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Kea

I thought with the “invasion” the moooslems would have got your head by now Manolo. Are you writing your little racist rants holed up in a cave somewhere ?
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January 30, 2016 11:38am
mikenmild

Because racial purity in humans is just like breeding horses…
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January 30, 2016 11:39am
SGA

itstricky at 8:50 am

Air NZ planes have silver ferns. Change the flag and they magically become flag bearers. I don’t think I implied the opposite was possible anywhere along the line.

What you said was “Well of course he does. Then he doesn’t have to change any of the markings on his planes,…”
He doesn’t “have to change” the markings irrespective. What you say makes about as much sense as saying that Richie McCaw supports a flag change because then the ABs don’t have to change anything on their jersey.
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January 30, 2016 11:41am
Inandout

mikenmild 11.39: Don’t know, better ask a farmer about that.
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January 30, 2016 11:47am
stephieboy

kea, you must be chuffed with Pamela Geller’s claim that Malcom X sired the President ?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/5/4/1382312/-Anti-Muslim-Activist-Pamela-Geller-Obama-is-The-Love-Child-of-Malcolm-X

Inanadout, so breeding horses at a Cambridge stud is just like breeding humans ?
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January 30, 2016 11:48am
Kea

Never heard that one steph. But why would it matter ? He is gone soon and worse is to come. Both Hillary and Trump are epic pro-zionist war mongers who will likely attack Iran and the few remaining places not yet attacked that are hated by extremist Jews.
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January 30, 2016 11:53am
Fletch

Fletch , your support for the NRA takes precedence over the 20 preschooler and 6 teachers massacred at Sandy Hook ?

My support for the 58 million babies aborted in the U.S since Roe v Wade (1,480 babies killed so far today) takes precedence. And the total 1.4 billion aborted worldwide.

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Sandy Hook, while a tragedy, is but a drop in the bucket – no, a drop in the ocean.
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January 30, 2016 11:54am
sooty

Miss Bright, not avaliable for an interview with the heerald were we. Maybe they think you never will be!
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January 30, 2016 11:55am
Harriet

“….Inanadout, so breeding horses at a Cambridge stud is just like breeding humans ?…’

For the most part Stephie yeah, why, how did you think we went about it? 😎
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January 30, 2016 12:00pm
stephieboy

kea,

kea, so Hilary Clinton failed to endorse the Iran Nuclear deal ?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/09/hillary-clinton-backs-iran-nuclear-deal-it-is-no-longer-in-much-doubt

Fletch, highly debatable whether those aborted foetuses are actual lives in being .And you seem quite happy to take out he Middle east with nukes as per Ted Cruz “glowing sands” with potentially hundreds of million more lives ?
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January 30, 2016 12:01pm
Kea

Fletch sacks of fluid and cells are not “babies”. Anymore than an egg is a Rooster.

The real issue is the millions of people slaughtered by the same government that wants to take guns from ordinary people. The risk posed by random acts of madmen is insignificant compared to the risk posed by armed governments.

Anyone worried about terrorists or random gunmen has an anxiety disorder, or is not too bright. The risk is tiny.
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January 30, 2016 12:04pm
Kea

steph, Her history shows Hillary as an incredibly dishonest unprincipled manipulative liar. She has gone along with the Iran deal for short term political reasons. She will serve those who gave her the $$$ and power. They want Iran attacked and she will do it.
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January 30, 2016 12:08pm
wikiriwhis business

Excluding investment gains and losses, the Treasury said the operating deficit stood at $1.624 billion for the five months to the end of November, compared with the $1.241b shortfall that had been forecast.

Treasury said the result is due to a weaker tax take from business, and lower interest income.

Core Crown tax revenue was 0.8 percent below forecast at $26.4b, with corporate tax $167 million below forecast, mainly as a result of weaker-than-forecast provisional tax in November, although Treasury said about a quarter of that was timing related.

Source deductions were $110m, or 1 percent, below forecast as a result of a larger-than-forecast seasonal decline in the November month, although this variance is expected to reverse out over the coming months.

Core Crown expenses stood at $30.5b, close to what was forecast.

Net debt stood at $63.5b, or 26 percent of gross domestic product.

After posting a $414m surplus last year – the first in seven years – the Treasury has forecasted a small deficit of $400m in 2016 due to the slowing economy and subdued inflation.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/294947/govt-deficit-higher-than-expected

The Herald ran an editorial on tax avoidance today asking why the IRD is not targeting corporates. Apple, Facebook etc.

landlords would be my first port of call. Right wing rogues
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January 30, 2016 12:08pm
stephieboy

Harriet, never knew we raised humans to breed out undesirable genetic defects like downs and other undesirable deformities like racial ones – eugenics ?

An aspiration of yours ?

kea, s you sure are going to have fun and fireworks when Shawn Hereles hits the scene . Now whose going to get the first banning I wonder ?
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January 30, 2016 12:14pm
Fletch

Fletch sacks of fluid and cells are not “babies”. Anymore than an egg is a Rooster.

They are potential babies. That is exactly what every person who has ever been born looked like at that time of the cycle in their life. That is exactly what you looked like when you were that age. Just as an adult person does not look the same as a baby, a fetus does not look exactly like a newborn – yet they are still the same person. or do you expect a person in the mothers womb to look like an adult, only smaller? Like a toy action figure? If they did, would you be more likely not to abort them?

