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Scott Chris

Just as an aside, could it be that the reason why anyone reading this post is quite likely to be the center of the universe is because of the sequence of time? Events can’t happen backwards without a fundamental shift in the nature of physics so from any philosophically aware perspective surely Now = Center of Universe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything
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February 12, 2016 5:48pm
Shawn Herles

“The fact that the answer does not comply with your pre-ordained framework does not necessarily imply a response is evasive.”

Your response WAS evasive.
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February 12, 2016 5:49pm
Shawn Herles

“deficits mean we are enhancing both consumption and investment growth with the extra imports – more TVs, more planes, more machinery, more production etc. It’s a virtuous cycle.”

Sounds like the ghost of Keynes speaking. Blaze is obviously not old enough to remember the 70’s.
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February 12, 2016 5:52pm
Jack5

BlazeofBlight’s 5.22 post included:

… and, eventually, in theory, our exchange rates should fall to reduce the deficits.

Eventually? In the long term we are all dead, as your hero, Keynes, might have said.

Floating exchange rates aren’t doing their part of the work. Prices fall for NZ’s key export – dairy products – but the currency doesn’t fall, because the movement of official interest rates in the United States is what is driving the exchange rates.
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February 12, 2016 5:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Scott Chris

You may think I am the centre of the Universe (as I am reading your post) but I suspect I’m just passing through a bit of local fluff.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/universo/cosmos15.htm
(3rd image down)
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February 12, 2016 6:01pm
Kimbo

@ blazeoflight

The fact that the answer does not comply with your pre-ordained framework does not necessarily imply a response is evasive.

In fact, I have tried to be anything but, whilst you bait and switch and randomly deflect.

As opposed to the realism of your answer that “leadership” is all that is required to convince people to throw open their floodgates to asylum-seekers in an act of economic, cultural and national suicide?! But then, like me, the vast majority of Kiwis and Aussies must be labouring under a delusional “pre-ordained framework”. Good luck with selling them that Marxism thing
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February 12, 2016 6:07pm
Gabby

Were your knuckles itching RF?
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February 12, 2016 6:11pm
tavita

I got a nice email from the green woman telling me that she has spent the last two weeks in immersion te reo and that she was delighted to be able to make a 10 minute address to parliament in maori. Wonderful. In addition to being irrelevant and illogical, green policies are now incomprehensible.
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February 12, 2016 6:15pm
blazeoflight

@Kimbo

Yes, they are, exactly.

And I don’t do Marx. I buy his class warfare overview, I think, but I don’t like revolutions, with special exceptions.

@Jack5

So Germany I have dealt with. They are doing the world a disservice with their mercantilist policies.

China actually should run trade surpluses. It is an emerging economy still, relatively low percapita GDP, and is dragging its people out of poverty

Conflating the two is comparing chalk with cheese.

Now listen, reasonable people can disagree on this stuff but lets have a discussion instead instead of a slanging match and attributing to me stuff I never said – like being invulnerable to crisis.
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February 12, 2016 6:24pm
Scott Chris

Maggy Wassilieff (2,721 comments) says:
February 12th, 2016 at 6:01 pm

You may think I am the centre of the Universe

Assuming you read this I guess you are. (less reaction time, speed of light, our relative speeds etc)
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February 12, 2016 6:28pm
Kimbo

@ blazeoflight

And I don’t do Marx. I buy his class warfare overview, I think, but I don’t like revolutions, with special exceptions.

Isn’t that like saying “I like omelettes, but there is usually no need to break any eggs to get ’em”? Or is that too, a “bait-and-switch/random deflection”?!

Btw Bracewell bowled Voges, umpire called it a no ball…and it wasn’t. Now that, in the context of the Aussie sooking the other night, is a true crime against humanity!
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February 12, 2016 6:30pm
blazeoflight

But if the ump hadn’t screamed no ball, would Voges had left it?

I take your point on Marx, but I don’t think I’m willing to delve any deeper into an essentially archaic thesis.
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February 12, 2016 6:38pm
blazeoflight

Oh, Jack, trade is not cargo cult stuff.

That’s ridiculous.

