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sooty

Penny, until you pay your rates, I believe you will be only a has been, wanna be. You have no credibility. You are only a rates dodger!
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December 28, 2015 1:45pm
Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

(I pulled this one out of thin air.)

What is going to save Japan is craftsmanship, and a re-examination of the things we have left behind.
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December 28, 2015 1:46pm
stephieboy

Kimbo (4,229 comments) says:
December 28th, 2015 at 12:56 pm

I still think trying to blame children drownings on their culture – extended family is rather far fetched . Children drownings happen for a host of different reasons and certainly it’s not a Polynesian exclusive as you seem to suggest .

It most often simply comes down to adequate supervision – parental , family alertness and awareness !
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December 28, 2015 1:59pm
G152

Yeah peterwn That’s why you check everything at least 3 times before you leave the ground
so that the next ground contact you have is the one planned for..
When the ex Accident Inspector (EREBUS) was killed while walking
I claimed it must have been pedestrian error
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December 28, 2015 2:00pm
Kimbo

@ Awww C-mon

@Kimbo

I can’t find the comment you were replying to in regards to little Jack and Shelly bay, I’m a Mountie and we all no the spot and I have meet the grandparents, you describe it well as being a totally different case.

Poor little fella never returned to the family.

Who else, but stephieboy! He was responding to my initial post at 11:22am about the three year Samoan kiddie who drowned, and doing his usual mental contortions to avoid assigning any responsibility to the aberrant and deficient aspects of culture that caused the problem…and are therefore not likely to change until someone calls them out for what they are:

stephieboy (8,933 comments) says:
December 28th, 2015 at 11:33 am

Kimbo, not sure the point your trying to make . As I see it it’s no different to the drowning accident of 5 year old Jack Dixon,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10568826/Boy-swept-out-to-sea-named

It’s all about the supervision , supervision , supervision and with out your social anthropological gobbledygook .

Indian families have many similar attitudes to the Polynesian extended family like socialisation children within the extended family .Also the eldest son will usually take in and look after the parents in their declining years .

Maori and Island kids die in disproportionate numbers (and I’m not just talking drowning)…and, um, well, um, “white and Indian kids do too”…but, um, if brown kids die in greater numbers, um, well, “that is the white man’s system to blame…so stop finger-pointing and stigmatising” and throw some tax-payer money at the problem.

A classic example of how liberal left orthodoxy and agenda-setting has been facilitating and magnifying the problem of lack of responsibility and initiative with kids in the Polynesian community, rather than addressing it. Your kid, while supervised, is swept off a beach by a rogue wave in a freak accident that has never been observed in 50 years…and somehow that is the same as a three year old being allowed to wander off unobserved for an hour from a group playing volleyball by a beach…and according to stephieboy’s false equivalence, “it’s no different”.

And he’s “unsure” what my point is? No, didn’t think so…but the problem for stephieboy and his like is not conceptual, it is volitional. He does not want to accept the unwelcome fact that there are aspects of all cultures (not just white western Europeans) that are deficient, and even evil that need changing. And somehow it is more important not to “stigmatise” people or “harm their esteem” than to hold them to account for a disproportionate stream of dead kiddies. False piety and hand-wringing sanctimony from the modern vomit-inducing chardonnay socialist “people are victims” neck of the woods. I can tell you, at least the original Labour politicians – Lee, Savage, Fraser – wouldn’t have had a bar of it!
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December 28, 2015 2:05pm
nasska

Some of the problem with the substandard care of children who are part of large families may be simple neglect of what is plentiful. IOWs what is scarce is valued….what is in abundance isn’t.

Lose one…..never mind, there’s still eleven left. Easy come….easy go.
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December 28, 2015 2:15pm
Kimbo

@ stephieboy

I still think trying to blame children drownings on their culture – extended family is rather far fetched…It most often simply comes down to adequate supervision – parental , family alertness and awareness !

Ho hum. Yes or no? Was their culture entirely absent from the way this group failed (to quote you) “to (provide) adequate supervision – parental , family alertness and awareness”?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/75467982/happy-toddler-dies-in-christmas-day-drowning-tragedy

The three-year-old had been playing with several of his cousins and other children at Ocean Beach, near Waimarama, while his parents and other family members set up volleyball nets, and played a few games….Daniel said “everyone” the family knew in Flaxmere was at the beach – including many members of their church.Jimmy’s mum had been looking after her two others sons – an 18-month-old and two-year-old – and the family did not think he was in danger at any point.

“[Jimmy] was playing together with the little kids and everyone was surrounding him.”
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December 28, 2015 2:16pm
nasska

….”“[Jimmy] was playing together with the little kids and everyone was surrounding him.””….

