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Nostradamus

Happy New Year everyone!

Last night – with 100% hypocrisy – Penny said to Waikatogirl:

I’m sorry that your ‘belief system’ seems to be so insecure that you have to resort to ad hominem attacks when challenged?

I say 100% hypocrisy because (on the same thread) Penny said to me:

(Isn’t that right Nostradumass?
Sorry – but again – given your silly billy comments today, it was again just TOO tantalising to resist
It’s ok – eventually – in the fullness of time, you will ‘get it’ (hopefully?)
ie: You start it – and I’ll finish it (meant of course in a caring way

So, for the second day in a row, Penny has resorted to ad hominem attacks when challenged. Presumably my “silly billy comments” were my 10:32am and 10:49am comments.

To recap:

1. Penny has expressed a “considered opinion” that the Auditor-General is “corrupt, unfit for duty, and should be sacked”. It is difficult to think of a more serious allegation that could be made about the competence and personal motives of a public official.

2. I observed that Penny’s “considered opinion” appears to be based on this proposition: the Auditor-General decided not to inquire into “a matter relating to Sky City” because of her personal SkyCity shareholding.

3. As to the Auditor-General’s decision, I observed (with linked evidence) that Penny’s inquiry request was vague (“whether the Police organised crime agency OFCANZ “could or should have carried out some work to assess the effect of the [convention centre Bill] on the risk of money laundering in New Zealand”). I referred (again with linked evidence) to the Auditor-General’s stated reason for her decision: she lacks jurisdiction to inquire into “matters of policy” under the Public Audit Act 2001. Section 18 empowers the Auditor-General to inquire into “any matter concerning a public entity’s use of its resources”. I suggested that the Auditor-General’s response to Penny’s vague request was proportionate and measured in the circumstances.

4. As to the Auditor-General’s personal SkyCity shareholding, Penny frequently claims that her “considered opinions “are based on FACTS and EVIDENCE. An opinion, however considered, can be defamatory if it isn’t based on facts and evidence. So I asked Penny 4 fact-based questions to establish – one way or the other – whether the Auditor-General had a material personal interest in SkyCity matters.

Penny has chosen not to address the substantive issues I raised but, rather, to play silly name games. It’s worth noting that Penny has received two strikes for comments she’s made on Kiwiblog:

[DPF: Calling the Auditor-general corrupt is defamatory and that’s a first strike]
[DPF: Accusing someone [me – Nostradamus] of making or taking bribes is unacceptable, even as a question. That’s Strike 2]

I know you’re reading this, Penny, so I suggest you familiarize yourself with DPF’s comments policy: “Give other commenters the courtesy of referring to them by the name or alias they use on this blog”. Otherwise, to quote your own words back at you, people may conclude that “your ‘belief system’ seems to be so insecure that you have to resort to ad hominem attacks when challenged”.
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January 1, 2016 8:02am
Don the Kiwi

This will send Gripp into cardiac arrest.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

“It is becoming clear that not only do many scientists dispute the asserted global warming crisis, but these skeptical scientists may indeed form a scientific consensus.

Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists. Two recent surveys of meteorologists (summarized here and here) revealed similar skepticism of alarmist global warming claims.

According to the newly published survey of geoscientists and engineers, merely 36 percent of respondents fit the “Comply with Kyoto” model. The scientists in this group “express the strong belief that climate change is happening, that it is not a normal cycle of nature, and humans are the main or central cause.”

The authors of the survey report, however, note that the overwhelming majority of scientists fall within four other models, each of which is skeptical of alarmist global warming claims.

The survey finds that 24 percent of the scientist respondents fit the “Nature Is Overwhelming” model. “In their diagnostic framing, they believe that changes to the climate are natural, normal cycles of the Earth.” Moreover, “they strongly disagree that climate change poses any significant public risk and see no impact on their personal lives.”

Another group of scientists fit the “Fatalists” model. These scientists, comprising 17 percent of the respondents, “diagnose climate change as both human- and naturally caused. ‘Fatalists’ consider climate change to be a smaller public risk with little impact on their personal life. They are skeptical that the scientific debate is settled regarding the IPCC modeling.” These scientists are likely to ask, “How can anyone take action if research is biased?”

The next largest group of scientists, comprising 10 percent of respondents, fit the “Economic Responsibility” model. These scientists “diagnose climate change as being natural or human caused. More than any other group, they underscore that the ‘real’ cause of climate change is unknown as nature is forever changing and uncontrollable. Similar to the ‘nature is overwhelming’ adherents, they disagree that climate change poses any significant public risk and see no impact on their personal life. They are also less likely to believe that the scientific debate is settled and that the IPCC modeling is accurate. In their prognostic framing, they point to the harm the Kyoto Protocol and all regulation will do to the economy.”

The final group of scientists, comprising 5 percent of the respondents, fit the “Regulation Activists” model. These scientists “diagnose climate change as being both human- and naturally caused, posing a moderate public risk, with only slight impact on their personal life.” Moreover, “They are also skeptical with regard to the scientific debate being settled and are the most indecisive whether IPCC modeling is accurate.”

Taken together, these four skeptical groups numerically blow away the 36 percent of scientists who believe global warming is human caused and a serious concern.
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January 1, 2016 8:18am
jcuk

Shades of the kettle calling the pot black … the attacks on Penny one finds repeatedly on this blog are disgusting. Makes this blog more and more like the Standard every day except our worthy host does not censor bless him for his tolerance.
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January 1, 2016 8:22am
cmm

@Nostradamus:

You’re breaking rule number one. Don’t feed thee trolls.

People like that rely on being rehashed and quoted. It feeds their self-view of being important and bringing important discussion points to the table. It is their oxygen.
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January 1, 2016 8:23am
Paulus Gnome

Hagar the horrible seems to have missed out on the honours listing as fellow traveler Armstrong got the mention for journalism, how disappointing, all that effort. . .
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January 1, 2016 8:26am
G152

penny deserves all the types of remarks she gets.
Not paying rates yet using the facilities provided by rates
Using the well meaning services of people to avoid her legal obligations
Its ultimatum time.
Pay and go away
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January 1, 2016 8:26am
Griff

Don you profess to be a catholic yet practice hypocrisy as a matter of course. This makes you a sinner destined for hell according to your wacky belief system

. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers

Engineers and geoscientists ?
Dear dear why not link to James Taylor and his butchering of the study on Oil industry management and their denial of climate change Don?

