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Manolo

Tolerance is the name of the game in this lovely place:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3369213/Brunei-BANS-Christmas-threatens-Muslims-celebrate-five-years-prison-Christians-organising-celebrations-warned-jailed.html

The super-rich ruler of Brunei has told residents of his country that if they plan on celebrating Christmas, they could face up to five years in jail.

In fear the the religious holiday will affect the faith of its country, the tiny oil-rich nation’s Sultan, Hassanal Bolkiah, has banned the public celebration of Christmas. Any Muslims caught celebrating Christmas, and non-Muslims who are discovered organising celebrations, could face the lengthy prison sentence.

Banned activities include putting up Christmas trees, singing religious songs and sending Christmas greetings, reported the Borneo Bulletin.
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December 22, 2015 1:08pm
Yvette

Penny Bright

Last week she delivered a partially completed rates postponement application, along with a list of demands of council, Auckland Council said in a statement.

A fully honest and transparent protester acting with the greatest of integrity, having so often announced other of her interests here, and proclaimed so many other matters “For your information, kiwibloggers”, should surely have told us too that she has delivered this partially completed rates postponement application to Auckland Council, and told us what is on her list of demands … For Our Information

No?

Is she even more selective, and biased in her presentation of FACTS than is Nicky Hager.
As he is more propagandist than investigative author, so Penny is more anti-corporate political activist than public watchdog.
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December 22, 2015 1:08pm
Keeping Stock

So – what do all the purported Kiwiblogger ‘lawyers’ have to say about this?

Apart from the fact that the Auckland Council, and its predecessor Auckland City Council have been exceedingly lax in allowing anyone to go eight years without paying rates, I say “Go Council” as they try whatever legal remedies are available to them in dealing with a self-serving, hypocritical delinquent non-ratepayer.
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December 22, 2015 1:27pm
fernglas

Dear me, Penny. Applying to postpone payment of your rates looks awfully like you concede a liability to pay them; you cannot postpone payment of that which you do not owe. Or is it simply another delaying tactic to prevent what you see as the inevitable outcome? By the way, have you thought about what you are going to do about your rate liability when you are elected? You certainly haven’t been willing to say you would not interfere, so I assume you have a considered policy about what you will do.
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December 22, 2015 1:28pm
Inandout

Import Muslims and feel the love, import hordes of Muslims and feel even more love:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/626885/Islamic-State-ISIS-letters-Sweden-convert-Islam-decapitated-murder-jihadi-Syria

Never in modern times have immigrants like these been taken in by Western countries; these pricks are pure evil.
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December 22, 2015 1:28pm
James Stephenson

The bric a bats that Obama has received are ;largely simply based on the colour of his skin !

He gets flack for his non-performance in office, having been elected simply because of the colour of his skin.
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December 22, 2015 1:30pm
Manolo

I’d say “Go Council” too. Impound the property, sell it and get the rates-money from it.
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December 22, 2015 1:31pm
All_on_Red

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“A Christmas tree — the perfect gift for a guy… The plant is already dead.” -@JayLeno.
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December 22, 2015 1:38pm
notrotsky

“So – what do all the purported Kiwiblogger ‘lawyers’ have to say about this?”

In my opinion you are a demented old trout who stinks of her own pee.

http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/auckland-occupy-protestors-struggle-with-police-at-aotea-square–extended-video-2012012611#axzz3v0Qz6Hfa
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December 22, 2015 1:40pm
Sofia

As Yvette mentions –
Last week she delivered a partially completed rates postponement application, along with a list of demands of council, Auckland Council said in a statement.

Completing, or even partly filling in, a rates postponement application indicates a possible intention to pay arrears, and in Penny’s case that would be rates covering a period when she believes the Council has not met the demands she believes they should, under a section of the Local Government Act which she conveniently discovered about this time last year.

A list of demands of course can only relate to upcoming rates.

So it seems the whole thing, when it comes to a crunch, may all be a little flexible in Penny’s mind? Regardless of any demands now, will she pay the arrears for 2007 to date, when the Council was not being transparent?

Is she hoist by her own petard?

[hoist with (or by) one’s own petard – have one’s plans to cause trouble for others backfire on one. [ORIGIN: from Shakespeare’s Hamlet ( iii. iv. 207)
further ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from French pétard, from péter ‘break wind.’
– can be “a small explosion between the legs”]
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December 22, 2015 1:46pm
cha

For the ammosexuals – ▄︻̷̿┻̿═━一
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December 22, 2015 1:47pm
Manolo

Matched with the rate-bludger, they would make a lovely pair.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12063037/Jeremy-Corbyn-says-he-would-pick-Bolivia-if-he-had-to-live-outside-Britain.html

Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he would choose to live in Bolivia – the socialist South American nation – if he had to move away from Britain.
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December 22, 2015 1:53pm
Fletch

The bric a bats that Obama has received are ;largely simply based on the colour of his skin !

