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duggledog

I noticed last night that TV1 is running an in house promo (a lot) where an actor playing a Real Joker is asking the viewer –

‘Tell us what YOU want to see on TV!’ It’s called the Green Room or something.

Why they are doing this?

I suspect it’s because THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT THEIR VIEWERS WANT. They must focus group and canvass opinion to hell and back.

So why would they ask? We’re only going to say more documentaries and quality shows that they can’t afford anyway.

Apparently they have a raft of six figure salaried programmers and commissioners and god knows what else in there.
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January 31, 2016 8:04am
Pete George

Matt McCarten genius or Labour foolishness? Either way, embracing the Kelsey Club is a huge risk for Andrew Little, and Labour MPs are looking uncomfortable hopping on board the ride towards revolution.

Why was David Clark appointed to be spokes person for Trade when that role is now central to an issue that could make or break Labour’s chances at next year’s election? (“…the Trans-Pacific Partnership is far too major an issue at present to be handled by Clark”).

Why was Shearer assigned to Foreign Affairs? He along with Phil Goff are Labour’s most internationally experienced MPs. Both of whom support the TPPA, contrary to new Labour policy.

What experience do Little, Robertson and Clark have in international trade and foreign relations?

Why were unions and the Council of Trade Unions sponsoring Kelsey’s strident anti-TPPA speaking tour?

Has Little been sucked into a McCarten/Auckland left/Kelsey engineered isolationist attempt at revolution?

Labour’s Mad McCarten Moment?
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January 31, 2016 8:06am
Paulus

I see that the dreadful Herald is saying that the Green Taliban are repositioning themselves to the middle of the political spectrum.
Yea, like flying Pigs.
There must be a Tui advert there somewhere.
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January 31, 2016 8:06am
Captain Mainwaring

“Captain Mainwaring (763 comments) says:
January 30th, 2016 at 8:13 pm
So Penny, given your opposition to ‘Supercities’, what is your ideal local body structure? Is it what Auckland was before the supercity, or would you go back to the days when there were boroughs like Mt. Roskill, Onehunga, Howick etc.?
Please provide an answer instead of retreating into your bunker.

Vote: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1”

Still waiting for an answer Penny. The voters of Auckland would love to know.
C’mon, you can do it…….
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January 31, 2016 8:07am
billmurray

Want to hear a whole pile of crap and bull-shite, Albert park 2pm Auckland, Angry Andys state of the Nation, bring your own sick bags.
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January 31, 2016 8:09am
Keeping Stock

Good moaning Ms Bright. I’ve been off the air for a couple of days, so was just wondering how the retraction and apology is coming along. I am of course referring to your FACTUALLY INACCURATE claim that my bosses pay me for ‘having a go’ at you which is not the case at all. I do it of my own free will, and for free ?

Have a nice day.
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January 31, 2016 8:13am
Hajji

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Asalaam Aliekum Kiwibloggers

There is no god but GOD and Muhammad is the messenger of GOD.
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January 31, 2016 8:15am
duggledog

Paulus –

‘The Green Taliban are repositioning themselves to the middle of the political spectrum.”

Means the clever mouth Metiria Turei will have to go then. She can’t carry the moderate line because of her previous.

Here’s just one example.

Before the last election she was asked point blank whether the Greens’ policies would ruin an entire swathe of middle class Auckland home owners – not to mention many more across the country.

Blithely she replied that if that was the result of more fairness and equality in society then so be it.

So she is on the record as being a revolutionary who cares not one jot for the middle class of New Zealand.

Genter will have to go as well.
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January 31, 2016 8:17am
EAD

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violentrevolution inevitable.” – John F Kennedy

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-30/200-swedes-storm-occupied-stockholm-train-station-beat-migrant-children

PS: If you’ve been following events in Sweden closely (unless its via the Swedish MSM which is controlled by the Bonnier family: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnier_family ) you will realise that these people aren’t “children” – tens of thousands of ~~invaders~~ refugees, some up to the age of 40 have called themselves “children” in order to get access to the Swedish welfare system in the past few months.

All over the country, reports are pouring in that the police can no longer cope with preventing and investigating the crimes which strike the Swedish people.’

‘In some cases, for example, in the latest murder of a woman employed at a home for so called ‘unaccompanied minor refugees’ in Molndal, it goes as far as the National Police Commissioner choosing to show more sympathy for the perpetrator than the victim,’ it continues.

‘But we refuse to accept the repeated assaults and harrassment against Swedish women.’

‘We refuse to accept the destruction of our once to safe society. When our political leadership and police show more sympathy for murderers than for their victims, there are no longer any excuses to let it happen without protest.’

‘When Swedish streets are no longer safe to walk on for normal Swedes, it is our DUTY to fix the problem,’ the leaflet reads.

‘This is why, today, 200 Swedish men gathered to take a stand against the north African ‘street children’ who are running rampage in and around the capital’s central station.’

‘Police have clearly showed that they lack the means to stop their progress and we se no other way than to hand down the punishment they deserve ourselves.’

‘The justice system has walked out and the contract of society is therefore broken – it is now every Swedish man’s duty to defend out public spaced against the deliberately imported criminality.’

‘Those who gathered today are neither your politician, your journalist or your policeman. We are your father, your brother, your husband, your colleague, your friend and your neighbour.
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January 31, 2016 8:20am
Hajji

@ Peter George

‘Why were unions and the Council of Trade Unions sponsoring Kelsey’s strident anti-TPPA speaking tour?’

Because they want to enslave the population along the models of Stalin, Mao, Castro, Ceausescu, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Ho Chi Min, and Honecker.
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January 31, 2016 8:20am
Kea

For one thing, before the last election she was asked point blank whether the Greens’ policies would ruin an entire swathe of middle class Auckland home owners – not to mention many more across the country.