This paper examines the framings and identity work associated with professionals’ discursive construction of climate change science, their legitimation of themselves as experts on ‘the truth’, and their attitudes towards regulatory measures. Drawing from survey responses of 1077 professional engineers and geoscientists, we reconstruct their framings of the issue and knowledge claims to position themselves within their organizational and their professional institutions. In understanding the struggle over what constitutes and legitimizes expertise, we make apparent the heterogeneity of claims, legitimation strategies, and use of emotionality and metaphor. By linking notions of the science or science fiction of climate change to the assessment of the adequacy of global and local policies and of potential organizational responses, we contribute to the understanding of ‘defensive institutional work’ by professionals within petroleum companies, related industries, government regulators, and their professional association.

A zombie myth from the past 2013 to be exact.t
How surprising from you.
num num num Zombies.
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January 1, 2016 8:28am
Southern Raider

Prediction #1 for 2016

Within the first week Reid will make several negative claims against Israel

Prediction #2 for 2016

Within the first week Reid will make a global conspiracy claim and reference some obscure nutter web site
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January 1, 2016 8:30am
cmm

@Don the Kiwi

A wag once said that anything with science in its name is not a real science. Physics and chemistry are real sciences, domestic science and business science are not.

Climate science is just a branch of that other non-science: political science.

AGW is just an extension of the while-guilt theme anything Western, especially male, is evil. What makes AGWs almost perfect is that it attacks via an unseen vector: CO2 and is global. Someone starting a car in USA can be blamed for floods in Asia.
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January 1, 2016 8:31am
calendar girl

Well said, Nostra.

Sooner or later someone on Kiwiblog is going to be called to account for calling the Auditor-General “corrupt”. I hope that it is not DPF.
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January 1, 2016 8:33am
jcuk

Penny seems to be using the ‘system’ to make her point. That people do not like what she is doing, and neither do I, doesn’t validate the rather stupid, crude and pointless attacks on her. Occasionally I give her an uptick when she makes a good point but mostly I simply scroll past her as I do other repetitive commentators with ‘one-issue’ stances.
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January 1, 2016 8:37am
Awww C-mon

Don, if your sons night was like mine take triple shot coffee! Not because we managed to misbehave but due to being up all night sorting out those who did! Our 5 guests for the night become 10 at 2am
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January 1, 2016 8:38am
mikenmild

Ha ha cmm
By your own definition, the scientists quoted by Don do not count. They are ‘geoscientists’ – earth scientists. You say that any discipline with ‘science’ in the title is not a real science. How does it feel to be a complete fuckwit?
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January 1, 2016 8:39am
Griff

Physics and chemistry are real sciences,
APS Journals
Physical Review Letters, Physical Review X, Physical Review, and Reviews of Modern Physics
The Infrared Absorption Spectrum of Carbon Dioxide
P. E. Martin and E. F. Barker
Phys. Rev. 41, 291 –, Published 1 August 1932
http://journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.41.291

Pity you failed the basics then cmm …EH
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January 1, 2016 8:43am
stephieboy

Surely the political brick bat of 2015 must go to Ben Carson who has helped to turn the Republican Presidential nomination into a farce.
A great Neurosurgeon he might be but a mediocre and poor politician he has proved to be .What with facial claims such as the Pyramids of Egypt were used as granaries and gun control was the reason for the holocaust of the Jews One can see quickly how he has become such and political embarrassment and liability to the GOP.

Not forgetting attacking and wanting to demolish a welfare system that gave him a vital leg up in his medical training in the first place.
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January 1, 2016 8:45am
Southern Raider

Prediction #3 for 2016

Despite mounting evidence of manipulation, conspiracy and money laundering Stephiboy will endorse Clinton for Pontus and somehow mould this into every blog regardless of the actual topic
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January 1, 2016 8:49am
Don the Kiwi

And a happy new year to you too, Griff.

I didn’t realise that my comment would have that affect on you 😉

Did someone have the defibrilater handy? I’m glad you survived – GD and the AGW debate would not be the same without you, me old mate.

But I would much prefer if you hadn’t – on the first day of the New Year – sunk to the abyss of ad hominem and insult. I’m just the messenger – I didn’t write the article. 🙂
That’s one of my New Years resolutions – to keep away from insult, and just enjoy.

I’m sure mm and others will hold me to account for that 🙂
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January 1, 2016 8:51am
Don the Kiwi

Awww C-mon

I haven’t tried to ring him yet – I’ll wait till about 9.30. He won’t make any sense before that. 🙂
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January 1, 2016 8:53am
Left Right and Centre

How does it feel to be a complete fuckwit?

Whoap – did someone get up on the wrong side of 2015 ?
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January 1, 2016 8:54am
Nostalgia-NZ

First post of the year Nostradamus trolling his favourite target at length – once again, yawn, such a suprise. Let’s hope that some of her other over fixated fans overcame their addictions to her with the passing of the old year.
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January 1, 2016 8:54am
Griff

Sorry don dying of laughter from your repeated stupidity is not exactly how I plan to go.
But at lest I would die happy…EH
James Taylor is a paid oil industry lobbyist who lied about both the study and its conclusions .
You repeated the lie .

The same story has been repeated many times on here and debunked as many.
I am left with two possible conclusions.

You are extremely thick .
You knowingly repeated a lie .

Being thick is not a crime its a disability that deserves pity .
Lying is hypocrisy.
You are what you are deacon
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January 1, 2016 9:01am
Brigitte

Happy New Year everyone.

Starting on the Climate Change, the writer belongs to Heartland Institute (funded by Koch brothers) so has a conflict of interest and thus one should be wary of taking anything at face value. BUT – if we do accept the numbers at face value, my (admittedly unchecked) top-of-the-head calculation indicates that the number of deniers (in the paper) is about 2-3% of the number of scientists who contributed to the IPCC reports. So that still is consistent with the ‘at least 97% of scientists believe that mankind is the main contributor to climate change’.

