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Kea

Awwwwful, Reid is frustrated and making a point. A valid one. The mess in the Middle East, and the issues we have with radical Islam, are due entirely to the USA’s actions and for no other reason. The motivation is largely oil and religion.

The USA is no longer a force for good, if they ever were. They have supported, and continue to support, some of the most horrific regimes on earth. They supported Saddam when he gassed thousands of Iranians, when he attacked that country. They supported Chechen Muslim separatists when they attacked Russia. They are now joining ISIS in droves. They supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. The list goes on and on…
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February 16, 2016 10:17pm
Reid

Reid they don’t get it. They do not understand they really are responsible for all that because they lend their approval to the governments actions, based on propaganda and manufactured outrage.

There is no excuse for it in the age of the internet.

No, none at all.

Reid you little fucking monkey, keyboard warriors like you with no balls between their legs would speak to me like that in person so don’t do it here you little mumble fuck. Go back to your fucking conspiracies and wet nurse arsehole…no little fucker calls me child rapist without getting told to shut the fuck up.

So what would you call say, Saudi’s who send donations to ISIS, AC?

And given, it’s a proven fact beyond any doubt whatsoever admitted even by the very US DoD, that the West does precisely the same thing, how does that make you as a Western taxpayer any different from a Saudi who does that?

Given you have the internet to tell you what’s happening to your taxes and given you’ve never objected to your taxes being used just like the Saudi ISIS donor’s are?

Eh?

What’s the answer?

Truth hurts, don’t it.

As an adult, you’ve got two choices. Agree to go with the program and join the same club as the Saudi ISIS donors, or object.

OTY.

Not rocket science, is it.

As I explained an hour or so ago when I started the conversation.
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February 16, 2016 10:17pm
Shawn Herles

Atheist hatred + Jew hatred + Anti-American bigotry + ignorance = kea.
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February 16, 2016 10:17pm
Shawn Herles

Insanity + Jew hatred + Anti-American bigotry + ignorance = Reid.
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February 16, 2016 10:20pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 10:04 pm

Reid, citing whackjob conspiracy web sites that also claim … that aliens forced the US off the Moon

That would have been the Selene Cong, I assume.
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February 16, 2016 10:20pm
stigie

“I genuinely feel for her”

You are a bigger man than i Keeping Stock because i cant feel for a person who blatantly bludges the services of the Auckland Council that other ratepayers are paying for. Fucking disgrace really !~
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February 16, 2016 10:21pm
Shawn Herles

As RichardX has pointed out several times recently, none of Reid’s claims or predictions have been true. They are a mix of seriously whacked sources, extreme paranoia, hatred and spittle flecked ranting.

Reid has made multiple predictions of a global economic collapse, citing specific dates, none of which have come true.

Reid is the proverbial boy who cried wolf one too many times.

Zero credibility.
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February 16, 2016 10:23pm
Reid

Truth

Love

War

Lies
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February 16, 2016 10:27pm
Kea

Shawn, so when I repeatedly say Jews are my least disliked desert cult and Muslims my most disliked, that is “Jew hatred” ?

You know bearing false witness is a sin right ? It really is a shame there is no hell for you to rot in, because you have worked so hard to earn it.

You also need to have a literate person read the NEW TESTAMENT to you.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another” (John 13:34-35).

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets” (Matthew 7:12).

“But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked (Luke 6:35).
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February 16, 2016 10:29pm
Shunda barunda

I love you Kea
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February 16, 2016 10:32pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn, so when I repeatedly say Jews are my least disliked desert cult and Muslims my most disliked, that is “Jew hatred” ?”

You like to lie to cover your ass. A bit like a guy who says “Idon’t hate black people, I just think they are all bad.” But yes, your many rants against the Jews, including the one that got you a strike, prove your hatred of Jews.

“If the Jew does not like it here, it can crawl back to it’s nest in Israel.” followed by “I don’t hate Jews” is not credible kea.

Lying IS a sin.
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February 16, 2016 10:33pm
Jack5

I’ve just read Leftist pundit Chris Trotter’s piece in Fairfax papers likening the Syrian war to the situation in Serbia on the outbreak of World War 1. In my view, Trotter, as he does from time to time, showed his ignorance of history. Chris Trotts out in part:

The fatal flaw in the great powers’ relationship with Serbia in the early twentieth century was that Serbia had geopolitical aspirations that could only be satisfied by a general European war. The Serbian dream was to become the leader of a new South Slav (Yugoslav) kingdom carved out of the Balkan provinces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. That was never going to happen while Austria-Hungary endured. Serbia wanted – Serbia needed – a general European war.

