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itstricky

They only grabbed him because he is murri..wait for the cries of racism…

It kind of depends whether your internal xenophobic stereotype covers Cook Islands Maori as well as New Zealand Maori, starboard. Does it?
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January 22, 2016 5:30pm
thedavincimode

I was answering Ballsack’s question itstricky. No need to apologise though; I appreciate that you wouldn’t have realised that.
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January 22, 2016 5:31pm
Kimbo

@ thedavincimode

cmm

I agree. Knowledge/education has never been more accessible with the arrival of the internet and kindle. Anyone wanting to learn can do so now far easier than 20, 30, + years ago. It could be argued that (using your example of Ancient Greek history) we should retain institutional academic capacity in some of these more remote pursuits, but then Oz is just over the ditch and international travel is no longer the barrier it used to be. If some kid wants to travel from the SI to Victoria uni to attend a course in feminist bollocks or nasal inhalation therapy, let them go across the ditch. In fact, I have plenty of anecdotal knowledge of Kiwi kids going or contemplating going to Oz universities (although not for the foregoing reason, but rather because our institutions are perceived as crap). It isn’t a big deal. Until Massey started its vet school 50 or so years ago, anyone wanting to be a Vet had to go to Oz to study. That in a country entirely dependent upon primary agriculture.

There is no excuse for kids to be borrowing up large to study Pol Studies so they can tread the footsteps of goof et al and spend the entirety of the productive lives on the public tit.

I wonder however, whether there is enough input into cost/benefit of tertiary education to ensure kids are aware of the financial implications of career choices and that they don’t just drift off into some pointless degree and incur a mountain of debt because they can’t think of anything else to do and just don’t want to feel left out. If they’re genuinely interested, let them stuff off to Oz or get a real job or trade and learn in leisure time buying the texts on Kindle for $2 a pop.

Umm, did you not know education is now one of our primary export earners?! No matter. We have an economic and intellectual genius like you to decide we should not only export our brightest minds to Australia, but also allow the Aussies free rein to corner the Asian student education market. And all to massage the anti-intellectual, anti-education Kiwi no 8 fencing-wire-is-all-you-need prejudice. Brilliant!
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January 22, 2016 5:35pm
itstricky

I was answering Ballsack’s question itstricky.

It’s not like Scott couldn’t read what you wrote. What condescending nonsense.
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January 22, 2016 5:37pm
Nostradamus

Scott Chris:

Did you read the paste Nostradamus?

Actually, yes, I’ve arrived late to this thread and I clicked on Penny’s comment and your comment (both hidden due to a low comment rating) to read them.

Penny said:

Here you go Kiwiblog Kindergarten Kids!
Down tick away!

Then she copied-and-pasted the Kiwiblog comments policy in full.

And then you copied-and-pasted Penny’s comment in full.

So, between Penny’s comment and your comment, I’m not sure what either of you was trying to achieve.
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January 22, 2016 5:38pm
thedavincimode

Goodoh Kimbo. You just send your kids off to study Pol Studies, Communications and Women’s stuff so that Engineering and Medical students pay extra fees.

As to sending off the brightest; well some of them are going already. But not to study nasal inhalation therapy. What does that tell you?
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January 22, 2016 5:40pm
waikatogirl

KS
I’m sure he could AFFORD his financial obligations to the taxpayer. But he had such a bad case of Entitleitis that he simply chose not to meet those obligations. I hope a couple of nights in a cold cell eating prison tucker has helped readjust his attitude.
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He told Duncan Garner that he was waiting until he became prime minister of The Cooks so he would have the $100,000K salary to pay!
WTF!

Surely he is grasping at straws with that as an excuse! I am guessing the IRD won’t wait until we all achieve our financial dream before paying our taxes!!
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January 22, 2016 5:40pm
Awww C-mon

Scott “Did you read the paste Nostradamus? I just copied and scrolled past”

Nostra is not as thick as pig shit unlike a few others….
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January 22, 2016 5:40pm
thedavincimode

itsticky

An exclamation mark after “nonsense” and you would have really nailed it.
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January 22, 2016 5:44pm
Scott Chris

Nostradamus (3,796 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2016 at 5:38 pm

So, between Penny’s comment and your comment, I’m not sure what either of you was trying to achieve.

