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starboard

Penny, I’ve said it many times before in jest to a couple of posters on this site..but you madam are absolutely the result of what happens when 2 cousins sleep together.

Good day.
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January 14, 2016 12:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Well this is disturbing news for the Hagarphiles.

It appears Kiwiblog is the political platform for an Auckland Mayoral Candidate who is NOT connected to the National Party.

Thank goodness Stephieboy, Mikenmild, etc are on deck here and can help steer me in the RIGHT path.

(p.s. Calendargirl and Lucia Maria…. I know I’m naughty SHOUTING, but I am a silly old girl).
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January 14, 2016 12:39pm
B.L.Zeebub

Any chance David,you could add to the `report abusive comment’ spot a `report spam ‘ button?
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January 14, 2016 12:40pm
thedavincimode

Seems to have gone for the moment. Whose turn to hose the shit off the walls?
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January 14, 2016 12:43pm
All_on_Red

Al Jazeera America is closing down in April. No great loss
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January 14, 2016 12:45pm
Nookin

KS

I strongly suspect that GCSB and SIS conspired with the survey organisers to include Penelope in order to get insight into her subliminal thinking.
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January 14, 2016 12:46pm
thedavincimode

Maggy

She kinda scored an own goal there – she’s implicitly admitting that nobody bothers to visit her own blog to view all the shit she flings at the walls, so has to come here to chuck it about.
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January 14, 2016 12:50pm
Paulus

Does the expression ABC mean now Anybody But Clinton ?
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January 14, 2016 12:50pm
Jacob

Nookin –
You accord her too much importance, as she herself so often does
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January 14, 2016 12:55pm
RF

mikenmild. 11.14pm

Re DC / Halbergs.

You are correct. My bad. I am now wallowing in the depths of depression. How could I be so wrong.

The little prick will win.
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January 14, 2016 1:02pm
Lucia Maria

Maggy,

I don’t mind if you shout. Sometimes you need to just let it all out.
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January 14, 2016 1:06pm
SPC

Apparently group conformity makes the collective dumber. It certainly explains what happens when religion is dominant in governance of a society or when government is dominant in the media.

And a warning re blogs.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160113-are-your-opinions-really-your-own
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January 14, 2016 1:18pm
Nookin

Jacob

She was branded by no less than Muldoon as a subversive, dontcha know. She told us herself and so it must be true.
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January 14, 2016 1:20pm
DJP6-25

All_on_Red 12:45 pm. That’s good news. I wonder when it’ll be CNNs turn?
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January 14, 2016 1:23pm
sooty

I do not agree that you should go some where else because of Penny. She is an idiot and everyone should call her out at every chance. She is deluded if she thinks that posting here helps her election chances. I would say that she drives more people away from her vote. I do not think her voters are on this blog, maybe she should look else where. I think that she has over stayed her welcome at the standard, which means where does she go. By the response she has been getting here she is not welcome any more.
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January 14, 2016 1:33pm
billmurray

Penny, you should take serious note of what ‘Fernglass’ said at 9.57am.

General Debate is an ordinary people debate page.

Fernglass is trying to assist you to be more effective, read it again.

Positive Visualization will help your cause,

all the best.
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January 14, 2016 1:37pm
cha

heh

Matt O’Brien Verified account
‏@ObsoleteDogma

There’s nothing Trump hates more than losers, but, statistically-speaking, that’s what his supporters are https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/13/this-may-be-the-most-important-chart-for-understanding-politics-today/ …

https://twitter.com/ObsoleteDogma/status/687329298915672064
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January 14, 2016 1:41pm
alex Masterley

ciaron,
No, not a difficult guess.we may have crossed paths.
I was doing both Race management specifically match racing and sailing in first division then.
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January 14, 2016 2:03pm
Kiwi Dave

Akaroa, I too used to read some of her posts and occasionally uptick her comments because anyone demanding accountability from Auckland City Council couldn’t be entirely wrong; now, for reasons given by others today, I not only scroll past any post headed publicwatchdog, but also jump past any reply. Other posters here with whom I often disagree at least provide interesting links from time to time which expand my knowledge, but Penny…. life’s too short.
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January 14, 2016 2:20pm
Shawn Herles

New Yorkers Can Now Be Fined $250,000 For Not Using Loony Gender Pronouns Like “Ze” And “Hir”

“New guidelines issued for New York City “anti-discrimination” laws now permit a $250,000 fine for “maliciously” not using someone’s prefered gender pronoun. The New York Commission on Human Rights has made some fabulous errors previously, but this is by far the worst. Preposterously, these pronouns include “ze” or “hir” for people who opt for “gender-neutral” identities.