Trotter goes on to say:

All the major powers understood the risk Serbia posed, but each of them had too much at stake in the Balkans to hazard bringing the criminal Belgrade regime to heel.

It was far more complicated than that. The assassination occurred in Sarajevo, then (reluctantly) part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. When Archduke Franz Ferdinand was shot by a Bosnian-Serb nationalist, Gavrilo Princip, Austria-Hungary virtually forced Serbia into a corner that made war inevitable.

Trotter ignores that Russia, and via Russia, France, were allies of Serbia. He ignores the fact that the ultimatum Vienna gave to the Serbians after the assassination was so Draconian it might be interpreted as being designed to be unacceptable. To describe Serbia as the “criminal Belgrade regime” is ridiculous. Serbian officials or ex-officials seem to have been involved in the assassination plot, but Vienna seemed to regard the assassination as a chance to subjugate all the southern Slavs.

If the Serbians had “geopolitical aspirations” they were to create Yugoslavia. The Austro-Hungarian empire was already rusting and creaking. To argue that Serbia wanted and needed a European war is a big leap. The ultimatum to Serbia that led to the war made demands well beyond those required if Vienna merely wanted justice for the assassins.

Syria is, or began as, a civil war. IMHO, the stand-off with Serbia was the Austrian-Hungarian empire seeing a chance to take over all the southern Slav lands. Vienna stupidly did not foresee Russia, and through Russia, France, would stand by Serbia.
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February 16, 2016 10:33pm
Kea

Shunda barunda , then you are a true disciple of Christ and your reward will be great. 🙂

Shawn is fucked though.
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February 16, 2016 10:34pm
Kea

Syria is a civil war.

Jack5, bullshit.

Syria was attacked and invaded by imported Jihadists. They aligned with various malcontents in Syria, but Syrian nationals were not the cause of all this.

The USA could back various groups of malcontents here in NZ and do the same thing. Syria was attacked by Muslim nut jobs backed by the USA.
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February 16, 2016 10:39pm
Reid

Syria is a civil war.

No it’s not Jack, it’s a regime change. Always has been. What about this don’t you understand?
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February 16, 2016 10:40pm
pentwig

Kea (14,925 comments) says:
February 16th, 2016 at 9:07 pm
Religious hatred + fear + ignorance = Shawn

Na. Religious hatred + fear + ignorance = Kea.

The racist, bigoted, no brained, chardonney socialist, guilt ridden twat.
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February 16, 2016 10:40pm
Kea

Oh look what crawled out of the whale-bog ^^^

An illiterate cretin. I suspect he is one of the moderators. Be gone foul cretin, you are bringing the tone of place down, and that’s saying something on GD at this time of night ❗
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February 16, 2016 10:45pm
Reid

Well I didn’t hold a whole lot of hope for the Trump doco aired on TV One tonight and I wasn’t disappointed. What a bunch of airhead lightweight moronic crap aimed at bimbos looking for a reason to hate on someone they never liked anyway.

As opposed to something insightful.

That’s the first doco I’ve watched on NZ TV in around five years, and based on that it’s going to be at least double that before I watch another, probably more.

And I bet I’m at least twice better informed than any of the morons who rely solely on that crap to educate themselves. I just wish my taxes didn’t support it.
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February 16, 2016 10:46pm
Nostradamus

Renderer:

Bad luck Stigie the fuckwits are already gathering to “chip in” on her facebook page.They have worked outthat they only need 2000 to chip in $17 each. The Frank Spencer of Auckland politics has not read the judgement and will hold off commenting until she does. It will take some time for a sharpened judicial brain to absorb the judgement and give a considered opinion.

Your comment prompted me to look at Penny Bright’s Facebook page for the first time ever.

Here’s a sample:

Nanster Norman WAIT A MINUTE… look at the date on the article…. its for TOMORROW….. not today’s news.. how can they date something in the future??? Get my drift? Hmmm!

Mischele Rhodes How the hell the Press knew before you Penny SMELLS !?!? And apart from that have they come up with “showing the figures” yet ???

Pene Torea Tautoko bro Keen as Always out to help Penny She’s Awesome does Awesome Mahi! Even came to Kirikiriroa to help us with Our Water review plus She Went to Aussie in a Conference for Us The People

My goodness. Now I know where all the nutjobs gather!
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February 16, 2016 10:47pm
Shunda barunda

In some ways Syria has become the point where the tide turned, the point where the old tactics of the USA and their disastrous regime changing activities that wrecked havoc in places like Libya is being challenged and exposed for what it really is.

