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Witness

Operation Exodus: Helping Jews return to Israel.

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/video?video=283896
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December 4, 2015 5:18pm
mikenmild

Are you not a fan of pornography, Witless?
Tell me, is this art or pornography?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:That_fine-ass_Mary_Magdalene
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December 4, 2015 5:20pm
Witness

‘Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good;
Blessed is the man who trusts in Him!’

Psalm 34:8
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December 4, 2015 5:21pm
starboard

This God character seems a bit of a shit to me, either that or he has a bizarre sense of humour.
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December 4, 2015 5:23pm
mikenmild

Oh, I’d sure like to taste her, Witless.
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December 4, 2015 5:23pm
Scott Chris

Mike, think Witless has fingers firmly jammed in ears and is reciting incantations agin Game of Thrones
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December 4, 2015 5:24pm
starboard

SC has got a huge arse I suspect stigie
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December 4, 2015 5:24pm
stigie

Game of Throne’s actor Emillia Clarke, what a honey ?
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December 4, 2015 5:28pm
Kimbo

@ SPC

Kimbo, just stop the lying.

Well, at least we are both Python fans.

OK, SPC. How about you just tell me, in one sentence or less, what it is you believe concerning the Scriptures, and why you think your opinion is compelling? Sorry – and I’ll gladly wear the blame for this if it makes you happy – but in among references to stuff such as “kingship descending”, “hills are nations” and “worldwide floods”, all of which no doubt makes complete sense to you – I am unable to figure out (and as before, I’ll gladly take the rap for that), your “big idea”, and it it completely lost on me.

So, please, in one sentence or less, please tell me what it is and why…and if not can we at least agree to pass one another by, as life is too short to get lost in mutual obscurity.

And sorry I originally missed your “the ‘quick and the dead’ is a western saying’ line due to my tunnel vision. Most amusing, and I may use it again sometime – with your permission in case of ©SPC (2015)

Cheers,

Kimbo
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December 4, 2015 5:39pm
nasska

It’s amazing how fast technology is moving, 139 years since the invention of the telephone, 50 years since the invention of the modern computer, 120 years since the invention of the radio, 20 years since the invention of e-mail, 11 years since the invention of Facebook,

and STILL,

God finds no easy way to contact us.
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December 4, 2015 6:54pm
B.L.Zeebub

“Sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than a whisky bottle in the hand of (another)… There are just some kind of men who – who’re so busy worrying about the next world they’ve never learned to live in this one, and you can look down the street and see the results.”

― Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird
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December 4, 2015 6:58pm
nasska

…..”and you can look down the street and see the results.””…..

You don’t have to go out onto the street. Just scroll down the comments on GD for any morning & you’ll get the Godaddled insisting that they have a right to run the lives of all……even if they’ve done nothing with their own.

It tapers off after lunch when the gin bottle’s empty & it’s time for a wee sleep.
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December 4, 2015 7:07pm
Viking2

Here we go again.Tony Gapes gone. Lots of money lost.

Receiver Dave Ruscoe confirmed this afternoon that he and Richard Simpson have been appointed receivers and managers of Panama Road Developments Trust. The trust is behind the 10.5ha Springpark development in Mt Wellington.

Developer Tony Gapes, of Redwood Group, revealed plans in 2013 for 420 terraced homes with three- to four-storey apartments, but the project has been affected by delays.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11555983&ref=NZH_FBpage
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Yeh right.
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December 4, 2015 7:20pm
stigie

“God finds no easy way to contact us”.

Where was he during the Ch Ch earthquakes and the pike river disaster, i guess only the Godaddled can tell us that…?
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December 4, 2015 7:21pm
B.L.Zeebub

Apparently,after the exertion of creating the billions of galaxies in the universe ,he only has time to worry about your genitalia and wants to send you to the hell he created if you touch it.
Plus ,he needs cash,especially if you want any favours.
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December 4, 2015 7:26pm
Griff

But nasska spawnie and witness talk to god all the time.
he just never tells them any thing of value
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December 4, 2015 7:27pm
Viking2

I see that The PM’s poster boy from the far north is running a tourism business for the chinese. Managed to get his face on TV tonight.
Wonder what happened about the charges against him?
all very suspicious.
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December 4, 2015 7:28pm
nasska

I’m sure that God talks back to them too Griff…..the phase after that involves them actually ‘being’ God & usually occurs after they don’t take the pills for a few days.