As Manolo said, it’s because he is useless. This argument that conservatives don’t like Obama because they are racist is just stupid and a way to attack anyone who dislikes Obama. Radicals do not have any other argument to explain away Obama’s incompetence so have to go on the attack with a lame excuse. Allen West is black and I’d gladly have him as the president.

Obama has fked up the country. More unemployed, more national debt, race relations set back years, healthcare more expensive and in worse shape than when he started. Foreign policy is in the sh*tter. He has given Iran the Bomb and kowtowed to Muslim countries. The pulling out of all troops in Iraq leading to the rise of ISIS. The failure of just about every green company his govt subsidised (one of the biggest being Solyndra).

He ignores the Constitution, ruling instead by executive fiat of “his phone and pen”. He chooses which laws he will follow or not – eg, he has told ICE to ignore border laws and let immigrants into the country illegally.

And the scandals. The NSA spying, the using of the IRS against conservative groups, Benghazi, Fast and Furious and the death of border agent Brian Terry. The VA scandal. The prisoner swap for deserter Bowe Bergdahl. I could go on…

All while he and his family live it up in the WH, go on vacation after vacation (he has just jetted off to Hawaii again for Christmas, at a cost of millions to the taxpayer), and he plays golf.
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December 22, 2015 1:58pm
mikenmild

Allen West is black and I’d gladly have him as the president

Obama might not be perfect, but at least he’s not a war criminal…
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December 22, 2015 2:01pm
flipper

Kimbo…

BT and RDM ran hot and cold. But BT had a good working relationship[p with NEK at a party political level so RDM settled for that.

Muldoon and Skinner ? A touch of Kiwi Keith and Tom. But never that close.

But Muldoon and Talboys together were great dinner guests, especially if Hiss and Roar was also present to yank chain or two. 🙂
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December 22, 2015 2:24pm
cha

This argument that conservatives don’t like Obama because they are racist is just stupid and a way to attack anyone who dislikes Obama.

Only if you choose to ignore page after page of shit just like this.

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Obama should just stay over there and find him a little African country to run.

[…]

Where was Obama, blowing dogs at the bath houses?

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Let this LIAR and fat so muchella STAY THERE…………..

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Would be the perfect time for the first cow to get that saucer fitted for that lip.

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Moochelle can be fitted for a lot of neck rings. It will help keep her nose in the air because she has such a big head

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I agree that the saucer and rings would make her culturally compliant along with her other offensive attributes.

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The Obamas…back to their roots…the jungles & trees of Africa.

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If they don’t want o be associated with jungles and trees then they shouldn’t claim t be “African” Americans.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/06/Obama-snubs-Thatcher-attends-Mandela
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December 22, 2015 2:25pm
All_on_Red

“All_on_Red , and all those like you who can’t stand the thought of a Black family living in the White House.”
Getting desperate Stephie. Lol Merry Christmas
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December 22, 2015 2:28pm
cha

Lots more like these too.

I also bet there are never going to be questions about whether or not Candy is actually a woman.

[…]

Candace Weeks t would be nice to HAVE a first lady. What we have now is a first tranny.

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She still is ugly as the south end of a north bound baboon.

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you made a mistake by calling Michelle a lady it is a man name Michael.

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Michelle Obama is ugly inside and out

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Has anyone forgotten what Moochelle looked like in 2007??? She has had ALOT OF WORK DONE.

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She’s still looks like a baboon and dresses like a slut

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she looks like a dude in drag.

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I find Candy Carson to be a much more beautiful and genuinely kind and caring person than Michelle Obama! Besides, a woman who loves God has an inner beauty that is far more beautiful than an ungodly and evil woman! All the latest designer clothes, perfectly coiffed hair and professional makeup can’t hide evil, it always shows itself eventually!

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Even though I am an attractive man, I married a woman who was less physically appealing. She was the best thing to happen in my life, by far. I am sure Mrs. Carson is by far a supierior woman than Michelle. It might be because of whom they both hang with.

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Michelle is a classless American hateing cow that was so dishonest she had to give up her law licence before she was disbarred She has done everything in her power to help her illegal husband bring down this country and turn it into another Kenya and liberals have the nerve to talk about Mrs.Carsons looks an cloths good luck with that

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I still think Michelle Obama is a man!

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Me too! I always have, she is so masculine!

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WHEN did Mr.Ed o’vomit become a beautiful woman ? The First Lady looks like the First HORSE Lady !!!!!!!! I can just hear here whinning……Ohhhhhhhh Wilbur ( I mean o’vomit )!!!!

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Michelle obozo= FUGLY.

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Moochelle looks like a bag of smashed ass holes. Probably smells about the same too.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/10/448370-2-cruel-joke-mrs-carson-making-rounds-not-everyone-laughing/
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December 22, 2015 2:30pm
stephieboy

fletch , appears to be something you c and p from WND, Fox or frontpage etc . The IRS, and Benngazi And Brian Terry are far right beat ups.

Now what became of the partisan Benghazi congressional investigation I wonder ?

http://prospect.org/article/trey-gowdys-bad-benghazi-hand
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December 22, 2015 2:30pm
Fletch

cha, you can find plenty of people who said the same thing about conservatives, including Bush and Palin. It doesn’t go any further to proving your point.