Not much comfort for the locals at the moment, but it the way the shit has hit the fan and splattered all over the place will perhaps ensure that things are done differently in the future.
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February 16, 2016 10:50pm
Reid

In some ways…

In every way.

Not much comfort for the locals at the moment, but it the way the shit has hit the fan and splattered all over the place will perhaps ensure that things are done differently in the future.

No it won’t. Because the Western media is the lynchpin in all the plans and they won’t change. They’re responsible for the somnolence over e.g. 911 and they will make sure the sheeple remain somnolent over Syria.

If the sheeple ever wake up and realise what’s been done in their name, they will lynch every single Western political leader that same day, then they’ll start on the capitalists who’ve commissioned the crimes, the scientists who’ve designed them, the bureaucrats who’ve stood by and allowed the crimes to happen on their watch. Then they’ll turn on the people who should have told them: the media.
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February 16, 2016 10:52pm
pentwig

Kea.
You are a frightful apology of a human. Go back to the strandred where they should love you. Or did they throw you out of there as well!! At least they did something right (no pun intended).
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February 16, 2016 10:53pm
Jack5

Kea. it’s time to put the blanket over your cage, so you can tuck your dear little head under your dear little wing, and dream of the Fermat–Catalan conjecture. The brain can do a lot of good work while you sleep.

Goodnight, clever parrot. See you on K-Day +10 😈
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February 16, 2016 10:53pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

I bet I’m at least twice better informed than any of the morons who rely solely on that crap to educate themselves. I just wish my taxes didn’t support it.

Here’s where our taxpayer money is going Reid:

New Zealand: A User’s Guide $572,632
Minority Reports $400,000
The Nation 2016 $900,000
Pukana Subtitles 2016 $58,960
Grand Designs NZ 2 $900,000
The Dna Detectives 2 $1,279,725
The Brokenwood Mysteries 3 $4,036,000
Ben And Olivia: Searching For The Truth $1,037,660
Great War Stories 2016 & 2017 $197,108
Comedy Gala 2016 $114,396
Find Me A Maori Bride 2 $590,000
My Year With Helen $199,000
Topp Country 3 $746,007
Q + A 2016 $846,000
Toa Hunter Gatherer $240,000

And that’s only TV funding!

There’s lot’s of taxpayer money for radio, music and digitial too!
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February 16, 2016 10:55pm
Jack5

Reid posted at 10.40 of the Syrian war:

it’s a regime change. Always has been. What about this don’t you understand?

I don’t understand why a civil war isn’t a regime change. I thought that was the whole bloody point.
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February 16, 2016 10:57pm
Reid

Nosty is that supposed to depress or please me? FWIW it’s depressed me…

Jack I’ll give you the run down on the players tomorrow, I can’t be bothered looking up the refs tonight, but the geopolitics are quite simple. Remind me tomorrow when you come on, or the next day. Whenever, I don’t care. But it’s a short read and very clear.
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February 16, 2016 10:59pm
stigie

Nostra:-

Wonder if she’s got the gall to show up here tomorrow…? Hang on a minute…of course she will, she’s a narcissist !~
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February 16, 2016 11:01pm
Jack5

Good one Nostradamus.

Creative NZ is a rort that the MSM pundits who go on and on about the need for investigative journalism are happy to ignore.
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February 16, 2016 11:02pm
Jack5

Reid (10.59): remember you’re a sheepleherd talking to us sheeple. So keep it sheeort and sheeimple for us.
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February 16, 2016 11:03pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

Nosty is that supposed to depress or please me?

Well, let me provide more information, and we’ll take your pulse reading every 30 seconds for the next 30 minutes:

NZ On Air will invest $5.27 million in a sparkling line-up of new and returning documentary and factual programmes exploring New Zealand’s stories and characters.
…
A feature-length observational documentary on former Prime Minister Helen Clark has been supported, along with the NZ Film Commission. My Year With Helen will follow Helen Clark for a year in her role as head of the United Nations Development Programme.

And a new series for Māori Television Toa Hunter Gatherer is a hunting programme with a twist – a focus on ethical and spiritual practise [sic] in hunting.

Good grief – following Helen for a year and showcasing some mumbo-jumbo about “ethical and spiritual practice in hunting”.

“The projects we have supported this round are excellent and diverse and we very much look forward to seeing them on our screens. Sadly we have had to decline several other very good projects due to insufficient funds remaining,” said NZ On Air Chief Executive Jane Wrightson.