Well for my part I was standing up for Penny’s right to be scrolled past without being censored by the mob.

And yes I am framing that answer in a particular way but I think my subtextual objective is obvious.
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January 22, 2016 5:44pm
starboard

They are all thieves itsdrippy in one way or another..you know it and I know it..
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January 22, 2016 5:45pm
Nostradamus

Scott Chris:

Well for my part I was standing up for Penny’s right to be scrolled past without being censored by the mob.

The key word there is “censored”.

I don’t think Penny is being censored – I was able to read her comment after all.

It seems, as of yesterday, that there’s a coordinated effort to downvote Penny’s comments. I can see why you (and others like Andrei) disagree with that – but, ultimately, aren’t those people exercising a voting feature that DPF has decided to include in Kiwiblog?
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January 22, 2016 5:46pm
Kimbo

@ thedavincimode

Goodoh Kimbo. You just send your kids off to study Pol Studies, Communications and Women’s stuff so that Engineering and Medical students pay extra fees.

As to sending off the brightest; well some of them are going already. But not to study nasal inhalation therapy. What does that tell you?

Tell you what, thedavincimode, let’s take this out of the realm of prejudice and bring some intellectual rigour to the discussion: Care to tell me if there actually is indeed a course in nasal inhalation therapy in the NZ tertiary education curriculum…and the employment rate of their graduates?

Also, good on the engineering and med graduates…but if that is all we have…what academic and intellectual tests do we have to decide how their expertise is to be best utilised? But you are no doubt right – we can leave it up to your implied “common sense” (despite it seldom being as “common” or even “sense” as those who assert to possess it assume).

With straw man arguments like you just posted, who the fuck needs troublesome liberal arts graduates to call ‘bullshit’ when all it seems you want to do is engage in a public intellectual wank-session?
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January 22, 2016 5:48pm
KevinH

Sue Henry is using emotive, false, and misleading language in her press release regarding state housing tenants being moved on from their long term tenancies.
For instance her use of the phrase “economic cleansing” portrays tenants as victims of a diabolical economic plot, where as Minister Paula Bennet has gone to great lengths to offer these tenants options such as asistance to relocate so that the run down properties of Glen Innes and Panmure can be redeveloped with the government and Housing New Zealand being the primary benefactors.
What Sue Henry and her cohorts fail to comprehend is that providing social housing is an expensive exercise that other taxpayers have to finance. It is not unrealistic for the government to focus on targeting the most at need families for state housing assistance instead of providing long term accomodation for people who no longer qualify for state assistance, for instance single people living in a three bedroom house and others who with government subsidies such as working for families and the accomodation benefit could move to private providers.
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January 22, 2016 5:48pm
starboard

“Fuck off you witless twat. Friendly enough for ya bitch?”

You’re an arsewipe scottchris..fuck I dislike you..much
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January 22, 2016 5:48pm
thedavincimode

The furs’ gonna fly when Johnboy finds out Scotty has the hots for his waterwoman. Mainly Scotty’s fur I expect.
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January 22, 2016 5:50pm
itstricky

An exclamation mark after “nonsense” and you would have really nailed it.

I’ll take that as agreement, then
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January 22, 2016 5:52pm
notrotsky

It would be appropriate if Scott had a thing for the waterwoman as he appears to be wetter than a wet thing living at the bottom of a lake during the monsoon.
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January 22, 2016 5:53pm
thedavincimode

Deary me Kimbo. You seem very wound up.

Let me put it this way. What is the point of some kid borrowing $50 k or whatever to study “Women’s Affairs”. What is the point of the taxpayer carrying the finding cost?

As to prejudice, well that’s your spin but maybe you should look in the mirror before you get so hot and bothered.
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January 22, 2016 5:55pm
thedavincimode

itsticky

By all means do so if it will make your Friday night. My gift to you.
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January 22, 2016 5:57pm
Dave_1924

Time to book the flights to be in Auckland on 4 Feb. Should be damn entertaining..
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January 22, 2016 5:57pm
Nostradamus

I see that some people are downvoting my comments – as is their right.