My new year resolution was to do some more exercise. So I decided a nice swim was in order this morning to start it all off. Bloody silly idea that was – got out to the first buoy at the beach and decided it was way too rough and came back in. Oh well, at least I tried.
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January 1, 2016 9:08am
Odakyu-sen

AGW is the most loved by people who have a great passion for “righting wrongs.” They “know what is best for society.” Anyone who disagrees must be the worst kind of person.

No wonder that these kinds of people are attracted to certain professions that include teaching and journalism.
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January 1, 2016 9:10am
jcuk

I do not know if AGW is right or not but I do know that the weather is changing …I cannot do anything about it so I take it as it comes and am sure that any intervention will be driven by capitalism for the benefit of capitalism despite the apparent concentration of the ‘left’ in its supporters. Ironic really 🙂
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January 1, 2016 9:18am
stephieboy

Southern Raider, calm down ! The thread is General Debate and was merely venturing an opinion. You seem to have a more exalted view of Carson . Why ?

Another of my brick bats goes to Vladimir. Putin with his grandiouse aspirations to revive the spirit of the old Tsarist and Soviet Empires in the Crimea and Ukraine.

Also the fact he and his cronies in the Kremlin had to back down on the ludicrous claim that a Ukraine Su 25 or some other military jet shot down M17 ,tacitly agreeing with the Dutch Safety Board that it was in fact a BUK missile .
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January 1, 2016 9:18am
jcuk

PS Thankyou for the fifteen downticks to my first comment today … keep up the good work … my record is thirty so you have a way to go to beat that 🙂
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January 1, 2016 9:20am
Left Right and Centre

Bloody silly idea that was – got out to the first buoy at the beach and decided it was way too rough and came back in. Oh well, at least I tried.

Eeerr – how about a nice stroll on dry land ? (Or you could change your name to Sonny Bill and walk on water).
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January 1, 2016 9:22am
holysheet

Don the Kiwi (2,218 comments) says:
January 1st, 2016 at 8:18 am
This will send Gripp into cardiac arrest.

But, But, But, the science was settled along time ago didn’t you know?
The fact that as time progresses, more and more scientists are realising that it is not settled. This only shows how far out of touch our resident wingnut griff really is.
Time to get back on your scientifically designed meds Griff, and leave the mary-jane alone. Its a well known scientific fact that continuous use of mary-jane addles the brain, but you know that right?
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January 1, 2016 9:28am
mikenmild

Are you drunk again, holysheet?
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January 1, 2016 9:29am
Keeping Stock

@ Nostradamus (8.02am) – surely you’re not suggesting that Ms Bright was misquoted when the HZ Herald reported the following on 30 October 2014 in a piece entitled Twelve Questions: Penny Bright:

8. What philosophies do you live by?
I hate lies and I detest liars. I don’t do gossip or personal comments. I don’t do political dirt. I don’t hate anyone, it’s just behaviours I dislike. Am I tough? Yeah. Vulnerable? Not particularly. I’m not a spiritual person, I’m a character person. Integrity is really important to me. An ex-Cabinet minister once described me as “pathologically honest” but what’s wrong with that? I’m consistent and persistent more than most and I don’t back down.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11350182

For Ms Bright to call you “Nostradumass” was certainly in the gamut of “personal comments”. Likewise her oft-repeated “Dodgy John” comments, and now a blatant personal attack on the Auditor-General, Lyn Provost. That attack on Ms Provost also fits the brief of “political dirt”, merely because Ms Provost did not provide the report Ms Bright demanded.

It would seem that Penny makes rules for others to live by, but lives to a different set of rules herself. When she comes to Kiwiblog, she must forget that “Integrity is really important to me”, because she displays an absolute lack of integrity through the weapons-grade hypocrisy she so often exhibits.
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January 1, 2016 9:30am
waikatogirl

Don the Kiwi
That’s one of my New Years resolutions – to keep away from insult, and just enjoy.
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I agree Don. It’s no use getting your liver all twisted, and some won’t listen to any alternative point of view.

I decided 2016 is going to be fun so I broke with my own protocol and spent quite a bit on something I’ve wanted for ages. Delivered yesterday just in time for the new year 🙂
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January 1, 2016 9:30am
Nookin

Nostalgia
Do you really think that likely given that it is election year, her warship is in full campaign mode and an integral part of her campaign is to “stick it” to those whom she misperceives to be the stereotypical enemy of transparency and supporters of the corrupt and evil Auckland City i.e. any one in business and most people who blog on KB?

Jcuk — she is not using the system, she is using other people’s money and demands acknowledgement and thanks for so doing. If, as she maintains, the AC is failing to comply with the law, why has she not simply aplied for a declaration that the council’s practices are unlawful? This could have been resolved 7 years ago had she done so. Instead, she has engaged in a campaign which cannot possibly resolve the central issue — something she has been told many times previously, by commenters and judges alike.

Penny is likely to have some very valid causes. I know little about Auckland and its politics. I do know that brandishing anyone who does business with the council as troughers will not gain much traction.

If her warship made the following resolutions she would probably reverse her downtick imbalance overnight:
1. Accept that John Key is not inherently evil, does not eat babies and it is neither unlawful nor innapropriate to own BoA shares (Nostradamus, did you know that the PM has BoA shares?).
2. Take a fair, objective and analytical approach to issues. Business is not inherently evil. The government is not per se corrupt. AC , as a super city, is not necessarily the problem. It is very likely the incompetence and irresponsibility of the people running it.
3. Answer some questions. Do not make bald, occasionally irresponsible, statements and walk away from the debate. Give some answers.
4. Respect is not demanded. If it earned. Usually by respecting others.
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January 1, 2016 9:32am
holysheet

Bugger, I broke my new years resolution within 5 hours of making it. It was “TO PLAY NICE THIS YEAR”
Coming to KB for the first time and seeing comments that I knew would cause me angst set me off again.

And no I am not pissed milky, but can the same be said about you?
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January 1, 2016 9:38am
SGA

cmm at 8:31 am

A wag once said that anything with science in its name is not a real science.

hmmm… natural sciences, life sciences, physical sciences
Nah, you’ve been had.

Climate science is just a branch of that other non-science: political science.

Oddly, the few people I know who study the climate have degrees in geology or physics.
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January 1, 2016 9:39am
SGA

holysheet at 9:28 am

The fact that as time progresses, more and more scientists are realising that it is not settled.