If your mother had aborted you at that age then you wouldn’t have lived to be here today either.
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January 30, 2016 12:15pm
Kea

Fletch, my hard on is a – potential baby. But it is not a baby.

Your position is an appeal to emotion, probably informed by the ramblings of a Middle Eastern tribal cult that existed thousands of years ago and who’s figurehead demands infants be torn from pregnant women’s bellies, during one of his frequent murderous rages.
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January 30, 2016 12:20pm
Shawn Herles

Atheist Civil War: Angry Feminists Get Richard Dawkins Disinvited from Skeptics’ Conference

“As the leading voice of militant atheists, Richard Dawkins has spent much of the last few decades battling Christians, Muslims, and deity-worshippers of every denomination. But now he has a new fanatical opponent: the secular dogmatists of the regressive left.”

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/01/28/atheist-civil-war-angry-feminists-get-richard-dawkins-disinvited-from-skeptics-conference/
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January 30, 2016 12:22pm
holysheet

Fri, 29 Jan 2016
EXCLUSIVE: Fonterra’s contractors to face slash and burn
Cow
Duncan Garner

Fonterra is targeting contractors that work closely with the dairy giant.

Fonterra has demanded a fresh 10% across the board saving from its suppliers and contractors.

The ‘at least’ 10% saving figure has come from a Fonterra letter leaked to me by a supplier.

In the letter, Fonterra says it needs to be more resilient, including a review that has seen staff sacked and now the number of contractors may be reduced.

This is why they are in the shit. If you try and get your suppliers, contractors and others to unilaterally reduce their charges in a months notice, then where will it end?

What about reducing your bloated salaries, starting at the top?
Working your way down to the very bottom, will save Fonterra millions of dollars.
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January 30, 2016 12:26pm
Fletch

Fletch, my hard on is a – potential baby. But it is not a baby.

Kea, if a fetus not a baby, then what is it? A vegetable? A tree? A mineral? Some other kind of animal? It can only be your son or daughter, nothing else. Or else why does a woman go to an abortion clinic? She goes to stop herself having her baby. And the abortionist accomplishes that for her. How do you think he does that?

A woman only goes to an abortion clinic if she is pregnant (eg, if she is going to have a baby). So it is her baby that is growing inside her. That is what she has gone to get rid of. It is only common sense. Don’t try and pretend it is something else. Even feminist Germaine Greer admitted it in Mumbai at the Tata Literature Live conference at the end of last year when she said, “Feminists must realise some of their victories were pyrrhic,” and that there was no getting away from the fact that “abortion is killing, don’t pretend it isn’t”.

ps, you’re just being silly comparing it to a hard-on.
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January 30, 2016 12:26pm
Shawn Herles

Bloody hilarious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJUqhm2g08
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January 30, 2016 12:27pm
stephieboy

Kea, actually the Jews like their Abrahamic Muslim cousins have a rather more liberal view of abortion than compared to their Catholic Abrahamic and certain Christian fundie ones .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/jewishethics/abortion_1.shtml

and,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/islamethics/abortion_1.shtml
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January 30, 2016 12:28pm
Kea

steph, The flak is always heaviest over the target.

Watching moral cripples like him racing around trying to ban people is hilarious, and very instructive of their true nature and intentions. It is the most profound statement possible of their cowardice and lack of sincerity. At least that is the view taken by decent and intelligent folk.

Anyway the KB community must be a very happy place right now, given how Trump is doing. The rest of us are looking towards more religious wars and death:

THE TIMES OF ISRAEL

When it comes to Jewish ties, no GOP candidate trumps Trump

Trump is from New York, works in professions saturated with Jews and long has been a vocal supporter of Israel. His daughter and two grandchildren are Jewish, the executive vice president of his organization is Jewish — and Trump certainly has chutzpah.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/when-it-comes-to-jewish-ties-no-gop-candidate-trumps-trump/
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January 30, 2016 12:29pm
Griff

ROFL
Anyone in to sweep for kea going bye bye .
Griff gives the parrot eight days …..demise by midnight 7 feb .
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January 30, 2016 12:29pm
Shawn Herles

Good news. South Carolina House Passes Bill Excluding Sharia Law From State Courts

“The South Carolina House has passed a bill blocking Islamic sharia law from being recognized or approved in the state, after years of debate over similar legislation.

The legislation voted upon was explained as “A bill to amend the code of laws of South Carolina … so as to prevent a court or other enforcement authority from enforcing foreign law including, but not limited to, Sharia Law in this state from a forum outside of the United States or its territories under certain circumstances.”

On Thursday, the legislation passed with 68 for the bill and 42 opposed.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/28/exclusive-south-carolina-house-passes-bill-banning-sharia-law/
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January 30, 2016 12:29pm
Kea

“ps, you’re just being silly comparing it to a hard-on.”

Okay how about a wank-stain Fletch ? You see none of your examples, or mine, are capable of self sustaining life. Its not “silly” it is a fact. A fact that exposes the weakness of your argument.
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January 30, 2016 12:33pm
Kea

Griff, stick to dodgy weather forecasts 🙂
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January 30, 2016 12:34pm
Shawn Herles

Germany’s “Rapefugee” Crisis

YouTube plea for protection from 16-year-old German girl reveals the widespread nightmare of migrant sexual violence.

” “Why should we children have to grow up in such fear?”

That is the very reasonable question 16-year-old German teenager Bibi Wilhailm asks, in her 20-minute YouTube video, garnering her some much-needed recognition in cyberspace. Her video had first appeared on Facebook, but was taken down for reasons that still remain unclear.