Blithely she replies that if that was the result of more fairness and equality in society then so be it.

Yep. They want to bring the top down to the bottom. They do not want the poor richer, just so long as the rich are poorer. This is the single biggest problem with the left; putting ideology ahead of outcomes for people.

I would like to see Key gone, but in an election tomorrow, I would have to vote for him again. We have no viable opposition.
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January 31, 2016 8:22am
Manolo

Final hours before voting starts: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/iowa-caucuses-2016-homestretch-218427
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January 31, 2016 8:27am
Shawn Herles

Girl Who Defended Against Attack In Migrant Assault Town FINED For Using Pepper Spray

“A 17-year-old girl in Denmark is facing police charges and a substantial fine after fending off a sex attacker — who did not speak the Danish language — with pepper spray.

The man is alleged to have attacked the girl at 10pm on a Wednesday evening, unbuttoning her trousers and attempting to pull them down.

She was out for the evening in the town of Sønderborg, Southern Denmark, which has been in the headlines recently after multiple reports surfaced of migrants from a nearby refugee centre harassing women. One local nightclub even banned men who did not speak Danish because the problem had become so bad.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/27/girl-in-migrant-sex-attack-town-fined-for-defending-herself-with-pepper-spray/
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January 31, 2016 8:28am
Kea

EAD, forget about Sweden. The Swedes already have. Same deal in other Northern European countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw
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January 31, 2016 8:29am
Shawn Herles

Pro-Migrant Downing Street Protest Fails To Attract More Than 25 People

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/28/in-pictures-pro-migrant-downing-street-protest-fails-to-attract-more-than-25-people/
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January 31, 2016 8:30am
duggledog

That’s right Kea hence my analogy of National being like a taranaki gate, keeps the stock in but we need a steel one.

Key had all the excuses in the world to make the reforms necessary in NZ after the quake and the GFC but did not.

We continue to carry the same weight of non-contributors, plus a whole swag of people who don’t make a net contribution. I mean why do we need 10,000 people in the MSD? Why does National Radio need 270 staff?

And we continue to over tax and over spend, a lot in all the wrong areas.
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January 31, 2016 8:31am
Manolo

P.G. poses some interesting questions for which there is no logical answer, only a conclusion: the Labour Party has made a terrible mistake, has blundered badly and should pay a high political price for it.
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January 31, 2016 8:32am
Manolo

Coming home (finally) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/30/obama-to-make-first-visit-of-his-presidency-to-a-u-s-mosque-next-week/
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January 31, 2016 8:33am
Pongo

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/canterbury-car-enthusiasts-want-the-brakes-put-on-tppa.html

The genius in the Gib cap is the vote Little is going after. The journo,s have given Little glowing coverage for the last 12 months and I hope this lasts for another 12 months but I fear his stance on the TPPA and the shocking treatment of Shearer may push Labour below 25% and Little,s ratings plummet and he will be tossed out.
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January 31, 2016 8:33am
Shawn Herles

Maher: The More You Know About Islam, The More Afraid Of It You Are, Intolerant Christians ‘Really Aren’t a Problem’

“Maher added, “I think liberals have to stop insisting that the world is the way they want to it be instead of the way it is.” He then pointed to folk singer James Twyman’s efforts to do a concert in ISIS-controlled territory to hopefully stop ISIS’ violence. Maher then argued, “[Y]ou cannot just insist that the reality that you think about in your head is the reality that exists in the world. After the San Bernardino attacks, we were off the next week, but I heard all over TV, this — everybody was saying, ‘If only Americans knew more about Islam, they wouldn’t be so afraid.’ Actually, it’s the reverse.””

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/01/29/maher-the-more-you-know-about-islam-the-more-afraid-of-it-you-are-intolerant-christians-really-arent-a-problem/
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January 31, 2016 8:34am
stephieboy

EAD,

From Zero Hedge we get this claim from the leaflet among many others,

‘But we refuse to accept the repeated assaults and harassment against Swedish women.’

“When Swedish streets are no longer safe to walk on for normal Swedes, it is our DUTY to fix the problem,’ the leaflet reads.

The actual evidence that this is actually happening or is it based on Breitbart , Stormfront or Jihad Watch etc inflammatory hate rhetoric

BTW the majority of Swedish media is controlled by Schibsted Media Group which is Norwegian , but that wont stop you from using Bonnier as an example of sinister Jewish connivance and complicity in white genocide.etc And ignoring of course the proliferation of independent operators in blogosphere and cyber space etc.,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schibsted
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January 31, 2016 8:38am
Manolo

The NYT endorses Clinton and Kasich: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/nyt-endorses-clinton-kasich-218444

The New York Times on Saturday endorsed former secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the 2016 Democratic nomination and Ohio Gov. John Kasich for the Republican nomination.

The editorial board’s endorsements, published online and to run in Sunday’s print edition, come two days before the Iowa caucuses on Monday.
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January 31, 2016 8:38am
Shawn Herles

I would have thought that after the fiasco of Labour’s last defeat they would have given McCarten the boot, but one thing you can rely on Labour for is to not learn the lessons of repeated defeats.
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January 31, 2016 8:39am
Kea

duggledog , The Nat’s are up to no good in the background, slashing essential public services across the board. I am all for the responsible use of public money, but they are removing front lines services in essential areas such as justice and health. They are also manipulating figures to hide the reality.

This might make the books look better in the next election, but will be expensive mistakes in the longer term, not to mention the very real cost to peoples lives.

It ain’t flash and I am surprised the media, and the Key hating halfwits in Labour, have not made more of this.
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January 31, 2016 8:39am
Pete George

That’s my conclusion Manolo (at 8:32) . Which is not good, an even more munted opposition is bad for democracy in New Zealand
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January 31, 2016 8:40am
Shawn Herles

The Gregory Alan Elliott Verdict Is the Stalingrad of Free Speech

“On the January 22, the era of social justice ascendancy on the web came to a battered, exhausted halt. Gregory Alan Elliott, a Toronto artist who was dragged through the Canadian criminal justice system for the “crime” of disagreeing with feminists on Twitter, was declared innocent.