The second coming may be closer than we think! Watch this space! 🙂
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December 4, 2015 7:31pm
itstricky

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:That_fine-ass_Mary_Magdalene

I’d plow that like a corn field. Unless it was the Sabbath.

LOL.
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December 4, 2015 7:43pm
Witness

Griff, did you see the story of what your fellow travelers did in Paris? They destroyed a memorial to the victims of the Paris attacks, and threw the candles that has been placed there at the police. What does that tell us about the character of AGW propagandists?
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December 4, 2015 8:00pm
stephieboy

Witness, that’ll have to be from Breitbart or…. ?
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December 4, 2015 8:04pm
Griff

What you are attempting is the same as me saying all you god whackers are a bunch of terrorists.
Muslims worship the same god as you .
Some muslims are terrorists Therefor all god whackers are terrorists .
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December 4, 2015 8:06pm
nasska

About what it tells us about the deranged Xtians who kill staff at abortion clinics.

Using your attempt at logic all the Godwhacked must be the same.
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December 4, 2015 8:06pm
Witness

You are very young aren’t you stephieboy. I suspect you have not seen much of the world.
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December 4, 2015 8:08pm
Alan Wilkinson

Presumably one of the Lauda Finem conspirators has issued an injunction about being named by Pete George: http://yournz.org/2015/12/04/legal-compliance-notice/

He can’t identify who it is on his blog but since the perpetrator apparently issued a press release equally presumably the MSM or anyone else can since the terms of the injunction seem to relate specifically to the yournz blog.
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December 4, 2015 8:10pm
Griff

Yip Stephie I just googled the story.
guess where ?
brietfart American stinker, townfool and the rest of the right wing low info knucklehead sites.
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December 4, 2015 8:12pm
Awww C-mon

“stephieboy. I suspect you have not seen much of the world.”

I see a couple of weeks here hasn’t knocked any of the condeseing and self righteous old prick out of you yet writ-less
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December 4, 2015 8:13pm
Viking2

The Taxpayer rooted once more.

Taxpayers have already handed over millions of dollars to institutions which failed to deliver the education they promised. Steve Deane asks if we can have any confidence this won’t happen again

Taxpayers have already handed over millions of dollars to institutions which failed to deliver the education they promised. Steve Deane asks if we can have any confidence this won’t happen again From top: Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi; the Warriors take part in a culture course at the Auckland University Marae; Donna Grant; Taratahi Agricultural Training Centre.

January 22, 2013, just another day of just another NRL pre-season. The mid-summer afternoon sun shines down on the 94 players and staff of the New Zealand Warriors league club as they twirl taiaha with varying degrees of effectiveness on the lawn outside Auckland University’s marae. Former captain Ruben Wiki is there, as is legendary halfback Stacey Jones, alongside stars of today. Wayne Scurruh, at the time the club’s chief executive, turns up despite the occasion falling during his holiday.

The day is a big deal, but it isn’t overly serious. “It’s a bit of a laugh,” Warriors captain Simon Mannering chuckles into the camera during an interview with Maori TV.

The joke, it turned out, was on the taxpayer, who kindly provided $565,316 to fund the club’s drive to improve its cultural awareness. Of course, few of the people on the marae that day knew they were completing in just one day a tourism course that would normally have involved 18 weeks of study.

At least five organisations have apparently opted for the latter, with disastrous consequences.

So far the TEC’s investigations have turned up more than 25 million in overpayments. The institutions involved have been forced to find millions of dollars from within already stretched budgets to repay the money. ( good luck with getting the money back).

