensation for Bain. A leak delivers no benefit to the Government (quite the opposite in fact – politically), but it muddies the process enough for Bain that he might just get yet another crack at the cherry.
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February 19, 2016 9:40am
SGA

Nigel Kearney at 9:10 am

Assuming the Pope is Catholic, a reporter could do the same with the Democrats’ position on abortion if they wanted to, but they don’t.

Well… also, they don’t need to –
From Stuff today

He categorically ruled out that abortion would ever be permitted for pregnant women with Zika who fear that they may give birth to a child with microcephaley.
“Abortion is not a lesser evil. It is a crime. It is killing one person to save another. It is what the Mafia does,” Francis said, speaking passionately against the practice. “It is a crime. It is an absolute evil.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/77053478/zika-threat-sees-pope-francis-loosen-catholic-churchs-stance-on-contraception

btw, there is a strong rumour the Pope is indeed Catholic 🙂
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February 19, 2016 9:41am
dime

Do we know if that idiot Hillary is still barking at speeches?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJqiFlWg3TY
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February 19, 2016 9:43am
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Rich Prick – but it muddies the process enough for Bain that he might just get yet another crack at the cherry.
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As in –
The former president of New Zealand Criminal Bar Association says the leaking of the findings of a confidential report on David Bain’s compensation bid could force yet another investigation.

Then – bugger me – if you have three reports, do you accept the last, or do you take the two that agree?

Also Binny now talks of the “court of public opinion” (proving his own report was not needed) and that he believes public opinion supports David Bain, could explain any advantage for the Bain Team to leak the report rather than the Government.
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February 19, 2016 9:51am
Northshoredoc

Good lord i never realised how much the idiot who runs the standard hates Cameron Slater – apparently he spends his down time stalking him at court appearances, how very odd.

http://thestandard.org.nz/a-very-stupid-petulant-spoilt-child-whines-again/

The title of the post is very apt, although I doubt Ms Prentice sees the irony.
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February 19, 2016 9:51am
Ed Snack

Apologies for the spelling in that previous comment. Also note that there is a setting (optional) on iPhones that forces a complete deletion of all content after 10 failed attempts at accessing it. No way to tell if this phone has that setting enabled without either putting in the correct code or trying 10 times to see.

Also note that apparently this phone was backed up to iCloud regularly until 2 weeks before the massacre, and the FBI have those backups from Apple. This dispute is then over data added to the phone in the last 2 weeks only.

What Apple wants to fight is the precedent this sets. If it agrees, all iPhones will be subject to search by law enforcement on any pretext that a Judge wants to allow. The only solution will be for users to adopt secure pass phrases of at least 8 character length and to put up with any penalties imposed for refusing to reveal said pass phrase if such statutes exist. Penalties of course can’t be applied to deceased owners. I also think (IMHO of course) this is why the FBI is trying so hard in this context; this is a case where they hope to get wide-spread sympathy to obtain a precedent that they can then use in many more cases with more dubious justification.
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February 19, 2016 9:52am
starboard

gwiff, you are in need of your early morning spliff..run along, take mm with u. You can shotty each other.
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February 19, 2016 9:52am
Don the Kiwi

Thanks for that clip dime.

Actually, i watched another one of the links which told the story of Trump paying off a mortgage for a family who had struck hard times, and the bank was going to foreclose on their family farm.
Nice story.
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February 19, 2016 9:53am
howitis

and in news just to hand….

The pope says that the muslim refugees and economic migrants to Europe ‘are not very Christian’.
ENDS.
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February 19, 2016 9:54am
Reid

Get with the programme, Stephieboy – everyone knows Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min were Jewish. EAD will explain it to you.

Stalin was. Most people don’t know that and most people get hysterical at the very idea and refuse even to look into it. This is because as soon as they start thinking about it the whole holohoax propaganda that’s been rammed into their minds since childhood kicks in and forces them to hallucinate that instead of investigating a simple cold hard fact of “was he or wasn’t he?” one is rather trampling on the graves and spitting in the faces of people like these. This all happens subconsciously in a split-second and the poor person who’s mind isn’t their own anymore has no idea of course they’re doing it, they think they’re just being “a good person.” It’s very simple mind conditioning using pavlovian association and it’s been done right across the western world since WWII at the behest of and financed by people like these.