So if a person says “use ze for me instead of she” and you refuse to more than a couple of times, you are guilty of malicious or wanton misgendering and liable for the $250,000 fine.”

http://www.returnofkings.com/77188/new-yorkers-can-now-be-fined-250000-for-not-using-loony-pronouns-like-ze-and-hir

The Liberal-Left is not a valid alternative pov, it is a disease, a cancer that must be removed from the body of the West.
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January 14, 2016 2:21pm
Shawn Herles

If You Proclaim White People As “Awful,” You’re Good Enough For Harvard’s PhD Program

“Holly Michelle Wood’s Harvard dissertation focuses on the dating habits of Boston’s singles. She wants to dissect the modern trials of going out.

— Boston Magazine illustrating why fewer and fewer folks are reading Boston Magazine

Harvard PhD candidate Holly Michelle Wood, an anti-free speech extremist (i.e. anything that doesn’t accord with her politics is blatant harassment, racism or sexism), has resorted to repeatedly calling white people “animals.” Hers is a name many readers will be familiar with after the sensational, ideologically motivated Twitter unverification of Milo Yiannopoulos. Feminists have accused Yiannopoulos of “harassing” women by simply retweeting their butthurt responses to his work, including a recent article on start-up guru Paul Graham.

Graham’s quite frankly common sense views on how capitalism and wealth inequality provide the incentive for entrepreneurship and innovation stirred intense hatred. Thousands were sent into a rabid frenzy because Graham, who has operated in the real world and not cloistered avant-garde communes populated by trust fund babies and other socially insulated individuals, made sensible claims that challenge the basic political platform of SJWs.

These are just two of Holly Michelle Wood’s most recent rants on her Twitter profile:

White people are animals. https://t.co/ZEkMv0uPmS

— holly wood (@girlziplocked) January 9, 2016

White people are awful! Look at Donald Trump or David Cameron! Ugh beasts. https://t.co/SFAzs61Sl3

— holly wood (@girlziplocked) January 9, 2016

Try tweeting “Black people are awful! Look at Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe!” and see how Twitter responds.

And here is the original unacceptable misogyny supposedly engaged in by Yiannopoulos towards Holly Michelle Wood:

How feminists respond to my journalism. Today’s example: @girlziplocked pic.twitter.com/VZPEGR2A5S

— Milo Yiannopoulos (@Nero) January 7, 2016

After his very violent screencapping of what Holly Michelle Wood herself had said, fellow feminist Catrin Cooper sounded the misogyny alarm:

.@Support, @Jack, How many more women does this guy’s account need to target before you do something? pic.twitter.com/ytinO5nXUK

— Catrin Cooper (@catrincooper) January 7, 2016

With Holly Michelle Wood having tweeted publicly her response to Yiannopoulos’ article, she and Catrin Cooper alleged that he was engaging in harassment by simply redistributing her non-private announcement.

Then along came white knight and Twitter manager Michael Margolis, a Hillary Clinton supporter and long-term Yiannopoulos hater, who also follows Anita Sarkeesian and tranny Brianna Wu, among others:

@catrincooper @Support @jack reporting him now

— Michael Margolis (@yipe) January 8, 2016

After I asked Catrin Cooper how Milo’s tweets were harassing, she promptly blocked me.”

http://www.returnofkings.com/77408/if-you-proclaim-white-people-as-awful-youre-good-enough-for-harvards-phd-program
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January 14, 2016 2:30pm
mikenmild

I hope you remembered to shower after visiting Return of Kings, Shawn.
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January 14, 2016 2:36pm
cha

Shawn a PUA, really?.
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January 14, 2016 2:43pm
publicwatchdog

Oh Calendar Girl!

You’re SO cute 🙂

SO ‘engaging’ – as it were?

A bet a lot of the boy Kiwibloggers think you’re a real ‘lady’ ?

Especially when you obviously share so many similar political views?

However – do be careful that you don’t upset other (adult?) Kiwibloggers – like Minus, Sofia and Yvette – who are now apparently ‘boycotting’ my posts and, as I understand it, want others to join them?

However (yawn), my experience is that others have made similar claims, and not kept their word (as do decent folk), so, in my view, if the above-mentioned don’t understand or practice the Liberterian principle of support for ‘freedom of expression’ – so be it.

BYE BYE!

(For now …. 😉

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 14, 2016 2:45pm
starboard

This is “Breaking News ” ??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/75896706/drunk-driver-carrying-three-kids-two-unrestrained-shocks-police.

Massive “Breaking News ” headline on stuff…

Overboard much..
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January 14, 2016 2:49pm
Captain Mainwaring

Ah, she’s back, and my downticks have arrived.
Coincidence much?
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January 14, 2016 2:52pm
freemark

Hey purported Public Watchdog, purportedly non-Corrupt, purported to have not stolen money from the other Occupy Loons..
Is there some kind of pointless protest/march/demonstration/screeching match organised for the 19th Jan?
Because I’d love to C U Next Tuesday..
Meant in the most scathing & dismissive way possible of course.
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January 14, 2016 2:57pm
Liberty

“Obama is the biggest gun salesmen in US history”
What a really stupid statement.
It is well known Obama wants more gun control.
He is hamstrung by rednecks.
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January 14, 2016 2:57pm
Shawn Herles

“I hope you remembered to shower after visiting Return of Kings, Shawn.”