Most people who dislike Obama do so for reasons other than his color. The racist argument is an attempt to gain him sympathy by association. Awww, what a poor man. The only reason people don’t like him is because he is black.
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December 22, 2015 2:33pm
minus

Penny Bright – So – what do all the purported Kiwiblogger ‘lawyers’ have to say about this?
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Ms Bright’s personal stand became even less amusing at news her long battle with the council has cost the rest of us not just the $33,372 she has accumulated in arrears, but an additional $104,000 in legal costs incurred by the council to defend a defamation claim she has brought against its chief executive, Stephen Town.
Mr Town, in a press release last year, had said she made certain accusations about the council as grounds for refusing to pay rates. She is asking a court to rule that his words damaged her reputation and wants $350,000 to compensate for the hurt and harm to her good name.
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Ms Bright describes herself as a “full-time, self-funded public watchdog [and] whistle-blower”. She sometimes adds “anti-corruption” to that resume. Corruption is a serious slur on any public body and that was the term that appears to have brought the response from Mr Town, who has not been running the Auckland Council very long. He will have discovered Ms Bright is impossible to satisfy and not necessarily always polite.

She refuses to pay her rates until the council gives her more details of its spending on contractors in the private sector. She has a right to pursue whatever she wants from the council, but not to withhold her dues.

Her free ride has gone on long enough. It has done far more damage to her than anything anyone could say.
– Herald editorial
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11522540

The Herald of course is one of the main media in the region which Penny Bright campaigns to become Auckland Mayor, to treat in stewardship rate payers money, to which she should contribute but does not.
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December 22, 2015 2:35pm
cha

you can find plenty of people who said the same thing about conservatives, including Bush and Palin.

It won’t take too long to find and post them will it.
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December 22, 2015 2:38pm
David Garrett

I would be interested in Kiwibloggers’ views on the story about women being paid large sums (Hundreds of dollars) to have their hair shaved, and to be filmed while the cutting/shaving is done. The women are fully clothed at the time, although they are apparently required to wear black dresses and heels.

Turns out the footage – or some of it – has ended up on an internet site for “hair fetishists” (my old mind boggles, but there you go). Other that the sight of hair being cut/shaved off apparently turning on those who have this odd taste, there is no manipulation of the footage, e.g. by electronically removing the clothing, or cutting and pasting images with others.

True to modern form, several of the “models” now reveal that they have been invaded; their human rights breached, and all manner of other ills. I just can’t get too excited about this “issue”…the women are all adults, and all were paid for their participation. What do others think?
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December 22, 2015 2:43pm
SGA

David Garrett at 2:43 pm

What do others think?

Informed consent? Were they told what the videos would be used for?
(Odd fetish, I must say)
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December 22, 2015 2:45pm
David Garrett

SGA: No, it doesn’t appear there was informed consent…but so what? Do we want to get to the situation as in the US where the media have to get lengthy consents from people who are just “in shot”, and who don’t otherwise participate in any way in what is being filmed?

I agree this case is rather different in that these women ARE the subjects being filmed…I dunno, I may well be in the minority, but it just seems to me to be another example of people trying to find something to be offended about…

For myself, if someone wants to pay me $700 to have my grey hair shaved off while fully clothed, they can do what they hell they want with the footage…In the unlikely event there is a fetish for seeing middle aged men get a number one, and then their heads shaved, I would say “Go for your life my son!” And when would you like to do it again?
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December 22, 2015 2:52pm
All_on_Red

“It won’t take too long to find and post them will it”

Here you go Cha
http://Www.kiwiblog.co.nz
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December 22, 2015 2:54pm
cha

Nothing huh….
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http://jezebel.com/5958490/twitter-racists-react-to-that-nigger-getting-reelected/

http://samuel-warde.com/2014/12/proof-republicans-racists-comes-president-obama/
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December 22, 2015 2:57pm
Keeping Stock

Sounds like Judge Nevin Dawson has an early Christmas present for New Zealand

Courts of NZ
‏@CourtsofNZ USA v Dotcom & Ors decision will be delivered tomorrow Wed 23 Dec by DC Judge Dawson

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Herr Schmitz 😀
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December 22, 2015 2:57pm
SGA

David Garrett at 2:52 pm

For myself, if someone wants to pay me $700 to have my grey hair shaved off while fully clothed, they can do what they hell they want with the footage…In the unlikely event there is a fetish for seeing middle aged men get a number one, and then their heads shaved, I would say “Go for your life my son!” And when would you like to do it again?

And that’s your choice. Heavens, I imagine that some of the women would have done it even knowing that it was going to be used that way. Others might have chosen not to.
Yes, this case is different because the women were those being shot (I saw the story about this yesterday, I think, but read it quickly – there was nothing about the fetish business though – sounded dodgy even at the time).
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December 22, 2015 3:00pm
DJP6-25

All_on_Red 8:43 I think that phenomenon applies to conservatives in the UK too. It’s good news.