This is why people on here get hysterical when Israel uses white phosphorus on its imprisoned population and immediately think how unfortunate it is that Israel lives in a sea of hatred and its forced, reluctantly to take such measures when they happen. And yet when someone like Assad (according to the media) does a similar thing they have no problem condemning such barbarous behaviour. The inconsistency never occurs because, as I said, it’s all in the subconscious and they have no idea it’s going on.

So congratulations KD, for being one of the few people who don’t live in such a lie, surrounded by falsehoods, with a mind molested by evil, free, free, free at last! (Yes, I know you were being sarcastic, so was I, just then.)

BTW, for the big sillies with molested minds who are right now hallucinating I just “denied” the holocaust by calling it a holohoax, holohoax is the word I use for the propaganda meme inflicted upon you over the years to molest your minds in respect of how you are “properly” to view that tragic, factual historical event. If you hadn’t been so molested, then I wouldn’t have to explain myself to you, because the thought-crime of holocaust denial would not exist, because the propaganda meme would not exist. Think about it, no other similarly tragic event in history, from the deaths in the Russian revolution to the Armenian genocide to name just two, have such thought crimes attached to it, do they. For those, people are free in their minds to question, to discuss, to debate any aspect at all on those two events. Yet the Holocaust(TM) is sacred. (Free apart, of course, from the question of Jewish involvement in them. That question naturally, is also verbotten, in the minds of the molested. But you’re free to consider anything else. Aren’t you lucky.)
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February 19, 2016 9:55am
Keeping Stock

@ Captain Mainwaring (9.09am) – Penny is absolutely the wrong person to be talking about “defending the indefensible”.

What is indefensible is to be standing for Mayor of New Zealand’s largest city when you are $35k in debt to them (plus costs), and you still use all the services that ratepayers actually pay their money for, however reluctantly.

That is so indefensible, I’d ask our resident anti-corruption and transparency watchdog (self-appointed) to check it out, except that she is the one whose behaviour is indefensible! The stench of hypocrisy is strong here today, even 500km away.
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February 19, 2016 9:58am
tom hunter

Regarding the FBI-Apple dispute, one of the best examples of the argument I’ve seen was as follows:

Part 1: This is like the police asking a bank to open up a lockbox belonging to a known criminal, so they can see what’s inside.

Part 2: This is like the police being given the skeleton keys to every lockbox in every bank in the nation.

The challenges of modern technology to established law. Scalia would have loved this one.
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February 19, 2016 9:59am
doggone7

Shane Warne bitten by snake

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/77050875/shane-warne-bitten-on-head-by-anaconda-snake-in-jungle

Did the snake catch anything? Did it get a tetanus shot?
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February 19, 2016 10:05am
Kimbo

@ SGA

No, because (as I understand it), they are granted tax exempt status for the same reason as incorporated societies and other non-religious groups such as the Red Cross, etc, who exist primarily to do charitable/non-profit work.

Although it might be more accurate to say that some incorporated societies and other non-religious groups have come to share the tax exempt status of churches?

As churches were once the sole and inclusive source of charity,

….and their own officials, courts and means of revenue-gathering were accorded a “hands-off” status in the partnership with Caesar that was Christendom,

…and as our more flexible form of Westminster government does not demand an absolute separation of church and state as some hard-liners would wish to interpret and apply the American constitution

…then yes, that is a good summation of how historically and pragmatically we arrived at the current tax-exempt status of religious and other non-profit organisations. But then I am rather throwing caution to the wind in describing religion as “non-profit”, aren’t I?!

Now, who of the uber-secularists is going to be first to react? Griff, nasska, or the gnarly South Island parrot who is on my “do not mention” list? 10, 9, 8…
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February 19, 2016 10:07am
mikenmild

Reid
No one is restricting your right to believe, or write, whatever you wish about the Holocaust. You may well expose your ignorance when you do write obvious nonsense, but no one is preventing you from making a fool of yourself.
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February 19, 2016 10:09am
stephieboy

Reid, anyone including you can and do question the Holocaust .Howver it would be nice to produce some evidence as to why e.g the whereabouts of Poloands 2.3 million Jews and the 1.5 million who disappeared in Nazi occupied Russia .

Stalin a Jew ? News to me but he did marry one, his first wife I believe.