Really? “more and more”?
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January 1, 2016 9:42am
mikenmild

Not pissed yet, holysheet?
Must be the long-term damage from your alcohol abuse that has warped your thinking, then.
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January 1, 2016 9:43am
holysheet

nah
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January 1, 2016 9:43am
waikatogirl

holysheet
Bugger, I broke my new years resolution within 5 hours of making it. It was “TO PLAY NICE THIS YEAR”
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I get the impression that you rather like poking the borax for the expected reaction.

Happy New Year everyone, I hope 2016 brings you wealth, health and happiness whatever your views are. 🙂
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January 1, 2016 9:44am
SGA

Odakyu-sen at 9:10 am

AGW is the most loved by people who have a great passion for “righting wrongs.” They “know what is best for society.” Anyone who disagrees must be the worst kind of person.
No wonder that these kinds of people are attracted to certain professions that include teaching and journalism.

There are thousands and thousands of scientific articles relating to AGW. You don’t really believe they are all written by teachers and journalists, do you?
(Remember – it’s part of the vast international, multidisciplinary conspiracy by scientists to rort the system for research funding).
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January 1, 2016 9:47am
kowtow

Lesson ,don’t hire Muslims.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29330180/cargill-tried-resolve-issues-before-firing-colorado-muslim

“About 190 workers, mostly Somali, were let go after they left the meatpacking line to protest changes to prayer policy”
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January 1, 2016 9:58am
Left Right and Centre

I decided 2016 is going to be fun so I broke with my own protocol and spent quite a bit on something I’ve wanted for ages. Delivered yesterday just in time for the new year

Batteries not included ? 😉
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January 1, 2016 10:04am
lofty

Happy new year to all of you.
Thanks for the giggles and sometimes thoughtful comments.
A special thanks to Penny, you stick to your guns girl, speak openly and freely as is your right, I love your commitment even though you are in my humble opinion as transparent as cellophane.
Good luck with your campaign, it will keep you occupied for a while anyway and give the rest of the KB commenting group plenty of ammo to hold you to account.
I would like to see you answer those easy 6 questions though, just so you actually add substance to your ambitions, how about it?
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January 1, 2016 10:08am
Brigitte

I hope Andrei manages better than this guy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/31/russian-man-wakes-up-in-morgue-after-drinking-vodka-goes-back-to-party_n_8898278.html
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January 1, 2016 10:09am
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

Ha ha cmm
By your own definition, the scientists quoted by Don do not count. They are ‘geoscientists’ – earth scientists. You say that any discipline with ‘science’ in the title is not a real science. How does it feel to be a complete fuckwit?

Umm, “geoscience” (or Earth science) is a catch-all phrase to describe the results of disciplines such as geography, geology, ecology, meteorology, climatology used in a supposedly holistic manner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_science

So cmm’s quip:

A wag once said that anything with science in its name is not a real science. Physics and chemistry are real sciences, domestic science and business science are not.

Climate science is just a branch of that other non-science: political science.

…still stands. And come, on – it was a rule of thumb that is actually kinda amusing…irrespective of whether you give credence to AGW or not. I can think of two that definitely include the word science to cover up the fact they are bullshit: Christian Science and Creation Science.

Also, as an aside, what is with you, and stephieboy, also, the last few days? Both of you are really quick on the draw with the expletive deleted. Now, I’ll admit I do that too, but like most posters, seldom as a first offering. I know both of you guys like to act as some sort of intellectual-quality control on the (generally) right-wing opinions and discussion that prevails around here – and fair enough…and (in case I haven’t said it before) good on you. But that means, for the sake of the general tone and quality of conversation…you two especially are usually required to exhibit more self-control and a bit more sense than the pig-headed conservatives you are supposedly bringing to account….or the hit-and-run trolls like Gaby and Yoza. At least as an initial gambit. I mean, come on – calling someone a “fuckwit” for making a (kinda amusing) joke?!

But I kinda get the impression, as we enter the second week of the holidays that your short patience, and quick and less-than-amusing irascibility may be due to extended cabin fever that is causing you to act like an annoying dog chasing every passing car. How about for the sake of your credibility (and yes, you do have some…with me, anyway) you guys make it a habit to take a couple of hours out each day to refresh? We already have one Griff…and that is more than enough.

Now, lest I be mistaken for a hand-wringing ninny in the Pete George mold, I’ll leave it at that.
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January 1, 2016 10:15am
Captain Mainwaring

“even though you are in my humble opinion as transparent as cellophane.”

Probably the wrong analogy. Cellophane is quite transparent. You can see through it. I think that she is as transparent as concrete.
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January 1, 2016 10:17am
mikenmild

If you feel that your tinfoil hat is a little conspicuous, try this instead:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shieldapparel/shield-the-world-s-first-signal-proof-headwear
‘You do not have to be paranoid or into conspiracy theories. Just take our signal proof hat and reflect electromagnetic waves’
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January 1, 2016 10:19am
Kimbo

As another aside:

It is ironic the Latin word scientia/’knowledge’ came to be used for what we now describe as ‘science’, instead of the Greek alternative, gnosis, as the Greeks were much more interested and proficient in discovering the workings of the natural world than the pragmatic Romans. Probably due to Latin being the language of scholarship from the time of Copernicus, Galileo, Bacon.
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January 1, 2016 10:24am
mikenmild

Some people just want to go back to the 1950s. A bunch of male legislators decide to make it illegal for women to expose their nipples in public. A female legislator opposes this, so what do they do? Harass her, of course:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/30/new_hampshire_topless_bill_amanda_bouldin_harassed_by_sexists.html
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January 1, 2016 10:25am
Nostradamus

Keeping Stock:

@ Nostradamus (8.02am) – surely you’re not suggesting that Ms Bright was misquoted when the HZ Herald reported the following on 30 October 2014 in a piece entitled Twelve Questions: Penny Bright:

The NZ Herald team definitely wouldn’t have misquoted Penny – the more plausible explanation is that she misquoted herself.