His acquittal marked the climax of nearly two years of setbacks for social justice warriors on the web, whose ability to quash dissent and ruin their opponents once seemed unchallengeable. Twitter, once dominated by the activists of the regressive left, rang out in celebration at the victory for free speech.

Elliott’s trial stretched from the darkest days of SJW ascendancy on social media to the rise of the cultural libertarians. For feminists and the regressive left, it represented a major goal, which has for the moment been placed beyond their reach: the goal of redefining political disagreement as criminal harassment.”

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/01/29/gregory-alan-elliott-stalingrad-free-speech/
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January 31, 2016 8:41am
Kea

The actual evidence that this is actually happening or is it based on Breitbart , Stormfront or Jihad Watch etc inflammatory hate rhetoric

stupidboy, you lose all credibility when you say things like that. There is a major problem with immigrants to Europe.

We need to openly discuss the way to fix that problem and the first step is stopping the PC bullshit and lies.
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January 31, 2016 8:44am
Manolo

Clinton is in hot water despite all her profuse denials:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/22-hillary-clinton-emails-declared-top-secret-218420

The furor over Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email account grew more serious for the Democratic presidential front-runner Friday as the State Department designated 22 of the messages from her account “top secret.”
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January 31, 2016 8:44am
Shawn Herles

UK: Three Muslims gang-raped non-Muslim teen girl in bathroom of hotel where they were celebrating Eid

“Welcome to the New Britain, and the New Europe. Soon stories like this one will be in every day’s news.

Three Somali men who gang-raped a white 16-year-old girl in the bathroom of a hotel where they went to celebrate Eid have been jailed for 30 years.

Muhyadeen Osman, Bilal Ahmed and Mowled Yussuf, all now 20, were just teenagers when they attacked the girl at the Victoria Park Hotel in Manchester, regarding her as ‘easy prey’, the court heard.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/uk-three-muslims-gang-raped-non-muslim-teen-girl-in-bathroom-of-hotel-where-they-were-celebrating-eid

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423246/Three-Somali-men-gang-raped-white-16-year-old-girl-bathroom-hotel-stayed-celebrate-Eid-jailed-30-years.html
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January 31, 2016 8:45am
Nookin

Kea, I imagine that Key would wring the changes in an instant if he had just one further resource– a clearand manageable majority. So long as we have three-year terms and cobbled together governments any government will be monumentally stuffed. The RMA amendment is a classic example.
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January 31, 2016 8:46am
stephieboy

The dream of US Evangelical and Conservative Christians begins to fade ,

Trump divides God’s voters,

“Nearly four decades after his father founded the Moral Majority, Jerry Falwell Jr. is presiding over the biggest crisis the modern evangelical coalition has ever had to face.
With his endorsement of Donald J. Trump for president on Tuesday, the younger Mr. Falwell has dismayed his fellow conservative evangelicals and baffled many others, who think it’s counterintuitive that Mr. Falwell would endorse this thrice-married reality television star…..

…..Over the decades since the elder Falwell helped start the modern religious right, politicized evangelicalism has expanded beyond a handful of organizations, producing a multitude of spokesmen, among them pastors, activists, televangelists, authors and opportunists. It’s now almost impossible to be the singular face of 21st-century evangelicalism. The movement still wields significant power, particularly in Republican politics, but the dalliance with Mr. Trump threatens to undermine its unity.

Evangelical leaders have spent decades demanding that presidential candidates pledge to govern a “Christian nation” by fusing conservative Christianity and government, producing obedient foot soldiers like Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann, none of whom managed to emerge as a real presidential contender…”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/opinion/campaign-stops/donald-trump-divides-gods-voters.html?_r=0
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January 31, 2016 8:47am
Shawn Herles

Muslim migrant: “German girls are just there for sex”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/muslim-migrant-german-girls-are-just-there-for-sex
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January 31, 2016 8:48am
Manolo

Long live multiculturalism. Thanks to the illegal Muslim immigrants, peace has descended on Sweden:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html

A mob of black-clad masked men went on a rampage in and around Stockholm’s main train station last night beating up refugees and anyone who did not look like they were ethnically Swedish.

Before the attack, the group of 200 people handed out xenophobic leaflets with the message ‘Enough now’.
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January 31, 2016 8:51am
Kea

Nookin, But Key has the support of the NZ public. His popularity has even gone up the longer he stays in office. This is unheard of in NZ politics. The thing that makes him so popular and appealing is Labour, his biggest asset.
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January 31, 2016 8:51am
stephieboy

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kea sqawk, swawk, immigrant problem ? Jihadwatch ‘s Robert Spencer and his mad sidekick Pamela Geller would strongly disagree . It is a Muslim problem first. Immigration problem second ?

Takeaway” the religion of peace ” all fixed !
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January 31, 2016 8:54am
Shawn Herles

Hillary Clinton’s worst nightmare: Hint — it’s not Bernie Sanders

“Hillary Clinton’s nightmare is not the sudden resurgence of Bernie Sanders. It is the fidelity to the rule of law of the FBI.

The recent revelations of the receipt by Clinton of a Special Access Program email, as well as cut and pasted summaries of state secrets on her server and on her BlackBerry nearly guarantee that the FBI will recommend that the Department of Justice convene a grand jury and seek her indictment for espionage. Here is the backstory.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/01/28/hillary-clintons-worst-nightmare-hint-its-not-bernie-sanders.html?intcmp=hphz03
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January 31, 2016 8:55am
alex Masterley

I see Andrew Little is giving a speech in albert park at 2pm.
I can just imagine the hoardes going to the sea food festival and the cricket going “gosh I must go and listen to that nice Mr Little rather than the [insert activity here].”
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January 31, 2016 9:02am
Kea

stupidboy, stop beating your chest and jumping on your soapbox and note the common ground.