Manolo 8:48 To get an accurate view of any issue, just assume th reverse of what any socialist says.

iMP 9:10 I could never understand why the Press called their website stuff. Too many unfortunate connotations can so easily be made.

Kimbo 10:29 That ‘one thing’ cancels out everything else by a long shot.

Kimbo 11:51 You’re right about Nixon.

Kimbo 12:28 The Brusilov Offensive came within an ace of knocking the Central Powers out of the war in June-Sep 1916. If it had, the Czar might have been able to avert the revolution. It’s such a pity for humanity that it wasn’t so.
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December 22, 2015 3:00pm
Kimbo

@ DJP6-25

Kimbo 10:29 That ‘one thing’ cancels out everything else by a long shot.

Absolutely, and my apologies if I did not make that clear in my attempt to be ‘enigmatic’ 😉

Kimbo 12:28 The Brusilov Offensive came within an ace of knocking the Central Powers out of the war in June-Sep 1916. If it had, the Czar might have been able to avert the revolution. It’s such a pity for humanity that it wasn’t so.

Hmm. Austria-Hungary, yes. But then the Germans compared their ally to “being shackled to a corpse” and they would have contined to wage a war on their own on two fronts. Plus tghe Russians weren’t defeated in the field. The home front simply collapsed…as it ultimately also did the Germans and Austro-Hungarians (although the German Army was about to cave-in. There was no “stab-in-the-back”).

Plus the undounted success of the Bruslilov Offensive has to be set in context. Mid-1916 was the only time the Allies ever co-ordinated on a combined Eastern and Western Front effort. So the Somme, where Haig has been criticised for launching on July 1 before all the preparations were ready has to be understood as not only a British offensive against Germany but also for the purpose of

1. relieving pressure on the French at Verdun
2. maximising the direct pressure on Germany that Brusilov’s Offensive was able to exploit.
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December 22, 2015 3:10pm
Manolo

@K.S.: Miss Dim will have a sleepless night. She will be devastated if the decision goes against the “generous” German.
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December 22, 2015 3:14pm
All_on_Red

“Nothing huh”
More like no one can be bothered playing with you.
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December 22, 2015 3:18pm
starboard

For the Michelle Obama haters..I thought she looked quite sexy..

https://youtu.be/r_cPPxrNeSM
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December 22, 2015 3:27pm
Kimbo

@ stephieboy

Nixon magnanimous ? Get real .It was simply stark political reality !

No, not so. Compare his decision on election night 1960, when, in a cliff-hanger, and with scores of disputable/illegal votes in both Texas and Illinois (Chicago Mayor Richard Daley held the Cook County numbers back until it was known how many were needed to carry the state), Nixon nonetheless decided to concede rather than put the country through months of constitutional uncertainty while a recount was organised

…with the disgraceful display of the supposed “respected thinker” Al Gore, who, had the following phone conversation on election night 2000:

GWB: “You’re calling me back to retract your concession?!”

Gore: “There’s no need to get snippy about it”

…and exactly as Nixon had foreseen 40 years before, the country was in constitutional turmoil for months, and the loser robbed the winner on the night of much of the perceived (and real!) legitimacy that is needed to govern in a modern democracy.

But it’s different when left wingers do it! And I can assure you, JFK’s campaign manager, the left wing (yet personally vicious and nasty) icon Robert Kennedy would never have counselled the same advice if the tables were turned that evening!
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December 22, 2015 3:30pm
DJP6-25

Kimbo 3:10 pm. Yes, you’re right on those points. It would have been wonderful if Brusilov had been able to knock out even the Austro-Hungarians. I think that would have been enough to win. Knocking out the Germans would certainly have ended it in 1916. No ‘stab in the back’. Hitler as failed artist,and architecht. No WWII, Maybe no Russian Revolution. So many what ifs.
There’s two series on WWI, and WWII on Star TV from Russia. There are sub-titles. they can be found on YouTube. Well worth watching. In case you were wondering about the aggregated posts, I’m in a different time zone;but not on a different planet.
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December 22, 2015 3:31pm
cha

So that’s a yes.
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December 22, 2015 3:32pm
Manolo

The first salvo (of many):
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-demands-apology-from-clinton-on-isis-debate-quip-1450721984

Speaking to NBC’s Matt Lauer, Mr. Trump accused Mrs. Clinton of being a liar. On Twitter, he repeatedly accused her of inventing the story.

“I will demand an apology from Hillary. She should apologise,” Mr. Trump said on NBC. “She lies about emails, she lies about Whitewater; she lies about everything. She will be a disaster about everything as president of the United States.”
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December 22, 2015 3:36pm
Captain Mainwaring

“Jeremy Corbyn has revealed he would choose to live in Bolivia – the socialist South American nation – if he had to move away from Britain.”

Well Venezuela’s no longer an option for this idiot.
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December 22, 2015 3:39pm
mikenmild

You have quite a crush on Tricky Dick, Kimbo.