Labour has tabled hundreds of written parliamentary questions and lodged numerous Official Information Act requests seeking more information about a further 30 providers, mainly PTEs.

Cunliffe alleges Joyce is intentionally obscuring the full extent of the problem —

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11556099

National in charge. you know the resposible government. Getting us back into surplus.
All smoke and mirrors.
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December 4, 2015 8:13pm
Griff

Wouldn’t Lauda Finem be open for a charge of breach of court ordered suppression in New Zealand
If I was PG I would point out to the court that they habitually breach suppression orders.
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December 4, 2015 8:20pm
nasska

Lauda Finem is based in Holland Griff. They can say what they like safe from any action from the NZ jurisdiction.

Same as Derryn Hinch in Aussie.
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December 4, 2015 8:27pm
doggone7

Alan Wilkinson @ 8:10 pm

‘Tis meant to be the season to be jolly, fa la la la la, la la la la.
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December 4, 2015 8:41pm
nasska

Are you into Muslim MILFs? Click here for the absolute best in Muslim Milf porn.

NB: All models featured are certified aged 16 or under.
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December 4, 2015 8:49pm
Alan Wilkinson

@nasska, no, it’s hosted in Singapore and reputedly operated by Phillip Nottingham from Australia though it posts material obviously originating in NZ. If Mr Nottingham ever returns to NZ he will probably attract the interest of the NZ police and courts. Equally if the conspiracy that operates the site is ever properly investigated and exposed there would be nothing to stop the NZ affiliates being charged. That the site is hosted overseas gives no legal protection to NZers who use it to break the NZ law.
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December 4, 2015 8:59pm
LabourDoesntWork

tagger (noun). One with anti-social tendencies, who, lacking anything better to do defaces the public space, causing general offense. Impresses no one but themselves.
I’m a tagger. I’m a fucking loser.

boy racer (noun). 1) See ‘tagger’. 2) A car ‘enthusiast’ at the wrong end of the Dunning-Kruger effect: lacks both actual driving talent and a decent car.
Hi boy racer dude! that looks like a poorly manufactured and badly fitting glass fibre body kit, designed to make the car look like something out of Blake’s fucking seven.
Got a fartbox exhaust for my Subaru because I can’t afford a Mustang or Camaro, because I’m a boy racer. Brrrm brrrrrrrrrm!
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December 4, 2015 9:00pm
Witness

Sorry stephieboy and Griff. This is from a non-Right Wing source, and the words of the French President.

‘France’s Hollande slams ‘scandalous’ Paris climate protest clashes’

‘Brussels (AFP) – French President Francois Hollande on Sunday condemned the “scandalous” behaviour of far-left activists who clashed with riot police in an area dedicated for memorials to the Paris attacks ahead of key UN climate talks.

Around 100 people were arrested after a small group of protesters at the central Place de la Republique square pelted officers with bottles as well as candles that had been left in tribute to the victims of the November 13 attacks.

“These disruptive elements have nothing to do with defenders of the environment,” Hollande said at an EU-Turkey summit in Brussels.

“They are not there so that the (COP21) talks succeed but are there solely to create incidents,” he said.

“It is doubly regrettable, even scandalous that this happened at the Place de la Republique where flowers and candles have been left in memory of those who were killed by the terrorists’ bullets” in the November 13 Paris attacks, he said.’

https://news.yahoo.com/frances-hollande-slams-scandalous-clashes-paris-climate-talks-173746540.html

It would seem that the Right Wing sites are more honest than the BBC or CNN.
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December 4, 2015 9:04pm
Witness

13 Christians Who Risked Everything to Defend Biblical Truth

‘As America continues to grow more hostile toward public prayer and conservative religious viewpoints, younger generations of courageous Christians will be faced with the challenge of defying the norm of secular culture to defend prayer and biblical truth.

