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Penny, your link doesn’t link properly.
Of the Archive, you need to specify which video.
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February 11, 2016 7:44pm
Jack5

Thank you to Maggy Wassilieff (3.58 post) clarifying manuka, tea trees, tea tree oil.

Excellent Maggy, and much appreciated.
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February 11, 2016 7:47pm
cha

What will be their next target?

Children, again.
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Earlier this year, Mr Turyaritunga made allegations to the BBC about child labour taking place on Church-owned land in Kabale.

He alleged that children as young as 10 were working on a tea plantation on the land, and that the Catholic Church was profiting

[…]

Children aged 10 working for a business run by both a church and corporation highlights the complexity of what Pope Francis calls an “authentic plague” on children of the world.

When we tried to contact the Bishop in his diocese, we were told that he was preparing to meet the pope. Calls to his mobile also went unanswered.

Father Lucien, his secretary, denied that child labour was taking place on the tea plantation.

So we called the Vatican instead and put our evidence to the Pope’s spokesman, Federico Lombardi.

“I deny to have responsibility and duty to answer about this – if there is problem for the local church, I am not responsible for that”, he told us.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35220869
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February 11, 2016 7:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

CSIRO Boss has just been forced to apologise for saying that Climate science is like religion
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-11/csiro-boss-apologises-for-climate-religion-comments/7160288
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February 11, 2016 7:49pm
nasska

There’s quite a lot said about sheep in the Good Book Mike. I might have to get Shawn to do a bit of study & see if he can evaluate the risks.

In the meantime the paddock gates stay locked! 🙂
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February 11, 2016 7:49pm
Nostradamus

Minus:

Penny, your link doesn’t link properly.
Of the Archive, you need to specify which video.

Do you really want to watch Penny’s presentation to the Auckland Council Development Committee? You might get more satisfaction out of watching a Peppa Pig episode!
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February 11, 2016 7:50pm
mikenmild

Ever since Jesus lay in a manger his followers have been wanting to get close to farm animals, nasska.
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February 11, 2016 7:51pm
Kea

Lucia Maria (3,769 comments) says:
February 11th, 2016 at 7:26 pm
Yes, Kea. Men rape women.

Not so much in the Catholic Church Lucy
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February 11, 2016 7:56pm
holysheet

Nosty, someone has to take one for the team, might as well be minus.
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February 11, 2016 7:59pm
Kea

Lucia Maria (3,769 comments) says:
February 11th, 2016 at 7:32 pm
Nasska,

I don’t think you need to worry about the sheep, for Kea missed out the fact that this rape of nuns by priests is mostly happening in Africa, in countries where women are culturally subservient to men.

GOTCHA ❗

You took the bait and responded as I expected. You are of course correct, it is the culture, not the religion. However my wee bigoted god addled friend, that is exactly the reason so many Muslim countries treat women so badly. It is cultural and often the women were better off under Muslim rule, incredible as that may sound.

As a test of your credibility and sincerity I expect you to be pointing that out to Shawn and Manolo from now on.
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February 11, 2016 8:01pm
nasska

….”his followers have been wanting to get close to farm animals”….

For some the sweet smell of new mown hay laced with sheep shit is a heady brew Mike. 🙂
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February 11, 2016 8:01pm
notrotsky

@ Penny Dim – you are fucking bonkers !

…and the councillors are a pack of troughing gits.
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February 11, 2016 8:05pm
Stars And Stripes

MM – “Besides, every intelligent and educated person already knows the dangers of climate change”
When you say educated I gather you are talking about the people who did their NCEA major in Tutu weaving correct?.
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February 11, 2016 8:07pm
Kea

nasska, the bible is full of stories about religious folk “sacrificing” lambs. There is debate on wether this involved actual or symbolic penetration. It remains silent on the matter of autoerotic asphyxiation during the ceremony. 🙂
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February 11, 2016 8:07pm
publicwatchdog

This is a BIG Auckland issue.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11588060

Auckland housing rezone loses support

Thursday, 11 February 2016
The New Zealand Herald

A man takes pictures of planned zoning changes at a public meeting in Kohimarama earlier this week. Photo / NZ Herald
By Bernard Orsman

Auckland Council’s proposal to rezone thousands of homes for more intensive housing and apartments has lost the support of a majority of councillors, with councillor Sir John Walker today speaking out against the changes.

