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Odakyu-sen

The Left is very much focussed on the end result. If people’s lives are destroyed along the way, then that’s unfortunate.

Women get raped, but it is a small price to pay for overthrowing the white European capitalist system! Remember, comrades, you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs!

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January 17, 2016 3:36pm
fernglas

All on Red

i don’t think you speak French either. The word “son” is the 3rd person singular possessive “its” not “it’s” which is “c’est”
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January 17, 2016 3:41pm
cha

heh

Same Sad Echo
‏@SameSadEcho

damn @realDonaldTrump you just got owned by a hardware store

https://twitter.com/SameSadEcho/status/688022524630855680
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January 17, 2016 3:42pm
Zed

The problem with the left and PC in general is denying the conflict in core values between the cultures of Islam and the West. They spend time and energy defending an ideology that stands against every fundamental liberal value they thenselves believe in instead of discussing means of minimising the affects of this conflict that will clearly have no winners

Pretending there is no problem will only push people towards the so-called far ritgh and you only need so many to get Trump into the White House.
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January 17, 2016 4:05pm
Odakyu-sen

Zed,

If the Left is “anti West” and Islam is “anti West” then Islam must not be criticized. Ends to a means and all that.

I really don’t think that the Left gets Islam (despite them both being totalitarian in nature). Thinking logically does not appear to be part of the Leftist’s brief. Their actions are driven by political theory.
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January 17, 2016 4:44pm
publicwatchdog

Good afternoon Kiwibloggers – been a bit busy this morning 🙁

Just wondering if those of you who still support the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) are aware of this?
__________________________________________________

The Deeper, Uglier Side of TPP

Posted on January 15, 2016 by Yves Smith

Yves here. If you have friends or colleagues who would might be new to the topic of how dangerous the investor state dispute settlement process is for not just regulation but national sovereignity, this Real News Network show provides a fine introduction.

Even though this short but crisp segment will be largely old hat to regular readers, it does also discuss a device often used successfully in these kangaroo courts, called “stacking.” which increases the odds of win by the corporation suing for compensation.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/01/the-deeper-uglier-side-of-tpp.html

_______________________________________________

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.

(Who does NOT support New Zealand signing the TPPA).
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January 17, 2016 4:47pm
Odakyu-sen

I’ll say one thing about the troubles in Germany. They are really making people sit up and think about the practical benefits of feminism and PC. These incidents are sharply throwing into relief the gap between feminisms’s talk and feminism’s walk.

German women will be asking themselves: “What has feminism and PC done to make me safer?”
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January 17, 2016 4:51pm
Liberty

Antarctic
Should we not question. Having a base at the Antarctic. The cost is many Millions for what?
Weather prediction. A bit hit and miss on a good day. The information could by obtained remotely.
Research into the global warming. If the academics are going to stare gaze or watch fluffy clouds go past. Can be done in wellington.
Are they going to drill for oil or mine some useful commodity. No
They will spend hrs counting penguins and watch thousand of penguins have a piddle in the snow.
While man is banned from having a piddle in the snow because some green academic
believes it could bring the Antarctic to an environmental tipping point.
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January 17, 2016 4:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@fernglas

Ce n’est pas de ma faute Google gives rubbish translations. GIGO
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January 17, 2016 5:02pm
Captain Mainwaring

Wow, those baboons must be feeling pretty satisfied.
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January 17, 2016 5:10pm
notrotsky

@ Captain – The baboons have all topped themselves.
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January 17, 2016 5:16pm
Manolo

Will they be the final two?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-now-see-a-trump-cruz-race-with-time-for-a-shift-running-out/2016/01/15/9b5d91f0-bbb4-11e5-b682-4bb4dd403c7d_story.html
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January 17, 2016 5:18pm
Yoza

Odakyu-sen (2,627 comments) says:
January 17th, 2016 at 4:44 pm

Zed,

If the Left is “anti West” and Islam is “anti West” then Islam must not be criticized. Ends to a means and all that.