Actually, speaking of the NZ Herald, I understand they’re keen to follow-up on their article entitled Auckland mayoral race: who are the contenders? The follow-up article (which is still waiting to be written) will be entitled Six Questions: Penny Bright:

1. What is your solution to the reported level of foreign ownership of residential property?
2. What one thing would you do to help solve the housing shortage?
3. Would you cap the rate rise?
4. Would you cut any major projects, and if so, what?
5. What is more important – a bigger road network/new roads or more bus lanes/cycle paths/walking paths?
6. Why would you be a good mayor?

The NZ Herald team is very patient – they’ve had to wait 144 days so far (and counting).
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January 1, 2016 10:26am
Left Right and Centre

New year resolution – invent a word to describe the act of watching the last 30 mins of an hour on Freeview, then the first 30 minutes on Freeview +1. Any other peasants do that ? Anyone else still viewing Freeview ? Is it just me yet ? Anyone remember radios ?
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January 1, 2016 10:27am
stephieboy

Kimbo, try to understand that KB is about debate and putting forward personal opinions . Some we agree with and some we don’t. Its that simple !

Also a reminder that putting forward ones own personal views is not about winning a popularity contest.

Put up or shut up !
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January 1, 2016 10:27am
starboard

“How does it feel to be a complete fuckwit?”

Go and have some sex mm, preferably with a woman this time and not your hand.
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January 1, 2016 10:27am
Kimbo

@ stephieboy

Kimbo, try to understand that KB is about debate and putting forward personal opinions . Some we agree with and some we don’t. Its that simple !

Also a reminder that putting forward ones own personal views is not about winning a popularity contest.

Put up or shut up !

Um, yeah. I’ve always agreed with that…indeed, what ever my long rambling posts achieve (i.e., nothing), that has always been my intent.

I’m just saying something seems to have changed with you two guys in the last week or so. You aren’t engaging in (to quote you) “debate”, or “putting forward just your own personal views”, or even advancing an argument. Your posts lack any substance, you aren’t sticking around to defend the point you are supposedly making with new data.

Instead, irrespective of the topic you are doing little other than…arguing about an argument for the sake of arguing.

Now as unlikely as my theory is about DPF keeping you two on his pay-roll as a couple of schills to stimulate posting activity…if it was true, then if I was him…I’d be looking for replacements, because both of you, after much worthwhile service, have gone very stale.
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January 1, 2016 10:35am
Don the Kiwi

Well now.

The new year has started off on a bi-partisan basis – I have just given Mikey ans Stephie upticks. Long may it prosper – but
I wonder how often, and for how long that will continue. 🙂
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January 1, 2016 10:36am
publicwatchdog

Oh Nostra – you poor old silly billy – it doesn’t look like you’re having a very happy start to your New Year?

FYI – I SHALL continue to express my considered opinion, based upon FACTS and EVIDENCE, as I see fit.

Did you miss this post Nostra?

“Here you go Kiwibloggers – for those of you who haven’t yet found the FACTS as to why NZ Auditor-General Lyn Provost didn’t carry out the investigation into the Sky City ‘deal’ ?

(Tiny footnote on Pg 3)

http://www.oag.govt.nz/2013/skycity/2013/skycity/docs/inquiry-into-the-government2019s-decision-to-negotiate-with-skycity-entertainment-group-limited-for-an-international-convention-centre. ”

What concerns me Nostra, is that, in my considered opinion, you don’t appear to have a blinding clue about what constitutes a potentially corrupt ‘conflict of interest’?

If it was seen to be not appropriate for Auditor-General Lyn Provost to head the OAG Inquiry into the Sky City Convention ‘deal’ – because of her shareholding in Sky City – then how on earth was it appropriate for her not to disclose that, and recuse herself, when I requested she conduct into another inquiry into a matter involving Sky City?

Seriously?

Thank you Nostra for helping to prove that my considered opinions on this matter, backed with the above-mentioned FACTS and EVIDENCE, must be hitting home, based upon your arguably semi-apoplectic reaction?

HINT: “When you’re in a hole – stop digging”.

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 1, 2016 10:37am
waikatogirl

Left Right and Centre
Batteries not included ? ?
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Lol. If you buy quality products they don’t require batteries 😉
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January 1, 2016 10:38am
Captain Mainwaring

Nostra, you old Silly Billy.
You’ve woken the sleeping rottweiler.
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January 1, 2016 10:42am
waikatogirl

Not such a good day in the Waikato. The wind is starting to cut up a bit rough and we have battened down the hatches just in case.
Damn climate change, going to be warm and rainy, and for those who live south of us, I’m sending it your way
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January 1, 2016 10:43am
Kimbo

…even though the names of many of the scientific disciplines derive from Greek, e.g, bio (life) –ology (‘word’/study of), zoo (also ‘life’) -ology, geo (earth) –ology,
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January 1, 2016 10:43am
mikenmild

Any plans to answer those 6 simple questions this year, Penny? After that, we could get on to discussing all the other Auckland issues that you haven’t mentioned yet.
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January 1, 2016 10:44am
Don the Kiwi

wiakatogirl.

So, you have bought yourself a new car?

My wife bought one last week – a neat little 2008 Subaru Impreza Sports Hatch.

Next week, I move on my 2001 Legacy – lovely car, but getting a bit long in the tooth – $3500 anyone??
And go to pick up my 2007 Legacy Wagon – H6 3.0 litre engine – bulletproof. Its a very nice car too.

Uumm – maybe its not a new car – cars require batteries too. 🙂
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January 1, 2016 10:44am
stephieboy

Kimbo , lacking substance … arguing for the sake of arguing etc ? Again that’s your personal opinion.

If you like you can dissect and if need be repudiate my post about Dr Ben Carson at 8.45am .
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January 1, 2016 10:49am
waikatogirl

Don’t need a new car, my V8 is still going fine…
Actually, just some very nice Stressless chairs in the Danske Mobler sale. They are deliciously comfortable. 🙂 🙂
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January 1, 2016 10:52am
Left Right and Centre

The internet bs . . .

DO USE THE SEA FOR EXERCISE

Many of us at are taking time off from regular workout routines at this time of year, so the sea is an ideal place to keep your metabolism up and continually burn off your excess holiday food. For every day you spend at the beach, take 20 minutes or so to swim around a set of buoys or out to a raft. It’s more fun and more rewarding than swimming in any pool.

Real world . . .