No, only after talking to you mikey.
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January 14, 2016 3:05pm
mikenmild

Have you got any good pick-up artist advice to share with the group after browsing Return of Kings, Shawn?
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January 14, 2016 3:06pm
Shawn Herles

“It is well known Obama wants more gun control.”

Which is why gun sales are rising rapidly.

“He is hamstrung by rednecks.”

He is hamstrung by the majority of US citizens who disagree with him.
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January 14, 2016 3:07pm
Shawn Herles

“Have you got and good pick-up artist advice to share”

Sorry, there is no help for you mikey. The vast majority of women just are not interested in “male” feminists who use wimmin instead of women.

Have you considered trolling gay bars instead?
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January 14, 2016 3:10pm
mikenmild

An overwhelming majority of Americans agree with Obama’s (rather tepid) proposals to tighten gun control.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/05/5-facts-about-guns-in-the-united-states/
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January 14, 2016 3:12pm
mikenmild

Shawn
I don’t ‘use’ women or wimmin. Return of Kings is certainly the place for you if that is your thing.
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January 14, 2016 3:14pm
cha

Premature warjaculation’…..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYn9HJqWYAACwZP.jpg
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January 14, 2016 3:15pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, Pamela Geller , Robert Spencer and you seem to be at home with Islam’s attitude towards gays and gay marriage ?
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January 14, 2016 3:25pm
twofish

Sofia, Minus, and Yvette say they will not play Penny’s sily games any more.
That they “want others to join them” is the sort of fucking lie Penny makes up, but so be it.
I will also see if I am enriched by going Penny-less.
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January 14, 2016 3:31pm
Captain Mainwaring

freemark @2.57.
Post of the day so far. Brilliant.
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January 14, 2016 3:42pm
kowtow

Political satire . What’s the problem?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/charlie-hebdo-cartoon-dead-syrian-child-sparks-anger-160113220351000.html
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January 14, 2016 4:14pm
cha

Citizenship, electoral finance shenanigans – the knives are out for poor wee Rafael.

As Ted Cruz tells it, the story of how he financed his upstart campaign for the United States Senate four years ago is an endearing example of loyalty and shared sacrifice between a married couple.

“Sweetheart, I’d like us to liquidate our entire net worth, liquid net worth, and put it into the campaign,” he says he told his wife, Heidi, who readily agreed.

But the couple’s decision to pump more than $1 million into Mr. Cruz’s successful Tea Party-darling Senate bid in Texas was made easier by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, where Mrs. Cruz works. That loan was not disclosed in campaign finance reports.

[…]

A review of personal financial disclosures that Mr. Cruz filed later with the Senate does not find a liquidation of assets that would have accounted for all the money he spent on his campaign. What it does show, however, is that in the first half of 2012, Ted and Heidi Cruz obtained the low-interest loan from Goldman Sachs, as well as another one from Citibank. The loans totaled as much as $750,000 and eventually increased to a maximum of $1 million before being paid down later that year. There is no explanation of their purpose.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/politics/ted-cruz-wall-street-loan-senate-bid-2012.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=57236604&pgtype=Homepage&_r=0
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January 14, 2016 4:22pm
AgentBallSack

Kiwibloggers should make an effort to not speak to or allude to anything Penny says until Kimbo gets off his ban. I have already decided she is not worth responding to, she thinks she has a right to troll here and while it was DPFs choice to ban Kimbo, Penny reporting him and starting a shit storm proves she shouldn’t be allowed to play with the adults until she learns some fucking respect.

So in respect of Kimbos ban, lets not even acknowledge her presence until it is over.
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January 14, 2016 4:26pm
Awww C-mon

ABS, I am torn by your suggestion. While it is a solid idea to ignore Penny there are times when her bullshit needs to be called out. Then again she ignores the questions that are valid or responds in a very childish manner.

I will try but no promises!!
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January 14, 2016 4:38pm
Liberty

Shawn Herles
No Abama is hamstrung by misinformed Republicans
Who hide behind the Constitutional right 2nd amendment. That has a miserable
2% support
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/05/5-facts-about-guns-in-the-united-states/
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January 14, 2016 4:41pm
EAD

Another example of the conspiracy by the controlled MSM as German TV channel honour victims of Istanbul attack by superimposing an Islamic crescent moon on the German Flag.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/13/germanys-tele5-tv-channel/

This is about as logical as incorporating a hammer and sickle onto to a flag to commemorate the 20m+ murdered by the Bolsheviks
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January 14, 2016 4:45pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Penny Bright : However – do be careful that you don’t upset other (adult?) Kiwibloggers – like Minus, Sofia and Yvette – who are now apparently ‘boycotting’ my posts and, as I understand it, want others to join them?