Trade is these days increasingly based on genuine competitive advantage. But CA is always an evolving reality. Today, dairy maybe ours, but in 20, 30 forty years, who knows?
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February 12, 2016 6:44pm
Viking2

Another day and another dopey Judge who is frightened to uphold the LAW as prescribed by Parliament.

Another plainly bad bastard given a hospital pass.

The High Court decision in Kingi, delivered today, is that it would be manifestly unjust to apply the three strikes requirement of life without parole to a murderer warned of that likelihood in sentencing for robbery only a few months before he murdered.

The judgment should have been one paragraph long:

You were warned. Parliament has deliberately restricted our discretions to send a clear message to people like you. I will be betraying our constitution, and undermining the law if I waste more time in running through the complicated mitigating and aggravating considerations superseded when Parliament passed that law. So you are sentenced according to the law to life imprisonment without parole. Take him down.

Instead the judge mentions the three strikes direction formulaically, then goes on for pages adressing “Mr Kingi” applying the baffling methodology that would have prevailed under preceding law. He finishes by sentencing as if the law had not been changed, except for a plainly ritual fresh three strikes warning.

It even includes the inflammatory express reservation that if Kingi commits yet another murder it might still be manifestly unjust to apply the mandatory three strikes life-means-life sentence.

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/another-judge-decides-plain-effect-of-law-is-manifestly-unjust-dispenses-with-it/
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February 12, 2016 7:11pm
RF

Gabby. 6.10pm. I carefully disengaged the safety strap on my holster with my thumb and slid my right index finger down to the trigger guard. His bowels then turned to water. My work is now done and I can stand down. Sleep well children.
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February 12, 2016 7:13pm
blazeoflight

@Jack5

Floating rates aren’t doing the job

So what’s your alternative?

And remember that as our rate comes down, only one sector benefits while the rest of us lose out.
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February 12, 2016 7:23pm
cha

I carefully disengaged the safety strap on my holster with my thumb

Lavoy?.

https://twitter.com/FreeMalheur/status/692914872447819776
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February 12, 2016 7:23pm
RF

cha. 7.23pm. You have the advantage as I don’t do twitter. However my cunning sluth brain deduced that you were referring to the shootout in Oregon. It was a case of him blinking first. Boot Hill welcomes him.
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February 12, 2016 7:38pm
mikenmild

V2
I’m afraid Stephen Franks’s opinion doesn’t really amount to much more than saying “the judge was wrong”, without addressing the substance of the judgement in any way.
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February 12, 2016 7:47pm
cha

It’s an excerpt from the novel he wrote.

http://www.amazon.com/Only-Blood-Suffering-LAVOY-FINICUM/dp/193773594X
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February 12, 2016 7:49pm
Nostradamus

Blazeoflight:

You said this about interest rates:

And remember that as our rate comes down, only one sector benefits while the rest of us lose out.

This statement, at face value, is surprising. Could you elaborate please?
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February 12, 2016 7:59pm
RF

Has anyone seen the Greens boy wonder who has now grown a beard. For some reason he is getting rave comments on the standard concerning gravitas, looks older. Etc.. Some will even vote green now. What a bunch of flakes.

Angry had better hurry up and grow a beard otherwise his party is going green.

The boy gave a so called hard hitting anti JK speech to the house when there was 5 people including the cleaner listening.
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February 12, 2016 8:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@RF

here’s the speech…..
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1602/S00033/gareth-hughes-debate-on-prime-ministers-statement.htm
I can’t locate the gravitas
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February 12, 2016 8:07pm
Nostradamus

RF:

The boy gave a so called hard hitting anti JK speech to the house

People who live in the political beltway get excited when someone gives a passionate speech in Parliament. From what I can see, people who don’t live in the political beltway don’t get excited when someone gives a passionate speech in Parliament, and just get on with their lives. Take, for example, Andrew Little and his so-called State of the Nation speech. Has the world changed since he gave that speech? In my view the world hasn’t changed, and won’t change until Labour get voted back into power, which probably won’t happen until they’ve changed their leader another 5 times.
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February 12, 2016 8:09pm
nasska

He takes hormones, grows a beard & you want gravitas too.

The electorate demands so much of its list MPs. 🙂
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February 12, 2016 8:10pm
Awww C-mon

nasska

“The electorate demands so much of its list MPs.”