Presumably those same people agree that other Kiwiblog readers have the right to downvote Penny’s comments – or is the irony of that contradiction lost on them?
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January 22, 2016 5:59pm
notrotsky

Bring your gas mask Dave, the stink of cats pee and blue stilton from the protestors will be overwhelming.
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January 22, 2016 5:59pm
wiseowl

So paying a small portion of a student loan will set a precedent.

Any student caught now can use the same argument as the Cook Island dude .

Didn’t know,have five kids,thought I’d earn more.
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January 22, 2016 6:01pm
itstricky

Presumably those same people agree that other Kiwiblog readers have the right to downvote Penny’s comments – or is the irony of that contradiction lost on them?

If there were a co-oridinated effort to hide your posts with downticks it would be different, and not a contradiction. Most of the 30 would wahahahahahaha on about “freedom of speech” or some such thing, maybe you would too.
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January 22, 2016 6:08pm
AgentBallSack

Essentially Penny is getting what she deserves. And if it takes some tough love to get her to start acting like a member of this community instead of some self perceived sheriff of morals, well done I say.
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January 22, 2016 6:15pm
notrotsky

Religion of peace strikes again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3408033/Muslim-cleric-says-Cologne-sex-attacks-victims-fault-wore-PERFUME.html
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January 22, 2016 6:21pm
KevinH

@Agent
The old trout is feeling the heat, she can’t take the criticism. No doubt she is conniving to take the site down by cutting and pasting the t/c’s.
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January 22, 2016 6:21pm
Kimbo

@ thedavincimode

Deary me Kimbo. You seem very wound up.

Let me put it this way. What is the point of some kid borrowing $50 k or whatever to study “Women’s Affairs”. What is the point of the taxpayer carrying the finding cost?

As to prejudice, well that’s your spin but maybe you should look in the mirror before you get so hot and bothered.

No, not hot and bothered. Just amused at you parading your willful prejudices masquerading as an intellectual virtue. And I note you’ve dodged the question I put to you regarding nasal inhalation therapy. Too difficult was it? And you have the cheek to accuse others of lack of intellectual substance.

Tell you what – even though you don’t deserve it, I’ll answer your “Women’s Affairs” question (is usually called “Women’s Studies”, btw, but who the fuck wants to let facts get in the way of your thought processes?)

Women’s Studies teaches critical thinking. It is a discipline that takes you out of your “accepted and assumed” perspectives and truths of how our society is ordered and what is good and right, and provides an alternate scenario and means of action.

Personally, having never studied it directly (but having been made aware of it through knowledge of Hegelian dialectics and Marxism in the course of my formal studies), I think it is of limited value in and of itself as a solution-for-life. Indeed, those who bother to read my ramblings in this forum know I have little time for dialectics of any form, be it Marxism, feminism, or ethnic and LGBT studies. Nonetheless, no knowledge need ever be wasted: Women’s Studies can be a useful tool, that, in conjunction with other theoretical perspectives – postivism, post-positivism, post-modernism etc – are all useful to escape the “tyranny of the present”.

It is the same reason we have history and other languages in a good and well-rounded curriculum. They give us resources to step out of ourselves, and place tests on our own thoughts and assumptions (refer to my earlier comment re “willful prejudices masquerading as an intellectual virtue”. Because, thedavincimode (and I’m not sure if you’ve ever contemplated the possibility), the most dangerous ideas are those which we assume and are certain are true…yet we have no real means of testing if that is really the case.

And as that skill is priceless, thedavincimode, I’d suggest $50k is a bargain if you use it well. But then with many Kiwis, who have the limited imagination and perspective that an education is only “useful” if it functions like a spade to produce an absolutely quantifiable economic payoff, that may be a step too far.

But then life is full of people who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing…
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January 22, 2016 6:22pm
Longknives

As someone who worked his arse off for years paying off a substantial Student Loan I just wanted to punch that fat,smirking prick on the news tonight who skipped the Country to default (and is now using the excuse of kids and a mortgage)..