My new year resolution was to do some more exercise. So I decided a nice swim was in order this morning to start it all off. Bloody silly idea that was – got out to the first buoy at the beach and decided it was way too rough and came back in. Oh well, at least I tried.

I just saw the two and thought it was vaguely amusing.
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January 1, 2016 10:55am
waikatogirl

LR&C
New year resolution – invent a word to describe the act of watching the last 30 mins of an hour on Freeview, then the first 30 minutes on Freeview +1. Any other peasants do that ? Anyone else still viewing Freeview ? Is it just me yet ? Anyone remember radios ?
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Must have sounded a great idea last night after a few bottles?
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January 1, 2016 10:55am
publicwatchdog

Did you miss this post Nostra?

The explanation of why I (sometimes) choose to call you Nostradumass?

Meant of course in a caring way – but you do seem to be a particularly slow learner?

I WILL defend myself, and my right to hold and express a considered opinion.

As an ‘anti-corruption whistle-blower’ I WILL continue to ‘watch the Watchdogs’, and TELL THE TRUTH.

Sorry if you appear to find that so deeply disturbing – but you and others can take your (mainly, in my view) ‘boys club bullying’ and stick it where the sun don’t shine 🙂

PublicWatchdog
(4,924 comments) says:
December 30th, 2015 at 8:03 pm

Sorry Nostra – but when you say silly-billy things – the urge to play with your pseudonym and ‘tweak’ it to Nostradumass is simply overpowering.

Your pseudonym, ‘Nostradamus’ in those circumstances, is as tantalising as Amanda Baillie’s ponytail was to NZ Prime Minister John Key?

The simple solution Nostra – would be:

a) Not say dumbass things?

b) Harden up – (as it were)?

c) Learn to ‘take it’ – when you ‘dish it’?

I mean, compared to the personal abuse, the defamatory lies, slurs and innuendos that I am subjected to, usually on a daily basis here on Kiwiblog – calling you ‘Nostradumass’ (when I think it’s warranted) – is rather minor ‘diddums’ stuff don’t you think?

Of course, you old silly billy, when you (predictably) bite like a BIG gummy white pointer goldfish, it just makes it even more tantalising – to call you ‘Nostradumass’

Hey!

But thanks for continuing to be SO diligent in continuing to read and comment on my posts

PS: Do you think that John Banks should have been charged as a former fellow Director of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd, for signing Registered Prospectuses which contained misleading information?

‘One law for all’ – sort of thing?

Yes?

No?

(Just asking – nicely

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 1, 2016 10:56am
macdee

Anyone know the origin/meaning of the word “cintall” as in ’30 cintall of hake and haddocke’ in the inventory of a 16/17 century ship’s cargo? Tried several search engines and can’t find it anywhere.
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January 1, 2016 10:57am
Kimbo

@ stephieboy

Kimbo , lacking substance … arguing for the sake of arguing etc ? Again that’s your personal opinion.

If you like you can dissect and if need be repudiate my post about Dr Ben Carson at 8.45am .

I was actually thinking more of this (and this is now the third time I’ve brought it to your attention):

General Debate, December 31st, 2015 at 11:17 am

@ stephieboy

Kimbo, the evidence that I’m into” hit and run trolling ?” Could it be that I do have a busy life and can’t afford wasting time trying to convince the likes of you ?

As I posted yesterday (December 30th, 2015 at 2:06 pm):

@ stephieboy

I refuse to apologise unless you can explain the meaning and relevance to the discussion on this thread ?

———————–

Fair enough, although that would seem par for the course even if you should, as you still haven’t apologised for the allegation (GD, December 28th, 2015 at 11:33 am, “As I see it it’s no different to the drowning accident of 5 year old Jack Dixon…It’s all about the supervision , supervision , supervision“) that drowned 5-year old Jack Dixon was not supervised at the time he was swept away by a freak wave:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10568826/Boy-swept-out-to-sea-named

…but then that has nothing to do with this thread either…except maybe as a test of your credibility, sincerity and as a means of redressing the slur you made against his mother.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/12/capitalism_saving_the_world.html#comments

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/12/general_debate_31_december_2015.html#comments

QED
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January 1, 2016 10:57am
SGA

@Kimbo
From yesterday (sorry, things to do, places to be)

@ SGA Really, who knows people’s mindsets back then.
Umm, don’t we get an insight by reading what they wrote, read, and considered worth preserving? AKA, ‘history’.

Yes and no. I’m not sure that one gets precise insight of contemporary foreign mindsets simply by reading about them, let alone one that existed 2000 years ago. Also, and as you know, the reader brings their own baggage 🙂
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January 1, 2016 10:58am
Fletch

the number of deniers (in the paper) is about 2-3% of the number of scientists who contributed to the IPCC reports.

Of course it is. The IPCC only employs “yes men” to author papers for them who agree with the proposition that humans are causing climate change. It is their raison d’être.
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January 1, 2016 10:59am
Left Right and Centre

Don’t need a new car, my V8 is still going fine…

Batteries not included ? Haha – yeah, I’m leaving now.
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January 1, 2016 11:01am
lofty

Just my luck.. Gales and rain for the next few days, I am feeling a bit gloomy as I pack the wagon for a week in the scrub, fishing and hunting, with the family.
Ah well it doesn’t rain inside the huts, board games with the Grandchildren and vinos in the evening, it’s not all bad, silver lining and all that.
Just have to get in there first.
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January 1, 2016 11:01am
mikenmild

macdee
‘cintall’ is not in my Shorter Oxford Dictionary. Try the multi-volume full Oxford Dictionary at a library.
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January 1, 2016 11:02am
Don the Kiwi

AGW – an indication of how arrogant mankind has become – such inflated egos, they think the universe revolves around their activity and desires – a god complex, where they think they know and can fix everything.

“A little learning is a dangerous thing………….”
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January 1, 2016 11:04am
SGA

Don the Kiwi at 11:04 am

a god complex, where they think they know and can fix everything.

Strange, I’ve always viewed the AGW debate as about our ability to break things.
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January 1, 2016 11:06am
Keeping Stock

HINT: “When you’re in a hole – stop digging”.

Once again Penny, your advice seems to be aimed at everyone EXCEPT YOURSELF.