Must have been the most unobservant bunch of surrounders on the planet.
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December 28, 2015 2:24pm
stephieboy

Kimbo, as the Herald archive link shows drownings in 2014 occurred for a host of different reasons.Show me from the link a common factor relating to Polynesian cultural shortcomings or “chardonnay socialist” victim culture ?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/drownings/news/archive.cfm?c_id=1500867

The causes are many and varied and a common onefor toddlers is lack of supervision .Remember a moments inattention can spell disaster as this family from Dargaville found with their 19 month old ,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/drownings/news/article.cfm?c_id=1500867&objectid=11411413

I happen to think your quite patronising and condescending !
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December 28, 2015 2:26pm
Kimbo

@ nasska

….”“[Jimmy] was playing together with the little kids and everyone was surrounding him.””….

Must have been the most unobservant surrounders on the planet.

Exactly! You watch him like a hawk! He’s naturally curious, willful, and mobile! Mum was looking after two others, ok, so what was dad doing? Clowning around like a big kid with all the other big kids playing fucking volleyball! With a three year-old around water! And he is a recent immigrant from a small nation…surrounded by water! How fucking dumb, careless and negligent can you be?!

He should be charged with manslaughter, just as that woman (doctor?) who accidentally left her baby in the hospital carpark in Whanganui last summer, just for the exemplary message. Judge can give a suspended sentence as he cannot punish the guy any more than the loss of the kid, but save me from the members of the church community talking pieties about what a lovely kid he was…you fuckers didn’t notice he was gone while you played like big kids yourself at volleyball. And stephieboy reckons it is “far fetched” to link this to culture?! Yeah, right. Hang out at a few island community events and you’ll change your mind.
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December 28, 2015 2:33pm
MT_Tinman

As I watched the latest drubbing of a Sri Lankan ODI team by New Zealand’s finest this afternoon I couldn’t help thinking how great it is to see the NZ cricket team, by it’s selection of uniform, backing the soon-to-be official NZ flag.
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December 28, 2015 2:34pm
Don the Kiwi

Awww C-mon (578 comments) says:
December 28th, 2015 at 1:39 pm
@Kimbo

“……………… I’m a Mountie and ……”

So how long have you been back from Canada, AwwC. 😉
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December 28, 2015 2:44pm
stephieboy

Yes , stuff ups can and do happen as with Malaysian Airlines MH 312 . Another example is American Airlines flew the wrong airline to Honolulu . TheAirbus 321 did not have proper long flight over water certification . These kind of flights include the requirement to carry additional safety features,

http://www.briansumers.com/home/2015/9/11/how-american-airlines-flew-the-wrong-a321-to-hawaii.

Recall also that Flight MH 17 just happened to be in the wrong place and a wrong time when downed by a BUK missile .

The fate of MH 370 is still undetermined but believed to be Pilot suicide .Possibly we will never ever really know for sure unless more wreckage is recovered, especially the FDR..
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December 28, 2015 2:46pm
Kimbo

@ stephieboy

Kimbo, as the Herald archive link shows drownings in 2014 occurred for a host of different reasons.Show me from the link a common factor relating to Polynesian cultural shortcomings or “chardonnay socialist” victim culture ?

Uh uh. Not so fast. You owe me an answer to a question first (from 2:16pm):

Yes or no? Was their culture entirely absent from the way this group failed (to quote you) “to (provide) adequate supervision – parental , family alertness and awareness”?

And congratulations, btw on working out the “the point your (sic) trying to make”. Not that hard when you read carefully, is it? Now, any chance you will man-up and acknowledge the false equivalence you tried to draw in the drownings of Jimmy Laulu and Jack Dixon – like, say, the fact that contrary to your original assertion, the latter supervised at all times?!

Start to do that, and also trying to disguise the cultural dynamics of the particular individual death of James Laulu in a body of general statistics to avoid the unpalatable truth that culture did play a part in his death…and you may earn yourself another answer from me.

In the mean time, first things first. Yes or no? Was their culture entirely absent from the way this group failed (to quote you) “to (provide) adequate supervision – parental , family alertness and awareness”?
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December 28, 2015 2:47pm
Awww C-mon

@don

Hahaha.

No

Wait

Fail, almost as bad as Mossey
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December 28, 2015 2:48pm
EAD

A fascinating expose – 6 million lies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSbGaux3kYU
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December 28, 2015 2:57pm
DJP6-25

Nukulea 8:16 am. Try a streaming service, or there is YouTube. It has a lot of music videos that you can d/l to a PC, or other device. Then, you can forget listening to Socialists

huevon 10:30 am. Exactly. Who needs public radio. It’s just a megaphone for the left. National would still win the next election if they sold it, or scrapped it. Leftists already hate them to the max. So it wouldn’t hurt their electoral prospects.
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December 28, 2015 3:06pm
stephieboy

EAD, save as the misery and provide us with a couple of factoids from the video that proves beyond question the Holocaust never happened ?