“boycotting”? – no, not one of them have said that, so wrong

“want others to join them?” – no, fucking wrong again, not one of them have advocated that.

AgentBallSack, since your comment, suggests different. His deal.

All the others seem to have done [Twofish now included] is declared a belief that responding to you is an utter waste of time. And will refrain from doing that.

Very infrequently did I comment, but I agree with them and, ipso facto, will not bother to bother myself about you or your issues again.
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January 14, 2016 4:50pm
EAD

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history” – George Orwell

From the you just couldn’t make it up file – yet another classic example of the conspiracy – the re-writing of history to suit the elites agenda as British students to be taught that Africans were the nation’s first inhabitants!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3392088/GCSE-pupils-taught-nation-s-earliest-5-Africans-Britain-English.html#ixzz3wqVcQXlb

Of course we’ve seen this before even here in NZ with Michael Kings great re-write of NZ history becoming the default propogagnda tool, used to hammer Whitey over the head to render them helpless in the handover of this country to the special people. I mean how can we object to the never ending treaty gravy train when the apparently evil early English Settlers disturbed the technologically advanced, peaceful, culturally advanced living as one with nature Maori Settlers who got here first 🙂
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January 14, 2016 5:05pm
mikenmild

At least they didn’t claim the Jews were there first, EAD. Unless you believe the myths about Joseph of Arimithea.
I’d be interested if you could identify factual errors in King’s history though.
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January 14, 2016 5:09pm
EAD

You just can’t resist yourself can you Slimy
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January 14, 2016 5:10pm
publicwatchdog

Oh some of you Kiwibloggers are SUCH old silly billies 🙂

Where are all the GENUINE Liberterian Kiwibloggers – who in defence of the principle of ‘freedom of expression’ are going, on principle, to continue to read AND comment on my posts?

Let me guess ….

Captain Mainwaring
Lucia Maria
Freemark
Keeping Stock
Nookin

….for starters ….

OK – I didn’t say these were necessarily going to be high quality, reasoned and considered posts, in response to mine – but – in my view, you above-mentioned Kiwibloggers will quite simply not be able to ‘contain yourselves’?

We shall see …

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 14, 2016 5:11pm
billmurray

AgentbBallsack:

I understand that Penny said she would report him if he did not apologise, Kimbo did not apologise, David moved in BEFORE he received any complaint.

Kimbo you have paid your penalty, an apology is not required.

Over to you.
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January 14, 2016 5:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

“Kids huffing fly spray when car goes up in flames – police”

Huntly. ’nuff said.
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January 14, 2016 5:17pm
publicwatchdog

“Kiwibloggers should make an effort to not speak to or allude to anything Penny says until Kimbo gets off his ban. I have already decided she is not worth responding to, she thinks she has a right to troll here and while it was DPFs choice to ban Kimbo, Penny reporting him and starting a shit storm proves she shouldn’t be allowed to play with the adults until she learns some fucking respect.

So in respect of Kimbos ban, lets not even acknowledge her presence until it is over.”

Actually – the FACTS are that I hadn’t reported Kimbo – before Kiwiblog host David Farrar gave him three strikes and a week off, for his unacceptable post.

So – in your view – Kimbo shouldn’t have been ‘banned’ for stating that I was a ‘nasty disrespectful c**t?

Please clarify – particularly for Maggie’s benefit?

Thanks!

Penny Bright
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January 14, 2016 5:18pm
stigie

Who cares Penny, go and have a nice pork chop for dinner and smell the roses FFS !~
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January 14, 2016 5:26pm
fernglas

The fact that Penny constantly repeats what Kimbo said suggests that it didn’t offend her one iota. If that is so, she should do the decent thing and ask Farrar to reinstate him forthwith. Or does she want $300,000 for this as well?
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January 14, 2016 5:28pm
EAD

Mouldymike, being a public servant, I’m guessing you’ve been indoctrinated in the Te Papa view of history so you’re probably beyond redemption.

Criticisms of the book of the top of my head (I read this many moons ago as a schoolboy )

– lack of a bibliography (perhaps not a surprising omission considering the scope of a non fiction historical book). His recommendations for further reading were soley for post 1970 authors recent like himself, more interested in promoting an agenda rather than the truth
– the book failed to read any of the tribal histories easily available that clearly reveal Maori colonised an inhabited country – he mentions this but discounts it entirely with no explanation
– He fabricated the reason for the Land Wars based upon the mistaken belief that Maori were being overwhelmed by migrating Europeans which is erroneous (the Land Wars started when Europeans were then but a tiny % of NZ’s population). The reasons for the Land Wars was more complex and not raced based – Maori vs European – ignoring the fact that many Maori tribes fought with European forces against Maori
– And of course, as I alluded to above, the portrayal of Maori as peaceful, culturally advanced environmentalists when the reality was they were violent, canabilistic, infanticidal primitives who lived short, brutal lives (and killed off the Moa bird – so much for living at our end with nature!).