The facts are Stalin had eliminated most Jews holding key positions in the Communist party by the time the 1930s purges had finished .Interestingly the “Jewish ” Bolshevik rule that was in the end an abject failure collapsing in a heap 1991 or was there yet another Jewish conspiracy behind that also ?
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February 19, 2016 10:16am
wiseowl

Barking mad Hillary and mad Bernie.

What a choice!
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February 19, 2016 10:17am
Awww C-mon

wiseowl

“Barking mad Hillary and mad Bernie.

What a choice”

Or an another Bush or Trump

whole thing is a cluster-fuck
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February 19, 2016 10:19am
dime

“Or an another Bush or Trump”

Not really. Bush is polling at fuck all.

Trump, Cruz or Rubio.
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February 19, 2016 10:27am
Kimbo

@ Don the Kiwi

The pope has a right to his own POV. However, the problem arises when he opens his mouth on any topic, it becomes public, and is interpreted in the wider secular world that this is what the Catholic Church believes – which is not correct…Kimbo’s comment is on the button

Now if I can just convince you the same applies when the ~~anti-Christ~~ Pope purports to speak ex cathedra… 😉

Oh, and btw, I choose not to have an opinion on Donald Trump and his policies and pronouncements as it is the decision of Americans, just as I’d tell any foreigner to piss off when it comes to our own elections.

Although, I reckon, like Barry Goldwater, George Wallace and George McGovern and other wind of change/let’s do politics different” candidate, he would be an utterly undetectable presidential candidate.
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February 19, 2016 10:28am
Reid

Excellent summary of the Syrian conflict which the silly ole sheeple have supported from start to finish by their profound and I mean profound and utter stupidity. Remember we are talking about a whole country being turned into a bombsite, with millions displaced, millions raped, millions killed, while the silly ole sheeple have sat there, happily munching the green green grass of total and utter delusion which the murdering bastard neocons have been committing all of those crimes IN YOUR NAME.

In fifty or so years when the history of this period starts to be written, the whole world will look on you appalled, aghast at how you could be so profoundly fooled, played like violins, with the lesson of history from pre-war Germany at your fingertips and the current facts likewise, and yet, as the history will show, you idiots just sat there, saying absolutely nothing, while your elected leaders permitted and indeed designed and facilitated this rapine and murder USING YOUR TAXES.

While you are enjoying your Sunday, the insane neoconservatives who control Western foreign policy and their Turkish and Saudi Arabian vassals might be preparing the end of the world.

Any person who relies on Western media has no accurate idea of what is happening in Syria.
I will provide a brief summary and then send you to two detailed accounts.

The neoconservative Obama regime set-up the Syrian government headed by Assad for overthrow. A long propaganda campaign conducted in Washington’s behalf by the Western media portrayed the democratically-elected Assad as a “brutal dictator who uses chemical weapons against his own people.” Washington organized and supported a front group posing as democrats and involved them in conflict with the Syrian military.

With conflict underway, Washington began predicting that something had to be done to overthrow Assad before he used “chemical weapons against his own people.” Obama turned these predictions into a “red line.” When Assad used chemical weapons against Washington’s puppets, the US would invade Syria.

With the “red line” drawn, a false flag chemical weapons attack was staged, or an accident occurred, that Washington used to say that Assad, despite the US warning, had crossed the “red line.”

Preparations for an invasion began, but hit two roadblocks. David Cameron, Washington’s puppet prime minister of Great Britain was unable to deliver British support for the invasion as the Parliament voted it down. This left Washington uncovered and vulnerable to the charge of naked aggression, a war crime.

Russian diplomacy threw up the other road block by securing the removal of all chemical weapons from Syria.

Their invasion plan frustrated, the neoconservatives sent the jihadists they had used to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya to overthrow Assad. Initially known as ISIS, then ISIL, then the Islamist State, and now Daesh, a term that can be interpreted as an insult. Perhaps the intention of the name changes is to keep the Western public thoroughly confused about who is who and what is what.

Washington now pretends that it is fighting the Islamist State, but Washington is doing its best to frustrate the success of the Russian/Syrian alliance that is defeating the Islamist State..

Washington’s support of the Islamist State is the cause of the war in Syria. General Michael Flynn, the recently retired head of the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) has stated publicly that it was a “willful decision” of the Obama regime to support ISIS.