If a ‘Givealittle’ Page appears for this dropkick I will just about go Postal.
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January 22, 2016 6:22pm
notrotsky

@ longknives. I’d like to set the hounds on him yet if I did it would be me that was arrested and they call NZ a democracy pfffft limp wristed bunch of namby pambies they’ve turned the country into makes me sick…..ps hic !
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January 22, 2016 6:27pm
Captain Mainwaring

Scott Chris.
Like others have pointed out, you’re behaving like a complete twat. But as the rules won’t allow me to say that you are one, I won’t.
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January 22, 2016 6:31pm
stephieboy

from Vice President Sarah Palin’s despatches ,

“..Veterans also took issue with Palin’s glib remarks. Paul Rieckhoff is the founder and CEO of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), an organization that provides returning soldiers with educational, legal, health, and financial support.

“It’s not President Obama’s fault that Sarah Palin’s son has PTSD,” Rieckhoff told NBC News. “PTSD is a very serious problem, a complicated mental health injury and I would be extremely reluctant to blame any one person in particular.” Rieckhoff expressed his concern that Palin was minimizing PTSD, by turning it into a “chew toy in a political campaign.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/vets-white-house-push-back-on -palin-dont-blame-obama-for-your-sons-ptsd/

Continuing her usual imbecilic form !
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January 22, 2016 6:33pm
Nostradamus

itstricky:

If there were a co-oridinated effort to hide your posts with downticks it would be different, and not a contradiction. Most of the 30 would wahahahahahaha on about “freedom of speech” or some such thing, maybe you would too.

Let’s try a thought experiment. Suppose that someone says: “Fuck off you witless twat. Friendly enough for ya bitch?”. And five Kiwiblog readers click on the “Report abusive comment” button. The abusive comment disappears from view. Is that “censorship” based on your understanding of the word?

Before you answesr that question, itstricky, here’s something to consider. DPF explained how he wants the “Report abusive comment” feature to work in this blog post:

In the past, you needed to e-mail me to report comments that may fall outside the Kiwiblog’s Comments Policy. Now there is a plugin which means you can just click on a link to report a comment.

If 5 people report a comment, it will go into moderation to be reviewed.

Note that this feature should not be used on comments just because you disagree with them. If you continually report comments that are not abusive or trolling, then I’ll suspend your account. The up and down vote buttons are what you use for agreeing or disagreeing with a comment. This feature is for comments that are highly abusive.

So coming back to my question, if five people click on the “Report abusive comment” button and the comment disappears from view, is that “censorship” based on your understanding of the word?
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January 22, 2016 6:36pm
waikatogirl

The Ministry for Women pay women employees 37% more than men in the department.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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January 22, 2016 6:37pm
Kimbo

@ thedavincimode

No matter what make up of a liberal arts/humanities degree (history, Women’s Studies, literature), the primary aim is to produce in the student

1. formal analytical skills,
2. and critical judgement to a quantifiable standard,
3. so that the graduate is enabled to become a “learner for life”.

If it doesn’t produce that, then I’d suggest you have a problem with

a. the student
b. or the tertiary education provider
c. or both
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January 22, 2016 6:37pm
holysheet

Itstricky et al. are upset that we are using a right provided by DPF, namely the downtck, to show our displeasure at PWB and her asinine posts.
There is no co-ordinated effort, no ganging up on her, no name calling. All we are doing is making a peaceful protest as is our right.
You could say we have taken a leaf out of PWB’s book, (in deciding to not pay her rates) and will continue doing so, until the quality of her posts improves and she actually answers questions and engages in meaningful debate.

Inaugural K-K-K member 2016
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January 22, 2016 6:38pm
Griff

You guys should learn some basics phyc theory.
If you really want her to Foxtrot Oscar just totally ignore her.
She graves recognition and lots of down ticks is attention from us. The attention she is receiving just reinforces her motivation for being here .
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January 22, 2016 6:40pm
itstricky

the graduate is enabled to become a “learner for life”.