Now this is probably way beyond your comprehension levels but I will try and explain…. The problem is primarily with MUSLIM immigrants. However, the core reason is not their religion, but the culture they are coming from.

If you go back in history you will see these places treated women even worse before becoming Muslim. Hard to believe, but true.

Only bigoted intellectual cripples claim it is because of the Koran. The Bible and Torah are equally vile, if not worse. However, the culture of its readers limit the extent of their madness. To a degree.
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January 31, 2016 9:03am
Manolo

What country would like to receive this scum? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35327083

Difficult at the best of times for thousands of refugees and other migrants who crowd here, hoping to make it across the Channel from France to England, the camp turns into a mud bath when the winter rain pours down.
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January 31, 2016 9:05am
stephieboy

Fox News Lie Machine Bullies Texas Muslims

( with of course the “able ” assistance of mad and hating Pamela Geller )

This past Saturday, Dallas community members came together under the banner of One Love, to confront a racist, hate mongering protest co-sponsored by Fox News Channel and attended by paranoia profiteer Pamela Geller. Americans of different ethnic backgrounds, faiths, and political values took a stand, despite threats of violence from right-wing Islamophobes on social media, to deliver a simple message: We are all American; there’s room enough for everyone.

Organized under the pretense of supporting free speech, Pamela Geller and her sheep travelled from across the country to descend upon a Dallas suburb, where a Muslim American media group had organized an event called: “Stand with the Prophet Against Terror and Hate.” Geller, unilaterally re-termed the event “Avenge the Prophet” to falsely associate these (and all) Muslims with the Charlie Hebdo murderers, when in fact the event was specifically aimed at driving home the point that these and other terrorist acts were to be condemned.
When Geller promulgates a baseless lie, she is transparent. Taking center stage at her hate rally, she preached: “When you come to these rallies, you have to know something. You have to know that you’re walking onto a stage, you have to know that this is a theater and the media is the director…”

https://medium.com/ummah-wide/fox-news-lie-machine-bullies-texas-muslims-9b8fa0394a27#.yskp1sv03
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January 31, 2016 9:07am
Kea

Manolo (19,712 comments) says:
January 31st, 2016 at 9:05 am

What country would like to receive this scum? http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27373131

“On 13 May 1939, more than 900 Jews fled Germany aboard a luxury cruise liner, the SS St Louis. They hoped to reach Cuba and then travel to the US – but were turned away in Havana and forced to return to Europe, where more than 250 were killed by the Nazis.”

Seems to be a familiar problem eh Manolo ? I thought your ilk would have figured it all out by now.
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January 31, 2016 9:09am
Pongo

With the TPPA it seems like MFAT took into account Labours bottom line and achieved everything they said they wanted, its a bit naughty of Little to play the xenophobe card of foriegners buying up our land and houses when the TPPA states that our OIA remains intact and if its houses he worries about then he is free to put a stamp duty on at whatever level he likes.
It reflects poorly on most of Labours caucus who have been banging on about regional development that they would oppose free trade and align there thinking with someone like Kelsey.
We kept Pharmac, we carved out tobacco etc. and realistically its an agreement between 12 soveriegn nations run by MPs who,s naked self interests are legendary so to think they would knowingly sign away all their powers to legislate and distribute pork is laughable.
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January 31, 2016 9:10am
Hugh Pavletich

BERNARD HICKEY: SHORT, SHARP LESSON DUE ON ( HOUSE ) PRICES … NEW ZEALAND HERALD

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/01/asx-at-the-close-610/

Bernard Hickey: Short, sharp lesson due on (house) prices – Business – NZ Herald News

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11582389

… I sat in the movie theatre cringing. All the language of the crowd sounded exactly the same as those who defended Auckland’s housing valuations this week when Demographia ( http://www.demographia.com ) called out Auckland’s house prices as more expensive than London and Los Angeles when measured versus incomes.

Auckland’s house prices have never fallen much, they said. Auckland was an international city, like New York and Hong Kong, which made it different this time. Auckland was a special place where people desperately wanted to live. And this would never change.

Auckland is different from America’s housing markets in many ways. Home owners can’t just mail their keys to their banks and walk away debt-free. The supply of new houses is not cheap and easy, as it was in many US states. …

… The Big Short forces you to look at your world with fresh eyes. I’d recommend it for anyone sure that Auckland’s “Big Long” is a sure thing.

Auckland house prices ‘unprecedented’ Reserve Bank says | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/76382935/auckland-house-prices-unprecedented-reserve-bank-says

Hopes rise that Auckland’s children won’t grow up to be renters | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/76385596/hopes-rise-that-aucklands-children-wont-grow-up-to-be-renters

Housing Bubbles And Market Sense | Hugh Pavletich | January 2009 | Scoop News NZ

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0901/S00046.htm

Demographia Housing Survey media reporting …

https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=demographia&tbm=nws
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January 31, 2016 9:15am
Hugh Pavletich

GREAT CONSENSUS ON HOUSE PRICES RAISES HOPES AUCKLAND CHILDREN WILL NOT BE RENTERS … ROB STOCK … FAIRFAX NEW ZEALAND

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/01/auckland-housings-wild-divergence/

‘Great Consensus’ on house prices raises hopes Auckland’s children won’t grow up to be renters | Rob Stock | Fairfax NZ / Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/76385596/great-consensus-on-house-prices-raises-hopes-aucklands-children-wont-grow-up-to-be-renters

A “Great Consensus” on the need for affordable homes is raising hopes that Auckland’s children will be able to afford to buy their own places when they are grown up.