Favourite quotes:
“Fucking Jew-bastards everywhere!”
“The Jewish cabal is out to get me.”
“What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists.”
“The Jews are irreligious, atheistic, immoral bunch of bastards.”
“As long as I’m sitting in the chair, there’s not going to be any Jew appointed to that court.”
“Goddamn his Jewish soul!”
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December 22, 2015 3:41pm
Fletch

cha, oh, you really wanted me to?

Here’s some for starters.

(1) Keith Halloran, a New Hampshire Democratic candidate, said on a Facebook thread that he wished Palin had been aboard the Alaska plane that crashed, killing five including Sen. Ted Stevens; (2) Another New Hampshire Democrat, Timothy Horrigan resigned from the state legislature after writing this gem on Facebook: “Well a dead Palin wd be even more dangerous than a live one . . . she is all about her myth & if she was dead she cldn’t commit any more gaffes”; and (3) foul-mouthed comedian Sandra Bernhard warned Palin she would be “gang-raped by my big black brothers” if she tried coming to New York.
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December 22, 2015 3:44pm
DJP6-25

Kimbo 3:30 pm. Yes, Nixon made the right call.
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December 22, 2015 3:44pm
ciaron

mikenmild (18,187 comments) says:
December 22nd, 2015 at 3:41 pm

Well, it is cherry picking season…
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December 22, 2015 3:47pm
mikenmild

Brendon McCullum to retire after the tests against Australia.
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December 22, 2015 3:48pm
mikenmild

ciaron
I could find some other Nixon quotes if you like. I’m sure he had nice things to say about blacks and homosexuals too. Or nuking the Vietnamese.
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December 22, 2015 3:54pm
Kimbo

@ stephieboy

…and Richard Daley’s son was advising Al Gore to go the die hard” route in 2000!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20001108/aponline180633_000.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Daley

As bleak as it looked for Nixon when he resigned in 1974, primarily because his supporters in the Senate had deserted him due to their initial disappointment and anger at the release of the “smoking gun” tape…nonetheless with the passage of the 6 or so months necessary for an impeachment, the subsiding of that first reaction, and the opportunity to launch a PR and political defence (and an impeachment of the POTUS is always about politics and PR before it is about facts and law)

…it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Nixon could have been acquitted in 1975. Hey, Bill Clinton managed to convince much of the country his impeachment was about nothing other than a puritanical inquisition into his sex life!
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December 22, 2015 3:55pm
Mike

As regards the Penny saga, I can only wonder how much money is being wasted on legal bills/lost interest. Even my left-wing friends think of her as an attention seeking reprobate.
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December 22, 2015 3:59pm
Fletch

SOme of the images don’t load anymore –

http://web.archive.org/web/20110112074010/http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/
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December 22, 2015 4:01pm
dime

Time to take a few weeks off!

“A vacation is a countdown, T minus your life and counting, time to drag your tongue across the sugar cube, and hope you get a taste.”
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December 22, 2015 4:04pm
ciaron

I don’t particularly care what the man said MM. You just look like a tool when you quote a bunch of nasty stuff as if it unquestionably sums up the man’s character…
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December 22, 2015 4:05pm
Jack5

Sweden’s feminist Foreign Minister gives the truth about Saudi Arabia.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/03/swedens-feminist-foreign-minister-has-dared-to-tell-the-truth-about-saudi-arabia-what-happens-now-concerns-us-all/
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December 22, 2015 4:09pm
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

You have quite a crush on Tricky Dick, Kimbo.

Favourite quotes:
“Fucking Jew-bastards everywhere!”
“The Jewish cabal is out to get me.”
“What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists.”
“The Jews are irreligious, atheistic, immoral bunch of bastards.”
“As long as I’m sitting in the chair, there’s not going to be any Jew appointed to that court.”
“Goddamn his Jewish soul!”

Yes, I wondered when you or someone else was going to get around to that and confirm he was a man of his times sharing the common prejudices – including low-level verbal anti-semitism. This is of course the guy who loathed all Eastern establishment intellectuals such as the Daniel Ellsbergs (and the feeling was mutual), who thought of the “Jewish vote” in those terms (like I said, he viewed everything through the prism of political competition and conflict), yet

1. his National Security Advisor and later Secretary of State and in-effect right-hand man, Henry Kissinger, was Jewish

2. As he told Golda Meir, “you can count on me. Unlike Teddy Kennedy and the other cut-and-run-from-Vietnam Democrats – who will do the same to you if it got too hot – and even though your people vote against me 6-to-1, I will always make sure Israel has an edge”

2. and he proved it when he sent emergency shipments of arms to Israel during the Yom Kippur war, despite being embroiled in the worst of the Watergate sideshow, the “Saturday Night Massacre” at the time.

Yeah, a real anti-Semite in terms of his deeds!
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December 22, 2015 4:09pm
mikenmild

Well, as he said: “The best Jews are actually the Israeli Jews.”
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December 22, 2015 4:17pm
cha

Lotsa unhinged carry on there Fletch but nothing quite like seven years worth of slurs, innuendo and downright racist commentary.