That was far too deep for a target audience who thinks it’s fun to bait someone about having no friends.
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January 22, 2016 6:40pm
SGA

holysheet at 6:38 pm

There is no co-ordinated effort, no ganging up on her, no name calling.

While I wouldn’t call what’s going on censorship, the Kiwiblog that I read has had plenty of all those things. Do you receive some sort of special edition?
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January 22, 2016 6:42pm
itstricky

Itstricky et al. are upset that we are using a right provided by DPF

I’m not upset, I couldn’t give two craps. A few days back I asked why you didn’t all just ignore her. I’m mearly commenting on the large scale hypocrisy of deliberately hiding someone else’s posts when, no doubt, out of that 30+ – 90% of them would be posters who go on about “freedom of speech” for their favourite subject.

By all means continue on being hypocritical high school pranksters. Resume duty.
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January 22, 2016 6:45pm
itstricky

So coming back to my question, if five people click on the “Report abusive comment” button and the comment disappears from view, is that “censorship” based on your understanding of the word?

It is moderated by a third party and decided upon. I doubt DPF, or whomever was moderator, would remove Penny’s non-offensive comments if it was done in that fashion. The comments of Penny’s that you are deliberately conspiring to hide are not “highly offensive” as dictated in the “rules” and it’s therefore an abuse of that function.

But, whatever, I don’t read Penny’s comments if you want to pointing at technicalities of rules whilst simultaenously knowing that you’re being just a tad immature, please carry on. I’m sure she will complain to the moderator soon enough.
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January 22, 2016 6:50pm
notrotsky

itstricky just for you…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeNBspJGVko
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January 22, 2016 6:53pm
Nostradamus

itstricky:

… The comments of Penny’s that you are deliberately conspiring to hide are not “highly offensive” as dictated in the “rules” and it’s therefore an abuse of that function. … if you want to pointing at technicalities of rules whilst simultaenously knowing that you’re being just a tad immature, please carry on. …

It’s interesting that you’re lumping me into the group of so-called Kiwiblog Kindergarten Kids.

My thought experiment – in case you missed it – was based on an abusive comment: “Fuck off you witless twat. Friendly enough for ya bitch?”. Well, presumably you agree that was an abusive comment? I was interested in whether you think the use of the “Report abusive comment” button in relation to that comment is censorship.

But you seem more interested in labelling my behaviour, so I suspect I’m wasting my time in continuing this discussion with you. As you said, very politely too, please carry on!
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January 22, 2016 6:59pm
itstricky

It’s interesting that you’re lumping me into the group of so-called Kiwiblog Kindergarten Kids.

OK, sorry about that. You’re right and I have missed that.

It’s the “thought experiment” thing that got me. I incorrectly assumed you were disagreeing, not posing a question.

I think that’s an abusive comment based simply on its language but it’s not unwarranted given “trolling for bait” bull comment that preceeded it.
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January 22, 2016 7:09pm
Nostradamus

itstricky:

OK, sorry about that.

No worries – let’s put it down to a misunderstanding between us and move on.

Just for the record, though, I haven’t (as far as I’m aware) encouraged others to downtick Penny’s comments or expressly associated myself with a coordinated downticking exercise. My personal view is that each of us are – hopefully – intelligent enough to decide for ourselves whether we want to uptick or downtick comments.
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January 22, 2016 7:14pm
AgentBallSack

Guppy is spanking them tonight. 35 off 12
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January 22, 2016 7:15pm
nasska

itstricky

Worth considering what DPF intended by:

….”The up and down vote buttons are what you use for agreeing or disagreeing with a comment”…..

If so then as just about everyone disagrees with Penny’s gibberish then it would seem that the function is being used as intended.

As an aside I think DPF introduced the app to reduce the flame wars that used to erupt on this forum. Prior to the up/down tick the only way to express dissent was via a comment in reply.

Trust me……most of them were ‘spirited’ to say the least. 🙂
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January 22, 2016 7:15pm
Nostradamus

AgentBallSack:

Guppy is spanking them tonight

That comment – for those who aren’t in the know – could be seriously misunderstood!
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January 22, 2016 7:17pm
itstricky

If so then as just about everyone disagrees with Penny’s gibberish then it would seem that the function is being used as intended.