To be opposed to bigotry means one opposes bigotry regardless of its target. A person cannot be opposed to bigotry while supporting the bigotry directed at Muslims, it shouldn’t be too hard to understand.
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January 17, 2016 5:19pm
stephieboy

Odakyu sen ,oh dear you seem to have caught the Islamaphobic virus quite badly .The left ( whatever it might mean) cannot be blamed for the fallout from the Syrian civil war and the rise of ISIS in Iraq .Both of which have seen the Human catastrophe there and the Syrian refugee crises in Europe .Islam too can be hardly blamed for both and many of it’s adherents in the ME could retort that if it were not the Wests ceaseless interference that has led to the current tragedy .

I find it somewhat ironic that people like you who have traditionally being two faced when it comes to feminism and misogyny , now have become unwitting allies in the same cause directed against an allegedly anti female religion .I’ve thought for a long time , as you maybe fully aware , the rabid right have a lot more in common with the “religion of peace ” than they would ever dare to admit .

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January 17, 2016 5:29pm
mikenmild

Liberty votes for ignorance.
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January 17, 2016 5:35pm
publicwatchdog

Captain Mainwaring (669 comments) says:
January 17th, 2016 at 5:10 pm
Wow, those baboons must be feeling pretty satisfied.

Why are you feeling ‘pretty satisfied’ Captain Mainwaring?

😉

Kind regards

Her Warship 🙂
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January 17, 2016 5:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@stephieboy

Can you provide me with an example when Odakyu-sen has exhibited an anti-feminist or misogynist stance?

It seems to have escaped my notice…… and, trust me, I’m keeping notes.
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January 17, 2016 5:42pm
publicwatchdog

notrotsky (292 comments) says:
January 17th, 2016 at 5:16 pm
@ Captain – The baboons have all topped themselves.

Apparently not NoTrotsky / Northshoredoc?

Seems you’re still around.

😉

Kind regards

Her Warship 🙂
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January 17, 2016 5:44pm
freemark

http://mobile.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.php?c_id=1&objectid=11575252
A couple more boy racers bite the dust..oh dear how tragic. Actually I’m glad they won’t be around to take me and my dearest out.
5 hours later the road still blocked off. How long does it take these Police numpties to survey and photograph/video a crash site? Overtime rates for them maybe?
How much does it cost taxpayers, all these crashes?
Time for compulsory insurance I think..big premiums for high risk drivers, vehicles instantly impounded then sold if they don’t have it. Insurance companies can pay out the emergency services/hospitals etc and we’ll get more reasonable response at the scene.
So many fuckers getting in the way of my right to a safe & peaceful driving experience, nobody with any regard for taxpayer dollars.
Rant over for now…
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January 17, 2016 5:45pm
freemark

The only people I’ve seen use the word “misogyny” are limp wristed excuses for men, or feminazi types. It is a bulls hit word for a bullshit concept. Get over it.
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January 17, 2016 5:48pm
EAD

What a glorious summers day today here – understandably quiet day on GD.

Another typical days commentary focusing mainly on the “what” in regards to the civilisational crisis facing the Gentile countries of Europe with yet more horror stories emerging.

This, truth be told, is an intellectual dead end as we can all read the alt media (and sometimes the controlled MSM) to read about the atrocities. We all know what is going on, even poor Stephieboy.

What I’d like to see more of is the WHO is behind bringing the invaders to Europe, WHY it is being done and HOW they are facilitating it with their full on propaganda through the MSM, “hate speech” laws and their altering of reality of the inhabitants of Gentile countries through Social movements such as feminism.

Remember how for years Gaddafi warned us that he was the only person able to stop the gates of hell opening across the Mediterranean? Like Saddam before him and Assad now, he was overthrown with assistance from “the West” in full knowledge it would create a power vacuum in a tribalist society and chaos would ensue.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-16/after-me-jihad-gaddafi-tried-warn-west-nobody-listened

As most here are unwilling to go down the rabbit hole of “who”, let me offer an insight into the “who” might be because it becomes futile and rather tedious blaming the snakes (refugees) if they are only behaving like Snakes would, but instead focus on the snake delivery men. Below is the top rated comment from this Taki mag article:

http://takimag.com/article/the_cologne_cover_up_paul_wood/print#disqus_thread

Germany is controlled by the same group that overthrew Assad and starts these wars which create waves of human migration. Millions more are headed this way as more wars get started in the Middle East to create chaos. This calamity has been in the works for generations and it has been brought about to eliminate the white race. None of this is accidental, there will be no end to the millions of parasites that have been sent our way. Remember the ‘men of mystery’ who just happened to be in all those third-world nations when their revolutions began? They would appear on television lamenting the plight of some group or another in those “war ravaged lands”? How is it that every single one of them advocated multiculturalism and open immigration? They liked to present themselves as white, yet they hated whiteness. They had many names.