The neoconservative insistence that “Assad must go” comprises a threat to the security of Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hezbollah is the Lebanese force that has twice defeated Israel’s attempt to annex southern Lebanon for its water resources. Hezbollah is dependent on Syrian and Iranian support for its arms and financing. Israel wants rid of Hezbollah.

The Islamic State that Washington is trying to create in Syria would provide Washington with a means of destabilizing Iran and Russia by exporting jihadism into those countries. The Russian Federation has Muslim populations as do former provinces of the Soviet Union that now cooperate with Russia. By bogging down Russia in internal conflicts, Washington can move Russia out of the way of Washington’s exercise of hegemony. Similarly, non-Persian populations in Iran could be radicalized by jihadism and used to destabilize Iran.

In order to protect themselves, Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah have come to the support of Syria.

Russian air power in support of the Syrian Army has turned the tide against the Islamist State.
The invaders are being driven out. The neoconservatives cannot accept this defeat.

Washington is preparing a Syrian invasion by Turkey and Saudi Arabia, the purpose of which is to split Syria in half with Washington controlling the eastern part with the oil fields.

Possibly this is a bluff to get Russia to accept a Syrian settlement less favorable to Russian, Iranian, and Syrian interests. However, the Russian government cannot risk that it is only a bluff. If a US/Turkish/Saudi force were to arrive first in Raqqa and Deir Ezzor, Syria would be dismembered.

The Russians can get there first by dropping in paratroopers. In other words, what the insane neoconservatives are doing is giving the Russian government a big incentive to introduce Russian ground troops into the conflict. Once those troops are there, you can safely bet that the insane neoconservatives will cause conflict between them and US/Turkish forces. A wider war will have begun from which neither side can back down.

The Russians are there legally at the invitation of the Syrian government. The US is there illegally.

Here is a description of the race to Raqqa: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/02/the-race-to-raqqa-is-on-to-keep-its-unity-syria-must-win-.html

Here is The Saker’s take on the seriousness of the situation: http://thesaker.is/week-eighteen-of-the-russian-intervention-in-syria-a-dramatic-escalation-appears-imminent/
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February 19, 2016 10:29am
minus

Keeping Stock – there is also the actual expenditure to date of around $104,000 lawyer fees in a yet unsettled defamation case between Town and Bright, which also may reflect on Bright’s regard for the Auckland Council which she aspires to head.
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February 19, 2016 10:30am
Kimbo

%&$% spellcheck!

Trump is “unelectable”, not “undetectable”! There must be a Freudian slip in there somewhere
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February 19, 2016 10:35am
Viking2

Lucia Maria (3,804 comments) says:
February 19th, 2016 at 8:11 am

Wiseowl, that’s what popes do when politicians go too far. Trump is a lunatic the type of man that the US will seriously regret voting in as president – if it comes to that.
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As Trump rightly pointed out the man with the funny hat, smoke seller supreme will be pleased that Trump is President when ISIS reaches Rome which is there ultimate goal.

I see that The Pope is now suggesting those with this new virus will be forgiven their sins for using contraception.
A tiny we step in the right direction ignoring of course that plenty already do and get fined at the confessional for that.
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February 19, 2016 10:35am
Nookin

Could have been worse, Kimbo. Could have been “delectable”.
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February 19, 2016 10:39am
tom hunter

Muhahahahah.

Type the following in Google:

JebBush.com

And see what emerges as the first hit …..

Make America Great Again! | Donald J Trump for President
https://jebbush.com/
Donald J. Trump is the very definition of the American success story, continually setting the standards of excellence in business, real estate and entertainment.

Apparently the Jeb Bush campaign – all $100 million of it – forgot to renew the domain names for the website, and the Trump campaign pounced.

Come on Jeb: tell us about your competence and experience again. I love that shit.
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February 19, 2016 10:41am
Griff

Come on tom tell us what you think of Trump .

I see the birther wonks have started on some random Canadian .