Now, how about some answers to the six questions the NZ Herald posed of the other, bona fide mayoral candidates; is that too much to ask, you being a believer in transparency and everything?
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January 1, 2016 11:07am
stephieboy

Kimbo. regardless of the tragedy of Jack Dixon I stand by my opinion that drownings occur for a host of different reasons and cannot be blamed exclusively on cultural or racial causes as you appear to have suggested .

The vast majority of Polynesians like most of us go to the beach and return safely and without incident .

That is my point. !

While I’m at it, this priceless post from TM,

“Carson is too clever to be sucked in by the evolution hoax.”
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January 1, 2016 11:09am
starboard

Any plans to offer me an apology mm after continually doubting my holiday sojourns to Bangkok and Phuket ?
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January 1, 2016 11:10am
Kimbo

@ SGA

@Kimbo
From yesterday (sorry, things to do, places to be)

@ SGA Really, who knows people’s mindsets back then.
Umm, don’t we get an insight by reading what they wrote, read, and considered worth preserving? AKA, ‘history’.

Yes and no. I’m not sure that one gets precise insight of contemporary foreign mindsets simply by reading about them, let alone one that existed 2000 years ago. Also, and as you know, the reader brings their own baggage 🙂

The points you make are, IMHO, worthwhile caveats on wholesale and careless generalisations. However, as interesting as that post-modern rabbit-hole is, nonetheless

1. an accumulation of material (and we have much from the ancient Jewish and pagan worlds) that, in context, evidence commonalities (and also differences) of thought, e.g., God/gods intervened in the natural order

2. and the fact the ancients shared a common human nature with us, as well as the ability, means and desire to communicate their thoughts through writing

…indicates that there is a basis for general optimism that we can discern the general character and content of their thoughts and (to quote you) ‘mindsets’ – if not exact understanding in all cases (for example, what does Paul mean by “baptism for the dead” I Corinthians 15:29?).

But we cannot expect ‘exactitude” as with a hard science (and even they have their own cultural baggage, e.g. the choice of what to study and measure). Instead is is a case of sifting through data, and reaching the most likely – yet provisional – conclusion, as does a jury.
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January 1, 2016 11:12am
mikenmild

What do I have to apologise for, starboard? You are clearly a fantasist. Who the fuck would care about your holidays, real or imagined, anyway?
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January 1, 2016 11:13am
Fletch

macdee, I can’t see anything about it either. Had a look in a 1954 Websters Consolidated Dictionary I have here, and can’t see anything. Maybe it is one of those words where the spelling has changed over time. It seems like it could be some kind of measure or weight? (as in 100 pounds of fish). Or perhaps it is a form of currency, like saying, “30 dollars of fish”.
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January 1, 2016 11:14am
starboard

oohh, mm has a flea up his arse today.

Best I not hold my breath then.
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January 1, 2016 11:15am
publicwatchdog

Nostradamus, Keeping Stock and Nookin – can you please confirm that in your opinion, Auckland Council and Auckland Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs), should NOT have to provide the following information about ‘awarded contracts’ on their websites, so that it is available for public scrutiny by Auckland citizens and ratepayers?

1) The unique contract number.

2) The name of the consultant / contractor
(including sub-contractor).

3) Scope (brief description of contract).

4) Term of contract (start and finish dates).

5) $ value of contract.

6) Method of awarding contract ( whether or not it was put out for public tender/ direct appointment).

This information applying to ALL contracts.

Thanks.

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 1, 2016 11:17am
Nookin

Penny
Anyone with even the most basic understanding of the law and the facts will know why Banks was never charged with anything to do with the Huljich prospectus. I have pointed this out to you on numerous occasions but you pointedly refuse to respond. That you keep espousing the untenable view that he is culpable simply indicates a lack of balance, prejudice and an obstinancy that make you wholly unfit for any role that involves passing judgment on others.

You are not a publicwatchdog. You are a rampant bigot.
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January 1, 2016 11:18am
SGA

@Kimbo
Again, yes and no. I suspect that your idea of the Japanese mindset after 10 years of living and working there, and perhaps even marrying a Japanese woman, might be somewhat different than that which you left NZ with (despite your prior reading about the place). I guess I’m a little more cautious than you 🙂
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January 1, 2016 11:20am
stephieboy

public watchdog , thoughts as to why you have persitentyly failed to persuade Auckland Ratepayers to follow your example by not paying rates ?
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January 1, 2016 11:21am
Jack5

Kimbo, at 10.35, posted about the Stephieboys:

Now as unlikely as my theory is about DPF keeping you two on his pay-roll as a couple of schills to stimulate posting activity…if it was true, then if I was him…I’d be looking for replacements, because both of you, after much worthwhile service, have gone very stale.

If the Stephieboys are hired, they picked up the contract from somewhere in the Middle East or South-East Asia.

At first I thought “Stephieboy” was a bot rather than a Third World syndicate, but the posts aren’t up to bot standard.
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January 1, 2016 11:21am
mikenmild

Penny
I’m not sure why you are interested in the opinions of various Kiwibloggers on the transparency of council and CCO contracts. You may even have some legitimate points to make on that subject.
But you are running for mayor. Why won’t you answer any questions about that?
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January 1, 2016 11:22am
Griff

Fletch another Catholic christian talking shit from ignorance yet again.
Number of scientist employed by the IPCC.
ZERO………..
Total paid employees of the IPCC 13.
http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization_secretariat.shtml

Number of scientist whose work is quoted by the IPCC .
last report 9,000 scientific papers.
The work of approximately 14,000 scientists.
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January 1, 2016 11:22am
Captain Mainwaring

Waikatogirl.
Perfect day here in the Hutt Valley. Hint of a northeasterly, 26.5 degrees already and heading for 30. Tomorrow doesn’t look too good though, then we get two days of southerly and lucky to hit 16.
Weather is a swings and roundabouts thing.
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January 1, 2016 11:24am
Brigitte

@macdee

“Anyone know the origin/meaning of the word “cintall” as in ’30 cintall of hake and haddocke’ in the inventory of a 16/17 century ship’s cargo? Tried several search engines and can’t find it anywhere.”

I suspect the word(s) has changed over time. My guess is that it maybe corresponds to the french ‘cinq cales’ or ‘cinq taille’ which would be some sort of storage size (though not obvious what that might be).