They were always telling us about how they were worrying themselves sick over democracy and human rights, demanding the West send its well-armed Christian soldiers to bring “humanitarian relief” to those who suffered injustice. Yet, they were all of the same group that started the conflict, funded the civil wars, bribed the leaders and grabbed the mineral wealth. Somehow, they could always be traced to central banking. They claimed to be bringing democracy, upholding human rights, protecting women and children. It was always a lie. They were bringing the plague. Now they are bringing us the plague in biblical proportions. After they seized the guns they brought the head choppers and demand we accept millions more.

They were the same ones that brought us abortion on demand, birth control, feminism, woman’s rights, gay rights, black empowerment and every single disease of Cultural Marxism. They presented all of this as social justice. They began all of these intellectual movements which had our youth following a hundred paths and every one of them lead to a dead end. That was the plan all along. Keep them confused, pervert the youth, send young women to indoctrination camps. Abort children, fill the streets with drugs and demand endless guilt from white men who were the only force that could rise up against international finance. Accuse white men of racism, blame them for the ‘Holocaust’, silence them with political correctness, threaten them with ‘Hate Legislation’. Impoverish white men with ‘Free Trade’. Ship the jobs to Mexico and China.

Now that they have weakened us with Hollywood filth and filled our nations with these dark angry parasites, the final act begins. Germany falls first, then Europe and America. They are preparing to destroy Russia in the same way they destroyed Germany the last time she resisted central banking. Let’s remind ourselves that the International Bank of Settlements was set up by the Rothschild Group after WW I to extract blood from an impoverished and defeated Germany. They are back again with their extermination plan. Germany Must Perish!

The feminists and social justice warriors are silent of course since they take direction from Soros Inc
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January 17, 2016 5:50pm
Manolo

Peace above all:
Survivors who escaped from the city centre Hotel Splendid and the nearby Cappuccino cafe told how the assailants struck just after 8.30pm as crowds were building on Friday evening (local time) firing into the air and crying “Allahu Akbar” before starting to execute people at point-blank.
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January 17, 2016 5:56pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

I’m fairly sure that when Alfred Shout performed those actions that led to the awarding of his VC, he did not have in mind that a century of years later, his bravery could be used as a reason to grant special privileges to Kiwi pedos, thugs, and cowards residing in Oz.
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January 17, 2016 5:57pm
mikenmild

Who is behind bringing the invaders to Europe

You’ve already told us many times, EAD. It’s the Jews, of course.
Now, what do you think we should do about the Jews?
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January 17, 2016 5:59pm
stephieboy

EAD, what I can gather from the telephone conversations with Tony Balir they’re on Gaddafi ‘s part rather self serving . He had his chances when the rebellion occurred and negotiate . But like Assad he inflexibly refused and went to attack and murder ‘the cockroaches “,

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110222/local/gaddafi-in-fighting-speech-i-will-not-give-up.351487
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January 17, 2016 6:08pm
dad4justice

“Now, what do you think we should do about the Jews?”

The question should be what should we do about you mikenmould?
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January 17, 2016 6:09pm
publicwatchdog

How many Kiwibloggers are familiar with this blog ‘Naked Capitalism’ – which is apparently one of the most widely read blogs of its type, in the world?

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/about

Naked Capitalism is not for the fainthearted.

Over time, I’ve come to conceive of Naked Capitalism as an effort to promote critical thinking through the medium of a finance and economics blog.

In December 2006, I started writing because there was an obvious underreporting in the US of the severity and extent of the underpricing of risk in all credit instruments.

It didn’t take any great insight to recognize that. It’s hard to state emphatically enough how obvious it was to someone with reasonable financial markets experience who simply read the Financial Times and Bloomberg that the official narrative was a crock.