I love that shit……
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February 19, 2016 10:47am
stephieboy

Reid a few of the actual myths and realities behind Assad’s Syria ,

Russia’s Bizarre, Barely Coherent Defence It Didn’t Bomb Hospitals in Syria,

Following this weeks earlier attacks on medical facilities in Syria run by Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) the Russian Defence Ministry has published a statement explaining why it’s not responsible for the attacks. Much of the statement is a mess of barely coherent claims, and reads closer to a conspiracy theory than a statement from a serious organisation. The Russian Defence Ministry attacks MSF, questioning whether or not the facilities actually had anything to do with MSF in the first place;

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2016/02/17/russias-barely-coherent-defence-it-didnt-bomb-hospitals-in-syria/

What Russia’s Own Videos and Maps Reveal About Who They Are Bombing in Syria

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Bellingcat began geolocating and independently verifying videos published by the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) after initial reports from the ground indicated that Russian airstrikes destroyed position held by the Free Syrian Army and other groups rather than the Islamic State (or ISIS). Bellingcat has geolocated, verified, and visualized each airstrike published by the Russian MoD on its official YouTube channel as of 25 October. The outcome of our work is unequivocal: the overwhelming majority of Russian airstrikes have targeted positions held by non-ISIS rebel groups posing a more immediate threat to the Syrian regime and its head, Bashar al-Assad. In contrast, ISIS strongholds have rarely been attacked: out of 60 strikes recorded on video, only one has been confirmed to be both at the location indicated by the MoD and against ISIS; 14 other strikes said to target ISIS were, indeed, geolocated to the claimed locations, but none of those areas are kn

you://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2015/10/26/what-russias-own-videos-and-maps-reveal-about-who-they-are-bombing-in-syria/
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February 19, 2016 10:49am
All_on_Red

Regarding the US Mexico Wall.Do you guys realise that there is already 930kms of wall already up on the 3400kms of border?
Maybe Trumps right and the other 2500kms could be done. Let’s face it, he’s built more than Obama ever has.
Oh. And as for the Popes criticism of the wall. I’ve been to the Vatican twice and it has some of the biggest *fuck off* walls I’ve ever seen!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_barrier
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February 19, 2016 10:51am
doggone7

Paulus @ 8:29 am “Am I the only one who is tired of watching the prizes for the “best of everything” McCaw and the All Blacks in the lauding media.”

Yeah, it’s bloody disgusting. I hope those damned rugby players start losing and keep losing over the next few years and totally bomb out at the next World Cup. That’d soon put a stop to all that being lauded stuff.

And another thing while I’m on about people achieving and being made a fuss of, it got me going right to the end that they kept lauding Edmund Hillary until his end – and all he did was climb a big mountain and that years before.

As for the women’s magazine stuff about those rugby players and others and the other crap media coverage of trivialities, don’t start me off. No-one, I mean absolutely NO-ONE wants to read or see that stuff do they? ?
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February 19, 2016 11:11am
Don the Kiwi

” I’ve been to the Vatican twice and it has some of the biggest *fuck off* walls I’ve ever seen!”

Yes A O R.

I’m afraid the pope is talking through a hole in his zuchetto. 🙂

Kimbo.

Aaahh yes. “ex cathedra” is a different and other story. 😉
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February 19, 2016 11:14am
Scott

I thought what Trump said about the Pope’s comments was pretty good. Trump is the only one who said he is going to destroy Isis and he is going to protect the Christians in the Middle East who even now are routinely being slaughtered and crucified by Muslim terrorists.

Trump has a lot of support from evangelicals and other Christians in the United States. Recently the senior pastor of Dallas first Baptist Church endorsed him.

Contrast this with the current president of the United States who seems to have no concern about what’s happening to the Christian community in the Middle East, whose most hearts blood cry is to apologise to the Muslims in America for Muslimophobia and who has been consistently the most anti-Christian “Christian” President in United States history.

Even George Bush didn’t seem to do anything to protect the Christians in the Middle East. When America invaded Iraq the plight of the Christians in Iraq became worse and worse.

