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December 27, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 27 December 2015

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jcuk

Another driving tale … I was coming down Carroll street in Dunedin on the 26th and wondering which street I was in so looking for the non-existent street names and at the intersection I saw a giveway sign on each side . I had looked right and then left for the signs and was travelling moderately slowly when this big black car, SUV?, tinted windows, decided to rush across in front of me and if I had not good reaction times and brakes I would have taken him/her out. It cleared me by cms …. frankly I was in shock and grateful no contact BUT I agree after seeing the antics of drivers around Dunedin following the holiday there seems to be a death wish and I hope I am not involved.
Whenever I see an f,g, h, j, numberplate I watch for trouble as the hoons, otherwise respectable citizens for sure, with their powerful new cars they are learning to drive are trouble in the making …. my SUV is a C plate so I’m biased for sure 🙂
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December 27, 2015 6:00pm
Kiwi Dave

Kimbo@ 4.04

Yes, it’s a Latin import which should worry only pedants who think that to deliberately split infinitives is to egregiously offend against the rules of English grammar. In fact, because of their position-dependent sensitivity to meaning, sometimes the middle of an infinitive is the best place for adverbs, eg, ‘She underestimated the difficulty yesterday; now she wants to really try her hardest.’
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December 27, 2015 6:26pm
Kimbo

@ Kiwi Dave

In fact, because of their position-dependent sensitivity to meaning, sometimes the middle of an infinitive is the best place for adverbs, eg, ‘She underestimated the difficulty yesterday; now she wants to really try her hardest.’

Umm, I’m not sure about that example, which maybe proves why you don’t go splitting an infinitive, as it is a complete grammatical/syntactical “sense unit”. If “she wants to try her hardest“, then the adverb “really” is redundant, is it not? Sort of one of those examples where needless adverbs litter speech.

Like on Kiwiblog, where you know someone is trying to polish a turd of an idea by the use of “obviously”, “clearly”, “completely”, “absolutely”, and “definitely”…when in all likelihood their argument is none of those!
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December 27, 2015 6:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Kimbo

A hyperbaton (note the spelling!) could be an example of a solecism, but it is not necessarily grammatically incorrect.

It is just a reversal of word order in a sentence.

I suppose most solecisms on KB are accidental…… but a deliberate solecism denotes style.
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December 27, 2015 6:57pm
starboard

..I suppose it beats discussing religion..
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December 27, 2015 6:59pm
Don the Kiwi

With your knowledge, Maggy, fascinated am I.

How’s that? 🙂
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December 27, 2015 7:01pm
Stars And Stripes

Talking about drownings, well if you thought that the natives in this country are overrepresented then you are right as they are cronic drowners according to the statistics.
Well help is at hand because a little lefty sop has got a $120000 grant to study why they are so good at drowning.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/292802/why-do-so-many-maori-drown

Of course we already know what the conclusions will be, it’s the white mans fault due to colonization and lack of access to traditional water rights blah blah blah.
Funny that because mostly I thought it was a result of poor parental skills and supervision.
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December 27, 2015 7:04pm
Kimbo

@ Maggy Wassilieff

A hyperbaton (note the spelling!)

Oh, yes! The etymology is Greek, not Latin.
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December 27, 2015 7:15pm
nasska

May I suggest “The Pedants’ Progress” as a working title for today’s GD? 🙂
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December 27, 2015 7:19pm
Longknives

Here it is Stars and Stripes-

“Do we still have the knowledge that our tupuna had prior to colonisation, and do we still have that matauranga around being safe in the water and around our cultural connection to water?”..

‘Colonisation’ is clearly to blame! Nothing to do with being shithouse parents at all…
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December 27, 2015 7:24pm
Stars And Stripes

Shame the TAB did not offer odds on that one Longknives as we could have done quite well out of it.
The researcher Chanel Phillips,very European sounding name I must say.
Sounds like she has a terrible case of white mans guilt which I suspect is only going to get worst.
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December 27, 2015 7:32pm
Manolo

Telling the truth about some cowardly refugees:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/27/czech-president-migrants-should-be-fighting-isis-not-invading-europe

The Czech president, Milos Zeman, has called the movement of refugees into Europe “an organised invasion” and declared that young men from Syria and Iraq should stay in their countries to “take up arms” against Isis.

“I am profoundly convinced that we are facing an organised invasion and not a spontaneous movement of refugees,” said Zeman.
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December 27, 2015 7:57pm
itstricky

Shame the TAB did not offer odds on that one Longknives

Wouldn’t need the TAB to offer me odds on you being arsewipes gloating over a child’s death.
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December 27, 2015 8:04pm
Stars And Stripes

itstricky-while you are at the welfare office tomorrow why don’t you see whether you can also bludge some free counselling sessions to help you deal with your grief.
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December 27, 2015 8:14pm
Manolo

The bastards never rest:
http://www.france24.com/en/20151226-bosnia-says-arrests-foiled-islamist-attack-sarajevo

A Bosnian anti-terrorism prosecutor has said the recent arrests of 11 suspected jihadists prevented an attack that purportedly would have killed around 100 holiday revellers in Sarajevo, state television said Saturday.
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December 27, 2015 8:15pm
Manolo

Will the usual dhimmis and apologists feel for ISIS?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/12/26/iraqi-forces-close-in-on-final-islamic-state-post-in-ramadi.html?intcmp=hplnws

Iraq’s military said it was closing in Friday on a former government compound in Ramadi that remains the only area of the city still under Islamic State control.
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December 27, 2015 8:29pm
Kiwi Dave

Yes, Kimbo, the ‘really’ is redundant, but if you include it and omit ‘her hardest’, it’s in the right place.
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December 27, 2015 8:39pm
Kiwi Dave

Longknives @ 7.24
Looking at the description of the ‘research’ – a textual analysis of the Maori text – I suspect it’s not going to include any solid statistics which might control for social class, swim training, geographic distribution. This looks like an exercise in confirmation bias.
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December 27, 2015 8:50pm
itstricky

itstricky-while you are at the welfare office tomorrow why don’t you see whether you can also bludge some free counselling sessions to help you deal with your grief.