“If the mayor wants my vote we are going to have to come to a compromise,” said Sir John, who did not spell out what that solution would be.

“I’m on the residents’ side. I don’t want to see high rise buildings towering over Auckland.

“I don’t trust the town planners. They present one thing and change their mind and do another,” said the Olympic gold medallist.

Sir John said he supported calls to withdraw the changes, which see large swathes of suburban Auckland rezoned for multi-storey buildings, terraced housing and apartments in the council’s latest submission to the Unitary Plan.

Under the “out of scope” changes to zoning, meaning no residents asked for them in the proposed Unitary Plan, there is no formal right of reply for affected property owners.

Sir John’s position means 11 of the 21 councillors want the council to withdraw the out of scope changes from the Unitary Plan process.

The other 10 are Cameron Brewer, Cathy Casey, Chris Fletcher, Denise Krum, Mike Lee, Dick Quax, Sharon Stewart, Wayne Walker, John Watson and George Wood.

Mayor Len Brown, deputy mayor Penny Hulse, Arthur Anae, Bill Cashmore, Ross Clow, Linda Cooper, Chris Darby, Alf Filipaina and Calum Penrose told the Herald they support the changes proceeding through the Unitary Plan process.

Councillor Penny Webster has not responded, but is believed to be in Brown’s camp.

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_______________________

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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February 11, 2016 8:11pm
Reid

nasska, the bible is full of stories about religious folk “sacrificing” lambs. There is debate on wether this involved actual or symbolic penetration.

Kea you’re sounding almost as deluded as Captain Bananas does when he defends the latest murderous rampage from his beloved neocons.

I suggest you educate yourself.

It may or may not make any difference, but at least with you, I know you’ll read the words I just wrote without everything clouding over in a red-shaded seething rage.
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February 11, 2016 8:11pm
mikenmild

S&S
No, but please feel free to include yourself in the category of unintelligent or uneducated, or both.
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February 11, 2016 8:13pm
nasska

….”It remains silent on the matter of autoerotic asphyxiation during the ceremony”….

That’s strange. You would have thought that for a bloodthirsty pack of savages they would have included a full chapter on the process. Something on the lines of “first enter your sheep, take knife and……..”
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February 11, 2016 8:14pm
Reid

This is a BIG Auckland issue.

You bet Penny.

What NZ’er wants Auckland to become like Sydney and sacrifice their heritage?
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February 11, 2016 8:16pm
Captain Mainwaring

“FYI Kiwibloggers – Auckland Council’s ‘out of scope’ amendments to the Unitary Plan are causing a LOT of concern to a significant number of citizens and ratepayers.”

So Ms. Blight, as a non-ratepayer this obviously won’t be concerning you.
As to the citizens, more than likely they are nimbys, so as a Marxist you won’t be worried about them either.
So what’s your point?

Caprain Mainwaring
Not 2016 Mayoral candidate for anywhere
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February 11, 2016 8:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Sometimes a headline just makes you smile

http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=86243

(Maggy W…. Ex W(h)angas)
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February 11, 2016 8:20pm
Stars And Stripes

MM- going down Griff’s track with wild accusations also.
He didn’t score any hits and does not seem you are any better.
Stick to tarot cards I think.
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February 11, 2016 8:25pm
Kea

“I’m on the residents’ side. I don’t want to see high rise buildings towering over Auckland.

I’m with Penny. Lets make sure no high rise buildings are ever towering over Auckland. Oh fuck wait…. 🙂
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February 11, 2016 8:31pm
Jack5

From Kea’s 8.07 post:

… It remains silent on the matter of autoerotic asphyxiation …

Kea, you are spending way too much time in the mountains. High altitudes, oxygen deficiency etc … don’t tell us that’s erotic, too. 😉
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February 11, 2016 8:32pm
Reid

Kea as you know it’s about having every second building in the burbs being a block of flats.

That’s fucked.

Period.

Seriously fucked.