It was not hard to discern that the unprecedented “wall of liquidity” and the conviction among professionals that they could nevertheless make a safe exit when the time was right was going to end badly. But what was novel about the unwinding was that instead of ratcheting down over a period of years, like Japan after its real estate and stock market bubbles, the international financial markets suffered increasingly severe seizures, culminating in the upheaval of September and October 2008.

As a result of this crisis, the ambit of “finance and economics” has widened considerably. The dislocations of that cataclysm did not lead to fundamental reforms but instead to concerted efforts to restore status quo ante. That approach had entrenched the position of powerful and often predatory large international financial institutions and exacerbated income inequality via stealth bailouts to crippled firms, which have the side effect of perpetuating the use of asset bubbles to compensate for stagnant worker wages.
…..”

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 17, 2016 6:10pm
stephieboy

Manolo, and did the Muslim population of Burkina Faso state ( 60% ) also participate in the Al Qaeda attack ?
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January 17, 2016 6:14pm
stigie

Good afternoon Kiwibloggers…

I hate being ignored OK…

So do keep up Kiwibloggers !~
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January 17, 2016 6:16pm
Zed

@Yoza

Islwm is not Muslems. That’s another problem you guys don’t get. I say Islam but you read Muslems! Bigotry is when I am against a group of people NOT an ideology
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January 17, 2016 6:16pm
stephieboy

Tea Party in the Sonora

For the future of G.O.P. governance, look to Arizona

By Ken Silverstein

“…The general unsightliness of the capitol makes it a fitting home for today’s Arizona legislature, which is composed almost entirely of dimwits, racists, and cranks.Collectively they have bankrupted the state through a combination of ideological fanaticism on the Republican right and acquiescence and timidity on the part of G.O.P. moderates and Democrats. Although dozens of states are facing budget crises, the situation in Arizona is arguably the nation’s worst, graver even than in California. A horrific budget deficit has been papered over with massive borrowing and accounting gimmickry, and the state may yet have to issue IOUs to employees and vendors. All-day kindergarten has been eliminated statewide, and some districts have adopted a four-day school week. Arizona’s state parks, despite bringing in 2 million visitors and $266 million annually, have lost 80 percent of their budget, with up to two thirds of the parks now in danger of closure. The legislature slashed the budget for the Department of Revenue, which required the agency to fire hundreds of state auditors and tax collectors; lawmakers boasted that these measures saved $25 million, but a top official in the department estimated that the state would miss out on $174 million in tax collections as a result.

Any way out of Arizona’s crisis will require raising taxes, a move that is tantamount to heresy for most lawmakers. For nearly a year, the legislature refused to approve the emergency sales-tax increase (of just one cent per dollar) proposed by Governor Jan Brewer, a Republican who had been elected as secretary of state but assumed the top job in 2009 when Janet Napolitano joined the Obama Administration. Eventually, lawmakers passed the buck to voters by authorizing a May 18 statewide ballot on the sales tax—which passed, after a $2.2 million marketing effort by education and business groups—but before doing so they enacted tax cuts that over four years will deprive the state of more money than the sales-tax increase is estimated to bring in.
Instead, to raise cash, the legislature has pursued a series of wild sell-offs and budget cuts. It privatized the capitol building and leased it back from its new owner, an arrangement that brought in substantial revenue but over time will cost Arizona far more. The legislature has sold off numerous other state properties at bargain prices, and has put up future lottery revenues as collateral on a $450 million loan. Meanwhile, Arizona removed more than 300,000 adults from state health coverage and terminated one health-care program for 47,000 poor children. Funding was slashed at the agency that deals with reports of child abuse and neglect, and also at Children’s Rehabilitative Services, so that parents of children with cystic fibrosis, cerebral palsy, and a number of other conditions are now required to pay 100 percent of treatment costs…”

http://harpers.org/archive/2010/07/tea-party-in-the-sonora/
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January 17, 2016 6:32pm
starboard

I don’t understand why mm and stiffybot are continuously down ticked..not just sometimes, but all the time..I just don’t get it.
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January 17, 2016 6:35pm
dad4justice

I understand starboard everybody knows that mouldlymike and stiffybot have a relationship much like Norman Bates had with his poor mother.
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January 17, 2016 6:43pm
nasska

I don’t understand why mikenmild gets downticked as often as he does. He comments from a left wing point of view but at least he’s a social liberal, literate & sane.