Affordable housing campaigner Hugh Pavletich, Auckland Council chief economist Chris Parker, and Oliver Hartwich from the New Zealand Initiative think tank are all optimistic for kids in school today.

But they say new laws will be needed to change the scale of home-building in the country’s biggest and fastest-growing city. … read more via hyperlink above …
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January 31, 2016 9:18am
Kea

Hugh Pavletich, elect Penny Bright and I promise Auckland housing prices will plummet 🙂
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January 31, 2016 9:26am
Manolo

Erdogan and Turkey can no longer deny their participation: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35450290

At least 39 migrants, including several children, have drowned trying to cross the Aegean Sea from Turkey to Greece, coastguards say. Local officials say they expect the death toll to rise when the capsized boat is searched.

Thousands of refugees and migrants continue to make the dangerous sea journey from Turkey to Greece to seek asylum in northern Europe.
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January 31, 2016 9:46am
Awww C-mon

Kea, you commented earlier that National are taking resources away from frontline staff, my experience is the opposite. They are cutting out middle management and strengthening the front line.

I will try and find some evidence later when I have time. Why do you think they are removing frontline resources?

Edit: just read your 9:09. You are fucked in the head son.
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January 31, 2016 9:46am
Nostradamus

Labour wants to manage a country but can’t even manage a website.

1. Go to http://www.labour.org.nz.
2. The page automatically redirects to http://campaign.labour.org.nz.
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Oh dear… and on Andrew Little’s big day too!
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January 31, 2016 9:47am
Kea

” Why do you think they are removing frontline resources?”

You seem to be repeating the official line. My comments are informed by speaking with people in those jobs. They are gutting the front line and I read very little about it in the media. Speak to Nurses & Cops for a start…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/70764403/Proposal-to-cut-police-prosecutors-absurd
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January 31, 2016 9:51am
Kea

“Edit: just read your 9:09. You are fucked in the head son.”

Sorry you must have pressed enter before engaging the topic. A bit of abuse is good fun, but to avoid looking like a bigoted hypocrite with no moral principles, you need to make some attempt at reason.

I look forward to a – reasoned – response. People like YOU turned away Jews fleeing the NAZI. Not people like me.
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January 31, 2016 9:54am
kowtow

“Because they want to enslave the population along the models of Stalin, Mao, Castro, Ceausescu, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Ho Chi Min, and Honecker.”………and the thieving, murdering ,rapist ‘prophet’ Mohammed,who was no different to the aforenamed.
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January 31, 2016 9:54am
Inandout

Hugh Pavletich: Bernard Hickey is an ex TV reporter FGS.
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January 31, 2016 9:55am
Lucia Maria

Are ‘Security Moms’ Back? The Women Who Could Stop Donald Trump In Iowa

Quinnipiac University Poll results released Jan. 26 showed Iowa women overwhelmingly cared about foreign policy when voting. A full 25 percent of women said terrorism was the most important issue in deciding who to support for the Republican nomination, while just 13 percent of men said so. Women also rated foreign policy as more important than men did. The same disparity was seen in the results of a recent CBS News/YouGov poll, which indicated 21 percent of women and 10 percent of men said choosing a president who could fight terrorism was most important to them.

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The Quinnipiac poll this week found that while 36 percent of men in Iowa backed Trump, just 25 percent of women in the state supported him. Meanwhile, 25 percent of women backed Cruz, and 15 percent of women supported Rubio. Women are more likely than men to still be undecided at this point, but regardless of which candidate they support, the data on favorability is clear. A recent Public Policy Polling survey found Cruz with a 67 percent favorability rating among women. The comparable figures were 54 percent for Rubio and 48 percent for Trump.

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Other women said they enjoyed the spectacle of Trump, but have been turned off by his lack of details. The front-runner in the race for the Republican nomination began his campaign by refusing to detail his plan against the Islamic State group, claiming other candidates would steal it in the event he gave out specifics. Now, his plan appears to involve everything from bombing the militant group and taking its oil to killing the families of terrorists — which would likely amount to a war crime — to trying to close the internet. Trump has also drawn criticism for his call to ban all Muslims from entering the U.S. and for what many see as repeated sexist comments.

“I don’t have the tolerance for anyone who has to pick on gender, race, anything over leadership. Those components should not be a part of thoughtful discussion,” said Sara Kurovski, 31, who is the Republican mayor of Pleasant Hill, Iowa.

Kurovski, who has two boys ages 4 and 3 and works for the United Way of Central Iowa at her day job, said she wants a president who understands her values and will provide a voice for those who don’t otherwise have one. She said Trump “has gone over the line, and I believe he would set the stage for men to treat women differently.”

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“In my age group, a lot of them are quiet Marco fans,” said Tracee Knapp, a 43-year-old mother of three who supports Rubio. “But my friends that are older, the ones over 60, they like Trump. I don’t like his behavior. … When you’re in a national election, you have to be much more diplomatic than that.”

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“I feel like our military isn’t a priority, and, with all these attacks, it should be,” Knapp said. “Right now, I really believe ISIS is a threat, and I know that we need a good leader to develop a plan to deal with ISIS — not a bully but a good leader.”
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January 31, 2016 9:58am
igm

What has Jesse Ryder ever done to Grovel Saville? Last night he, on his taxpayer-funded sports news, mentioned two or three stand out players for Central Stags in their demolition of Canterbury, completely omitting Jesse who was in fine form with both bat and ball. This Grovel guy did not let up when Jesse was having problems, along with Zac Guilford, and Bracewell. If he has such strong feelings against a bit of exuberance and a few beers, maybe he is in the wrong vocation. He could show Jesse his envy or dislike with a challenge in the next Fight for Life . . . it may sort his chip out once and for all. By the way, is he in line for Muslim recognition because he applauded SBW for a performance that no one else saw . . . he has earned the title “Grovel”.
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January 31, 2016 10:01am
All_on_Red

“I look forward to a – reasoned – response. People like YOU turned away Jews fleeing the NAZI. Not people like me.”
The latter part of this sentence is anything but a reasoned response. If you’re going to behave like this Kea then role on you getting banned again.
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January 31, 2016 10:03am
Awww C-mon

http://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/8962840/Thirty-five-roles-go-in-WINZ-restructuring

Note the 500 extra staff Kea. Talking to people don’t mean shit, you sound like a Green Party MP with lines like that.