Seriously seriously seriously fucking fuckity fucked.
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February 11, 2016 8:36pm
Don the Kiwi

(Maggy W…. Ex W(h)angas)

Maggy. Is that the reason for its lift in the ratings? 😉
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February 11, 2016 8:38pm
publicwatchdog

So Captain Mainwaring – you’re not an Auckland citizen and/or ratepayer?

You think it’s ok for Auckland Council to effectively force ‘out of scope’ amendments to the Unitary Plan, without the involvement or consent of the communities of Auckland?

Seriously?

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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February 11, 2016 8:38pm
Captain Mainwaring

Penny, and I’m serious here, how would YOU, as MAYOR deal with the problem that Auckland faces?
The place cannot just keep spreading out and become a gigantic version of Morrinsville, extending from Wellsford to Huntly, and from Waiuku to Kawakawa Bay.
It has to go UP, and that means hi-rise dwellings in suburbs that haven’t seen them before.
And that means eliminating the right of appeal from every nimby who doesn’t want a hi-rise next door or obstructing his/her view of Rangitoto Island.
Sorry, but that’s the way its is and Auckland just has to deal with it.
Glad I’m out of the fucking place.

Captain Mainwaring
Not 2016 Mayoral candidate for anywhere
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February 11, 2016 8:39pm
Jack5

If you were in international re-insurance, how would you rate NZ? On the edge of a tectonic plate, earthquakes up and down the islands, biggest city build on a ring of not-long-inactive volcanoes, possibility of tsunami if there’s a big wall slide in a nearby deep ocean trench.

Gotta pop the Auckland bubble somehow…
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February 11, 2016 8:44pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

Do you remember those six questions that you’ve refused to answer since 10 August 2015? That’s 186 days ago – and counting.

Here’s question 2:

What one thing would you do to help solve the housing shortage?

The floor is yours…
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February 11, 2016 8:45pm
Reid

You think it’s ok for Auckland Council to effectively force ‘out of scope’ amendments to the Unitary Plan, without the involvement or consent of the communities of Auckland?

I think it’s a question of who owns NZ?

Us?

Or politicans who have a shelf-life and are susceptible to donations/bribes plus the collective buying power of brand-new immigrants?

Which group has the say?

That’s the question.

And no-one apparently in this wishy-washy politically-correct bribe-awash milieu evidently, has the guts even to pose the question, let alone attempt an answer.

This is one reason why I constantly suggest:

aren’t sheeple stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid.

Because letting shit like this happen in front of your very eyes really does indeed suggest,

you actually in fact really truly are, sheeple.

And your children won’t thank you.

And you have a forum, right here, to use.

And you don’t.

How incredibly foolish you are.
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February 11, 2016 8:48pm
RalphT

Nostradamus at 8.45:

Here’s question 2:

What one thing would you do to help solve the housing shortage?

Easy, give her house to the Council via an enforced sale. After knocking the place down there should be room for a small apartment block.
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February 11, 2016 9:00pm
Kea

Kea you’re sounding almost as deluded as Captain Bananas does when he defends the latest murderous rampage from his beloved neocons.

Kea as you know it’s about having every second building in the burbs being a block of flats.

That’s fucked.

That was actual trolling Reid. Unusual for a bible scholar to be such a literalist 🙂

As for high rises. Tough. You don’t like it then move to the mainland. The alternatives are all worse. Of course you could join Penny in her crusade. She clearly needs some male company in my view.
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February 11, 2016 9:04pm
Reid

Ralph, apply that process to all the people with massive mortgages in Auckland who are about to lose both incomes in the next ten years and you get the look of the new city in 2025.

See the evil?

No?

Of course not.

Aren’t sheeple stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid.
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February 11, 2016 9:07pm
Kea

After knocking the place down there should be room for a small apartment block.

RalphT, why small you progress hating commie ?

Build the thing up. Something that looks down on the Sky Tower is what I have in mind. We can call it the: TPPA Tower, and have a statue of John Key in the Lobby 🙂
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February 11, 2016 9:09pm
Shawn Herles

“If you have evidence for your absurd beliefs, then simply provide it ?”

LMAO!!!

Says the idiot who claimed ISIS had not attacked Israel. 🙂
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February 11, 2016 9:11pm
Kea

“See the evil?”