Now why do you hate Jews so much ? Childhood trauma ? .Molested by a Rabbi ???
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December 28, 2015 3:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I apologise to most KB readers…… but sometimes you just have to take the bull by the horns……..

Someone wasn’t paying attention yesterday…….
So let’s go over B.L.Zeebub’s posting once again

B.L.Zeebub (488 comments) says:
December 27th, 2015 at 11:19 am
learn the rule: your / you’re

your is a possessive adjective, indicating ownership of something
That is your sock.
Where is your potato?
you’re is a contraction (combination) of you and are
Do you know what you’re doing?
You’re stupid.
The two are not interchangeable.
Getting it wrong makes you look stupid. And ugly.

FFS.

Now, that wasn’t difficult, was it?
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December 28, 2015 3:12pm
Kimbo

@ stephieboy

…I happen to think your quite patronising and condescending !

Diddums. A child is needlessly drowned in a situation of shocking negligence and you are more concerned with what I have to say. Got your confirmation of how ““chardonnay socialist” victim culture” plays a part in encouraging these people to remain idiots so these sort of deaths are more likely – as confirmed by statistics?!

Like I posted earlier: –

Pacific Islanders had one of the highest rates of drowning in this county.

When it comes to mouthing platitudes and engaging in moral rationalisation compared to actually trying to find a significant cause to the disproportionate number of Polynesian kids’ deaths, I know which I think is more weighty on the scales! But then for the likes of you, being “quite patronising and condescending” is the worst sins there are, aren’t they?!

Honestly, stephie, the paint-by-numbers left wing rubbish you run, it is almost enough to make me think DPF pays you a stipend to shill for posts!
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December 28, 2015 3:15pm
stephieboy

EAD, note the figure of six million came from, a Rabbis speech in New York 1902 . It was an appeal to assist the beleaguered Jewish communities living in the Tsarist Empire that at the time included Poland .The total estimate by him was a pretty good one based on the available census data – 4 million in Russia itself and 2 million Poland,

Does your documentary tell us what happened to Poland’s 2.3 million Jews and the 1.5 million in Nazi occupied Russia WW2 ?
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December 28, 2015 3:20pm
Shawn Herles

NYC Will Fine You $250,000 For ‘Misgendering’ A Transsexual

“Did you call a transsexual person “he” or “she” when they preferred to be called “zhe?” According to a newly updated anti-discrimination law in New York City, you could be fined an eye-watering $250,000.”

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/27/nyc-will-fine-you-250000-for-misgendering-a-transsexual/
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December 28, 2015 3:22pm
Shawn Herles

Child-Murderer Kuntar is Latest Palestinian Superhero

“TEL AVIV – Samir Kuntar, the terrorist who murdered a four-year-old by smashing her skull with the butt of his rifle, is labelled the newest Palestinian “national hero” and his death is claimed to be proof that Israel is in cahoots with the Islamic State, Palestinian Media Watch reported.”

http://www.breitbart.com/jihad/2015/12/27/child-murderer-kuntar-is-latest-palestinian-superhero/
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December 28, 2015 3:28pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , David Farrar has I understand liberal views on a wide range of issues including Death with Dignity, Gay rights and Pro Choice in regard to abortion .

I think he describes himself as a classical liberal .

Do you seriously think he’s a Totalitarian liberal ? or is this claim another of example of Spencer’s, Horowitz’s and your deluded frame of mind ?
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December 28, 2015 3:28pm
Harriet

“….NYC Will Fine You $250,000 For ‘Misgendering’ A Transsexual…”

‘Caitloon’ is keeping it honest as he/it is not ‘female’ — hence he/it cannot be called ‘Caitlain’ as that would be to misgender he/it because Caitlain is associated with being ‘female’. 😎
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December 28, 2015 3:36pm
Shawn Herles

The ongoing insanity of the multicultural Left: New York Magazine Makes Light Of Female Genital Mutilation

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/27/new-left-new-york-magazine-makes-light-female-genital-mutilation/

This quote from the article could easily be a comment about stephieboy:

“Liberal comedian and political commentator Bill Maher has been critical of fellow-liberals who prefer to dogmatically cling to the mantle of tolerance while denying perspective. Maher has previously explained that there are many liberals, like Kilgore, who do not think seriously about their own stated positions on any meaningful philosophical level, but instead blindly adhere to political correctness, regardless of how it may violate their own espoused values.”
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December 28, 2015 3:38pm
cha

Samir Kuntar, the terrorist who murdered a four-year-old by smashing her skull with the butt of his rifle

Yet in 2009 a former Israeli police and Shabak psychologist said quite the opposite.