I suggest you read Peter Maxwells book “Frontier” as a start rather than everything you are told at your government department diversity training workshops and/or the latest exhibition of revisionist agenda driven history at Te Papa
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January 14, 2016 5:34pm
renderer

ABS @ 4:26 Im with you
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January 14, 2016 5:34pm
publicwatchdog

Ok Kiwibloggers – what’s YOUR favourite definition of Liberterian?

libertarian Translate Button
[lib-er-tair-ee-uh n]
noun
1. a person who advocates liberty, especially with regard to thought or conduct.

2.a person who maintains the doctrine of free will (distinguished from necessitarian ).
_____________________________________________

I’m not actually a Liberterian myself – but I DO believe in ‘freedom of expression’.

In fact – I have taken my conviction in support of ‘freedom of expression’ to the point of conviction – on several occasions.)

Are there actually ANY Liberterians who regularly post on Kiwiblog – apart from host David Farrar?

Not seeing a lot of comments promising to ‘die in ditches’ (and the like) in order to protect MY (lawful) right to ‘freedom of expression’?

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 14, 2016 5:35pm
Awww C-mon

Yeah, can’t do it ABS.

I have moments Penny when I am sincerely worried about you, true they last about 5mins before I write something crass, but I do have them.

For your own good get away from this site for awhile. Go walking, enjoy the bird life, Have a good coffee with better friends. Smell the roses as such. Life is too short and time too precious to spend like you are here engaging in and with negativity.
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January 14, 2016 5:38pm
Lucia Maria

Keep talking, Penny. Make it more and more obvious you are just here to troll.
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January 14, 2016 5:41pm
stigie

It grows tiresome where you cant be bothered…..

Cant remember who said that now, just sayin !~
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January 14, 2016 5:41pm
RF

I used to enjoy visiting this site and if I felt inclined joined in the robust banter. In fact when I turned on my iPad/ computer this is where I came first.

Since a certain Auckland mayoral candidate started to take over this site to push her own interests I amongst others have had a guts full of her ramblings and the spark has gone…. This person feeds on any attention she can get be it positive or negative.

The ball is in David’s court now as he has the ability to return the site back to its former glory and not be hijacked by someone who is delusional and seriously does not have a snow ball chance in hell of being mayor of the largest city in NZ. A female version of Don Quixote.
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January 14, 2016 5:41pm
stephieboy

EAD, can you provide some more information about Peter Maxwell ? All I can get is one solitary review of his 2000 book ,

http://www.amazon.com/Frontier-battle-Island-Zealand-1860-1872/dp/1877252034

Have you actually read Michael King’s History of NZ ? Keith Sinclair’s too ?
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January 14, 2016 5:43pm
AgentBallSack

I think Penny you grossly over reacted to what Kimbo said, foul language or not. In GD the next day I called starboard exactly the same and no warning or strike was offered to me. The fact that after Kimbo said what he did ~ you then went on a major copy and flame war against him and inflamed the situation until DPF stepped in and stopped it.
The irony is, is that while you as a private person, could claim to be offended by the words, you as a public person should be well inured to abuse. Like Key having to wear the “FJK” rant at Internet Parties and put up with people saying they are going to rape his daughter.
I fully believe that you are capable of doing so and your meltdown at Kimbo was not due to him calling you a cunt, rather him calling you out and owning you on every fucking thing you say.
And I actually respect what you do in respect to your protesting and trying to hold organisations to account. But I don’t like the way you go about doing it (and advising us of it). Same as when Reid starts calling everyone here stoopid and sheeple, it does nothing but agitate the monkeys in the crowd.

Yes this is a liberal blog. People of all political hues here! But to a man they downtick you day in day out. Doesn’t that tell you something about your delivery mode or style? That it may be lacking in some respect?

One last thing. We know who the hell you are. Everyone does. You don’t need screeds of real and imaginary achievements in you signature.

Kindly,
~BallSack,
Anonymous Internet Commentator. (And Voter)
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January 14, 2016 5:48pm
EAD

That is an interesting review of Maxwells book isn’t it Stephieboy? EAD could have written that himself. I’ll repost it here to save readers the time:

Frontier is an absolutely outstanding book in a world where politically correct attitudes often muddy facts. History is often written by those who have not the slightest intention of verifying facts in the field. Peter Maxwell, in an attempt to cut to the truth, has not only studied NZ history via documents and eye witness accounts- but has also donned pack and rifle and trekked to the most remote locations to gain a full and accurate appreciation of each battle. The truth is what it is, the action (of which there is plenty) is brutal.