But Wilhailm doesn’t seem to care too much for fame. In her first ever YouTube appearance, she says she only wants her old life back. It is a life that she describes as “toll” (fantastic), before Chancellor Angela Merkel allowed one million, mostly male and Muslim, refugees into Germany last fall. Since then, Wilhailm says, “life has become very unsafe on the streets for young women like me and my friends.”

“This is the truth. We are no longer allowed to walk outside,” said Wilhailm. “We are no longer allowed to wear our clothes. We are no longer allowed to live the German life. This is the sad truth.”

Wilhaim’s fears are neither unfounded nor exaggerated. A security official as prominent as the police chief of Vienna, Gerhard Purstl, confirmed Wilhailm’s claim when he warned women not to venture out at night alone and to “avoid suspicious-looking areas.” Purstl’s warning came after several sex attacks in Austria by migrants.

If anyone possessed any doubts about Muslim migrant attitudes toward the ‘infidel’ women of their host countries, these doubts should have been painfully and publicly dispelled last New Year’s Eve at Cologne’s central train station. A thousand of the new arrivals, mostly young Arab men, gathered there that evening and, like packs of hyenas, molested hundreds of women, raping several.

“We are so scared,” said Wilhailm, expressing the fear young women are now forced to face. “We don’t want to be scared to go to the grocery store alone after sunset.””

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261643/germanys-rapefugee-crisis-stephen-brown
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January 30, 2016 12:34pm
Griff

The problem with the likes of Fletch. He wants the baby’s to be born then abandons the family …Doesn’t want to support unwanted kiddys in any way.
The ultimate cope out.
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January 30, 2016 12:36pm
cha

a rather more liberal view of abortion

Free and on demand.

The 2014 “health basket” of medical services and medications approved by Israel’s cabinet Sunday (Jan. 5) includes free abortions for Israeli women aged 20 to 33, regardless of the circumstances.

The $4.6 million earmarked by the Health Ministry committee will cover some 6,300 abortions for women who cannot afford the procedure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/israeli-government-offers-women-aged-20-to-33-free-abortions/2014/01/07/99155cc2-77b7-11e3-a647-a19deaf575b3_story.html
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January 30, 2016 12:36pm
Griff

Griff, stick to dodgy weather forecast.
The last time I was within a couple of days of the parrots demise ………Can we do better this time ?
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January 30, 2016 12:38pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , before you finish your lunch , hit and run then dart out , as a “liberal rightist” you have always been and continue to be ? :

Pro gay marriage and gay rights ,
Pro abortion
Anti capital punishment
Pro Feminist

etc, etc, etc

Comparing Republican “Christian Values” To Islamic Fundamentalism

Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/comparing-republican-christian-values-to-islamic-fundamentalism/
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January 30, 2016 12:38pm
AgentBallSack

Griff I will give him 4 days.
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January 30, 2016 12:38pm
Shawn Herles

Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Simple Answers to False Claims: Defeating the radicals begins with the facts.

” It took the Arab propaganda machine decades of persistent, aggressive effort to convince many oblivious individuals – including some world leaders – of the canard that Jews illegally occupy Arab land, having “stolen it from Palestinians.”

The Mideast conflict may be complicated to solve, but is quite easily explained:

The Jewish people have an unbroken 4,000-year national history in the land of Israel.
Never in history has there been an Arab Palestinian State.
The Palestinian movement was founded to annihilate Israel.

Let’s look at some facts.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261589/israeli-palestinian-conflict-simple-answers-false-dr-shmuel-katz
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January 30, 2016 12:38pm
Shawn Herles

Stephie,

“Forward Progressives”

LMAO!!! 🙂
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January 30, 2016 12:40pm
Shawn Herles

“Griff I will give him 4 days.”

He’ll be gone before the end of today.
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January 30, 2016 12:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Shawn Herles 12:22pm

You can go and listen to Richard Dawkins in Wellington on March 4th (along with all the grey-haired literary ladies)
http://www.festival.co.nz/2016/writers-week/
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January 30, 2016 12:42pm
Kea

“Griff I will give him 4 days.”

Don’t forget to keep “reporting” me, every time I expose you for what you are.

It is the best you can do, given your – limitations – you can hardly debate the issue, can you ?
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January 30, 2016 12:42pm
Shawn Herles

This Week in Progressive Lunacy: Woman Identifies as a Cat

It was just a matter of time.

” Though she was born female in Norway 20 years ago, Nano is now ready to tell the world that she was “born in the wrong species” and identifies as a cat.

In her video “confession” now approaching one million views on YouTube, the self-professed feline explains that she finally realized she was a cat at age 16. Nano confirmed her suspicions through “doctors and psychologists [who] found out what was ‘the thing’ with me.”

“Under my birth, there was a genetic defect,” she adds.

Now, Nano spends most of her time wearing cat ears and a cat tail, because, well, she wasn’t born with those. Nano also hisses when dogs are nearby.

“Sometime I hiss when meeting dogs in the street,” she said. “It’s because of their behavior and my instinct automatically reacts by hissing.”

Nano is interviewed in the video and explains that she can hear things others can’t, like “suitcases rolling on the ground” and “keys clinking in pockets.”

“Yes, I’m born like this,” Nano tells the interviewer. “Born in the wrong species.”

Besides having a fear of water, Nano says she often sleeps “in the sink and in the windowsill” and “can see better in the dark than in daylight.” But despite having a keen predator night vision, she has never caught a mouse, though she has tried many times.