The half wit although does nothing but lick smelly Islamic arse & misquote his fellow commenters.
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January 17, 2016 6:52pm
mikenmild

Thanks nasska. Maybe if I made up some stories about holidays in Thailand or serving in Vietnam I could be as popular as starboard/dirty harry.
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January 17, 2016 6:56pm
Yoza

Zed (14 comments) says:
January 17th, 2016 at 6:16 pm

@Yoza

Islwm is not Muslems. That’s another problem you guys don’t get. I say Islam but you read Muslems! Bigotry is when I am against a group of people NOT an ideology

Muslims are adherents of Islam. Like most religions Islam is open to interpretation. Christianity and Judaism have some pretty whacky practitioners who carry on in ways not too dissimilar to the more conservative extremes within Islam. Christians and Jews, generally, are not held accountable for the activities of the extremes within their communities in the manner expected of Muslims. Which is why the reflexive condemning of Muslims generally, for the activities of extreme groups within their ranks, reeks of bigotry.
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January 17, 2016 6:57pm
dad4justice

he’s a social liberal, literate & sane.”

Surely you jest Hillbilly?
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January 17, 2016 6:59pm
notrotsky

I see the noted liar and all round purveyor of falsehoods has resorted to flippancy.

Just saying.

Notrotsky
Pubic Watchdog and scobberlotcher
Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2016
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January 17, 2016 7:00pm
Inandout

Yoza: No it reeks of realism because bad acting Muslims far outweigh bad acting Christian ones. Our whole fucking world at the moment is being turned upside down by bad bastard Muslims, and the so called ‘moderates’ just stay mute, or squeak a little if pushed for comment. They invariably add at the end, ‘but the US is to blame’. A pox on Islam.
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January 17, 2016 7:07pm
publicwatchdog

notrotsky (293 comments) says:
January 17th, 2016 at 7:00 pm
I see the noted liar and all round purveyor of falsehoods has resorted to flippancy.
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Really Northshoredoc / NoTrotsky?

When did you resort to ‘flippancy’?

I guess it makes a change from telling fibs?

Kind regards

😉

Her Warship
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January 17, 2016 7:15pm
sooty

Penny@6.20. Naked capitalism? Is that you with no clothes on!
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January 17, 2016 7:17pm
Yoza

Inandout (1,819 comments) says:
January 17th, 2016 at 7:07 pm

Yoza: No it reeks of realism because bad acting Muslims far outweigh bad acting Christian ones. Our whole fucking world at the moment is being turned upside down by bad bastard Muslims, and the so called ‘moderates’ just stay mute, or squeak a little if pushed for comment. They invariably add at the end, ‘but the US is to blame’. A pox on Islam.

Something like 97% of the victims of Muslim terrorism are Muslims, this trope that moderate Muslims are quietly standing by watching is just another example of the bigotry aimed at Muslims generally.
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January 17, 2016 7:20pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

Please learn the difference between two words – you’ve been making a mistake for months now. A “warship” is a battleship. “Your worship” is an honorific term. Now, if you were to become mayor, would you insist on the honorific term, or could we just call you “Penny”?
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January 17, 2016 7:22pm
Zed

@Yoza

You are partially right. Islam us indeed open for interpretations BUT not its fundamental values.Christias stopped burning witches ages ago, Jews and Christians do not kill apostates even though the old testament demands it yet apostacy is not allowed at best in Islamic countries and punishable in the rest.

Again, being anti-islam is just like being anti-capitalisim or any other ideology. if you refuse to distinguish between the person and the
ideology then i can use your logic and call you a Christian-hating bigot whenever you criticise Christianity
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January 17, 2016 7:23pm
notrotsky

I see the noted liar and all round purveyor of falsehoods continues to resort to flippancy.