In his book No Fear: Real Stories of a Courageous New Generation Standing for Truth, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins highlights 11 instances when young men and women risked everything to defend biblical truth and their religious beliefs from intense societal, political, cultural and spiritual opposition.’

http://www.christianpost.com/news/religious-freedom-tony-perkins-no-fear-13-christians-bible-gay-marriage-abortion-149739/
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December 4, 2015 9:08pm
nasska

Alan Wilkinson

You may well be right about Lauda Finem being hosted in Singapore…..I was sure that there used to be a map showing LF’s address in Amsterdam but I may have been thinking of another site.

Agree that Mr Nottingham will regret undertaking any visits of nostalgia to NZ…..his stay could well be longer than intended. Point is, so long as he stays away from these shores he’ll remain a valuable source of info for people who don’t see the need for name suppression.

People like me.
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December 4, 2015 9:09pm
Witness

8-Y-O Christian Girl Beaten, Left Naked on Street by Muslim Family

‘A law group in Pakistan is pressing criminal charges against a Muslim family that allegedly beat and left naked on the streets an 8-year-old Christian girl, in order to punish her uncle.’

http://www.christianpost.com/news/pakistan-christian-girl-beaten-left-naked-muslim-family-attackers-151348/
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December 4, 2015 9:10pm
Witness

ISIS ‘Not Contained,’ Head of Military Says; Obama ‘Largely Ignored’ Group’s Rise, Expert Adds

‘Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford Jr. contradicted President Obama Tuesday when he told lawmakers on Capitol Hill that ISIS is not contained.’

http://www.christianpost.com/news/isis-not-contained-head-of-military-says-obama-largely-ignored-groups-rise-expert-adds-151482/
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December 4, 2015 9:11pm
mikenmild

Witless
You didn’t get back to me about whether this is pornography:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:That_fine-ass_Mary_Magdalene
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December 4, 2015 9:12pm
nasska

….”‘As America continues to grow more hostile toward public prayer and conservative religious viewpoints, younger generations of courageous Christians will be faced with the challenge of defying the norm of secular culture to defend prayer and biblical truth.”…..

Finally an end is in sight. Superstition will disappear & sanity will reign!
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December 4, 2015 9:14pm
Awww C-mon

“13 Christians Who Risked Everything to Defend Biblical Truth”

Is Biblical truth the most important thing to you writ-less?
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December 4, 2015 9:14pm
stephieboy

Wiitness , this is what you posted ,

G”riff, did you see the story of what your fellow travelers did in Paris? They destroyed a memorial to the victims of the Paris attacks, and threw the candles that has been placed there at the police. What does that tell us about the character of AGW propagandists?”

Now which alleged ” fellow travellers “are you suggesting we are ??? Another low slime ball attempt at a smear . However it’s heartening to know Pentecostals can be super hypocritical and moon batty after all!.
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December 4, 2015 9:16pm
mikenmild

The Family Research Council mentioned in Witless’s link above is noted as a hate group in the US.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council
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December 4, 2015 9:17pm
nasska

….” Pentecostals can be super hypocritical after all!”….

You’ve got to cut them a bit of slack Stephieboy…..faults they have aplenty but they grow back a mean hand. 🙂
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December 4, 2015 9:20pm
Awww C-mon

Interesting to see if Writ-less will answer a hostile audience?? Edit: this soo not hostile btw
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December 4, 2015 9:23pm
B.L.Zeebub

Biblical truth,you`ll find that in the library in the same section as Halal Pork recipes and how to BBQ Kosher prawns on the Sabbath.
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December 4, 2015 9:24pm
Awww C-mon

Oh I think it exists blz, I’m just not into its importance as much as ole writ-less
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December 4, 2015 9:26pm
Awww C-mon

Did PG remove himself from KB or is it a forced absence?

Not asking because I miss him or anything!! Need to clarify that ?
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December 4, 2015 9:31pm
Griff

Witness is a Pentecostal ? Isn’t that the nut bar cult that gibbers like loons and thinks the earth is only 6000 years old ?
Deluded isn’t the word then.
Irredeemably fucked in the helmet is probably closer to the truth.
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December 4, 2015 9:34pm
doggone7

Alan Wilkinson @ 9:07 pm

I read stuff on that site. The Speaker often says In Parliament that it is a place of “robust debate.” Apparently someone thinks that far past being a place of “robust debate” YourNZ is a place of “hateful and hurtful fabrications.” What?