Not me Nasska, I would be a happy taxpayer if they would just stay at home making tofu and left the rest of us to get on with things.
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February 12, 2016 8:12pm
Nostradamus

blazeoflight (708 comments) says:
January 2nd, 2016 at 10:06 pm
@Jack5 10.03pm

I’m an economics major.

As Bereal would say… Hic!
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February 12, 2016 8:14pm
nasska

….”I’m an economics major”…

Would you like fries with your order? 🙂
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February 12, 2016 8:17pm
Stars And Stripes

1. A flood of asylum seekers/refugees is exactly what we, as standard bearers for a supposedly civilised world, should be encouraging and enabling.

Well traitor and sell out of the day goes to Blaze who has openly declared his dislike for NZ and everything it stands for and would like to see it taken over by mobs of refugees and asylum seekers.

2.Australia being a country with a record of racism second only, in the Anglo-Saxon world, to the US – a close call, I admit, and one that could go either way.

Yes defending your borders and way of life is racist right Blaze.
What a load of white guilt you carry.
Really should get some treatment for that before it eats you up.
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February 12, 2016 8:18pm
Awww C-mon

Nostra, If you pay attention to Blaze his arguments are all just theories, a true chardonnay socialist who wants someone else to solve the worlds problems…. as he perceives them
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February 12, 2016 8:18pm
Nostradamus

Awww C-mon:

If you pay attention to Blaze

That’s a big call to make!
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February 12, 2016 8:21pm
Awww C-mon

@Nostra

I was bored, slightly drunk and considering self harm… It was a necessary mindset

Oh and mentioning that mind set, I just read the Hughes speech, what a sad fuck
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February 12, 2016 8:29pm
Nostradamus

Lots of emotions about same-sex emojis:

Indonesia has asked all social media and messaging platforms to drop emoticons featuring same-sex couples, a government official says, after popular application Line removed some of its emojis for the local market. Conservative Indonesian users of Line and competitor Whatsapp have complained about the presence of gay-themed emojis on the applications.

One hopes these “conservative Indonesian users” don’t stumble across internet porn – let alone gay porn. Their complaints would be noisy and deafening.

“Line has dropped its LGBT stickers and we have asked other platforms to do the same,” said Information Ministry spokesman Ismail Cawidu on Thursday, using the abbreviation for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender. “Social media must respect the culture of the country where they have large numbers of users,” he said.

Other way round – users must respect the culture of the social media app they choose to use.

He did not say what the government would do if the messaging and social networks refused to comply.

Perhaps Stephieboy could comment on this?
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February 12, 2016 8:36pm
nasska

Not Just Indonesia but Pakistan too Nostra. Same everywhere the religious nuts suppress human instinct.

http://moralcompassblog.com/2013/06/14/super-religious-pakistanis-adore-gay-porn/
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February 12, 2016 8:41pm
RF

nasska. 8.10pm. I presume you are referring to growth hormones. If so he needs to double the dose as he sits on a box. Barber shops have them for kids having their first haircut.
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February 12, 2016 8:52pm
blazeoflight

@Nostradamus

The rate I was referring to was the exchange rate, not the interest rate.

Context is everything, dear boy.
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February 12, 2016 8:53pm
nasska

I was thinking of testosterone supplements RF. Several of the female Green MPs trim their beards more often than the boy wonder. 🙂
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February 12, 2016 8:58pm
Kimbo

@ Awww C-mon

I was bored, slightly drunk and considering self harm… It was a necessary mindset

Oh and mentioning that mind set, I just read the Hughes speech, what a sad fuck

Time for an intervention! Step away from the computer, go to the fridge, grab a beer and sit back and think, “I’ll live to fight another day…especially if I don’t listen to Watermelon politicians!” Life is too short and precious to waste brain cells on that nonsense. 😉
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February 12, 2016 9:02pm
Gabby

Is that a euphemism for some sort of gay sex practice RF?
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February 12, 2016 9:03pm
RF

nasska. 8.58pm. Got yah… There is one scruffy looking soap dodger with hairy face and armpits that I can identify. I have actually had the misfortune of standing next to her and she has a serious odour problem. Even her best friends won’t tell her.
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February 12, 2016 9:05pm
blazeoflight

@Stars and Stripes 8:18pm

1. I do believe nationalism is overrated, but all the same, I value our standing in the world. Kiwiblog posters, in general, make me ashamed of my country. You guys advocate individual responsibility, yet you refuse to acknowledge your collective responsibility in creating this massive humanitarian crisis in the Middle East.