Notrotsky
Pubic Watchdog and scobberlotcher
Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2016
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January 17, 2016 7:28pm
Manolo

The diabolical cocktail of Africa and Islam will keep those countries in the ninth century forever. Tribalism and Allah, the perfect recipe for disaster.
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January 17, 2016 7:33pm
Nookin

Hi Chuck. I googled the Hakarimata range and it looks beautiful. Maybe one day. No native bush for me today. 1300 meter climb to an altitude of 1550 meters and some of the best views of the southern alps/lakes district that you could ever hope to see. I suspect that by the time I get to explore NI it will be on two wheels rather than two grumpy old legs and a knee on a count down.
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January 17, 2016 7:33pm
Viking2

Sir Leslie Bottocks (229 comments) says:
January 17th, 2016 at 5:57 pm

I’m fairly sure that when Alfred Shout performed those actions that led to the awarding of his VC, he did not have in mind that a century of years later, his bravery could be used as a reason to grant special privileges to Kiwi pedos, thugs, and cowards residing in Oz.
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Well like many in his day they did all sorts of stuff that would have transgressed our current multitude of regulations.

Like many you assume that all these people being deported are like that. some are not even Kiwi’s. Yep the info is out there.
Some are not and it’s simply appalling to toss out to a foreign country someone who has lived almost all their lives in the host country. Being trained and educated by the host country and shipped to an unsuspecting destination because of a a failure of paper work.
(Kinda like having a 50 year old house without a council consent because back then it didn’t matter.)

But then you can welcome them into your home and neighborhood. I just don’t want them in mine.

And if you engaged your tiny mind to the subject you could almost understand the logic of why I don’t want them.
Then of course you may be one living here that perhaps needs to be deported to whence you came.
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January 17, 2016 7:54pm
Salacious Crumb

Ms Bright,

I understand you are busy with your anti-corruption watch dogging and mayoral campaign so you no doubt missed my question to you yesterday. I am interested in your response to Keeping Stocks question re John Banks from the General Debate thread from 15/1. To remind you;

“Did you ever apologise to him for all the slander after the High Court allowed his appeal against his trumped-up conviction? After all, he too was entitled to the presumption of innocence when your mate McCready relentlessly went after him (and lost). Where was “innocent until PROVEN guilty” when you were signing posts off “Dodgy John has gone”?”

Thanks in advance.
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January 17, 2016 8:03pm
Captain Mainwaring

Keep counting the downticks, Mrs. Straightjacket-dodger.
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January 17, 2016 8:15pm
Tauhei Notts

I note that a book will be available from about 15th May named “The Welfare Trait”
This book will have the commentators on National Socialist Radio all frothing at the mouth.
I note it makes reference to the Dunedin Studies, whatever they may be.
…………..
Three days ago Trump was the marginal favourite in the betting for the Republican nomination. He has now shortened to the firm favourite. But Hillary’s odds for November are unaffected by that surge in Trump’s popularity. She’s still the $1.95 favourite. I hope I am not boring you all with these snippets from the betting market. My warped mind finds them fascinating.
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January 17, 2016 8:28pm
starboard

Filthy low life, we all know don’t we..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/75965810/police-reveal-brutal-beating-of-te-atatu-grandmother-in-botched-burglary
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January 17, 2016 8:41pm
notrotsky

@ captain – you should not assume she can count.
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January 17, 2016 8:44pm
starboard

‘dem muslims, they just misunderstood..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/75970763/malaysian-police-foil-suicide-blast-hours-before-planned-attack-in-kuala-lumpur
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January 17, 2016 8:44pm
Nookin

Guptil and Williamson, batting together, make cricket a very attractive entertainment.
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January 17, 2016 9:03pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Not Friday Nookin, looking the goods tonight. Williamson showing his class under the pressure of a big loss.
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January 17, 2016 9:35pm
Nookin

Interesting that two comments that I have made today have received downticks. One was a ositive enough comment in response to a personal message from Chuck Bird. The other was an positive observation about cricket. Then we have Nasska’s observation about mm receiving constant downticks regardlee of the comments that he makes.