Any judge who has to read all the stuff on there from over the weeks, which sees the pitiful, amateur press release and then deal with its authors would wish he/she had done plumbing not law.
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December 4, 2015 9:36pm
nasska

Neither Awww C-mon.

He made a few appearances during the RWC.
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December 4, 2015 9:36pm
Don the Kiwi

Griff is an atheist? Isn’t that the nutbar bunch that gibbers like loons and thinks that nothing created the earth from a big bang that nothing started?

Deluded isn’t the word.
Obstinately fucked in the head is definitely the truth.

Fixed it for you Gripp.
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December 4, 2015 9:38pm
Awww C-mon

Naaska, when I was first reading and not commenting on KB he was everywhere posting away on every thread available. If YourNZ closes down he could come back!!! That being the case I reckon the judge was a little harsh!
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December 4, 2015 9:40pm
mikenmild

This might surprise you Don, but being an atheist doesn’t necessitate holding fixed beliefs about the origins of the universe. It merely requires an absence of belief in supernatural fairy stories.
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December 4, 2015 9:41pm
Don the Kiwi

So mm.
You agree that it started from nothing.
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December 4, 2015 9:44pm
Alan Wilkinson

It will be interesting if in order to win their case against yournz.org the Nottinghams and Mark Spring have to release their ISP logs to show they were not in fact writing anonymous abuse and defamatory statements on that blog as was alleged.
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December 4, 2015 9:44pm
nasska

A Baptist preacher and his wife decided to get a new dog. Ever mindful of the congregation, they knew the dog must also be a Baptist. They visited kennel after kennel and explained their needs. Finally, they found a kennel whose owner assured them he had just the dog they wanted.

The owner brought the dog to meet the pastor and his wife. “Fetch the Bible,” he commanded. The dog bounded to the bookshelf, scrutinized the books, located the Bible, and brought it to the owner. “Now find Psalm 23,” he commanded. The dog dropped the Bible to the floor, and showing dexterity with his paws, leafed through and finding the correct passage, pointed to it with his paw. The pastor and his wife were very impressed and purchased the dog.

That evening, a group of church members came to visit. The pastor and his wife began to show off the dog, having him locate several Bible verses. The visitors were very impressed! . One man asked, “Can he do regular dog tricks, too?” “I haven’t tried yet,” the pastor replied. He pointed his finger at the dog. “HEEL!” the pastor commanded. The dog immediately jumped on a chair, placed one paw on the pastor’s forehead and began to howl. The pastor looked at his wife in shock and said, “Good Lord! He’s Pentecostal!”
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December 4, 2015 9:47pm
Awww C-mon

“You agree that it started from nothing.”

Are you describing your thought process and arguments Don or something else?
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December 4, 2015 9:48pm
mikenmild

That’s an open question, Don. Seeing that it is due to science that we even know about the Big Bang, I’m pretty sure that any further explanation will come from scientific endeavour rather than consulting bronze-age manuscripts.
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December 4, 2015 9:50pm
Griff

Lol
Really don nothing created the universe is easy answered.

Who created god ?

You are an atheist about all gods except your own.
Why ?

A mike says atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
That is it. All else is optional.

My understanding around the energy necessary for the creation of the big bang is it is the result of matter entering a black hole in another place outside our universe.
The rest is way above you capability to understand but it is held as valid by some theoretical physics.
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December 4, 2015 9:57pm
mikenmild

I think George has a mental problem actually, a stronger version to what his hero Dunne has and I think it’s probably related to the same disorder Len Brown has: Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Same symptoms are evident in all three cases.

Whereas this is the best current diagnosis for Reid:
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Asshole_Personality_Disorder
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December 4, 2015 10:01pm
Awww C-mon

Reid take a deep breath champ??