Yep. Good point. Maybe they will disperse away from Auckland though ?
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February 11, 2016 9:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Don the Kiwi

Is that the reason for its lift in the ratings?

Probably…. It’s taken Whanganui 45 years to recover from my leave-taking.
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February 11, 2016 9:13pm
EAD

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://smoloko.com/wp-content/uploads/FranceIsraelISISparisMeme.jpg&imgrefurl=http://smoloko.com/?p%3D8564&h=559&w=745&tbnid=XgBuxCsx6ezzGM:&docid=K8FxtVF9wG_KZM&ei=CEO8VvjKDMSkUYbTnbgD&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwj47s-uou_KAhVEUhQKHYZpBzcQMwgrKBAwEA
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February 11, 2016 9:17pm
cha

Says the idiot who claimed ISIS had not attacked Israel.

Any reports of an ISIS attack on Israel?.
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February 11, 2016 9:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Jack5 8:32

don’t tell us that’s erotic, too. ?

For your eyes only…….
Restricted material…..
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/video/14319/kea-mating
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February 11, 2016 9:24pm
EAD

With regards to Auckland high rises – it’s a classic Hegallian Dialectic.

The State creates the Problem – massive pressure on housing
The State causes a Reaction – it’s too cramped, “build up” cry the pens.
The State then offers its Solution – high rise, cramped living and the destruction of the remnants of old New Zealand

Welcome to Agenda 21 – a country fit for rootless consumer serfs. Public Watchdog is actually on your side on this one but you’re to blind by your prejudices.
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February 11, 2016 9:28pm
nasska

I followed your link Maggy. The dirty little bugger only lasted 52 seconds & the foreplay was crap.

Kea….your first porno bombed! 🙂
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February 11, 2016 9:35pm
Jack5

Atop Kea’s TPPA Tower (9.09):

And atop the tower, trees and tussocks for kea nests. When the they tire of pinching chopsticks from central Auckland’s apartment towers, they can romp in orgies heightened by altitude asphyxiophilia (if height makes that possible).

When they’ve worked off their energy, the keas will play 3D chess and work on the Riemann hypothesis. 😎

Autoerotic asphyxiation looks to be highly dangerous and dodgy – even for keas. I didn’t realise that Grass Hopper killed himself doing this (link below).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/05/carradine-had-rope-around_n_211689.html

Good video of the Kea mating, Maggy !
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February 11, 2016 9:38pm
RalphT

If people with large mortgages suffer the misfortune of losing two incomes we might be doing them a favour by knocking down old stock and putting up four to six storey buildings (as on the Grey Lynn ridge of Great North Road). That gives them the choice of perhaps being able to stay in the inner city, moving further out or out of the city altogether.
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February 11, 2016 9:39pm
Awww C-mon

Penny,

If it involved Auckland and those that live there, post on an Auckland based blog, and leave the majority of NZ alone.

Oh and stop the slander, lies and mis truth. Apologise to KS then Fuck Off!
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February 11, 2016 9:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nasska 9:35

Didn’t the caption melt your icy heart?

They mate in the winter snow after a long and gentle courtship.
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February 11, 2016 9:46pm
stephieboy

EAD, oh dear a conspiracy to destroy the 1950s quarter acre dream ? . The facts are many people these days prefer apartment style living without the maintenance and rates burden and other costs !

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516BTO%2BXO6L._SL500_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-big,TopRight,35,-73_OU02_SX342_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
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February 11, 2016 9:47pm
Keeping Stock

@ Nostradamus – apologies for the confusion. I was, of course, referring to the wonderful facility called Hagley Oval; a splendid cricket ground, and a far cry from other nocturnal activities in Hagley Park 😀
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February 11, 2016 9:53pm
Keeping Stock

@ Awww C-mon – thanks for your support, but I have moved on. I shall wear the failure by Ms Bright to retract, apologise or even acknowledge my existence as a badge of honour; rather like being banned by Clare Curran at the moribund Red Alert blog, for daring to tell the truth about Phil Goff and asset sales.
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February 11, 2016 9:55pm
Jack5

One of the Stephieboys posted at 9.47:

…many people these days prefer apartment style living ..