2. Let’s be honest: the Abbott call was not about defending borders (what threat do refugees fleeing from Western-created mayhem pose, exactly? Apart from that composed by fevered imaginations, that is). It was about pandering to base ignorance and prejudice.

As I have patiently explained many times, empirical evidence shows that refugees, especially from the first local-born generation, contribute to the economy much more than us native born locals.

Yes, an economics major does learn this stuff during his/her course, and it’s often very uncomfortable to come to the understanding that fondly held, often inherited, views of how things are, are, in fact, just wrong.
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February 12, 2016 9:08pm
Reid

One of the biggest viral stories on social media last week was a laughably idiotic Finnish “how to” video that ostensibly demonstrates the proper way for women to defend themselves against rapists. The video, produced by state-run broadcaster Yle, reveals the top three police-certified methods that women should use against an attacker: “No,” “Push,” and “Handbag.”

In the video, a young blond woman, trudging her way down a snowy street, is accosted by a white ne’er-do-well (needless to say, the Finnish media would never dare portray the attacker as a nonwhite immigrant or “refugee”). Upon being grabbed by the unwelcome roisto, the young lady turns and forcefully shouts, “Ei!” (“no”). Humiliated and defeated, the Bieberesque thug sheepishly relents and walks away. In scenario No. 2, the pesky grabber returns, this time to be met with a two-handed open-palm push (accompanied, bafflingly, by a Jedi-type repelling force). Again, the attacker yields, unable to pierce the impenetrable defense. Finally, in scenario 3, the woman is forced to bring out the big guns—her handbag, which she swings with grit and determination at her assailant, who cowers and runs in abject terror.

The accompanying article on the Yle website informs readers that the actions depicted in the video represent the limit of what a woman facing a potential rapist is allowed to do; anything more would constitute “excessive force…

…I’m surprised the video didn’t come with an accompanying book of jokes to help break the ice.”

http://takimag.com/article/the_good_humor_rapist_david_cole

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/load-aim-shoot-self-in-left-foot.html

Note that Paul Henry didn’t feature the story on their compelling, important and relevant “Social Media Bunker” segment this week.

Perhaps they thought it would be a bit difficult for the viewers to follow, in between their compelling entertainment.
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February 12, 2016 9:09pm
nasska

They’d probably smell pretty bad RF. I seem to remember David Garrett advising caution when standing downwind of them.

I can’t recall whether it was gargling their own urine or rinsing their hair with it but either way I’d hate to be stuck in a lift with the buggers. 🙂
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February 12, 2016 9:11pm
blazeoflight

Say, I watched the Gareth Hughes speech.

Did anyone spot a factual error?

If so, enlighten me.

I did spot one questionable claim, there may be more hiding there, somewhere, but since y’all here are such bright sparks, perhaps you can save me the bother of playing it again.

You show me yours…?
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February 12, 2016 9:13pm
Captain Mainwaring

“The boy gave a so called hard hitting anti JK speech to the house when there was 5 people including the cleaner listening.”

6. Wikiriwank was also listening.
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February 12, 2016 9:14pm
Awww C-mon

I noticed one glaring mistake Blaze,

He stood up
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February 12, 2016 9:15pm
Nostradamus

Blazeoflight:

The rate I was referring to was the exchange rate, not the interest rate.

Context is everything, dear boy.

Fair enough.

In my defence, though, you misquoted Jack5 when you said “Floating rates aren’t doing the job”. I presume Jack5 edited his comment from that to “Floating exchange rates aren’t doing their part of the work. Prices fall for NZ’s key export – dairy products – but the currency doesn’t fall, because the movement of official interest rates in the United States is what is driving the exchange rates”.

As you say, context is everything, dear boy!
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February 12, 2016 9:15pm
blazeoflight

@Reid

Yeah, Paul Henry viewers are pretty dumb, in general.
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February 12, 2016 9:15pm
Reid

Did anyone spot a factual error?