And my points, and presumptions, are magnificently proved.
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December 27, 2015 8:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

In the 19thC drowning was known as the NZ disease.

It has been a constant in this country’s history.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sooty/miscnzdrownings.html
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December 27, 2015 8:59pm
Inandout

Manolo 8.15: I just love the defence lawyers’ explanation – ‘they were merely practicing their religion’. Of course they were, they are Muslims, and are known to worship explosives.

26 December 2015 – 13H25
Bosnia says arrests foiled Islamist attack in Sarajevo

‘A Bosnian anti-terrorism prosecutor has said the recent arrests of 11 suspected jihadists prevented an attack that purportedly would have killed around 100 holiday revellers in Sarajevo, state television said Saturday.

The arrests were carried out Tuesday in several parts of the Bosnian capital.

On Friday, a Sarajevo court ordered eight of the suspects to be held for 30 days, Bosnian television reported.

It quoted prosecutor Dubravko Campara as telling an investigating magistrate that the group were planning “a terrorist act during end-of-year celebrations.”

“They were threatening to carry out an explosives attack in which 100 people would be killed,” RTRS television quoted Campara as saying.

The suspects’ lawyers dismissed the allegations as a “simple farce” and said their clients were merely “practising their religion”.

Prosecutors said the suspects habitually gathered at a place of worship set up in a rented house in a Sarajevo suburb.

After the arrests, prosecutors gave reporters a photograph taken at the site showing a printout of the Islamic State group flag on the wall’
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December 27, 2015 8:59pm
Manolo

Darwinism at work:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3375091/Horrified-witnesses-watching-man-walk-cliff-looking-phone-screaming-Help-God-save-bystanders-tried-save-him.html

A man distracted by an electronic device fell 60 feet to his death off a California cliff on Christmas Day.

Witnesses stated seeing someone distracted by an electronic device and he just fell over the edge. ‘(He) wasn’t watching where he was walking, he was looking down at the device in his hands.’
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December 27, 2015 9:03pm
Manolo

Reaping the benefits of UK-style multiculturalism:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4649979.ece

Muslims are boycotting the country’s key anti-radicalisation programme, The Times can disclose, after it emerged that less than a tenth of extremism tip-offs were coming directly from the community or faith leaders.
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December 27, 2015 9:09pm
nasska

Most copies of the Koran are printed in Arabic and their content is backwards.

Also, it reads from right to left.
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December 27, 2015 9:13pm
Manolo

@nasska: So, it can be used as toilet paper from the beginning of the book. Right.
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December 27, 2015 9:18pm
Kimbo

@ Kiwi Dave

Yes, Kimbo, the ‘really’ is redundant, but if you include it and omit ‘her hardest’, it’s in the right place.

Hmm. Yes, but…why would you do that, when “to try her her hardest” is better than “to try really hard”? You either try hard/harder/ your hardest…or you don’t try anywhere near the extent you can. “Really” in the context is one of those ‘nothing’ words that takes up space while dissipating precision, like “nice”.
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December 27, 2015 9:52pm
Kimbo

@ Manolo

@nasska: So, it can be used as toilet paper from the beginning of the book. Right.

First question my mother-in-law asked me (via phone and an interpreter), “How are you?”

Second question: “Do you read holy Koran?”

I was tempted to give your answer, or, “no, but it makes bloody good fire wood”…but decided in the interest of family diplomacy that, “No…but I do read Ingil (The Gospels) How about you?” was slightly less confrontational. 😉
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December 27, 2015 9:59pm
Left Right and Centre

(1) You know you’re a bit of a nerd when you’ve just finished reading a book the other day and come home to hear someone reading an early chapter on National Radio. Peter Williams QC – The Dwarf That Moved. Loved it, finished it in a sprint.

(2) I think Maggy and downtick should get a room – Maggy can school downtick about grammar style guides, teach it the difference between ‘could have’ and ‘could of’ etc – where to put commas and apostrophes and how to use them with style, not catastrophe.

And then when after however long that takes – and downtick is fixed and all better and ready to type work of art comments that don’t grate or grind nor send one blind . . . I think everyone can agree it would be wonderful if Maggy picked up a very *very* large doorstep of an OED volume – and beat downtick to a pulp. Let’s look up ‘hiding’. Ok – next it’s ‘beating’. Look up a word – and provide a physical demonstration of the definition.

You’re going to see a lot more of ‘could of’ and ‘would of’. A lot, lot more. At least you get some sweet cardio attempting to slap off all the stupid.

(I aint claiming perfection either. Fucked if you’ll ever see me type fuckin ‘could of’ though. That shit is just some plain nasty ugly ignorant beginner bullpucky)
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December 28, 2015 4:41am
mikenmild

My pet hate is ‘your’ instead of ‘you’re’. As in ‘your ignorant’. Fucking right – you’re ignorant, and your ignorance hurts.
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December 28, 2015 7:00am
jcuk

But MM what about She’ll and he’ll or are they polite forms of hell or shit hell?
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December 28, 2015 7:35am
mikenmild

I could go on for a long time about difficulties with spelling and grammar. It’s probably pointless on a blog site though, where everyone makes mistakes from time to time.
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December 28, 2015 7:43am
MT_Tinman

I aint claiming perfection either.

You are correct.

ain’t is a contraction of am not and is written (typed) with the apostrophe between the n and the t.
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