Anyhoo, here’s the latest WTF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSvSDEQY3D8&feature=youtu.be
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December 22, 2015 4:21pm
DJP6-25

Kimbo 4:09. Someone asked him what aircraft should carry the aid to Israel. He said: “Anything that’ll fly”.
On the prejudice thing, JFKs father was the only gentile member of an all Jewish golf club. Different times, different mores.
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December 22, 2015 4:38pm
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

Well, as he said: “The best Jews are actually the Israeli Jews.”

He he he. Yes, I can guess in the context of Vietnam why an amusing cynic like Richard Nixon would have said that. And also wished that Daniel Ellsberg had tried something like leaking the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers there. Rather than being lauded as a hero, and having issues of national security dismissed as “irrelevant” by the press, most likely Ellsberg would have rightly spent 18 years in prison like Mordecai Vanunu.
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December 22, 2015 4:39pm
Kimbo

@ DJP6-25

On the prejudice thing, JFKs father was the only gentile member of an all Jewish golf club. Different times, different mores.

Yeah, but he was Irish and Catholic, so most likely the Boston WASP golf clubs wouldn’t have accepted his membership, no matter how much bootleg money he had made! As you said, “Different times, different mores”. Or, “the past is another country. hey do things differently there.”
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December 22, 2015 4:43pm
Stars And Stripes

Stephieboy- I’m going to have a really bitter, mean and spiteful Christmas.
Mine involves a table full of meat and house full of Christmas decorations with no vegetarian curries in site and not a single Paki to be seen.
Enjoy yours with Hanuman.
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December 22, 2015 4:50pm
stigie

“she’s currently in talks with Council management about a rates postponement application”.

What the fucks the use of a rates postponement application when the demented women hasn’t paid rates for eight fucking long years…? Penny Bright knows how to work the system !~
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December 22, 2015 5:07pm
DJP6-25

Kimbo 4:43 pm. One of the JFK bios hinted that if he was a WASP, he’d have joined the Republican party. I think the allure of the Kennedy’s is a mixture of a handsome couple, the Camelot myth, his persona, and sense of humor, his murder, the cute kids, and John-John at the funeral.
As an aside, it was his third birthday, and after the funeral, he had his third birthday party in the White house.
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December 22, 2015 5:23pm
publicwatchpuppy

Stigie you are a bit rude and mean! Though you are right Big Dog is a champion at working the system, imagine how well Auckland council will run with her as Mayor!!

Everyone will be able to use the precedent she set and not pay anything!! Yay!! it will be soo good for us all not paying those pesky bills

PWP!!!
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December 22, 2015 5:28pm
Nostradamus

Publicwatchpuppy:

I think we need to be more ambitous.

We should all refuse to pay our electricity bill, and our taxes as well, until the electricity companies and the government open their books up for public scrutiny. They must be up to something! So let’s all appoint ourselves public watchdogs and uncover the TRUTH!

[I like writing “truth” in capital letters because it makes me look suitably deranged]
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December 22, 2015 7:06pm
nasska

Nostra

The bludger is almost certain to retain her hovel under the ‘rates postponement provision’. It seems to work like a reverse annuity & so long as Auckland house prices keep escalating it will hardly matter. One paragraph of the application has me curious though:

….”The council may add a postponement fee each year to the postponed rates. The fee will cover the period from when the rates were originally due to when they are paid. The fee will not exceed the council’s administrative and financial costs of the postponement. “…..

What are the council’s administrative and financial costs of the postponement likely to be? For an organisation completely divorced from the real world & with a cost plus mentality the sky is probably the limit.
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December 22, 2015 7:15pm
Griff

nostra it looks far more important if you post a long list of nonsense accomplishments after your comment like.
head prefect 1978 year five school trip.
Attended Easter show 1999 to 2010.
And john banks is gone is also apparently really important piece of information to attract attention to your cause.
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December 22, 2015 7:30pm
nasska

That’s what happens when you don’t work Griff. You can’t pay your rates & you can’t afford PR people to disguise the fact that you’re puerile, partisan & completely round the bend.

And in Penny’s case it shows! 🙂
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December 22, 2015 7:39pm
Manolo

Will they be the final two?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/21/trump-2016-gop-contest-likely-come-down-me-cruz/

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Monday that the 2016 GOP nomination contest is likely to come down to a one-on-one battle between himself and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas.
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December 22, 2015 7:44pm
cha

Will they be the final two?

Perhaps – and then the establishment will work to cut The Donald loose.

Nate Silver Verified account
‏@NateSilver538

Among GOP voters w/a college degree: 3-way tie between Trump, Cruz & Rubio
Among those without one: TRUMP LANDSLIDE!
http://53eig.ht/1NydICI

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/678950013695840256

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-key-to-the-gop-race-the-diploma-divide/
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December 22, 2015 7:55pm
stigie

Because the Auckland Council has been pissing around and gone soft on Penny Bright over the last 8 years…..