Gareth was pretending he’s entered puberty by sporting a fake beard.

Yeah, Paul Henry viewers are pretty dumb, in general.

So is Paul Henry Blaze.

I call it the dimbo, bimbo and dumbo show.

I like the sports guy, cos he seems nice.

But I prefer my sports as a 30 sec result set at the end of real news, once a day. Not all the time, every time, in excrutiating and irrelevant minutia.

Summed up really by the fact today bimbo announced 10 million people are facing starvation in Ehtiopia on the headlines, but then we spent around 3 mins analysing the importance of the social media happenings.

Idiots really. Beyond contempt, when you think of the power they have and how they misuse it.
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February 12, 2016 9:16pm
RF

blazeoflight. 9.13. Do you mean the Green Party growing. Bull shit.
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February 12, 2016 9:19pm
Griff

Blaze

To communicate with stars and stripes I would recommend sticking to words or two syllable or less and not introducing any complex ideas to the discussion.
Also mummy says lights out in her basement @ 830 so as not to waste power.
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February 12, 2016 9:22pm
blazeoflight

@Nostradamus

I do figure that grown men and women can go back to the original post, and I was not intending my reply to be any kind of gotcha. The misquote was because it’s actually a bit time consuming to scroll up that far on a iPad.

But his explanation is not quite correct. While the USD value is obviously important, the most influential factor for NZ is our high real interest rates imposed by the RBNZ ostensibly to fight non-existent inflation, or to ensure financial stability when RBNZ’s own stress tests show our local banks are very low on the scale of financial stability risk.

And my point remains unanswered: what is his alternative to a floating exchange rate? I’m genuinely interested in his reply.
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February 12, 2016 9:24pm
Kimbo

@ blazeoflight

As I have patiently explained many times, empirical evidence shows that refugees, especially from the first local-born generation, contribute to the economy much more than us native born locals.

Yep, I’ll buy that. People who are hardy, gutsy, and have sometimes travelled half-way around the world living on their wits and cunning and ingenuity are usually an economic benefit, even when you factor in the “trauma” aspect. But in the case studies/historical examples to which you refer, what is the ratio between refugees to overall population in which they must assimilate?
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February 12, 2016 9:36pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

They’d probably smell pretty bad RF. I seem to remember David Garrett advising caution when standing downwind of them.

David Garrett, on a thread that was ironically entitled “Inappropriate if inaccurate”, said:

David Garrett (9,978 comments) says:
April 22nd, 2015 at 1:17 pm

Jack5: You think that stuff is weird…You should hear Catherine Delahunty singing, and speaking pidgin Maori in the House…but don’t get too close to her…She extolls the virtues of bathing one’s hair in your own urine….and you can tell if you are with her in a lift…

Definitely inappropriate if accurate!
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February 12, 2016 9:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Blazeof light 9:13pm

Did anyone spot a factual error?

If so, enlighten me.

Delighted to….. Still, it is a history lesson…..

Hughes says” From Seddon …. who established Universal suffrage”……

Strictly No…. Seddon opposed universal suffrage, all the way…. but in 1893 two opposition members changed their vote in order to embarrass Seddon… and Women got their vote
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics/womens-suffrage/brief-history
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February 12, 2016 9:39pm
nasska

A rose by any other name Nostra. 🙂
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February 12, 2016 9:40pm
RF

Nostradamus. 9.37pm. That’s the one…… Dalahunty. Body odour would blister paint at 20 feet. She has been told but refuses to do anything about it.
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February 12, 2016 9:46pm
Awww C-mon

It’s rare on NZ tv but Marama Davidson (green) getting asked on 7 days if it hurts that only way she got into parliament was by someone quiting was pretty awesome.
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February 12, 2016 9:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Blazeoflight

Are we still playing spot the mistake????

How about this one?
“On election night 2011 you first thanked your pollster”

Not true… John Key first thanked the President of the Nat Party (Peter Goodfellow)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUvQyuGTCYg

It was 2014 that our host got thanked.
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February 12, 2016 9:51pm
Kimbo

@ blazeoflight

…and I forgot to mention that theyrefugees usually arrive a bit like Cortez’s conquistadors, with little or no local connections or relationships to assist them, with a hostile reception from many, and with no way of retreat so they have no option other than to make their attempt to overcome and settle in a new land successful.
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February 12, 2016 9:51pm
blazeoflight

@Maggy

That last was on my list.