Former psychologist Zvi Sela also tells Haaretz that Samir Kuntar did not kill Danny Haran or his daughter.

[…]

“We turned Kuntar into God-knows-what – the murderer of Danny Haran and his daughter, Einat. The man who smashed in the girl’s head. That’s nonsense. A story. A fairy tale. He told me he didn’t do it and I believe him. I investigated the event within the framework of the next book I am writing, about hostage-taking incidents. As far as I am concerned, it was no more than a newspaper report. I sat with him; he was very intelligent. He was a squad commander at 17. He told me that his motive for infiltrating Nahariya was to take hostages. He said [his organization] knew that would both humiliate Israel and get them media publicity.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-could-have-made-peace-with-hamas-under-yassin-1.274217
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December 28, 2015 3:40pm
B.L.Zeebub

LoL Maggie , I damn near headbutted my keyboard when I saw the offence against grammar for the 10 thousandth time . : )
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December 28, 2015 3:41pm
stephieboy

Shawn herself , do you,as matter of interest ,believe that the President plotted to have Andrew Breitbart assassinated ?
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December 28, 2015 3:42pm
cha

Blow kills…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYigEUvG3Bo
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December 28, 2015 3:46pm
SGA

Kimbo at 3:15 pm

When it comes to mouthing platitudes and engaging in moral rationalisation compared to actually trying to find a significant cause to the disproportionate number of Polynesian kids’ deaths, I know which I think is more weighty on the scales!

I’ve never spent time in Tonga or Samoa – do the beaches there contain the same sort of risks as NZ beaches, or are they more benign? Curiosity question as much as anything (I’m wondering about the drowning rate in those places).
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December 28, 2015 3:55pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn herself , do you,as matter of interest ,believe that the President plotted to have Andrew Breitbart assassinated ?”

I’m generally not inclined to comment about grammar and formatting, as none of us are perfect, but seriously stephie, is there a reason why you post in such a way as to encourage questions about your education and intelligence?
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December 28, 2015 3:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@B.L.Zeebub

Headbutting doesn’t work….

I’ve had a lobotomy….. only way to survive in this madhouse.
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December 28, 2015 3:57pm
Shawn Herles

Christmas in Venezuela: Nothing Under the Tree: Welcome to Bernie Sanders’ vision of America.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/christmas-venezuela-nothing-under-tree
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December 28, 2015 3:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@SGA

Here’s WHO stats on drowning for 2014.
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/drownings/by-country/

Curiously, no data for Tonga, Samoa, Niue, Cook Is
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December 28, 2015 4:02pm
Shawn Herles

2015: The Year of Self-Criticism for Leftist Speech Codes?

The New Left’s monstrous movement turns on its own — but it may be too late to reverse course.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261202/2015-year-self-criticism-leftist-speech-codes-mary-grabar
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December 28, 2015 4:05pm
SGA

@Maggy
Looking a the “red” countries, rivers (and possibly seasonal flooding) seems to account for a lot of those numbers, so I’m not sure they are helpful (a number of the “red” countires are actually landlocked).
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December 28, 2015 4:05pm
Shawn Herles

Chuck Hagel Breaks His Silence: A glimpse inside the Obama inner circle’s culture of deceit and delusion.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261198/chuck-hagel-breaks-his-silence-ari-lieberman
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December 28, 2015 4:09pm
Shawn Herles

Diversity Is the Left’s Snake Oil: How far will social engineering go?

” The political left has been trying to run other people’s lives for centuries. So we should not be surprised to see the Obama administration now trying to force neighborhoods across America to have the mix of people the government wants them to have.

There are not enough poor people living in middle class neighborhoods to suit the political left. Not enough blacks in white neighborhoods. Not enough Hispanics here, not enough Asians there.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it grant the federal government the power to dictate such things. But places that do not mix and match people the way Washington wants them to can lose all sorts of federal money they currently receive under numerous programs.

Handing out vast amounts of the taxpayers’ money is the way the federal government has expanded its power far beyond the powers granted by the Constitution — thereby limiting the freedom of individuals, localities and states. Washington is essentially buying up our freedom with our own money, taken in taxes.

What makes this latest political crusade so ridiculous and so dangerous is that people have never been mixed and matched at random, either in the United States or in other countries around the world, or in any period of history.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261205/diversity-lefts-snake-oil-thomas-sowell
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December 28, 2015 4:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@SGA

Perhaps New Guinea, Fiji and Solomons could be taken as proxies…… drowning rates 3-4X that of NZ.