For the past decades, we have been taught that the British Empire sought to conquer and confiscate lands from the Maori. We were never told that the British were, after arriving in NZ, quite against confiscation and that individuals within the Settler government were to a large extent, responsible for this action. The British were always portrayed as fumbling, yet Maxwell provides clearly cited evidence of a military group that although infamous for its thirst for conquest, is against the conquest of New Zealand. At times, the British do their best to allow its enemy to escape confrontation until forces could be pulled away entirely, leaving the settler government to its own devices. A far different situation to fumbling military failures. We were also taught that many Maori, rather than becoming galvanized against colonization, formed their own allegiances with Europeans which is true- but within the context of historical text has at times belittled the Maori as a fickle race. In Frontier, we are able to observe the situations Maori faced and why such allegiances were formed. Ultimately, both Pakeha and Maori can maintain or gain a great respect for each other within the pages of Frontier.

No one group or race is blamed for any negative action, Frontier casts light on the actions of individuals rather than races. In reading Frontier, we are able to develop both compassion and understanding towards those who came before us. Frontier is the antedote to any residual racism that exits in New Zealand. It allows us to look at the past without judgement, face it and accept it.

Frontier is fantastic reading and although it is disrespectful of me to suggest, it has all of the excitement and tragedy of a war biography for lovers of action. It is rich in history for those who are pioneers of the wilderness at heart. And at a time when individuals seem hell bent on selling parcels of NZ land to foreign corporates, Frontier can help us avoid repeating the darker side of our history.

In New Zealand, we have the saying- “lest we forget” to remind us of the sacrifice of the ANZAC’s during the two world wars. Yet never do we look at our own past- the land wars. I suggest all New Zealand adults read Frontier so that we do not forget how we came to be.

The politically correct intellectual snobs of NZ history have in the past given Frontier bad reviews- which is precisely why you will want to and need to read this page turner.

I can’t imagine Chris Finlayson or our esteemed Education minister will be allowing young minds to hear such 1st hand accounts of what really happened as opposed to a Michael King fiction fest. Like so many of the “approved” versions of history, you can’t upset the narrative they give to brainwash young minds….
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January 14, 2016 5:49pm
Jacob

Not seeing a lot of comments promising to ‘die in ditches’ (and the like) in order to protect MY (lawful) right to ‘freedom of expression’?

No. For once you are undisputedly, REALLY, RIGHT. Think about it. Even ask WHY?
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January 14, 2016 5:52pm
Reid

The following video is perhaps George Carlin’s greatest performance ever. It took place not long before he was ~~murdered~~ died. If ever there was a perfect political and social commentary all wrapped up in one comedic tirade, that really gets right to the root of the problems facing America, this one is it.

https://youtu.be/cKUaqFzZLxU

Shame most of you haven’t even started your journey to understanding, despite the free and prolific resources made available to you to do so.

Shame.

For you and your loved ones.

Your children and grand children won’t thank you for your willful ignorance you know.

No.

Instead, they’ll curse you, just like the young in post-war Germany cursed their elders.

You will wake up. But only when it’s too late. After everything he says has come to pass but you didn’t fucking notice it happening at the time because you were too focused on the bread and circuses they gave you to keep you asleep.

Definition of duh?

You.
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January 14, 2016 5:53pm
Inandout

Captain Mainwaring 5.17: It is so effective that Black Flag.
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January 14, 2016 5:54pm
SPC

EAD, the book does not say Africans settled Britain first it says there were some Africans stationed in Cumbria with a Roman legion before the English arrived.

Of course the first Briton was c8000BCE probably with the I Y chromosome – the one that developed in Europe. Of the Doggerland era and the oldest house in Europe – Hawick Northumbria.
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January 14, 2016 5:56pm
nasska

Kimbo broke our host’s rules & has paid the price. While he was unwise in his terminology he said what the majority of us seem to feel.

But the mad woman possesses the hide of a rhinoceros & the brain of a slab of concrete. Soon she will have the blog to herself.
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January 14, 2016 5:56pm
Inandout

I see Muslims have been busy today in Jakarta and Sydney Opera House.
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January 14, 2016 6:00pm
EAD

Reid,

Did you read the Savants latest missive?

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/why-did-they-do-it.html?m=0

It’s obvious the Elites are lighting the fuse for the vast social explosion that is imminent in Europe, just as they did in Russia in 1917. What’s your thoughts on why the elites are escalating the game right now?

“Out of chaos comes order” – Vladimir Lenin
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January 14, 2016 6:01pm
stephieboy

EAD, could you provide some examples of Michael kings alleged “fiction feast ” ?

As a point of view I’ve no quarrels with Maxwell . But it is an opinion and no more than that .

I trust he also acknowledges the Maori contribution to the war effort ?

I just hope he’s not into pre celtic NZ pseudo history ?
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January 14, 2016 6:01pm
notrotsky

@ Ballsack – classy.