It’s obviously a throw away line, me being a smart arse as usual saying that I would rather not have him here spewing his shite…
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December 4, 2015 10:02pm
nasska

….”The rest is way above you capability to understand “….

And mine Griff. It’s just that I & more than a few others accept that we don’t understand the creation…..a little like the human mind’s inability to imagine infinity or eternity.

And we don’t invent a God to cover up the fact.
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December 4, 2015 10:03pm
doggone7

Going after his livelihood? Destroying his life?

Maybe Pete George will get some sort of Harmful Digital Communications Act 2015 thingy against this site. After all you’ve said he is “completely mental” on here.

Actually some might say you’re ‘going after his livlihood, destroying his life, affecting his family, simply because you don’t like him. Simply because of the words he used. And that’s no different from someone breaking in and stealing, worse in fact, because as you know, your job is part of who you are, and your reputation and competence in it is carried with you everywhere you go.’
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December 4, 2015 10:06pm
mikenmild

nasska
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Goddidit#Goddidit
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December 4, 2015 10:08pm
Alan Wilkinson

@Reid, if George was going after Spring’s employment he would actually have contacted Spring’s employer. He didn’t. You are drivelling and your mouth is frothing.
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December 4, 2015 10:09pm
Reid

Oh nothing to do with you A-C mate, I was only using your remark to expand the issue, explaining a bit of what I know about the Badger…

I just fight injustice where I see it, bit like the Badger really, except I’m not confused about where it actually lies, like him and Slimy and all the other lefties are.

he would actually have contacted Spring’s employer. He didn’t.

Sorry Alan, I’m just going off your post which indicated he did. You saying that’s false? Why did the Judge’s injunction specifically mention George not contacting Spring’s employer if so?
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December 4, 2015 10:09pm
nasska

I followed your link Mike:

“There are a few small gaps in most fossil records linking one species to another. God did it!
No one knows what is the (if there is any) carrier force of gravity. God did it!
Love is a strong and mysterious emotion. God did it!
The universe appears rather fine-tuned for life on earth. God did it!
We cannot explain how memory works. God did it!
This chicken mayonnaise sandwich is delicious. God did it”

I can see a pattern developing there. 🙂
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December 4, 2015 10:14pm
Reid

You are drivelling and your mouth is frothing.

No I’m actually having a good time with a bottle and a half of good red on board watching Iron Man I Alan.

Try not to hallucinate who you think I am, there’s a good lad. (Yes, I do mean to be condescending. No, I’m quite relaxed.)

Like I said, I simply fight injustice where I see it. I learned twenty years ago there’s no point getting excited about it.
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December 4, 2015 10:16pm
mikenmild

God’s telling me to log off and go to bed now, nasska.
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December 4, 2015 10:17pm
Alan Wilkinson

If I recall right there was one throwaway comment some time ago by George that Spring’s employer wouldn’t be too impressed with the kind of comments Spring was making openly on twitter and covertly on yournz. That was it.

Nottingham has obviously seized on that to work on the judge.
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December 4, 2015 10:18pm
Reid

I doubt that a Judge would be so easily influenced Alan. They work on evidence and ramifications arising from actions established by that evidence. If it was simply what you say, I seriously doubt any Judge would have said what s/he said in that injunction. Judges hate to be overturned on appeal, and if that’s all it was, it lays them wide open to that action.
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December 4, 2015 10:20pm
Don the Kiwi

So mm.

You do not subscribe to the laws of physics and the laws of thermodynamics.

Rather vacuous, aren’t you.
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December 4, 2015 10:21pm
Alan Wilkinson

There is no testing of evidence on an interim injunction. It is merely a holding operation until the proper hearing. It relies entirely on the accusations by the applicant and the defendant does not even know the matter is being considered.
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December 4, 2015 10:28pm
Reid

There is no testing of evidence on an interim injunction. It is merely a holding operation until the proper hearing.

Yep but you need prima facie before an injunction is issued in the first place and when I said Judges don’t like being overturned I meant, ever.