Nano also has a male friend named Svein whom she says has “personalities.” Conveniently, one of them is a cat.

“He is human but have someone in his head that is a cat,” she explains. “I am born as cat.”

Nano’s psychologist has told her she can “grow out of it,” but she doubts she can.

“I think I will be a cat all my life,” she says.

The takeaway? In the progressive world where people can free themselves from the limits of biology and “identify” as any gender or now even any species, anything may be possible – but none of it is real.”

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/week-progressive-lunacy-woman-identifies-cat
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January 30, 2016 12:44pm
stephieboy

Shawn Hereles ,

frontpage facts ?

Smearcasting

How Islamophobes spread fear, bigotry and misinformation

Smearcasting: Table of Contents
Making Islamophobia Mainstream: How Muslim-bashers broadcast their bigotry 4
The Dirty Dozen: Who’s Who Among America’s Leading Islamophobes 8
David Horowitz 8
Robert Spencer 8
Daniel Pipes 10
Michael Savage 10
Pat Robertson 11
Sean Hannity 11
Bill O’Reilly 12
Mark Steyn 13
Steve Emerson 14
Michelle Malkin 14
Glenn Beck 15
Debbie Schlussel 16
Case Studies 18

We need to add you !

Like you I much prefer the term Muslim bashing and hating than Islamophobe !
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January 30, 2016 12:47pm
Kea

I was banned for sharing recent news stories about Jewish pedophile rings, in response to those who said muslims were pedos.

Now let us see is Shawn Herles is reported for that video he just posted. If not, I will be compelled to assume I can post such things about other religious groups.
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January 30, 2016 12:47pm
Shawn Herles

“You can go and listen to Richard Dawkins in Wellington on March 4th (along with all the grey-haired literary ladies)”

Heh, not my cup of tea Maggy. Still, he did have some good things to say regarding Christianity vs Islam and terrorism recently.

‘Professional Atheist Dawkins Says Christianity ‘Bulwark Against Something Worse’

“In a text that is coursing about on social media, professional God-slayer Richard Dawkins begrudgingly admitted that Christianity may actually be our best defense against aberrant forms of religion that threaten the world.

“There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings,” Dawkins said. “I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death.”

In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.

Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.”

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/12/professional-atheist-dawkins-says-christianity-bulwark-against-something-worse/
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January 30, 2016 12:48pm
AgentBallSack

I have never reported you Kea. Feel free to get yourself banned. The only person I have reported is Penny when she reported me for calling her names. Even then I only flagged her posts.
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January 30, 2016 12:49pm
Shawn Herles

Scots police smash two large Muslim pedophile rape gangs

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/scots-police-smash-two-large-muslim-pedophile-rape-gangs
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January 30, 2016 12:51pm
Shawn Herles

Police in German city accused of allowing Muslim migrants to shoplift

“It’s great to be young and a Muslim migrant in the Brave New Europe: you’re a protected class within a protected class. You can break any law you want, and authorities will put on funny hats and hand you leaflets. You can commit mass rape and women will come hand you flowers. No matter what you do, the political and media elites will flay as racist, bigoted Islamophobes those who raise the slightest objection to your growing presence.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/police-in-german-city-accused-of-allowing-muslim-migrants-to-shoplift
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January 30, 2016 12:54pm
starboard

What sort of scum assaults and stomps on a 75 year old woman..in a rest home. Rangi Joseph Harris does..another violent maori.
Dirty, filthy, low life piece of shit..that’s what you are rangi.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/76414316/police-search-for-man-after-rest-home-assault
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January 30, 2016 12:57pm
Shawn Herles

The Epidemic of UK Muslim Paedophile Rings

“The Oxfordshire child-sex-trafficking ring was allowed by the authorities’ negligence to drug, rape and sell for sex girls aged 11-16 over seven years. Seven gang members, all Muslim, have been found guilty of a string of sex offences just over two weeks ago. Consider the following quote:

“The fact is that the vicious activities of the Oxford ring are bound up with religion and race: religion, because all the perpetrators, though they had different nationalities, were Muslim; and race, because they deliberately targeted vulnerable white girls, whom they appeared to regard as ‘easy meat’, to use one of their revealing, racist phrases.

Indeed, one of the victims who bravely gave evidence in court told a newspaper afterwards that ‘the men exclusively wanted white girls to abuse’.

But as so often in fearful, politically correct modern Britain, there is a craven unwillingness to face up to this reality.

Commentators and politicians tip-toe around it, hiding behind weasel words.

We are told that child sex abuse happens ‘in all communities’, that white men are really far more likely to be abusers, as has been shown by the fall-out from the Jimmy Savile case.

One particularly misguided commentary argued that the predators’ religion was an irrelevance, for what really mattered was that most of them worked in the night-time economy as taxi drivers, just as in the Rochdale child sex scandal many of the abusers worked in kebab houses, so they had far more opportunities to target vulnerable girls.

But all this is deluded nonsense. While it is, of course, true that abuse happens in all communities, no amount of obfuscation can hide the pattern that has been exposed in a series of recent chilling scandals, from Rochdale to Oxford, and Telford to Derby.

In all these incidents, the abusers were Muslim men, and their targets were under-age white girls.

Moreover, reputable studies show that around 26 per cent of those involved in grooming and exploitation rings are Muslims, which is around five times higher than the proportion of Muslims in the adult male population.

To pretend that this is not an issue for the Islamic community is to fall into a state of ideological denial.””