Here’s the closest I can get…. Eastern Samoa drowning rate 7X Mainland USA.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org.nz/article/church-supports-effort-to-decrease-number-of-drownings-in-american-samoa

…… making it about 6.7X greater than NZ
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December 28, 2015 4:26pm
Reid

Diversity Is the Left’s Snake Oil

And zionism is the right’s. Dummies that don’t understand both sides are bad, both sides are wrong and both sides are the enemy of the people, but only think along one side or the other, just like dumb animals, as-in: two legs good, four legs bad: are the reason the world is in the shit it is in.

But not only are the dummies unprepared to change their thinking, the idiots even pretend that the world isn’t in shit. In other words, not only have they completely mis-diagnosed the problem, the fucking morons don’t even know there is a problem.

What a bunch of total dipshits.
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December 28, 2015 4:29pm
Shawn Herles

The Palestinians Descend Deeper Into Depravity

“While American eyes are rightly fixed on ISIS, Palestine’s so-called “Stabbing Intifada” continues. For those unfamiliar with the latest twist in Palestinian terror tactics, Israel is beset by a spate of apparently spontaneous stabbing attacks, where (mostly) young Palestinians grab kitchen knives or other sharp objects and do their best to stab or hack to death as many Jews as possible.

The Washington Post has the chilling details: Young Palestinians with kitchen knives are waging a ceaseless campaign of near-suicidal violence that Israeli leaders are calling “a new kind of terrorism.” There were three attacks on Christmas Eve — two stabbings and one car ramming. There have been about 120 attacks and attempted assaults by Palestinians against Israelis since early October, an average of more than one a day. At least 20 Israelis have been killed; more than 80 Palestinians have been shot dead by security forces and armed civilians during the assaults. There is a numbing repetition to the news: knife-wielding Palestinian at a military checkpoint or bus stop shot dead at the scene — or “neutralized,” as the Israeli media call it.

Many of the assaults or their aftermaths have been captured on cellphone videos. The Post calls it “a shapeless rebellion of individuals driven by an unknowable combination of hate and despair.” The hate is clear enough. This is what happens when you raise a generation of young people to believe that Jews are subhuman, that all of Israel rightly belongs to the Palestinians, and that the most vicious of child-killing terrorists are in fact glorious martyrs, worthy of remembrance with their names on public buildings.

The “despair,” however, is less convincing. The Palestinians have been offered their own state on multiple occasions — each time rejecting true independence to continue their perpetual struggle to annihilate Israel. I suppose if one of the animating purposes of Palestinian culture is the total destruction of Israel, then it does indeed cause “despair” to see Israel continue to survive and even thrive.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/429022/stabbing-intifada-palestinians-descend-depravity
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December 28, 2015 4:38pm
Shawn Herles

Atheists and Christians Join Together to Defend Freedom of Speech

” In a surprising alliance, atheists and Christians have joined together to defend freedom of speech from a new government law in the U.K.

Christian Today reports that The Christian Institute and the National Secular Society have joined together to fight the introduction of Extremism Disruption Orders next year.

Leaders of both organizations have stated that the new legislation could seriously restrict the free speech rights of ordinary citizens.”

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/atheists-and-christians-join-together-to-defend-freedom-of-speech.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=chupdate
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December 28, 2015 4:52pm
Odakyu-sen

Let’s try a thought experiment.

Which approach is the more moral? A or B?

Situation: a disproportionate number of Polynesian kids’ deaths by drowning.
Approach A: Say this. Blame that. Advocate this. Call for that.
Result: no significant change in number of Polynesian kids’ deaths by drowning.

Situation: a disproportionate number of Polynesian kids’ deaths by drowning.
Approach B: Say this. Blame that. Advocate this. Call for that.
Result: significant decline in the number of Polynesian kids’ deaths by drowning.

I put it to you that morality ought to be measured by results; not what is said or done.
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December 28, 2015 4:54pm
Shawn Herles

UK breaks with Obama on the Muslim Brotherhood

“When even David Cameron, thoroughly compromised to Islamic supremacists and in near-total denial about the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat, is tougher than Obama on a stealth jihad group such as the Muslim Brotherhood, you know we’re in deep trouble.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/12/uk-breaks-with-obama-declares-muslim-brotherhood-a-terror-organization

Both Obama and Hillary have strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, the granddaddy of Islamic terrorism.
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December 28, 2015 5:00pm
nasska

You’re showing your age Odakyu-sen. Nowadays the actual deaths matter less than the mealy mouthed platitudes designed not to cause offense.