This wasn’t individuals expressing their own desire to remove an offensive comment, however, it was co-ordinated. That’s different, I think. Especially when most of the posters here wax on about “co-ordinated attacks on our freedom of speech”

As an aside I think DPF introduced the app to reduce the flame wars that used to erupt on this forum.

In that case, maybe it is being used for its intended purpose.

Phew, I’m really really past caring about Penny’s Posts now. Must be something better to do. Cake Tin it is.
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January 22, 2016 7:26pm
itstricky

My personal view is that each of us are – hopefully – intelligent enough to decide for ourselves whether we want to uptick or downtick comments.

I would agree with that. As per comment to nasska above.
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January 22, 2016 7:27pm
Manolo

Money talks: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-22/google-paid-apple-1-billion-to-keep-search-bar-on-iphone
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January 22, 2016 7:39pm
Manolo

Mamma Meekel’s Germany is reviewing its position:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12114174/Germany-delivers-further-blow-to-EUs-Schengen-passport-free-zone.html

Germany’s interior minister said on Thursday that he could see no end to the temporary border checks with Austria to regulate the flow of asylum seekers, delivering a further blow to Europe’s passport-free zone.

“I don’t foresee a moment when we can end it,” Mr de Maiziere said of the border controls, as a new surge of migrants is expected to enter Europe through Turkey and Greece in the next few weeks.

Twelve migrants drowned on Thursday after a boat taking them to the Greek islands capsized in rough weather.
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January 22, 2016 7:47pm
Captain Mainwaring

BallSack.
Your Guppy comment was a bit premature.
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January 22, 2016 7:54pm
Aliog

Well, as a late-comer to GD today, all I can say is that it was much more enjoyable without having to even scroll past PWD. But I gave them another downtick as I went past just for good measure.
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January 22, 2016 8:22pm
notrotsky

@ ALIOG

PBIAFL that is all !
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January 22, 2016 8:40pm
stigie

196 A good score for the Pakis to try and chase down ?
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January 22, 2016 8:42pm
Manolo

The ungrateful bastards:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3410067/Merkel-s-migrant-backlash-refugees-turn-German-leader-sue-government-taking-long-process-asylum-claims.html

Meanwhile, indignant refugees in Germany are suing Angela Merkel’s government, claiming it is taking too long to process their asylum applications.

More than 200 migrants in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia have launched a lawsuit against the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees because they have been waiting over a year for a decision on whether they can stay in Germany.
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January 22, 2016 8:43pm
AgentBallSack

Sue Bradford as childrens commissioner? About as intelligent as Dame Snoozen Devoid as race relations commissioner. Imagine the negative soundbites emanating from her.
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January 22, 2016 8:56pm
AgentBallSack

196 should be defendable. Guppy put us in the driving seat. Please God, strike down Ross Taylor. (Nothing fatal, just cock rot which makes it uncomfortable to run. Or Pukana)
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January 22, 2016 8:57pm
AgentBallSack

half nelson…. 55/5 or is that five fifths of fuck all?
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January 22, 2016 9:29pm
Captain Mainwaring

Defendable it most certainly was. Brilliant bowling (especially Elliot) and fielding.
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January 22, 2016 10:22pm
stigie

Dont forget Milne Captain, 3 wickets for 8 runs ? Elliot brilliant !~
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January 22, 2016 10:26pm
Left Right and Centre

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Leyton Hewitt

Bad rubbish ? Ouch. Man – he must’ve done some nasty shit for someone to think that.

I never watch tennis anymore. Not since the Borg/Connors/McEnroe era. When they switched to big rackets all the drama and excitement went out of the sport.

The drama went out of the sport ? Did it ? I disagree. Shit that was a long time ago. Borg gave up around 1981 – when Federer was born. Long time.

However, I was in the gym and Leighton Hewitt’s over the top celebrations caught my eye on Sky. I know enough about tennis to know the Australian Open happens in January so I thought to myself …….
“Ah well, it’s his last year so I guess you can’t begrudge him getting excited if he’s finally won the tournament”.