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2013/06/03/the-epidemic-of-uk-muslim-paedophile-rings/
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January 30, 2016 12:57pm
Kea

Shawn were they the same cops who busted these pedos ?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/juliankossoff/100026836/sexual-abuse-the-orthodox-jewish-communitys-devastating-secret/

They should probably get a Knighthood. What is wrong with religious people Shawn ? Catholics [ LOTS !!!] Jews and even Muslims, all fiddling with kids. Breaks my heart.

Makes me proud to be an atheist and in no way part of any of that carry on. 🙂
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January 30, 2016 12:57pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles (11,748 comments) says:
January 30th, 2016 at 12:40 pm

We can take it as admission that you’ve always been a closeted Liberal progressive embracing pro gay marriage , pro abortion etc . Any thing Islam is you , Pamel Geller and frontage are not !
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January 30, 2016 12:58pm
Shawn Herles

One Million Child Victims of Muslim Rape Gangs in the U.K.?

A national disaster sweeps Britain.

“In a gut-wrenching development, it may turn out that last year’s report detailing a decade-and-a-half of sexual exploitation inflicted on at least 1,400 children from Rotherham, England—and the PC-driven effort to cover it up–may represent the proverbial tip of the iceberg. The city’s Labor MP Sarah Champion believes as many as one million children may have been victimized, describing it as a “national disaster” that requires the establishment of a task force to deal with the “horror.””

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/250972/one-million-child-victims-muslim-rape-gangs-uk-arnold-ahlert
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January 30, 2016 12:59pm
Kea

AgentBallSack (1,478 comments) says:
January 30th, 2016 at 12:49 pm
I have never reported you Kea.

Good for you. I just reported Shawn. My first time ever.

Just a wee test to see if news about Muslim pedos gets people banned, like it does with Jewish stories about pedos.
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January 30, 2016 1:01pm
Shawn Herles

I’ve got two mice squeaking at me. Where are my boots?! 🙂
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January 30, 2016 1:01pm
starboard

@Shawn 12.27pm

Outstanding !!
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January 30, 2016 1:01pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
FYI – I have sent the following by email to John Minto and have tried to post this as a comment on The Daily Blog:

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/01/29/inclusive-leadership-needed-for-tppa-protests/

In any case if the movement to oppose the TPPA wants to avoid any possibility of a “law and order” issue around TPPA then it has a responsibility to ensure all groups are represented in decisions as to what form protest at the signing will take.
Under a policy of non-violent protest, which may include civil disobedience, the anti-TPPA movement as a whole should organise a colourful, loud, disciplined, creative, unified, political protest which ends outside Skycity.
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OPEN LETTER TO JOHN MINTO: 30 January 2016.

Back in 1981, along with you John Minto, I was named in Muldoon’s ‘SIS list’ because of my involvement in organising opposition to the 1981 Springbok Tour.

On this issue – as a ‘veteran protestor ‘ I TOTALLY disagree with you.

In my considered opinion, (and the opinion of a number of others – Sky City is a provocative Government-selected TRAP.

Why on earth would you encourage people to walk into a TRAP?

Along with others in the Auckland ‘It’s Our Future’ organisation, which has helped to organise thousands of New Zealanders on to the streets to oppose the TPPA, our position is clear and simple.

The protest that we have organised is starting at Aotea Square at 12 noon on Thursday 4 February 2016 and ending at Britomart (at 1pm).

This It’s Our Future organised march is NOT going to Sky City.

End of story.

Posters advertising this It’s Our Future organised march state :

“Join thousands of other kiwis for a BIG, colourful, and family-friendly march against the signing of the TPPA.”

When the It’s Our Future organised march finishes in Britomart at 1pm – I for one – will NOT be going to Sky City, and look forward to thousands of peaceful protestors doing the same.

You cannot have ‘inclusive leadership’, in my view, on any matter, where the purpose is diametrically opposed?

In December 2012, a peaceful protest against the TPPA held outside Sky City, was, in my view, effectively ‘hijacked’ by provocateurs, who, without any democratic mandate, arbitrarily changed the demand not to sign the TPPA – to ‘close down the
TPPA’.

Suddenly – all hell broke loose – and unsuspecting peaceful protestors, were put at risk.

That – in my view – was absolutely unacceptable.

It is equally unacceptable, in my view, for peaceful protestors to be put at risk outside Sky City on Thursday 4 February 2016, and to give this John Key led National Government to use any potential confrontation outside Sky City as a ‘law and order’ issue, as did Muldoon in 1981 over the Springbok Tour.

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 30, 2016 1:02pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles .

The Religious Sex Abuse Epidemic,

“The public reaction to the sex abuse scandals that have rocked the Vatican and Roman Catholic churches worldwide is causing rank-and-file Catholics to leave the church in droves. But concerned parents need to be wary about more than just the Catholic brand of clergy. The public rightly became disenchanted with an institution that claims moral authority while acting like those who it would condemn for their immoral behaviors.
The trend of less-than-holy behavior is not limited to the Catholic Church, although they have received the majority of the media’s attention and the public’s criticism. Recent cases such as that of Pastor Tony Alamo, who was convicted of abusing several young children and forced the government to remove children at his ministry from their negligent parents, shows that sexual abuse exists in different religious communities. It appears as though many institutions that have a tradition of powerful clerics that guide the community also suffer from allegations of child sexual abuse. This situation is often worsened when the religious institutions attempt to handle the matter internally by trying the offenders in a religious court instead of reporting the abuse to secular authorities…”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roy-speckhardt/religious-sex-abuse-epidemic_b_1008805.html

As you will see the issue of child sex abuse affects all three Abrahamic religions.
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January 30, 2016 1:05pm
Stars And Stripes

Muslims have nothing to offer western countries except breeding like flies and importing all their relatives to have a suck on the welfare as well then if it suits their agenda kill the host or rape them for their generosity.
Better to let them all kill each other in their own shithole countries as nobody cares if they do this as their lives are worthless anyway.