As we can see in the thread above PC has dealt a crushing blow to pragmatism.
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December 28, 2015 5:02pm
Jack5

The African student who is at Oxford on a Rhodes scholarship but wants statues of Rhodes removed, has turned his attention to France.

Ntokozo Qwabe, co-founder of the movement, “Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford”, says France has committed acts of terror and he wants the French flag banned on all university campuses.

What a waste, giving a free Western education to a West hater like this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12070736/Oxford-student-behind-Cecil-Rhodes-campaign-wants-French-flag-banned-on-campuses.html
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December 28, 2015 5:05pm
Manolo

That shit-hole, Afghanistan, is worthless.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/a-year-of-taliban-gains-shows-that-we-havent-delivered-top-afghan-official-says/2015/12/27/172213e8-9cfb-11e5-9ad2-568d814bbf3b_story.html

In private, top Afghan and American officials have begun to voice increasingly grim assessments of the resurgent Taliban threat, most notably in a previously undisclosed transcript of a late-October meeting of the Afghan National Security Council.
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December 28, 2015 5:35pm
Inandout

stephieboy 3.10: Oh look not molested by a Rabbi, but by mosque dwelling imams. You see there are very few camels in the UK, so needs must.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/uk-muslim-community-vilifies-mother-for-reporting-imams-child-abuse
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December 28, 2015 5:43pm
Manolo

Sure to enrage Griff:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/28/climate-sceptic-maurice-newman-says-world-leaders-embracing-junk-science

A noted climate change sceptic, Newman has accused western capitalist societies of giving up on rational thinking.

“They embrace junk science and junk economics and adopt wealth-destroying postmodern pseudo-economics, which teaches that taxpayer subsidies can produce desirable ‘economic transformation’ and faster growth,” Newman wrote in the Australian.

“Climate change has cowed once great powers into meekly surrendering sovereignty and independent thought to unelected bureaucrats in Geneva. From the White House to the Lodge, private choice now runs a distant second to collectivist visions.”
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December 28, 2015 5:58pm
Manolo

Allahu akbar was the missing phrase. Multiculturalism Aussie-style:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3375909/Woman-threatens-stab-man-chisel-Sydney-train.html
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December 28, 2015 6:04pm
Manolo

We shall know in November 2016:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1227-mcmanus-obama-year-20151227-column.html

But does it even matter whether the public approves of a president in his final years in office? Yes; there’s more at stake than vanity.

If Obama wants his work to survive, he needs to have a Democrat succeed him. “I will campaign very hard to make that happen, for a whole variety of reasons,” he said at his news conference.
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December 28, 2015 6:17pm
Fletch

Shawn @ 3:38pm, that goes some way to explaining why some Middle Eastern men are so given to rape when they have the chance. The whole society has been sexually repressed. Victims of some backward version of Puritanism. From the article at the same link you quoted from –

“Usually involves the complete removal of the clitoris, and often the removal of some of the inner and outer labia. In its most extreme form–infibulation–almost all the external genitalia are cut away, the remaining flesh from the outer labia is sewn together, or infibulated, and the girl’s legs are bound from ankle to waist for several weeks while scar tissue closes up the vagina almost completely. A small hole, typically about the diameter of a pencil, is left for urination and menstruation. The cutting is usually done with a razor, a kitchen knife, or a pair of scissors. It is rare for any anesthesia to be used.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/27/new-left-new-york-magazine-makes-light-female-genital-mutilation/

So the men can’t have sex with those women who are made victims of this mutilation. It seems they often take out their sexual frustration where and when they can. A man married to one of the women who have suffered this abuse cannot take any pleasure from her. It’s sick. Makes me want to puke at the meanness of this. The sheer heartless brutality.
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December 28, 2015 6:27pm
Manolo

No, he did not mention Andrei. 😀 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34866597

When Vladimir Putin first came to power, he was asked in an interview which of his colleagues he trusted most.
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December 28, 2015 6:29pm
Manolo

The sheer heartless brutality.

Abetted, propagated and supported by a vile and barbaric religion: Islam, the cult of death.
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December 28, 2015 6:35pm
nasska

….”It’s sick. Makes me want to puke at the meanness of this. The sheer heartless brutality.”….

Agreed. It’s what happens when people surrender their feeble minds to the sellers of smoke.

War, pestilence, cruelty, murder all in the name of imaginary gods.
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December 28, 2015 6:37pm
Kimbo

@ SGA

I’ve never spent time in Tonga or Samoa – do the beaches there contain the same sort of risks as NZ beaches, or are they more benign? Curiosity question as much as anything (I’m wondering about the drowning rate in those places).