And your comment about people like me turning away from the Jews, you know fuck all you egotistical dick.
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January 31, 2016 10:03am
mikenmild

igm
You thought Ryder’s half-century deserved special mention instead of Worker’s 150?
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January 31, 2016 10:07am
Kea

ITS A CONSPIRACY ❗

Even by the challenging standards of the internet this site is lunatic, with its combination of revisionist history, propaganda and religiously inspired conspiracy theories. Its alarming to think these people are permitted to raise vulnerable children and pollute their minds in this way.

Have a read folks and see for yourself.

➡ http://www.nzconservative.blogspot.co.nz/
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January 31, 2016 10:07am
kowtow

From the formerly European country that imposed “multiculturalism” on its citizens . Something is missing from this story. Another media coverup?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/639317/Man-stabs-wife-66-times-cuts-off-her-nose-upper-lip-alleged-honour-killing
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January 31, 2016 10:13am
igm

milkwimp: He had a damn good all round game, and was as good, if not better than others mentioned. Grovel has a dislike of Jesse and has been displaying this on his programme for a long time, so surely, if he feels so incensed, he can jump in the ring and teach Jesse how to behave!
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January 31, 2016 10:13am
Kea

“Talking to people don’t mean shit”

Awww C-mon , as opposed to parroting the party-line ? You see I read the party-line and then listen to the front-line. I then compare the two.

Yes it was people like you & Shawn who turned away Jewish refugees, because of their religion. They were demonised in the same way Muslims are now. If you can not see the equivalence of my point, then I have over estimated your intellectual honesty. Simply calling me nasty names will not obscure that blatantly obvious fact.
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January 31, 2016 10:13am
mikenmild

Yes, that’s right igm. I feel any sports journalist’s criticism of a player should be settled violently.
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January 31, 2016 10:15am
kowtow

aww c mon

A friendly word of advice.

Kea is a troll . Don’t engage it as that is what it thrives on.

And it’s not a “dick” . It’s a woman.
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January 31, 2016 10:15am
stephieboy

kowtow , show us how Syrian Muslim refugees fleeing the carnage there can be likened to Pol Pot , Mao , Stalin etc ?

Another media cover up from the Daily Express tabloid ?
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January 31, 2016 10:16am
Kea

ITS A CONSPIRACY !!!!

But don’t worry folks our very own Lucia Maria is onto it.

She has even figured out (with some help from Geeeeesus no doubt) that the sneaky Dutch have conspired with the evil godless communists to hide the terrible truth about this tragic event. I am not sure if the Antichrist is involved, though her investigation is ongoing.

Read all about it 🙂

MH-17 Report and attempts to cover up the cause of the crash

http://www.nzconservative.blogspot.co.nz/2015/10/mh-17-report-and-attempts-to-cover-up.html
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January 31, 2016 10:21am
Manolo

The NYT on Trump and Sanders voters:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/us/bernie-sanders-and-donald-trump-voters-share-anger-but-direct-it-differently.html
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January 31, 2016 10:21am
Awww C-mon

Kea

Awww C-mon , as opposed to parroting the party-line ? You see I read the party-line and then listen to the front-line. I then compare the two.

Bullshit Kea, if you want to circle jerk with a few mates to prove your prejudices go for it champ. Just don’t pretend it means something.

Yes it was people like you & Shawn who turned away Jewish refugees, because of their religion. They were demonised in the same way Muslims are now. If you can not see the equivalence of my point, then I have over estimated your intellectual honesty. Simply calling me nasty names will not obscure that blatantly obvious fact.

You know absolutely zero about me and what my thoughts are on refugee’s, Muslims, Jews, Palestine etc as I have never commented on that. There is no blatantly obvious fact. If you want to call me out try not to be an emo bitch about it.
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January 31, 2016 10:22am
Manolo

Say it again, stephieboy: How many thousand Muslim refugees should NZ receive?
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January 31, 2016 10:23am
Kea

Awww C-mon , You know absolutely zero about me and what my thoughts are on refugee’s, Muslims, Jews, Palestine etc . If you want to call me out try not to be an emo bitch about it.
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January 31, 2016 10:26am
stephieboy

Manolo, lets think about that for a sec. ? … I would say 3x the present quota which should include a percentage of Christian and Yzadis .

Happy ?

kea squawk, squawk , do you support the turning back of the St Louis ?
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January 31, 2016 10:27am
Kea

*****ITS A CONSPIRACY ***** ❗

Learn how: Archaeologists, Historians, Anthropologists and other specialists have conspired with the “Maoris” to trick us all and hide the shocking truth. 🙂

Lucky we have Lucia Maria & Co to find these things out, with some help from an imaginary bronze age tribal cult’s sky fairy.

http://nzconservative.blogspot.co.nz/2016/01/australian-made-production-on-pre-maori.html
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January 31, 2016 10:33am
Nostradamus

Stephieboy:

This article may assist you with answering Manolo’s question:

Although 89 Syrians have already come to New Zealand under the country’s standard quota of 750 UN-approved refugees each year, the group that arrived at Mangere last week is the first of an extra 600 that the Government has agreed to take in the next two and a half years above the quota.