[DPF: Unacceptable – Strike 1]
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January 30, 2016 1:05pm
starboard

Penny, my brother was in the red squad ’81..he beat the living shit out of the worthless minto twice..outside Lancaster Park and outside Eden Park…*snigger snort*..

“Join thousands of other kiwis for a BIG, colourful, and family-friendly march”

Move the decimal point..hundreds, not thousands silly billy.
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January 30, 2016 1:08pm
Kea

Stars And Stripes, do you agree with Shawn that Germany should remove all those non-Whites who are from Middle Eastern religious cults, as they ” have nothing to offer western countries except breeding like flies” and “their lives are worthless anyway.” ?

A simple yes or no will do thanks.
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January 30, 2016 1:11pm
Shawn Herles

“Stars And Stripes, do you agree with Shawn that Germany should remove all those non-Whites who are from Middle Eastern religious cults”

Just the Muslims. Arab Christians are fine. They don’t go around forming rape gangs and attacking European women.
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January 30, 2016 1:13pm
Salacious Crumb

Hmmmmm see this Ms Bright?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11581947

That’s what a Mayoral candidate actually looks and sounds like and how about this; she actually talks about Auckland issues, not ones involving central government.

By the way is there an apology to Keeping Stock coming and what about those questions Agent Ballsack posed regarding the missing money from the Occupy account?
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January 30, 2016 1:14pm
Shawn Herles

Sexual Jihad by Muslim Refugees in Germany

“Gone are the days of the German oompah bands. This rapid jihad that is sweeping Germany for years and recently accentuated by massive influx of Muslim asylum seekers and illegal infiltrators from the Middle East and North Africa by Chancellor Angela Merkel’s open door policies, culminated on New Years Eve in Cologne, Hamburg and Stuttgart in Taharrush – an Arabic phenomenon whereby women are encircled by groups of men and sexually harassed, assaulted, groped, raped.

To understand Taharrush, view this July 1 2013 horrifying You Tube video of a 22 year old Dutch journalist being raped in Egypt:”

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/138-jake-neuman/1711-sexual-jihad-by-muslim-refugees-in-germany.html
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January 30, 2016 1:17pm
wikiriwhis business

Malcolm Urlich Forecasts!!!!
Fonterra make out that they can successfully predict the future?! Somebody’s manipulating the free market, supply and demand system to there advantage?! While Fonterra CEO salaries increase by 10% per year! They don’t forecast CEO salaries dropping either only increasing….pathetic!!!!
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January 30, 2016 1:23pm
RF

Interesting that the left are intent on marching against anything that John Key supports. They shreak and howl that it’s their right to march in protest.

It’s ironic that the left were the ones that protested, spitting and throwing paint at our brave soldiers when they were trying to march through our cities after returning from Vietnam.

But then rules of decency and fair game do not apply to these tossers. What a sad lot they are with their pathetic conspiracy comments in the labour rag, the standard.
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January 30, 2016 1:25pm
Kea

Germany can not implement sensible controls against Muslim immigrants because of hysteria over the controls they attempted against Jewish immigrants during war time.

Many of the comments above would see you locked up in Germany.
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January 30, 2016 1:26pm
Shawn Herles

Rotherham: The Perfect Storm

A report on Muslim grooming gangs

” What has been learned from this report is that few of the above problems have actually been addressed in the wake of the Rotherham report, or other high-profile “grooming” criminal trials. The public sector is still not keeping separate records or data on the sexual abuse and rape of girls in its charge. To even speak of this issue causes a damaging fear among workers in social services and police because the fear of racism accusations has not dissipated one iota.

Finally, what we know for certain is that any religiously-inspired attitudes towards women will not be discussed – this too has not changed one iota. We still refuse to fully acknowledge the hatred for white people, and white women in particular, that exists within the homes of some ethnic minority homes throughout the West. We are encouraging such disdain with our laws when we punish white people far more severely than we do non-whites in our courts.

The change needed is a complete cultural shift away from racial division and double standards to real justice – where a person is held responsible for their crimes irrespective of their skin colour or that of their victims. What is needed is an honest look at what drives attitudes towards women, and women’s sexuality, within minority communities and what impact this is having. We must be honest and brave and confront these problems for the sake of all concerned. We need accurate and detailed recording of these crimes and investigation in to any emerging patterns.

Finally, we need to look with objectivity at the attitudes common in countries to which we open our borders. We have to ask whether a society in which sharia law, and all that it entails, is supported by the majority, can fit easily in to a secular Western democracy. We have to ask what problems this brings, and more importantly, we must prioritise the best interests of the people of Britain. The question that must be answered, but is not yet being asked is this: is it in the best interests of the people of Britain (particularly its women) to open our borders to countries which stone rape victims, and kill people for blasphemy? I would submit that it most certainly is not, as Rotherham and elsewhere have shown.”

http://www.shariawatch.org.uk/articles/rotherham-perfect-storm
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January 30, 2016 1:27pm
Jack5

Kea is back!