Errr – it’s ‘Lleyton’. You know some things but not others. You’re an odd mix of tennis general knowledge. Interesting. If you know shit all about modern tennis – wtf comment on it then ? For goodness sake – is that intelligent ?

Then later that day I found out his OTT self-congratulations were for having won a first round match against a fellow Australian. Not only was he fist pumping and shrieking in self-congratulations at beating an up and coming fellow Australian wild card qualifier (what a fine role model Hewitt’s going to be for their Davis Cup team), but he was exhorting the crowd to recognise his triumph over a guy ranked at 129 in the world (admittedly Hewitt is a grandfatherly 308th) but still, for a double grand slam winner it was hardly a giant-killing performance.

That’s a lot of info from someone who doesn’t follow tennis – wow.

So a year ago we had that pig Brad Haddin showing off the prize of Australian sportsmanship and a mere 12 months later we have Hewitt showcasing all the class of a muslim youth at a swimming pool.

Um, sure – ok – at least you spelt the name Hewitt correctly.

Thank goodness he got crushed by a totally different sort of tennis star (the urbane David Ferrer) in the next round and Hewitt’s piggish gloating is now consigned to the ‘never quite made it and thankfully now forgotten’ part of tennis history.

I thought you didn’t follow tennis ? How do you know anything about David Ferrer ?

Seriously, what is wrong with Australia that it keeps on churning out emotionally-stunted, classless sporting pigs?

Well – if you look at the on court behaviour across the ATP and WTA – I don’t think the Australians are a hell of a lot better or worse than anyone else. They’ve got rules of behaviour and fines etc so they’d get hammered anyway if they take the piss. Kyrgios makes headlines for the wrong reasons but he’s just a young dumb pup. All of bloody 20.

Yeah – he’s won two grand slams – early in his career around age 20 – and that was it. Top ten player for some years – last few somewhere in the top 100 or worse. He’s 34 now. With that ranking – sure, you’d celebrate any win in a grand slam main draw. Context is everything. It’s not 2001 so why wouldn’t 2016 Hewitt celebrate winning a match ? He’s just a fired-up livewire kind of a fella. They can’t all be Federer – ice cool frigidity (is that even a word?). I like Federer but he doesn’t ever involve the crowd and get wound up. In that regard – he’s ‘classy’ but boring. With Hewitt’s ranking any win is a good win. Then he lost to Ferrer – no.8 in the world – just about game over before they warm-up. It’s his last Aussie Open – he’s played about twenty. Geez – I don’t think he’s quite as bad as you’re making him out to be. Being his last attempt at his home event – meh. More to the point – when is NZ going to produce a top ten player who wins a grand slam ? How about a first round win ?
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(1) I like the university debate. I had a look at those posts. You could say that the degree I did has so far only been a very expensive weight loss programme. It’s a bit overkill intellectually just to learn about kilojoules etc but it did work.

(2) Let the good times roll – more hidden posts – shit flushed away from view. A+ – fifty downticks – KB GD’s answer to fifty virgins when you get to heaven. Nicely played.

(3) Today’s paknsave story – I bought a couple of markdown caramello santas – 40c each. (They have to go through a checkout, not self-checkout – there’s no barcode card for 40c). There was a family finishing putting through their weekly shop (this is 11pm – haha) man, woman, young girl. He said to me (joking) ‘are you paying for all of this ?’ (their shopping). looking for a line I just replied (playfully) ‘yeah, man’ – not great but ok. Then – he said just add my shit (my words) to their shopping. I was like a stunned lemon squirming there – um, ok – cool. I shook the man’s hand. They were *almost, almost* free – but not *quite* – because he said ‘God bless you’. And like a total hypocrite I think I sheepishly said ‘same to you’ in a less than convincing voice.

And those nice fuckers were BROWN polys !! Could’ve been high. Naaaaaaah – kidding.
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January 23, 2016 6:22am
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“The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled persons suffer illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. The bias was first experimentally observed by David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University in 1999. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately.”

Just saying
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