Chances then that her living it up in one of these is practically nil…?

http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/afewextralimes/media/cardboard.jpg.html
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December 22, 2015 8:08pm
Manolo

Anyone for US president except Hillary Clinton!
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December 22, 2015 8:16pm
Manolo

When will the satrap Mugabe die? The sooner, the better, for his impoverished country.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/22/zimbabwe-to-make-chinese-yuan-legal-currency-after-beijing-cancels-debts

Zimbabwe has announced that will make the Chinese yuan legal tender after Beijing confirmed it would cancel $40m in debts.

“They [China] said they are cancelling our debts that are maturing this year and we are in the process of finalising the debt instruments and calculating the debts,” minister Patrick Chinamasa said in a statement.
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December 22, 2015 8:32pm
nasska

If by any chance you’re disappointed with what you receive this Christmas just remember somewhere, someone is unwrapping an Auckland Blues jersey.
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December 22, 2015 8:33pm
DJP6-25

Manolo 7:44 pm. Probably. Ideally, they’d go through the campaign saying vote for me because… Then, they could pick up on issues that crop up, and attack the Democratic front runner. Unfortunately, it’s not an ideal world.
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December 22, 2015 8:35pm
Manolo

It can only get more entertaining:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/22/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-was-schlonged-in-2008-loss-to-barack-obama

Trump used a Yiddish vulgarity to refer to Hillary Clinton on Monday, saying she was “schlonged” in her 2008 Democratic primary loss to Barack Obama.

Schlong is a Yiddish term for penis.
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December 22, 2015 8:39pm
DJP6-25

Manolo 8:32 pm. Oh no! Cue screams from the usual suspects about colonialism, and exploitation. Or not as the case may be. Maybe it’s only bad when Europeans, or Americans do it?
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December 22, 2015 8:39pm
mikenmild

Is this a tad expensive?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/75357812/multimilliondollar-margaret-mahy-playground-open-for-fun-in-christchurch
$40 million!
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December 22, 2015 8:40pm
Griff

Manolo I have decided you are a Poe .
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December 22, 2015 8:48pm
Manolo

@Griff: You are far too kind!
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December 22, 2015 8:51pm
dad4justice

“Is this a tad expensive?”

The understatement of the year .The mayor should be in prison and the CCC and City Care should be destroyed!!
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December 22, 2015 8:51pm
Nostradamus

Mikenmild:

Is this a tad expensive?

You’re surely not suggesting that our young and impressionable children should be forced to play in Hagley Park?
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December 22, 2015 8:54pm
cha

Perhaps the penny’s dropped – stand up to these murderous fuckers or lose the lot.

A group of Kenyan Muslims travelling on a bus ambushed by Islamist gunmen protected Christian passengers by refusing to be split into groups, according to eyewitnesses.

They told the militants “to kill them together or leave them alone”, a local governor told Kenyan media.

[…]

The passengers on the bus showed great bravery, but there was another quality revealed by their surprising decision to stand up to the gunmen: Frustration.

[…]

Perhaps the passengers felt that the region could simply not afford another such attack.

It will be interesting to see if their actions embolden local populations to increase their resistance to al-Shabab, which has attacked the area several times.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35151967
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December 22, 2015 8:55pm
Griff

Do you think so Manolo.

Poe’s Law
Without a clear indication of the author’s intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.

It is an observation that it’s difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between parodies of fundamentalism or other extreme views and their genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane. For example, some conservatives consider noted homophobe Fred Phelps to have been so over-the-top that they argue he was a “deep cover liberal” trying to discredit more mainstream homophobes.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law
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December 22, 2015 8:55pm
dad4justice

“You’re surely not suggesting that our young and impressionable children should be forced to play in Hagley Park?”

It will be a lot safer than playing at the marg maggot park that cost the ratepayer $40 mil, because the Manchester Street whores will litter the place with junkie needles and used condoms every-night 24/7.
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December 22, 2015 8:59pm
Manolo

@Griff: I always knew I enjoy (and deserve) your highest estimation. Thank you very much, indeed.
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December 22, 2015 9:01pm
Nostradamus

D4J:

the Manchester Street whores will litter the play with junkie needles and used condoms every-night 24/7

Some time ago I spoke to a local body councillor. Apparently there are some demented people out there who deliberately plant nails and other dangerous objects on playground equipment. I gather it’s possible to “enhance” playground equipment to prevent this – but it costs a lot. How someone can take perverse pleasure out of hurting children is beyond my comprehension.
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December 22, 2015 9:03pm
stigie

Safer than Hagley Park Dad, surely you jest with the sordid activities thats been going on there…?
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December 22, 2015 9:05pm
dad4justice

“Brownlee said Brownlee said the playground would provide a central location for families over the summer months.

Maybe fat guts Brownlee should have said the playground would provide a central location for the clients of the Manchester Street whores over the summer months. A bonk on the slide or a blowy on the swing Gerry? God only knows what will happen in the tunnel. Maybe Tim Barnett will know?