But it’s a short list.

Keep going, please ?
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February 12, 2016 9:59pm
blazeoflight

@Kimbo

I think we have to accept that that particular analysis is dependent on a fraction of population being an influx of refugees.

But for countries like Australia, as I say, it could probably absorb quite happily, say, 10,000 or more per annum and not blink.

As for your last post, well, yes, of course, but it would go even better if they were quickly and enthusiastically welcomed into society just as, for all the demonisation that occurs, they have in the US when they swim the Rio Grande.
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February 12, 2016 10:04pm
Manolo

Secretary Kerry and the Obama administration are the laughing stock of international diplomacy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3443378/John-Kerry-announces-agreement-national-ceasefire-Syria-delivery-humanitarian-aid.html

World powers have announced a ‘ceasefire’ in Syria – but critics quickly dismissed the deal as ‘not worth the paper it’s printed on’.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry last night said a ‘pause’ in hostilities between Syrian forces and Western-backed rebels would begin in a week after a crisis meeting in Munich. But, crucially, neither Bashar Al Assad’s government nor opposition groups have said whether they will obey the truce.

The deal also does not apply to Russian airstrikes which have been supporting advances by Syrian troops.
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February 12, 2016 10:07pm
Jack5

Just caught up with BlazeofBlight’s 9.24 post, which I think refers to me:

… what is his alternative to a floating exchange rate? I’m genuinely interested in his reply.

I like Singapore’s managed float. However, that needs intelligent leaders to run it and a strong economy built by intelligent civil servants. A BA with C’s in economics as his major at one of NZ’s second-tier universities wouldn’t get to the interview stage in Singapore, Blaze.
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February 12, 2016 10:08pm
Awww C-mon

“like Australia, as I say, it could probably absorb quite happily, say, 10,000 or more per annum and not blink”

I would suggest the Aussies might not agree, since it is their country do you think they deserve an opinion?

BTW, how many refugees did you have staying at the beach house in Whangamata with you Blaze??

Yeah thought so…

#Chardonnay
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February 12, 2016 10:09pm
nasska

You know you’re a good mum when you sacrifice your vibrator batteries for your kids’ toys.
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February 12, 2016 10:12pm
Don the Kiwi

Blazeofshite.

Tell us – do you get your pen name from the Blazing Saddles video clip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIP9KXdmO0
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February 12, 2016 10:24pm
blazeoflight

@Jack5

Singapore is an authoritarian city state, in a unique position.

As an small, export-reliant economy, we would invite retaliation from the big boys pretty quickly.

But I agree it is a seductive idea, until Econ 101, anyway.

By the way, I achieve mainly A’s, some B’s, as a part timer, too. But no, I don’t want that job or any job.

I’m settling nicely into semi-retirement as a landlord and property developer, although closing out my degree at a second class Uni is, nevertheless, a high priority. But thanks all the same for mentioning it.

Gotta go. Nasska has given me a good idea ?
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February 12, 2016 10:38pm
blazeoflight

Don

No

Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen.

There’s a blaze of light in every word…
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February 12, 2016 10:40pm
Scott Chris

Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen.

The guy who sang it best and made if famous?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8AWFf7EAc4
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February 12, 2016 10:58pm
Inandout

The kd lang version with Cohen in the audience is the best ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYiMJ2bC65A
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February 12, 2016 11:02pm
rightoverlabour

Talking of Australia, they are as mad as the Poms..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/basketball/76772093/what-a-croc-queensland-police-seize-townsville-crocs-tshirt-launcher

Seriously? Wankers.
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February 12, 2016 11:14pm
Gabby

Paul Henry viewers are pretty rare.
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February 12, 2016 11:53pm
Nostradamus

An interesting exchange:

nasska (15,483 comments) says:
February 12th, 2016 at 10:12 pm

You know you’re a good mum when you sacrifice your vibrator batteries for your kids’ toys.

Hmmm…

blazeoflight (718 comments) says:
February 12th, 2016 at 10:38 pm
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Gotta go. Nasska has given me a good idea ?

Double hmmm…
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