Is your “3x the present quota” answer based on the “standard quota of 750 UN-approved refugees” or the “extra 600”?
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January 31, 2016 10:33am
Lucia Maria

Sorry Kea, can’t get drawn into a flame war right now. I’m getting ready to go to church… I still have that seat saved for you.
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January 31, 2016 10:35am
Nostradamus

The Labour party website problems get even funnier!

Go to http://www.labour.org.nz (before they fix the problem) and you’ll see this:

We couldn’t find the page you were looking for.

You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.

Wow…
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January 31, 2016 10:36am
Kea

“kea squawk, squawk , do you support the turning back of the St Louis ?”

Oh I see what you are doing there. Up to your usual shit eh ? Why would you ask such a thing given my clearly stated views on such matters, other than to attempt to discredit me by implying I have views I do not hold ?

But I am a good sport so I will play along.

1. Do you continue to support the rape of Jewish girls ? Yes or no ?
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January 31, 2016 10:37am
Awww C-mon

Nostra

“mistyped the address or the page may have moved”

It has moved Nostra, try http://www.labour.org.nz/furtherleft
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January 31, 2016 10:37am
Kea

Sorry Kea, can’t get drawn into a flame war right now. I’m getting ready to go to church… I still have that seat saved for you.

No amount of groveling around, after the fact, will cleanse you of your sins girl. You may as well come and have a drink with me 👿
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January 31, 2016 10:39am
Captain Mainwaring

Two teens killed in Masterton while running away from the cops in a stolen car.
Another positive outcome for the gene pool.
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January 31, 2016 10:40am
kowtow

Hilary’s friends

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_trouble_with_hillary_clintons_aide/
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January 31, 2016 10:41am
stephieboy

kea squawk, squawk ,

1. Do you continue to support the rape of Jewish girls ? Yes or no ?

No more than the rape of Yazidi, Shia Muslim and Christian girls ,

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/oct/19/yazidi-survivors-isis-torture-rape-need-support-uk-promised

Do you ??
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January 31, 2016 10:46am
Kea

stephieboy you side stepped the question. Anyway you asked for some statistics earlier when denying there was even a problem with rape in Europe. Here is what you have been so vocal in defending:

1 IN 4 SWEDISH WOMEN WILL BE RAPED AS SEXUAL ASSAULTS INCREASE 500%
Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000 is six times higher than the United States. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/175434/1-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-sexual-assaults-daniel-greenfield
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January 31, 2016 10:51am
Lucia Maria

Kea,

You may as well come and have a drink with me ?

Ask me again when you’ve managed to stick it out un-suspended* on Kiwi Blog for six months. Consider it an incentive.

*For the pedant who will return later tonight to scrutinise my exact words.
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January 31, 2016 10:51am
Captain Mainwaring

Penny,
You might be too busy organising a soap-dodgers’ parade to answer my question (8.07), but you seem to have a dilemma.
You are opposed to the concept of ‘supercities’, yet you want to be mayor of one.
When you become the mayor, are you going to disestablish the supercity and reduce it to its component parts, thus doing yourself out of a job?
Please answer, you expect answers of others. It’s called ‘credibility’.
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January 31, 2016 10:52am
cmm

How many people actually showed up at the TPPA marches? Anyone got an accurate number?

TVNZ says “thousands” turned up in Auckland, but a count of the rough count of the march past on the video clip would suggest two or three hundred at most.

TV3 says “several hundred”in Christchurch”, but judging by their pictures it would be a stretch to say more two or three hundred.

There would seem to be more people in NZ that believe in UFOs and flat earth than are against TPPA.
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January 31, 2016 10:53am
Tauhei Notts

From a bookmaker’s web site;
Clinton has exactly the same chance of winning the presidency as Trump has of winning the Republican Party nomination.
They are both at about $1.95.
But I believe it is the trend that needs watching. Seven weeks ago Trump was third favourite, behind Rubio and Cruz for the Republican nod. Rubio and Cruz have drifted in the betting over the past seven weeks while Trump has come in from $5.20 to odds on.
I have been listening to Red Radio rave about their “lovely boy”, Bernie Sanders. Get real! Rubio is rated a better chance of winning the presidency than Sanders.
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January 31, 2016 10:55am
Kea

“Consider it an incentive.”

Lucy, I was offering you the incentive. A few Wodkas might clear the clutter our of your head. 🙂
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January 31, 2016 10:56am
Nostradamus

Cmm:

How many people actually showed up at the TPPA marches? Anyone got an accurate number?

Well, according to It’s Our Future Christchurch’s Charles Drace, the turnout has dropped:

The last major TPPA rally in Christchurch, held in August, attracted 3500 people, Drace said. He and a fellow organiser estimated about 1000 had turned up to Saturday’s rally.

So down from 3500 in August to 1000 in January.
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January 31, 2016 11:00am
Inandout

Lest we forget the vote on Israel:

‘Resolution 181: The Partition Resolution of 29 November 1947-

For the Resolution (33) – Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukraine, South Africa, Uruguay, the Soviet Union, the United States, Venezuela, White Russia.

Against (13) – Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

Abstentions (10) – Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom, Yugoslavia.

Absent (1) – Siam’.

Shame on the UK government for having no backbone, and that gutlessness carries on with the Islamification of Britain. But the ‘against’ are par for the course.
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January 31, 2016 11:03am
Nostradamus

WTF – Andrew Little can’t even organise his own showcase event:

Andrew Little’s State of the Nation speech will now be at 1pm today.