Some answers here:

Money is a key reason for lack of swimming skills in the Pacific community, water safety advocate Lepeti Tea says. The cost of transporting children to swimming lessons and the fees themselves put parents off, but water skills education is vital to turning around drowning rates, she says.

“I want to get the Pacific community to start forking out and make it a priority.”

A free water skills workshop has been organised by Ms Tea in response to her growing concerns about Pacific people drowning in recent years.

“Late last year I just thought ‘you know what, something’s got to be done’.”

She contacted Water Safety New Zealand, who has contracted her to expand Auckland’s Pasifika water education programme to Wellington. Families are invited to Cannon’s Creek Pool on January 28 for a day of fun activities emphasising safety in rivers, around rips and while snorkelling.

“It’s about teaching people to have the skills to survive in the water,” Ms Tea says.

Beyond money, the Pacific community’s fraught relationship with the water is embedded in cultural behaviour from modesty to machismo, Ms Tea says.

Many grew up in the islands surrounded by water and were over-confident in their swimming abilities, she says.

“We think ‘oh, we’re strong in the water, we’re strong athletes, we’ll be fine’. But no, it’s killing us.”

New Zealand’s rip-prone beaches were totally different from the often calm lagoons Pacific people grew up with, she said.

“The currents, the sea, is different.”

Whakama, or modesty about being seen wearing revealing swimsuits, often leads Islanders to swim in isolated spots unmonitored by lifeguards, Ms Tea says. Alternatively, they might wear sarongs or everyday clothing in the water, which weighs them down when they need to swim to safety.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapi-mana-news/6302325/Drownings-hit-Pacific-families-too-regularly

So just to be clear, if, according to stephieboy I am (note the added exclamation mark)

quite patronising and condescending !

…when I say that cultural factors played a part in the death of Jimmy Laulu, what does that make Lepeti Tea when she says the same thing about her own people?!
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December 28, 2015 6:40pm
nasska

…..”Whakama, or modesty about being seen wearing revealing swimsuits, often leads Islanders to swim in isolated spots unmonitored by lifeguards, Ms Tea says. Alternatively, they might wear sarongs or everyday clothing in the water, which weighs them down when they need to swim to safety.”…..

Modesty be buggered! With the excesses of KFC & povi masima they’re scared of being mistaken for whales & harpooned.
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December 28, 2015 6:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Female genital mutilation in New Zealand

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/262276/tackling-fgm-in-new-zealand
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December 28, 2015 6:47pm
starboard

The filthy muslim vermin..I would have taken the knife off her and shoved it up her arse Manolo.
Who the fuck do they think they are.
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December 28, 2015 7:00pm
Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

Do they have rip-roaring surf beaches in the Pacific Islands? (You know, the kinds with undertows strong enough to pull a Hino truck.)

That would be a totally different environment to a baby-bath of a tropical lagoon.
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December 28, 2015 8:51pm
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

Do they have rip-roaring surf beaches in the Pacific Islands? (You know, the kinds with undertows strong enough to pull a Hino truck.)

That would be a totally different environment to a baby-bath of a tropical lagoon.

As per the link above, generally, no. But despite that, this link: –

The need for swimming pools in American Samoa is driven by the territory’s annual rate of accidental deaths by drowning which is seven times higher than other parts of the United States.

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org.nz/article/church-supports-effort-to-decrease-number-of-drownings-in-american-samoa

…gives a good comparative insight of drownings in the Pacific Islands, irrespective of ocean conditions. So it seems it is simply accepted as “one of those things”. And things only change if

1. People individually and collectively accept responsibility

2. People individually and collectively accept the need for change

3. People individually and collectively accept the need to give up privilege

4. People individually and collectively accept the inconvenience/difficulty.

5. People individually and collectively accept the value of forging new pathways.

…and pious sanctimonious talk about “what a lovely kid he was” are usually camouflage to disguise the fact none of those things are really on the agenda,
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December 28, 2015 9:23pm
Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

As you know, the “it’s just one of those things” mentality can be very strongly entrenched in rural, conservative and uneducated cultures (and I include those in Japan among them).

“Forging new pathways” might cost certain elements in traditional societies a lot of power, and they certainly don’t want that. Once you teach the common man to think critically, it puts a lot of entrenched privilege at risk.
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December 28, 2015 9:48pm
Longknives

Just watched that Muslim woman threatening the Asian guy with a Chisel that Manolo posted. (In Sydney of all places!)
This is our future- As we seem hellbent on flooding our Country with alleged Muslim ‘Refugees’..

God help us all…They are a Bloodthirsty Barbaric Cult.
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December 28, 2015 10:04pm
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

As you know, the “it’s just one of those things” mentality can be very strongly entrenched in rural, conservative and uneducated cultures (and I include those in Japan among them).