And prima facie Alan, the Badger is a small-minded total and utter cunt on past behaviour, even if this injunction had never been issued and we weren’t having this conversation.

I have no idea why you defend such a man. From your comment record I’ve always thought you had much more astute thoughts going on in your head.
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December 4, 2015 10:41pm
Alan Wilkinson

Section 19 (5) includes:

In deciding whether or not to make an order, and the form of an order, the court must take into account the following:
(a) the content of the communication and the level of harm caused or likely to be caused by it:
(b) the purpose of the communicator, in particular whether the communication was intended to cause harm:
(c) the occasion, context, and subject matter of the communication:
(d) the extent to which the communication has spread beyond the original parties to the communication:
(e) the age and vulnerability of the affected individual:
(f) the truth or falsity of the statement:
(g) whether the communication is in the public interest:
(h) the conduct of the defendant, including any attempt by the defendant to minimise the harm caused:
(i) the conduct of the affected individual or complainant:

In the substantive hearing the judge has no choice but to look at all the evidence concerning these factors and not merely the claims made by the applicant in his affidavit.
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December 4, 2015 11:00pm
Scott Chris

You do not subscribe to the laws of physics

It’s not a choice Don.
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December 4, 2015 11:06pm
Pete George

12 Threshold for proceedings
(1) An applicant referred to in section 11(1)(a), (b), or (c) may not apply for an order under section 18 or 19 in respect of a digital communication unless the Approved Agency has first received a complaint about the communication and had a reasonable opportunity to assess the complaint and decide what action (if any) to take.

Where is the Approved Agency does anyone know? I’m not aware of any being set up yet.
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December 4, 2015 11:11pm
Alan Wilkinson

@PG, looks like a good question to ask the Court. On the face of it it looks like the order is ultra vires.
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December 4, 2015 11:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Pete George
Agency doesn’t come into effect until 2017

There are also new aspects that come into effect in 2017:

1) New communications principles to define your rights and responsibilities in a civil context. These principles are over and above the criminal offences spelled out in the HDCA, and will be managed by the District Courts and an approved agency.

2) An approved agency to handle disputes involving harmful digital communications. You will be able to call on this agency to help resolve issues involving harmful digital communications. This agency will be able to refer matters to the District Court if a resolution can’t be reached.

3) New District Court powers. District Courts will be able to order a range of remedies for civil cases involving harmful digital communications, such as takedown orders, cease and desist orders, name suppression orders and orders to publish corrections and apologies. The District Court will not be able to give fines or prison terms, but it will be able to fine individuals up to $5,000 or sentence them to 6 months in prison if they don’t comply with District Court orders.

https://www.privacy.org.nz/news-and-publications/guidance-resources/hdca-faqs/#do-the-privacy-act-amendments-only-apply-to-digital-communications
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December 4, 2015 11:54pm
Manolo

Will he call it quits?
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/jeb-bush-campaign-free-fall-3-percent/index.html

At the other end of the polls.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/donald-trump-poll-cnn-orc-national/index.html
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December 5, 2015 6:44am
Alan Wilkinson

Correction; in my comment http://m.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/12/general_debate_4_december_2015.html#comment-1629736 I inadvertently named the wrong brother as reputedly operating LF from Australia. Phillip Nottingham should have read Antony Nottingham.
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December 5, 2015 6:53am
Manolo

Buying Erdogan’s Turkey, but for how long?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/04/turkey-detains-3000-refugees-after-eu-deal

The Turkish coastguard apprehended a total of 2,933 people, mainly from Syria and Iraq, as they were preparing to make their way to the Greek island of Lesbos from the north-western town of Ayvacik, in Çanakkale province, and sent them to a detention centre where some could face deportation, Dogan news agency reported.
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December 5, 2015 6:56am
belledejour

I didn’t read Pete George’s blog correctly the first time; it seems he was ‘served’ this ‘court order’ via email! therefore it must be bogus. I am pretty sure you need to be served papers in person. Any lawyers here can confirm this ? cheers
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