Hope this is more a help than hindrance!
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January 1, 2016 11:25am
igm

Public Dog: You are now stepping a little closer to defamation, and best you realise your litigant friend will not be able to help you. Personally, I don’t think you are a fit and proper person to represent the lowest of the low, least of all ratepayers.
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January 1, 2016 11:26am
EAD

Phone in caller on BBC radio unleashes a 13 minute barrel of truth:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/31/listen-bbc-radio-gives-caller-13-minutes-rant-jews-control-world-corporate-america-media/

The caller claimed that the world is “dominated by the Jews’ system” who “control the money, the money, finance,” and further added that “80% of corporate America, of the media, is owned by Jews. And they’re Zionist Jews. We are ruled by Zionist Jews.”

The caller also alleged that so-called Zionist Jews also owned the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve.

Finally, he took discussion of the Holocaust to task, stating, “We keep going on about the Jews… mainstream media, they keep banging on about the Jews and the Holocaust… we keep going on about six million Jews.”

Most of the caller’s comments were not disputed by the presenter, Simon Lederman, who also admitted on air that he granted the caller more airtime than he usually allows for phone-ins.

https://youtu.be/dpKpy-DFB_I
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January 1, 2016 11:31am
mikenmild

What do you think we should do about the Jews, EAD?
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January 1, 2016 11:33am
stephieboy

Looking back on 2015 I would have to say one of my big disappointments was he decision by the government to limit the extra Syrian refugee quota to paltry 600 . It could of been easily doubled with Dunedin receiving 60-80 instead of 30-40 without any ill effects .

However I can safely say they were not in anyway influenced by the vociferous minority of Muslim bashers on KB.
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January 1, 2016 11:35am
Nookin

Penny.
I expect any council to follow the appropriate procedures for determining how it will deliver services, especially if the special consultatative procedure is called for. I expect every local authority to have a process for assessing value for money when considering the engagement of any contractor. I expect the CCOs to be bound by appropriate accountability procedures (as required by statute) and for the CEO to be able to demonstrate compliance with all accountability procedures. I expect the auditor-general to fulfil her statutory function to audit compliance.

I do not expect disclosure of the information to which you refer. I do not expect a task force, working under the auspices of mayor’s office, tasked with the role of auditing all expenditure. I believe that to be extremely unwise and probably unlawful. I think you are entirely the wrong wrong person to be involved in any sort of review in any event.
Does that answer your questions? Good. Now answer the questions that Nostradamus has asked you.
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January 1, 2016 11:37am
Kimbo

@ stephieboy

Kimbo. regardless of the tragedy of Jack Dixon I stand by my opinion that drownings occur for a host of different reasons and cannot be blamed exclusively on cultural or racial causes as you appear to have suggested .

The vast majority of Polynesians like most of us go to the beach and return safely and without incident .

That is my point. !

And (to quote you) “regardless” of your “point”…you were incorrect to say the two drownings were “no different”, when one evidenced a lack of “supervision , supervision , supervision”…whereas in the case you nominated…there was indeed “supervision , supervision , supervision” in place.

Now, in the real world of sound (to quote you again “debate, the alleged facts that you choose to supposedly buttress “your point”, or refute another’s have to match with “your point”…not flat-out contradict your entire argument. And if it does contradict, then you don’t get to say “abracadabra”/”regardless”, and distract attention that that is what you are doing by shifting the goals posts with

The vast majority of Polynesians like most of us go to the beach and return safely and without incident .

Of course they do! But the debate was over the causes of the undoubted statistical preponderance of Polynesian drownings compared to the general population…as also confirmed by Pacific Island commentators and experts who have taken the time to details the cultural factors that play a part in that preponderance!

Money is a key reason for lack of swimming skills in the Pacific community, water safety advocate Lepeti Tea says. The cost of transporting children to swimming lessons and the fees themselves put parents off, but water skills education is vital to turning around drowning rates, she says.

“I want to get the Pacific community to start forking out and make it a priority.”

A free water skills workshop has been organised by Ms Tea in response to her growing concerns about Pacific people drowning in recent years.

“Late last year I just thought ‘you know what, something’s got to be done’.”

She contacted Water Safety New Zealand, who has contracted her to expand Auckland’s Pasifika water education programme to Wellington. Families are invited to Cannon’s Creek Pool on January 28 for a day of fun activities emphasising safety in rivers, around rips and while snorkelling.

“It’s about teaching people to have the skills to survive in the water,” Ms Tea says.

Beyond money, the Pacific community’s fraught relationship with the water is embedded in cultural behaviour from modesty to machismo, Ms Tea says.

Many grew up in the islands surrounded by water and were over-confident in their swimming abilities, she says.

“We think ‘oh, we’re strong in the water, we’re strong athletes, we’ll be fine’. But no, it’s killing us.”

New Zealand’s rip-prone beaches were totally different from the often calm lagoons Pacific people grew up with, she said.

“The currents, the sea, is different.”

Whakama, or modesty about being seen wearing revealing swimsuits, often leads Islanders to swim in isolated spots unmonitored by lifeguards, Ms Tea says. Alternatively, they might wear sarongs or everyday clothing in the water, which weighs them down when they need to swim to safety.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapi-mana-news/6302325/Drownings-hit-Pacific-families-too-regularly

Now, kindly man up, stop acting like a fuckwit (and yes, in context you have earned that), and withdraw the slur against Jack Dixon’s mother that he was not supervised to what would normally be considered an adequate extent (compared to Jimmy Laulu) at the time of his drowning. You are better than that stephie…or at least you used to be.
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January 1, 2016 11:38am
EAD

Typical slimy comment from my Stalker Milkmild in another of his lame attempts to ridicule and silence anybody who is on to the truth about the jewish tyranny in the west through their financial power
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January 1, 2016 11:38am
stephieboy

EAD, I take it that similar kinds of thoughts by the BBC radio caller was running though your mind whilst devoutly sitting through the Carol services your attended prior to Christmas ?

And your final solution to the jewish question ?
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January 1, 2016 11:41am
mikenmild

EAD
I really don’t think it is slimy to ask a self-proclaimed national socialist what he would do about the Jewish ‘tyranny’. I don’t want to silence you. On the contrary, I want to hear more from you about how national socialism would address these problems.
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