So if Trump does what he says he will do and actually protects the Christians in the Middle East then he will be doing a great thing. And the Pope can feel free to comment on political matters as religious leaders are able to do, but in this situation he could be wrong.
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February 19, 2016 11:17am
Manolo

Il Papa è un povero venditore di fumo. Il Pontefice è solo questo.
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February 19, 2016 11:18am
starboard

This cnut is deserving of one copper head to the temple

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/77061764/christchurch-school-bus-driver-admits-sexually-abusing-12-disabled-girls
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February 19, 2016 11:18am
VicParking

Why do we call it LEAKED when in fact it was STOLEN
Why with a population of over 200,000,000 how come the USA can only put up fuckwits to stand for president.
Why does the failing newspaper lead with headlines that are not at all mentioned in the article (Halbergs: Did the judges get it right)
Why is building wall un-christian but fiddling with little boys is
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February 19, 2016 11:20am
B.L.Zeebub

Aucklands traffic woes miraculously disappear,cops get a windfall taxing empty bus lanes.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11592200

Te union has shit in its own nest,the `tard gloating on P Henry this morn that the intended disruption to commuters was “unintentional” won`t be too happy.
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February 19, 2016 11:20am
dime

The pope is a filthy socialist.
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February 19, 2016 11:34am
Stars And Stripes

Had another look at your geopolitics website Reid run from Stall 56 of that fish market in the Southern Philippines to see what other conspiracies they were cooking up and oh look surprise surprise Judge Scalia was murdered and they even provide evidence such as “Texas is home turf of the Bushes”.
It’s a wonder your man has any time to sell 5 peso fish pieces while dreaming up all this stuff.
http://geopolitics.co/2016/02/16/khazarians-aim-for-a-chilling-effect-on-judge-scalias-murder/
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February 19, 2016 11:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like we can’t rely on 111 operators to know where any location is.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/296914/'here-comes-another-one,-he's-gonna-get-shot-too‘

I’ve told the hubby we are going to have to be careful in which part of Gizzy we are if we have an emergency….
Could be a long wait for help if we semi-kark it on Kaiti hill, aka Titirangi; or down on Waikanae Beach or Muriwai beach or out at Wainui; or over at Awapuni or Te Karaka.
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February 19, 2016 11:43am
EAD

I enjoyed this comment – one for the self loathing Stephieboys & Mouldymike SJW types:

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/the-amazing-you-tube-videos-of.html?m=1#comment-2521054813

1 ) Did you know that the European race is not uniquely cruel and evil or capable of acts of cruelty that no other race would commit. ?

2 ) Did you know that the White man didn’t run around giving American Indians small pox infected blankets as a way to eradicate them ?

3 ) Did you know that Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Amerindians,Asians, Mongols, etc etc have never lost a wink of sleep crying and sobbing or apologising for the tens of millions of people they have conquered, colonised, genocided, enslaved and
oppressed ?

4 ) Did you know that White people are the only race on earth and in history that can be cynically hoodwinked, and cattle prodded into adopting collective racial guilt as a religion that has inserted itself into every aspect of their lives by an army of self righteous pseudo.intelectual fanatical hacks. ?

5 ) Did you know that for the last 60 years, the White race has been the only race on the planet that it has been possible to collectively slander, offend, insult, indict, demonise, stereotype, and ethnically replace with utter and total impunity. ? Did you know that millions of White SJWs have evolved an ideology to glorify this racial self hatred as the highest act of charity one can aspire to and a sign of being more culturally sophisticated and enlightened it ?

6 ) Did you know that within 14 days of enrolling at art college , any White 18 year old can become a fully qualified card carrying Social Justice Warrior , modern day Brahmin and Philosopher King without ever having read a book. All you have to do is be a “Liberal”. ?

7 ) Did you know that by sheer knee jerk reflex your typical White SJW is the kind of person who feels far more of an affinity with the natives of Papau New Guinea who have contributed nothing to the world, apart from cannibalism, than they do to their own European civilization that has created the modern world ?

8 ) Did you know that your typical SJW can’t quite fathom that they can’t have the kind of hedonistic and secure life style they take for granted without the historical European peoples that have made it possible in the first place. ?

9 ) Did know that White SJW’s have for the last 50 years been waging a full blown cynical and wicked campaign of racial identity politics and collective defamation against White people as way to gain social approval and higher social status because it has become so incentivised ?

10 ) Did you know that the reason that being ” anti-racist ” in the West has become so popular is because its the cheapest virtue any White person can buy , because you don’t have to actually do anything or make any personal sacrifices of face any risks to be one?
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February 19, 2016 11:49am
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/77060626/tvnz-bernadine-oliverkerby-ends-fulltime-role-and-leaves-one-news

Nooooooooooooo !

BOK is the only piece of eye candy on TV with a great rack..

Oh the humanity ..!
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