Edit – fuck off stigfly you pathetic irritating pest.
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December 22, 2015 9:06pm
SGA

nasska at 8:33 pm

If by any chance you’re disappointed with what you receive this Christmas just remember somewhere, someone is unwrapping an Auckland Blues jersey.

True, but they are paid quite well to wear them 🙂
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December 22, 2015 9:06pm
DJP6-25

Sarah Palin has said that if Donald Trump makes her his energy secretary, he won’t have to fire here. She’ll work to close down the department.
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December 22, 2015 9:08pm
stigie

And you have a merry xmas Dad.
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December 22, 2015 9:10pm
BananaLama

I would guess that Nicky Hager has never heard of rubber hose cryptography.
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December 22, 2015 9:13pm
Griff

Oh look someone else with a blow up caribou barbie .
No you wouldent need to sack her .
She would quit in a couple of months saving you the chore.
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December 22, 2015 9:16pm
starboard

apparently there is a glory hole somewhere in hagley park, mm would you care to confirm.
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December 22, 2015 9:19pm
Griff

Dad and story really should get together they seem to both share an interested in anal sex and glory holes.
They could take turns.
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December 22, 2015 9:31pm
starboard

gwiff has sex with thai prostitutes,,griff said so..griffs an old sifter.

Griff (12,193 comments) says:
December 21st, 2015 at 9:40 pm
Thai girls dont really want to be with lecherous old white men.
More they need the money and so are forced into what is a self destructive lifestyle.
All the prostitutes I have ever meet have been fucked in the helmet in one way or another.
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December 22, 2015 9:36pm
cha

Falcon 9 first stage sticks its landing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B6oiLNyKKI
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December 22, 2015 9:53pm
Jack5

One for the latte-sipping cafe loons of Wellington, Auckland, and sadly, even Christchurch. Sip, chatter, sip, chatter, sip…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/wake-up-and-smell-the-bs-our-pretentious-obsession-with-coffee-i/
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December 22, 2015 10:00pm
cha

Sip, chatter, sip, chatter, sip…

Old man yells at cloud…
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December 22, 2015 10:12pm
Jack5

So you haunt the latte joints, do you Cha (10.12 post)?

Cha alludes to a Simpsons episode.

His link shows it is apparently based on an episode about Grandpa in an old folks’ home called The Old Man and the Key. This received a mixed reception.

This is from Wikipedia:

…Despite the mixed responses, the episode features one of the “most used little clips” of the series. The scene shows Grampa getting his driver’s license. Instead of taking a photo for the license on the spot, Grampa suggests that Patty, who works in the facility, use a photo of him from a newspaper headline that reads “Old man yells at cloud.” Patty agrees, and Grampa, holding his newly acquired license, goes up to a window and yells “Who’s laughing now?” at a cloud. A still from the scene has been used several times on The Daily Show. Both Malkowski of DVD Verdict and Jacobsson of DVD Movie Guide considered it to be the best part of the episode. After Clint Eastwood’s speech at the 2012 Republican National Convention, which featured Eastwood talking to an empty chair representing President Barack Obama, a modified version of the image with the caption, “Old man yells at chair”, was used in an internet meme.

A long, convoluted path to get to Cha’s “old man yells at cloud”.

Needs 15 minutes over a latte, flat white, or a mocca to spell out such a meme, eh?

Do I imagine it, or does the buzz coming out of the coffee joints often have “meme” … “meme” in it? Or are they saying: “Me, me … me, me … me, me …”?
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December 22, 2015 10:42pm
Left Right and Centre

No wonder the average decent Kiwi detests unions and their members . . . striking bus drivers in Auckland will be whinging to their mouthpieces at MSM because they are copping abuse from passengers.

Wrong – not striking – *stopwork meeting*. They are generally held at clockwork-esque standard intervals. There’s usually plenty of warning. There should be signage at bus stops and what have you of the date it will happen. They are held during the middle of the day off peak for least disruption and inconvenience – and that’s also the best time for all drivers who wish to attend to do so – as well as allowing all to be in one place at one time.

For experienced bus passengers with any brains at all – they will know it happens every now and then as a regular occurrence and totally get it. On the fuckin news – here’s some useless gormless blank-faced ugly drongos trying to catch a bus. Where’s the bus ? I don’t know mate – all the bus drivers are in a meeting. They’ve got jobs. They’re workers. They’re people too – they’re not robots, although that will no doubt be not too far off – driverless automated buses. But in the meantime they like to occasionally prove that they are humans, not robots, by thinking about things like their pay and conditions and contract agreement etc

Stopwork meetings must have been going on for quite some time now. My last one as a bus driver in Wellington was over ten years ago. So – it’s not some new ‘evil union concept’ they’ve just hit upon to piss off bus riders.
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December 23, 2015 2:09am
Manolo

That’s why he is loved so much:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/world/middleeast/obama-plans-summit-on-migrant-crisis.html

HONOLULU — President Obama plans to host a United Nations summit meeting next year on the global migrant crisis and to spend his final year in office working to spur other countries and the private sector to contribute more humanitarian aid, his United Nations ambassador said Monday.
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