Dad’s response to Nasska’s comment probably indicates the mentality of mm’s critics.
Not that it really matters a great deal, but it is interesting to contemplate the mentality of those who downtick comments such as those that I have made.
Possibilities include:
1 Said downticker thinks I am an utter plonker (and may be right).
2. Said downticker is so utterly absorbed in her/her own agenda that it is an anathema to find that others have other pleasures in life.
3. Said down ticker hates the idea of me/anyone enjoying themselves.
4. Said downticker is a petty minded vindictive troll who sits slobbering over the keyboard meraphorically sticking pins in people who have upset him/her.

I suspect number 4. Well, whoever it is, I had a truly wonderful day in the sun and enjoyed scenery unsurpassed anywhere. I am thoroughly enjoying the cricket. And you can get stuffed.
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January 17, 2016 9:36pm
Nookin

Indeed Nostagia. There is a very pleasing grace about the way they bat.
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January 17, 2016 9:37pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Good climb Nookin, by the way.
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January 17, 2016 9:43pm
Nookin

It has been 15 years since I last did it, Nostalgia. I must do it more often.
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January 17, 2016 9:47pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Makes it all the better to have done it again after so long Nookin, there is much treasure in such things.
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January 17, 2016 9:52pm
Nookin

Indeed. And now to bed where I will sleep contentedly. Enjoy the rest of your night.
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January 17, 2016 9:57pm
Inandout

Yoza 7.20:

‘Something like 97% of the victims of Muslim terrorism are Muslims, this trope that moderate Muslims are quietly standing by watching is just another example of the bigotry aimed at Muslims generally’.

No Yoza, we are all victims of Muslim terrorism, every time we enter an airport almost anywhere in the world, where once travel was a relaxing pastime it is now an ordeal; and it is going to get worse before it gets better.
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January 17, 2016 10:00pm
Yoza

Inandout (1,820 comments) says:
January 17th, 2016 at 10:00 pm

Yoza 7.20:

‘Something like 97% of the victims of Muslim terrorism are Muslims, this trope that moderate Muslims are quietly standing by watching is just another example of the bigotry aimed at Muslims generally’.

No Yoza, we are all victims of Muslim terrorism, every time we enter an airport almost anywhere in the world, where once travel was a relaxing pastime it is now an ordeal; and it is going to get worse before it gets better.

You are seriously equating being inconvenienced at an airport with people being killed or maimed?
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January 17, 2016 10:15pm
stephieboy

I think Inandout suffers what we may call apocalyptic paranoia syndrome with a desperate manic stare, mumbling and fidgeting incoherently at check in.
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January 17, 2016 10:52pm
Jack5

Re one of the Stephieboy’s posts at 10.52:

Inandout suffers what we may call apocalyptic paranoia syndrome with a desperate manic stare, mumbling and fidgeting incoherently at check in.

Stephieboy, that sounds like you are running Inandout through a suicide bomber recruitment psychology check list. No use trying to convert Inandout then, is there?

Time all you Stephieboys were in bed. First prayer’s early in the morning.
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January 17, 2016 11:08pm
Manolo

Getting ready for Clinton’s coronation:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEM_2016_STATE_OF_PLAY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-16-09-12-18
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January 17, 2016 11:50pm
Viking2

Well it’s all true.
apparently if you get beaten by the Nun’s you become tough.

Dame Kiri Te Kanawa says beatings by school nuns made her ‘tough’

Dame Kiri Te Kanawa has revealed the abuse she suffered at the hands of school nuns as a child – but says it helped make her the tough performer she is today.

The opera star stunned a Whanganui audience with the revelation during a speaking event with opera singer and Baptist Church minister, Rodney McCann, the Whanganui Chronicle reported.

“I am as tough as I am today because from age 12, when I was at a convent school in Auckland, I was beaten by the nuns,” she told a crowd of several hundred fans.

“You have to be tough in the opera world or you are not going to make it. Just because you can sing an aria does not make you an opera singer.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/75972579/dame-kiri-te-kanawa-says-beatings-by-school-nuns-made-her-tough
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So what is she telling us?

that BEATING PEOPLE IS OK?
bECUASE THAT IS HOW IT READS.
AND IMHO IT’S NEVER OK

And the law says so as well.

Now that may not be what she really wanted to say but this Lady is media savvy so a very bad look or she is going senial.

Still it tells us a lot about Nuns and the abuse they dished out and maybe still do.
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