So the time has been brought forward from 2pm to 1pm.
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January 31, 2016 11:04am
stephieboy

kea squawk, squawk ,

Misleading Murder and Rape Maps, and the Sweden Rape Puzzle

A most valuable analysis and examination behind the actual reality and myth behind the highly misleading claim that Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. Given also that Sweden has more or less the same incidence of rape as NZ and also recognising Sweden has much, much broader definition of rape than other countries including NZ .This helps to skew statistics as your link graphically illustrate

Source: http://www.geocurrents.info/geography-of-crime-and-punishment/misleading-murder-and-rape-maps-and-the-the-sweden-rape-puzzle#ixzz3yldL5XZz

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

Whom do hate most ? The fact that these immigrants happen to be Muslim or is it the colour of their skin ?
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January 31, 2016 11:06am
cmm

@Paulus: “I see that the dreadful Herald is saying that the Green Taliban are repositioning themselves to the middle of the political spectrum.”

Not impossible to envisage actually.

In the Rod Donald era, Green were pretty much a single-issue party focusing on the environment and such issues. They were pretty rational people to deal with (I even had some really coherent and interesting email discussions with Nándor Tánczos – the Rastafarian dope smoker bloke).

It was only when they went commie with the swing to Norman and Bradford that they really became heavy lefties.

As it was described to me by a Greenie MP, they felt that being a single issue party was not enough to get anywhere. People generally have bigger issues in their lives than the environment and that inherently left Green sitting in the sub-10% camp. To get any growth they needed to widen up their policy base and the only place they could do so was to go commie with Norman at the head.

If they reverse that and go back to their roots (ie. single-issue Rod Donald era) then they can slot in anywhere on the left-right spectrum.

Is that likely to happen? No, I don’t think so. But it is possible.
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January 31, 2016 11:09am
niggly

Another Andrew Little/Matt McCarten Labour/TPPA cluster-fuck related question!

Are most of the MSM asleep or simply not mind that the NZ Labour Party has now veered into UK Labour Corbyn territory (McCarten, the Unions and the old school radicals have fired a shot, taking absolute control, which seems to have gone over the MSM’s heads)?

They’ve won a major Labour policy battle and changed economic direction, decades into the past!

Nevermind they’ll sink spectacularly (and Little will be demonised more than Cunliffe by the MSM in the end), at least for us watching, the popcorn tastes great and it’s another case of you couldn’t make this shit up!
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January 31, 2016 11:11am
Nostradamus

Stephieboy:

I’ll repeat my question:

Is your “3x the present quota” answer based on the “standard quota of 750 UN-approved refugees” or the “extra 600”?

Could you please answer it?
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January 31, 2016 11:11am
igm

milkwimp: If one is big enough to make criticism, one must be big enough to back it up, and if it is neccessary, physically. Are you saying anyone who boxes is violent?
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January 31, 2016 11:15am
Manolo

A great majority of the thousands of Muslims refuges you would love to bring to NZ will end up joining the unemployed (and unemployable) and depending on social welfare. Simply put, your fellow followers of Islam do not integrate well and prefer ghetto-like environments.
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January 31, 2016 11:20am
Jack5

Further evidence that “Stephieboy” is a group or consortium posting on Kiwiblog under one pseudonym comes today, IMHO.

Today’s “Stephieboy” is obviously someone well grounded in English grammar and the NZ idiom, and the post under this name at 10.51 in the thread, “We should support corporate welfare?”, reveals a sound knowledge of NZ history.

Today’s posts contrast sharply with the almost broken English of “Stephieboy” posts on some other days.
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January 31, 2016 11:21am
Kea

“Whom do hate most ? The fact that these immigrants happen to be Muslim or is it the colour of their skin ?”

Neither. I do not approve of their culture. What they do back home is none of my business. But when they do that here, it is my business.

Your denial of the rape problem in Europe is disgusting.
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January 31, 2016 11:24am
niggly

WTF – Andrew Little can’t even organise his own showcase event:

Andrew Little’s State of the Nation speech will now be at 1pm today.

So the time has been brought forward from 2pm to 1pm.

@ Nostradamus, that’ll be perfect for Labour! The sympathetic MSM will tell the viewers at 6pm on both channels that the reason why only an old lady walking her dog was the only person to hear Andrew Little’s speech was because it was brought forward, catching out a crowd of up to “500,000 supporters” that hadn’t made it to his podium in time …
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January 31, 2016 11:25am
Fletch

As far as Hillary and the FBI, at least one site says that although the FBI is pretty much impartial, without the DOJ to prosecute, the job the FBI is doing is pretty much worthless by itself.

The FBI routinely conducts major investigations in collaboration with Justice Department prosecutors — usually from the U.S. attorney’s office in the district where potential crimes occurred. That is because the FBI needs the assistance of a grand jury. The FBI does not have authority even to issue subpoenas, let alone to charge someone with a crime. Only federal prosecutors may issue subpoenas, on the lawful authority of the grand jury. Only prosecutors are empowered to present evidence or propose charges to the grand jury. And the Constitution vests only the grand jury with authority to indict — the formal accusation of a crime. In our system, the FBI can do none of these things.

No Justice Department, no grand jury. No grand jury, no case — period. As a technical matter, no matter how extensively the FBI pokes around on its own, no one can be a subject of a real investigation — i.e., one that can lead to criminal charges — unless and until there is a grand jury. That does not happen until the Justice Department hops on board.

So Obama is hedging his bets. He is letting the FBI investigate, but on its own, without Justice Department prosecutors and the grand jury. This frees the administration and the Clinton campaign to be, by turns, ambiguous and disingenuous about whether there really is a formal investigation going on. As long as it is only the FBI doing the digging, everyone can play along with the farce: The investigation is very “preliminary,” it doesn’t even have “subjects,” and it may even be a Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy sabotage (in which, somehow, the saboteurs are Obama appointees and non-political law-enforcement agents).

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430211/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-department-justice-obama

It looks like the WH will go to great lengths to protect Hillary. If it was a Republican, they’d most probably ben locked up by now.
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January 31, 2016 11:25am
Manolo

@fletch: It is almost a certainty that DOJ and Loretta Lynch will not prosecute Hillary Clinton. You can bet your house on it.
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