The $5.3 million worth of projects supported came from an overall pool of applications in this genre seeking $14 million.

And to think they’d spend more taxpayer money on this stuff if they had the chance!
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February 16, 2016 11:05pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Wonder if she’s got the gall to show up here tomorrow…?

I hope she does Stigie. There’s lots of questions that need answering!
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February 16, 2016 11:09pm
Reid

Reid (10.59): remember you’re a sheepleherd talking to us sheeple. So keep it sheeort and sheeimple for us.

Jack remember you can change from a sheeple to a sheeple-no-more in a twinkle of the eye, a single heartbeat, a milli-second, with no effort at all.

All you have to do is open your mind.

Once the eliminate the impossible, whatever’s left, no matter how improbable, HAS to be the truth.

That’s all you have to do.

The issue is, you’ve spent your whole life building up the impossible into your version of reality.

The way I did it when I was starting out, was simply to tell myself, avoid conclusions. Don’t decide now, 5 mins in, 10 mins in, 30 mins, you don’t need to. Just wait.

Your training tells you, you MUST decide. You MUST decide NOW.

All you need do is resist that. Because its not true.

Besides, it goes against Conan-Doyle’s dictum.

Open mind.

Sift the evidence.

Wait till it’s all in.

Then, and only then, decide.

Otherwise, you’re no better than the cop who decides who dunnit and makes the evidence fit the case, but he doesn’t even know he’s doing it.

You don’t want to be like that.

Nosty I’m very depressed indeed now, thanks for that, but perhaps I shall dream of sunlite uplands of quaity drama whereupon TVNZ execs fear to tread for fear of fierce lions and such. I certainly hope so.
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February 16, 2016 11:22pm
Left Right and Centre

(1) Run, run and running . . . Asian woman. 60-70 ? Four feet tall. Walking on footpath. I’m running toward her, we’re facing each other. I’m doing 13.8km/h. Her head is stuck fast in the look at ground angle, lost in her phone, grinning like a retard. And she even meanders a bit diagonally just as I get near. I shout at her from 5-10 metres away ‘look where you’re going’. I had a young Asian woman the other week. Same problem. No shouting that time – but yeah – that’s Asians for you. A culture of ignoring everything around them, then they’re right in your way and just a pain in the arse. It does throw me off my stride dealing with idiots – it minorly nigglingly sucks.

Just for contrast – other people – approaching them from behind even, somehow manage to pick up someone – and very kindly go single file to let you past easily. Like these three young brown fellas today did. Picked me up from miles away. But not the Asians. They are just so queer to deal with. An empty wheelie bin I can push out of the way. Not allowed to push those fuckers out of the way, are ya ? Noooooo – then *I’d* be in the wrong – for happily clearing my path of useless braindead obstacles.

It’s funny how they’re all the same, eh ? Case by case, yeah ? Don’t apply an ethnic stereotype, yeah ? Sorry mate – out in the real world – every Asian I come across shuts out the world around them. I don’t know how they cross the street – have to actually pay attention to external stimuli – nerdy looking little twerps.

When these losers were let in by our dear politicians they should have covered all this crap – *how to use a footpath in the West*. *How to share public spaces in the West*. Little pictures of one person, then two people approaching each other – allow room for the other person. Keep a casual eye out for your fellow humanoids – it’s unlikely that you will be the only person out walking that day. You answered ‘C’ – walk all over the middle with head down worse than a blind man. Please, try again.
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February 17, 2016 3:08am
Keeping Stock

“I genuinely feel for her”

You are a bigger man than i Keeping Stock because i cant feel for a person who blatantly bludges the services of the Auckland Council that other ratepayers are paying for. Fucking disgrace really !~

I would feel for anyone who got kicked out of their own home stigie, but as I noted in my comment, Ms Bright has only herself to blame for her predicament. She should have put the rates money aside in a separate account, instead of spending it on jetting off to conferences here, there and everywhere. Perhaps attending all the anti-corruption conferences was to salve her own conscience, because she knew deep down that what she was doing by refusing to meet her legal obligations was both legally wrong and morally indefensible.

Anyway, well done to whichever High Court Judge it was who saw past all the bullshit and bluster, and made a decision that almost every ratepayer in Auckland will applaud.
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February 17, 2016 6:25am
Keeping Stock

Hell hath no fury like a blogger’s wife scorned. Spanish Bride puts on her steel-capped stilettos, and puts the boot into Ms Bright well and truly, and justifiably so. I love the sound of chickens coming home to roost ?