How long will she last before DPF gives her the boot again?

I reckon she’ll be gone by the end of next weekend.

In the meantime, Kea will greatly enliven General Debate.
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January 30, 2016 1:28pm
Stars And Stripes

Kea- if Germany choose to do that if it helps to sort out the mess they are in it’s fine by me.
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January 30, 2016 1:30pm
Shawn Herles

Muslim Migrant Violence in Australia and Europe 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0jbLDgxzlw
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January 30, 2016 1:31pm
wikiriwhis business

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith-accused-of-writing-blank-cheque-to-lawyers-to-defend-bedroom-tax-in-court-a6838766.html

What’s happening in the UK is conspiracy against humanity

People are dying being sanctioned and denied income in employment and state assistance
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January 30, 2016 1:33pm
Shawn Herles

Czech President Says Muslim Are Not Civilized Enough For Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_wv-ZAlrfs
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January 30, 2016 1:34pm
Shawn Herles

The Most Disturbing Video on the Islamic Invasion of Europe You’ll Ever See

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPKqM-TV2i8
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January 30, 2016 1:36pm
waikatosinger

About the Syrian refugees – there are many things I would like to know about them which the media will almost certainly not tell us because it isn’t PC to even ask these things. As we are seeing in Europe not all refugees are desirable. So did we get good ones? Having them selected by the UNHCR is better than accepting the aggressive mob who swarm a border, but nevertheless.

1. What proportion are women and children. How many single young men did we get. Those causing trouble in Europe are mostly the single young men.
2. How many are actually from Syria. Many of those causing problems in Europe seem to be from Pakistan and North Africa
3. What is the religious breakdown of the migrants. The Christians are the ones in most dire need of refuge. If there are no Christians in the group I would want to know why. There have been rumours that Christians have been scared to go near the UNHCR run refugee camps in Turkey because of violence against them by Muslims.
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January 30, 2016 1:38pm
sam green

Hateman strikes – right on time.
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January 30, 2016 1:42pm
twofish

PENNY BRIGHT –

The protest that we have organised is starting at Aotea Square at 12 noon on Thursday 4 February 2016 and ending at Britomart (at 1pm).
This It’s Our Future organised march is NOT going to Sky City.
End of story.

JOHN MINTO –

It’s been deeply disappointing to read in the past week a mixture of unhelpful commentary and half-baked drivel about protest against the TPPA signing ceremony at Auckland’s Skycity next week […]

Under a policy of non-violent protest, which may include civil disobedience, the anti-TPPA movement as a whole should organise a colourful, loud, disciplined, creative, unified, political protest which ends outside Skycity.

Leaving a mainly younger crowd (who will be at Skycity anyway) un-included is irresponsible and unsustainable. It will divide the movement and risk the very worst political outcome the organisers seem to want to avoid.

IT’S OUR FUTURE seems about as sure of itself as the Labour caucus.
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January 30, 2016 1:42pm
Griff

Grief and jackoff eight days
Agent nutbag4
Spawn less than 1
Reds under the bed 9

Any more punters willing to give a life expectancy for the parrot?
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January 30, 2016 1:45pm
All_on_Red

Hi Kea
Welcome back.
(puts popcorn in the microwave)
9 days?
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January 30, 2016 1:45pm
Kea

Griff, I invite you to see what I have been banned for and compare with Spawn’s tirades above. If I wrote the same posts but replaced Muslim with Jew, imagine …

I am actually against the West taking refugees and cultural dilution generally. But the stuff on here would make a Nazi era propaganda officer blush.
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January 30, 2016 1:50pm
Shawn Herles

“Spawn less than 1”

That’s ‘His Imperial Dark Majesty, Lord Spawn’ thank you! 😉
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January 30, 2016 1:51pm
CrazyIvan

Penny to John Minto at 1:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA
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January 30, 2016 1:53pm
Shawn Herles

After some months of observing stephiegirl I have begun to seriously think that the government should classify political correctness as a Class A drug, due to it’s mind and reality altering effects.

I mean, are PC folks safe to drive? 🙂
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January 30, 2016 1:56pm
Kea

I THINK WE NEED TO BAN ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS FROM NZ UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON ❗
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January 30, 2016 1:57pm
Manolo

Yoza and stephieboy’s heroes: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423590/The-London-newly-weds-chilling-links-migrant-anarchy-Calais-young-couple-spent-honeymoon-Jungle-Camp-truth-hardline-political-activity.html

Syed Bokhari and his bride Mona Dohle were pictured before they left to spend their honeymoon visiting migrants at the squalid ‘Jungle’ camp at Calais last year. They were portrayed in the Communist newspaper Morning Star as an ordinary West London couple who had suddenly been inspired to make the humanitarian trip.

The newly-weds, both 28, said they were proud of setting up an organisation, London2Calais, to collect food and clothes for migrants from the Middle East and Africa who wait in the French port to slip illegally into UK-bound lorries and trains.
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January 30, 2016 1:59pm
Shawn Herles

Is it just me, or has Kea’s trolling become kinda weak and pathetic? I mean, it never rose above the level of drooling imbecile anyway, but it just seems even more weak, desperate, and sad than usual.