And some like it because it reminds them of their mum and dad’s tent.
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February 11, 2016 9:57pm
Jack5

Further on Carradine (my 9.38 post).

How bizarre is this when he is found dead with a rope around his neck?

…Carradine had flown to Thailand last week and began work on a film titled “Stretch” two days before his death..
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February 11, 2016 10:01pm
Manolo

The spineless Kerry had thanked Iran’s mullahs, who in turn humiliate the US:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/02/11/us-navy-rips-iran-after-new-footage-shows-captured-sailor-crying.html?intcmp=hpbt2

Iranian state TV showed video Wednesday of one of ten captured U.S. Navy sailors in tears while the group was being held by the country’s Revolutionary Guard last month.
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February 11, 2016 10:07pm
Manolo

Putin is whipping the feeble Obama and winning easily: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35539897
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February 11, 2016 10:11pm
stephieboy

Jack 5, the facts are apartment styled living is a reality that many Aucklanders are having it face over the enormous maintenance and other costs associated with the old quarter acre section .

Manolo, well at least you have the opportunity of looking forward to either Cruz or Trump making Middle Eastern sand glow as they get their beady eyes and fingers on the Nuclear codes .

Also doing likewise in the Ukraine and Crimea etc !
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February 11, 2016 10:19pm
Jack5

Re Stephieboy at 10.19 …

Bring in another 250,000 Third Worlders and Aucklanders will feel lucky if they’ve got a harbour sampan to live on.
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February 11, 2016 10:29pm
blazeoflight

By the way

My 6.07pm post was not a joke.

It actually happened, in my town, in my church.
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February 12, 2016 1:26am
blazeoflight

@Jack5 10:29pm

I didn’t realise third world (these days, old fella, we call them emerging nations, but never mind) immigrants were so fucking rich as to force us into poverty!
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February 12, 2016 1:30am
Left Right and Centre

The best bleeding heart non-story you’ll see today . . .

TV3 Story – Brenda Warren. She’s a brownie. She’s a ‘weight loss warrior’. She’s a what now ? She weighs 208kg. Aha. She’s got a nutritionist and a councelor. She wants a gastric band. They have to show you a shot of this obese muppet doing some trendy gymwork. That’s doing nothing mate – it’s the endless shit going in the kisser – 99%. Any change of diet would create way way more weight loss in her case than endless hours of physical activity. Doesn’t make good TV, does it – just showing someone *not eating*. We caught up with Brenda at home *not eating* everything in the house. Healthy food ? Yeah – it’s all healthy until you start eating bucketloads of it. Dear oh dear.

She completed the City To Surf in Chch – last – so now we’re congratulating someone with self-inflicted weight disability for slowly walking 14 kms ? It’s still just walking – we’re mammals on two legs – it’s sort of what we do to get around. Or waddling for her I suppose.

Do you know who I feel sorry for ? People with involuntary terminal illness. Not some fat fuck slow-talking thick as pigshit munter with an overeating mental problem – I mean – what does her weekly food and drink intake look like ? How much does she eat to stay at 208kg ? She lost 30kg and put it back on. Chump change at that weight range. She would break my scales – seriously. I think they’re rated to about 180kg or something. It must’ve been really tough eating just three days food in a day instead of six while she lost 30kg.

What’s the nutritionist going to do ? Wire her jaw shut ? 208kg – twice my heaviest ever weight – fuckin twice !!
It’s just the stupidity of it – it’s always the same every time – here they are in the gym, because that’s how you solve everything. It’s the FOOD !! She could sit on her arse – do nothing ever – low kilojoule diet – she’d shrink like anything. Without moving a muscle. As it stands – beyond help.

Food habits at that weight must surely be piggy and disgusting. They weren’t too fussed about any of that. What’s it like when they’re on the pot ? Most and more of her would hang off the front and sides – there’s an image for ya – hahahaha.

What they should do is set up her house like Big Brother – you’d see the sickening daily eating contest worth of crap she somehow puts away . . .still got the warm fuzzies after that ?

Tomorrow – maybe there will be boy racers seeking help trying to keep within 30kms of the posted limit ?
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February 12, 2016 7:26am
Jack5

Re Blazeofblight at 1.30…

Not so much force us into poverty as swamp us into poverty.
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