As I have remarked before it was unreasonable to call Penny a cunt as cunts are useful, she should more rightly be called a cumberground or perhaps more charitably a fustilarian who is soon to become a mumblecrust.

Keeping it real

Notrotsky
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January 14, 2016 6:03pm
SPC

ABS, in fact there has been more comment about Penny since the kimbo ban than at any time on the blog.

PS Kent is the home of the head of the Anglican Communion, but that body is at risk of either becoming a loose confederation (woman lacking a male head of household) or dividing one leg against another leg. This is what happens when a home is offered to Calvinists, bitter debate leading to exile.
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January 14, 2016 6:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

To all KBers

Please clarify – particularly for Maggie’s benefit?

As has been well established on this site… I am a confused, mad loon.

I have my head up my arse….. etc, etc,

I don’t think clarification is going to help me.
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January 14, 2016 6:10pm
stephieboy

EAD , here is a past missive from Savant dealing with the Holocaust .Every single point highly questionable and plain wrong.,

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2013/12/youre-holocaust-denier.html

Do you agree ? Reid too ?
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January 14, 2016 6:12pm
Awww C-mon

Maggy,

If Griff and Penny told me I was mad and confused, I would be feeling very sane for once!
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January 14, 2016 6:14pm
SPC

Googling found this – a house 8500BCE in Yorkshire, leaving the place in Howick Northumbria as second oldest in Europe.

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-10929343
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January 14, 2016 6:15pm
AgentBallSack

I am as guilty of Penny bashing as the next person along. But now I see it’s like beating a dog because it’s retarded. The poor dog mistakes it as affection and comes back for regular beatings for the attention it gets. You end up becoming a slave to the dogs whims.
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January 14, 2016 6:16pm
notrotsky

@ stephieboy

Even more disturbing that the post you link to are the first few comments……. i couldn’t be bothered trawling through the lot, it is an interesting congregation that blog attracts.

@ BallSack…LOL
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January 14, 2016 6:17pm
Reid

Yes I did EAD.

It’s an interesting question and one I asked myself when it started.

There’s no question they anticipated and planned it, the sudden “spontaneous” rush and the lack of reaction to it happening is the tell. But since Libya and Syria have been going for years, why now.

It’s never, as you know, what it appears.

It’s got calculation written all over it.

But based on what we know (which we both know is not the full pic), either they’re looking to launch the day of the Jihad all over the Western world and impose wholesale martial law on the entire Western world, or they’ve miscalculated. Why else have they done this? Are they still playing the long game or is the window of opportunity running down and forcing their hand?

I don’t [necessarily] buy the “they’re desperate” possibility raised by IS. Possible but unlikely because their modelling is so good now they know precisely what’s going to happen.

As you know historically if or when they strike an issue because they overstep, in the past, they’ve always backed off. Wait a few decades, maybe even a century, then start gradually ramping up again.

But not this time.

Their overstep is so obvious and would have shown up in the models so why did they proceed?

I agree all the forces: military, economics and religion have converged and a beam-crossing is in the tea-leaves.

It’s real interesting times aren’t they.
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January 14, 2016 6:22pm
nasska

But at least you can take the dog down to the back paddock & put it out of its misery ABS.

The poor buggers in Auckland & the commenters on KB don’t have that luxury. 🙂
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January 14, 2016 6:23pm
EAD

Hi Stephie,

after reading very very widely, I have reached pretty much the same conclusion as the Savant on the article you linked to.

This will probably fill you with faux outrage but the 3 periods of history that have been most revised in order to fit the narrative are:
1) the American civil war
2) the life of Nelson Mandela
3) The Nazi period

The difference between reality and what is taught in classrooms in relation to the above makes the re-write of NZ history modest in comparison. A history distorted to remould the world into Socialist hands.
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January 14, 2016 6:26pm
Steve (North Shore)

Spray and Walk Away will not answer many questions – avoids the and then demands questions be answered. Hypocrite much?
There is a turd floating around on this blog, needs to be flushed, maybe the blog owner could do it, unless DPF wants ‘Spray and Walk Away’ to boost the comment numbers.
Sometimes parasites are needed to keep the balance
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January 14, 2016 6:27pm
EAD

I agree all the forces: military, economics and religion have converged and a beam-crossing is in the tea-leaves.

Indeed – we are right in a perfect storm. I notice the “anti economic crash” brigade have gone very quiet of late…..
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January 14, 2016 6:36pm
Jacob

Extremely simple –
Penny should have the absolute right to express herself.
Anyone else has the absolute right to respond.

Caution –
“If you don’t want people to drive you crazy, don’t give them the keys.”
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January 14, 2016 6:38pm
AgentBallSack

We could always go back to having GD filled with religious nuttery and sanctimony 🙂
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January 14, 2016 6:38pm
lofty

Short memory syndrome Penny?