And New Zealand. This is not just a “pick on other cultures, especially the Pacific Islanders (or Maori) thing. Think smoking (which, to her credit Helen Clark did much to save the lives of tens of thousands of Kiwis), and on a lesser scale, quad bike deaths.
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December 28, 2015 10:27pm
RF

Manolo. 11.36am.

Interesting comments about Micky Savage. He is definitately not a happy chappie. In a round about way I have been close to him lately and can report that he has a permanent scowl on his ugly dial and according to friends and associates is a grumpy bastard. Not sure if it’s problems on the home front or backlash from his association with Cunners as there was some serious anti feelings in caucus about Cunners leading up to Xmas. Micky was noted as being a liability and I believe is due for a DCM. Don’t come Monday.

Happy new year. There is a god.
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December 28, 2015 11:14pm
itstricky

So, it might be “problems on the home front” but you’re happy that there is a God? That’s a particularly nasty and sanctimonious thing to say. Disliking someone for their politics is one thing, actively wishing someone close to them had a terrible disease is another. What you’ve just said was of the latter, and it ain’t pretty.
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December 28, 2015 11:28pm
Left Right and Centre

disclaimer – this whole comment isn’t anything too close to my heart and mostly crap – it helps me think about life though.

(1) Talking of Islanders – why do they all want to leave the islands for a better life ? What’s wrong with the islands ? What do they do there, hit you with a stick or something ?

If NZ opened the floodgates open invite – would they *all* come here for a ‘better life’ ?
And that’s some better life – coming to NZ and slaving as a cleaner, English barrier – no qualifications. Do they have school and qualifications in the Islands ? Can any of them do things like maths and science ? Like – any of them ?
How’s that better life going in South Auckland and Porirua East ? We’ve made it – look at us now – look at our beautiful rundown overcrowded state house. Yeah, but it will be better for our kids. Yeah – some of them maybe. Most of them ? How are they doing in school ?

Drowned Island child – the key word there . . they were from ‘Flaxmere’. As per comments above – Islanders ain’t a shrinking population – quite the opposite. Dumb as hammers a lot of them. I don’t want to type that but it’s just the truth of it and that’s it.

(2) Film word censorship – it seems we’ve finally left the dark ages – NZ has turned the corner and now films are as intended with all the naughty words that were deemed to be oh too dreadful for our precious little poppet ears to bear left in. Aaaaah – that’s better !! It makes me want to start a new life as a director just to make some piece of utter filth that swears non-stop for ninety straight minutes on the telly release. I’d have to put a fourth wall breaking line in for ad break editing to the effect of ‘don’t even think about getting up off your big fat faggot mother-fucking ass and going nowhere, do it and I will end you and everyone close to you. Move and you’re one dead fucking *c&%nt*’ !!.

(3) End of year work parties (don’t make me say it) – comments on Stuff – geez Wayne – why do these people think that they are owed social functions by employers ? As of right ? They don’t have to do nothing (syntax intended). Why don’t these geniuses stop to think ? Just – stop to think about it a bit. Ponder.

What they hate is that people *are* treated differently depending on who they work for and what they do. So – say a law firm might have a lavish flash end of year work do. Yeah, well . . . they’re lawyers. Or IT folks. Or engineers. Or airline pilots. They’ve made it mate – and part of that is that they might have (not of) got (not gotten) a nice shindig. People aren’t all equal.

Otherwise we’re looking at laws that say – because not all employers put on social functions – we’re going to have an equal society. No-one can have a party. By law. Or – the law is – every employer has to do *something*. Far out, really ?

Ok, it’s nice if an employer puts something on or contributes in part etc – who are these people who feel that they deserve and *expect to get* it ? They’re owed a party because – because why ? Why have they jumped to ‘I’m owed something here’. The reasons given are hilarious. Because they worked hard and did extra things for nothing. Well – I’d remember that come January then. No party ? Just do your job according to description. ‘No party means I don’t feel respected or rewarded for the effort I’ve made all year’. Man, these people – do they care a little bit too much about their stinking end of year parties and how it reflects on their status or performance as an employee ? Please.

But then, I suppose that’s the NZ labour economy. I don’t know how many people ask the legitimate question – what’s the expected level of performance for these tasks and duties considering the likely pay range ? Next !! I’ll bet none of them asked ‘do you provide end of year parties’ ? How about – do we still get one even if you think I didn’t work my ring off all year ?

Anyone stupid enough to think they are owed social functions automatically signals with that thinking that they are not high enough up the ladder to be someone that’s likely to get one anyway.
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