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/02/face-of-the-day-949/
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February 17, 2016 6:36am
Nookin

KS

It seems that the saga may not yet be over. Penny’s interpretation of the rule of law allows her to elect which rules apply to her and which may be shrugged off as an inconvenience.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/76968303/auckland-council-declares-a-win-but-penny-bright-wont-back-down

Effectively, this must rule her out of the mayoralty race. It is inconceiveable that she could be the figurehead of a city to which she owes $34000 (I imagine costs have yet to be quantified). I note that there has been no mention of the defamation proceedings. I would have thought that the Auckland constituency would be entitled to know the state of the proceedings and how a candidate expects to establish a working relationship with someone whom she is suing.

Still, having read some of the comments on GD last night, it is clear that others (Reid) have fallen further from their trolley. Actually, I wonder if Reid is her campaign manager.

New World and Countdown will relish the increase in sales of tin foil.
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February 17, 2016 6:54am
Keeping Stock

@ Nookin

“It ain’t over. I’ve got to read the judgment first but there will most likely be an appeal,” she said.

For her dodgy grammar alone, she should be barred from standing for Mayor!
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February 17, 2016 7:09am
alex Masterley

I just caught up on the news Ms Bright was unsuccessful in her efforts to avoid liability for her rate debt.
What a good way to start a day.
I feel sorry for the poor High Court Judge who gets lumped with her appeal.
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February 17, 2016 7:18am
Keeping Stock

It’ll be a Court of Appeal bench, won’t it Alex? And remember how Ms Bright reckoned she knew the law better than the Court of Appeal bench which heard John Banks’ appeal, and acquitted him? Do Judges have long memories?
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February 17, 2016 7:25am
Manolo

True to form, the deluded candidate will go down ~~fighting~~ bludging.
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February 17, 2016 7:27am
Nookin

KS

The district court dealt with this case. If she appeals, it will go the the High Court. She will be directed to pay security for costs on appeal. She will then appeal that direction on the basis that, as a self appointed watchdog, she is a very important person and is therefore above that sort of mundane consideration that applies to all other plebs like you and me.
Her appeal will be struck out because of non-compliance with Court directions. She wil appeal that decision. There will be various applications for judges to recuse themselves because they have ruled against her previously and she doesn’t like them and for the recall of various judgments on the ground that a full stop was missed and the proceedings were not fulled recorded and transcribed.

Her mate Siemer will write about the oppressive nature of our legal system and allege bias against her. She will mount a huge publicity campaign saying That John Key is behind it and that Bank of America is funding the litigation. She will appeal to the UN and maintain that she is a political prisoner in her own house.
All this time she will be on KB denouncing her critics for failing to recognise the rule of law. She will continue to condemn the council for the manner in which it provides services to which she contributes nothing/nowt/zero/zip.

When Bernie Sanders falls by the wayside, she will announce that she is NZ’s Che. She will wear a beret and a bandolier. (I think the beret is here already).
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February 17, 2016 7:56am
Jack5

K-Day +10 and Kea is at times making noise about Jews and Israel. Bit worrying. This could be fatal for her. Fever? Psittacosis early stages? Who has been overfeeding her? Our Cherokee? The Islamic delegation? 😎
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February 17, 2016 5:18pm
Jack5

Was it Kea who brought up Chomsky above?

Another clever bird. His linguistic theory is pretty much overtaken, and the link below is for anyone whose interested in argument against it. Incidentally this article provides us with a diversion from the usual topics with reference to ideophones and explains the word class:

An ideophone is a fully fledged word type that integrates different sensory experiences arising in a single action: to pick one example, the word ribuy-tibuy, from the northern Indian language Mundari, describes the sight, motion and sound of a fat person’s buttocks as he walks.

From Wikipedia some English-language ideophones:

boing; the sound of a spring being released
boom; the sound of an explosion
bang; the sound of a gunshot
bling-bling; glitter, sparkle
doh!; expressing the feeling of having been tricked or a feeling of frustration
huh!; expressing that one is not impressed
pitter-patter; the sound of rain drops
swish; the sound of swift movement
splish-splash; the sound of water splashing
wow!; expressing admiration or surprise
… and, for Shawn, from Navajo (sorry couldn’t find any from Cherokee):
dil dil; sound of several people walking
k’az k’az; sound of shearing sheep

On Chomsky:

https://aeon.co/essays/the-evidence-is-in-there-is-no-language-instinct
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February 17, 2016 5:37pm
Kea

“Was it Kea who brought up Chomsky above?”

Jack5, No it was Lucy trying to get into my head.
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