I have on numerous occasions defended your right to freedom of speech.

But never mind that eh Bright..Lets just frame the conversation to suit your poor me narrative.

You really are your own worst enemy.

I have had it with you Penny, and just so you know for what it is worth, There will be no more defending your democratic rights. No more response to your ridiculous mayoral campaign, because you a. Will not answer legitimate questions to reinforce your suitability, b. I have concluded that you actually are a troll by definition.

You have no governance skills and are absolutely unsuitable to govern the powerhouse of NZ.

The sad thing is that the alternatives to you are almost as abysmal.

BYE BYE PENNY.
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January 14, 2016 6:40pm
Johnboy

Judge Jefferies will be spinning in his grave! 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/75878150/Tiler-facing-jail-on-tax-charges-is-rescued-by-his-former-employee
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January 14, 2016 6:40pm
Johnboy

“We could always go back to having GD filled with religious nuttery and sanctimony”

If that kind of old-time religion involves virgins and making up excuses why they get pregnant I’m all for it! 🙂
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January 14, 2016 6:43pm
stephieboy

EAD, shall we say look at point 4,

4. There was no plan to exterminate Europe’s Jews. The plan was to get them into work camps, slave labour camps if you will, and at the end of the war expel them to Israel, Uganda, Madagascar or the steppes of Russia.

Can you again account for the disappearance of the 2.3 million Jews in Poland and the 1.5 million in occupied Soviet Union ?

As for a plan by Hitler you can get no more clearer than this as to his intentions to liquidate them ,

“On 12 December 1941, five days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, Adolf Hitler made a revealing speech in Berlin to Nazi leaders, both Gauleiter and Reichleiter; and Josef Goebbels recorded in his diary what had been said: ‘With regard to the Jewish Question the Fuehrer is determined to make a clean sweep. He prophesized that if they brought about another world war, they would experience their annihilation. This was no empty talk. The world war is here. The annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence. This question is to be viewed without sentimentality. We’re not to have sympathy with the Jews, but only sympathy with our German people. If the German people has again now sacrificed around 160,000 dead in the eastern campaign, the instigators of this bloody conflict will have to pay for it with their own lives.’

http://ww2history.com/key_moments/Holocaust/Hitler_talks_of_Jewish_annihilation
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January 14, 2016 6:44pm
AgentBallSack

Johnboy if you turn Mormon you can get a whole family of them.
You have the right name for a bit of cousin lovin’ shenanigans!
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January 14, 2016 6:46pm
nasska

…..”You have the right name for a bit of cousin lovin’ shenanigans!”…..

When you do it with livestock it’s known as ‘line breeding’. 🙂
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January 14, 2016 6:52pm
Johnboy

Quite so scrote old chap. The more I read of Shawn the more I suspect that my rellies from Tennessee really did move down to Florida after that damned “Deliverance” movie exposed them! 🙂
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January 14, 2016 6:54pm
holysheet

Nah johnboy loves his ewes to much. if he want’s a virgin, all he needs is a young hogget. The woolier the better.
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January 14, 2016 6:57pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ufszzmw01x2nxv/American%20South.jpg?dl=0&preview=American+South.jpg
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January 14, 2016 6:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear Johnboy,

I think I was a bit hasty in rejecting you last night.

I’ve had a long, hard look in the mirror and it’s not a pretty sight.

I’ve got to admit that I am getting long in the tooth (still got a couple!) and I might not win the heart of the Kaiti nightcartman.

So I’m willing to lower my standards and share your love of sheep.

Yours for eva
Maggy
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January 14, 2016 6:58pm
SPC

Peter Schiff (EAD’s guru) – predictions for gold and the dollar and his record.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/20/

What he has failed to realise is that currency is relative in terms of value, the Euro is weak as is the yuan, the rouble, and commodity suppliers to China are struggling – thus in that environment the dollar is strong (despite the QE)

And with the QE sustaining the financial system and without any inflation why would people put capital into a metal bubble?

http://silver-and-gold-prices.goldprice.org/

Metals have risen because of inflation, not deflation.

Unless the banks are vulnerable, or the currency is, or there is inflation, hoarding capital in metals is the ultimate in bubble investment.

Unless metals have bottomed out, or one wants to gain from an anticipated currency fall (will ours go down further against the greenback or not) – there are better places than metal to wait out a stock market correction – bonus bonds/utilities with good dividend returns/bank on-call.

George Magnus has a better record than Schiff.
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January 14, 2016 6:58pm
lofty

Goodness, reading Maggies love letter to Johnboy has made feel like a bit of a gooseberry….maybe you 2 need a room.

Funny buggers..love it.
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January 14, 2016 7:02pm
Johnboy

At least we only make our sheep “Baa” in Wainui….None of that nasty squealing stuff! 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-q8
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