Did kea have a wee trip to the vet while he was away? 🙂
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January 30, 2016 2:01pm
Manolo

Multiculturalism as interpreted by lawful beasts from Somalia:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423246/Three-Somali-men-gang-raped-white-16-year-old-girl-bathroom-hotel-stayed-celebrate-Eid-jailed-30-years.html
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January 30, 2016 2:06pm
holysheet

starboard (4,054 comments) says:
January 30th, 2016 at 12:57 pm

What sort of scum assaults and stomps on a 75 year old woman..in a rest home. Rangi Joseph Harris does..another violent maori.
Dirty, filthy, low life piece of shit..that’s what you are rangi.

Waiting for winston and davis to come out in support for the piece of shit. If they are consistant then they should.
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January 30, 2016 2:07pm
Manolo

kea’s visit is a fleeting one. He’ll be taking a forced vacation in a matter of ~~weeks~~ days. 🙂
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January 30, 2016 2:07pm
Kea

Shawn is reduced to regurgitating the propaganda of his NAZI Catholic friends and simply replacing “Jews” with “Muslims”.

This requires a bit more work than simply repeating verbatim NAZI views on the previous threat to the West from “communists”. This is about the level of intellect we can expect from those who’s world view is informed by the ramblings of a bronze age Middle Eastern tribal cult.
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January 30, 2016 2:09pm
Manolo

And the liar Clinton continues to insist there is nothing confidential in her emails:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35446455

Hillary Clinton’s unsecured home server contained more than a dozen emails deemed “top secret”- one of the highest levels of classification in the US government, the White House has said.

State Department spokesman John Kirby said the documents were not marked classified at the time they were sent. Mrs Clinton’s use of a personal email as secretary of state has become an issue in her presidential campaign.

Messages were marked “top secret” because they would cause “exceptionally grave” damage to national security if disclosed, the State Department said.
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January 30, 2016 2:10pm
Kea

“What sort of scum assaults and stomps on a 75 year old woman..in a rest home. Rangi Joseph Harris does..another violent maori.
Dirty, filthy, low life piece of shit..that’s what you are rangi.”

I wonder what religion he was ?

I am certain he is Christian. We have to stop these people immigrating until we can figure out what is going on ❗
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January 30, 2016 2:12pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The organising group for the PEACEFUL protest against the TPPA, which is starting at 12 noon on Thursday 4 February 2016, marching up Queen Street to Britomart, and finishing at 1pm, is VERY clear.

We are NOT going to Sky City – end of story.

Why on earth, in my view, would anyone want to lead peaceful protestors into a provocative ‘corporate trap’?

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 30, 2016 2:16pm
Kea

Manolo, Hillary probably has – post traumatic stress disorder – from her visit to Bosnia. She has been through a lot 🙂

Trump is terrible and Hillary is worse. The only one who is any good is Bernie Sanders.
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January 30, 2016 2:18pm
Kea

Penny, do you seriously think a few Key-hating perpetual malcontents making a fuss in the street, well away from the venue, is going to stop the signing at this late stage ? You are dreaming.

I have told you this before, you need to get a boyfriend and stop all this silly nonsense 🙂
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January 30, 2016 2:24pm
Manolo

Crazy Cramer on oil prices: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/25/cramer-where-oil-will-bottom-in-2016.html
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January 30, 2016 2:27pm
KevinH

errr…. march up Queen Street ? you mean down Queen Street don’t you. Last time I looked Britomart was down the bottom of town , downhill from the Town Hall.
Clear enough?
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January 30, 2016 2:28pm
Captain Mainwaring

“marching UP Queen Street to Britomart”.

The bright screeching pennybludger is still geographically confused.

So, as I understand it there are two leaders of this march, right? Some will follow Penny to Britomart and some will follow mad Minto to Sky City. My money is on Penny’s crowd, as lefty losers are too lazy to walk uphill.
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January 30, 2016 2:34pm
Hajji

The unintended consequence of giving white women the vote. Blame your dads and suck it up (the sins of the fathers etc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPKqM-TV2i8&feature=youtu.be
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January 30, 2016 2:37pm
Awww C-mon

Kea’s are my favourite native bird, intelligent and fun while being complete bogans and breaking shit everywhere they go.

Nice to see you back Kea.
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January 30, 2016 2:38pm
KevinH

By the way Britomart is a transport hub for buses and trains, AT and AC would take a dim view of any activity that prevented commuters from going about their normal legal business.
QE2 Square is no longer a public space , it was sold to Precinct Properties last year so permission will be required to use that space.
Wonder who hasn’t done their homework.
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January 30, 2016 2:39pm
Kea

“lefty losers”

Captain Mainwaring , like Donald Trump ?

So, what does Trump think of the TPP?

Not much.

“The new trade deal is a disaster,” he told the South Carolina Freedom Summit in Greenville, South Carolina in May.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/what-donald-trump-thinks-tpp
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January 30, 2016 2:39pm
KevinH

Federal Street is usually closed to vehicular traffic for important events, pedestrians will only have access if they are staying at Skycity or Skycity Grand or are employees or contractors to Skycity with appropriate identification. Otherwise people with no business in that area will be diverted around Albert Street and Victoria Street,for those seeking access to Skytower they will be able to enter via Victoria Street.
Neither Albert or Victoria Streets can be closed off to traffic because Queen Street will be closed and traffic will need to be diverted through there.
Hobson Street is one way and is the main arterial route exiting downtown so it won’t be possible to close that either without considerable disruption to the inner city area.
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January 30, 2016 2:49pm
sooty

Miss Bright. I don’t think they care what your view is. They are going to hang a left turn to go to Sky City and you will be marching to Britomart with all your friends. All three of them!
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