General Debate 17 December 2015

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deadrightkev

NSW is debt free as of today.

I wonder if any country or city close to us will learn anything from their example?
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December 17, 2015 2:46pm
stephieboy

Reid,

“..Mises and Hayek showed with the socialist calculation argument that socialist planning “cannot work, even if people were motivated to make it work, because planners do not have a workable substitute for prices.” If socialism cannot work, what is the point of comparing its ethical merits with its capitalist rival? Unless we desire economic chaos, socialism must be rejected and the free market affirmed…”

The very thing I would of thought caused the collapse of the Soviet Union 1991 ?
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December 17, 2015 2:49pm
DJP6-25

Andrei 1:01 pm. Was that Saint Joseph Stalin thing a series of clips from the Stalin era? Or have the Orthodox church made him a saint?
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December 17, 2015 2:54pm
Kimbo

Actually, thinking of Stalin and Johnboy’s comment that he was better looking than Helen Clark…no. He was a pock-marked jaundiced-skinned dwarf…sorry, 5 foot 2 inches tall, and even Helen Clark’s portraits weren’t as air-brushed

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=helen+clark+election+photo&rlz=1C1FDUM_enNZ489NZ489&espv=2&biw=1093&bih=534&tbm=isch&imgil=AHdOqtEH9OVqPM%253A%253Br6Y2WDKEokoIMM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.smh.com.au%25252Fnews%25252Fworld%25252Fnz-labour-on-brink-of-third-term%25252F2005%25252F09%25252F17%25252F1126750170450.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=AHdOqtEH9OVqPM%253A%252Cr6Y2WDKEokoIMM%252C_&usg=__wtdqJcHujl8FBh9-0w_P3WheLiM%3D&ved=0ahUKEwjXyLHG5eHJAhXDJ6YKHYoXBakQyjcIMQ&ei=kBZyVtfAFsPPmAWKr5TICg#imgrc=6lfHpHK68gysRM%3A&usg=__wtdqJcHujl8FBh9-0w_P3WheLiM%3D
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December 17, 2015 2:58pm
lilman

Dont care if you think I’m as bad as the Muslim extremist ,get a life,I wont be coming around to kill you for your beliefs,never mind how your wife acts,what she wears,drives,eats,who she speaks too,where she gets educated and who she marries.

You wowsers are all the same,I feel sorry for your kids that you would let them be cut down because you believe you CANT protect them as it’s not right.
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December 17, 2015 3:00pm
Stars And Stripes

Hope all you lefties out there on KB are giving some of your welfare money to Lomu’s kids to keep them afloat as it seems Dad blew the whole lot on the usual crap that people from no money backgrounds will always do.
It was really a given so not sure why anyone is shocked.
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December 17, 2015 3:15pm
mikenmild

lilman
It is with considerable relief that I read your claim that your genocidal urges will not extend to doing any actual killing yourself. At least, I hope that’s what you are saying.
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December 17, 2015 3:19pm
Viking2

So the company that has made a balls of running the auckland trains is nowe going tobe running the Wellington ones now ll the hard work has been done.

Such it up Wellingtonians.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/75208588/wellingtons-trains-to-be-run-by-french-company-transdev-after-kiwirail-loses-contract
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December 17, 2015 3:21pm
Viking2

Oh what do we think of the League star who did his 12months inside in Aussie and has no been saved from deportation because he is famous?

This ain’t gunna get better for the Aussie Minister of Deportation.

Here’s Judiths contribution to make it all better.
More jails coming ouyt of the1 Billion Bill has to spend.
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December 17, 2015 3:25pm
stigie

V2, is that Russell Packer you are talking about ?
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December 17, 2015 3:28pm
publicwatchpuppy

Good Afternoon Kiwibloggers

A few of you meanies have been picking on Big Dog and asking her too many questions, you silly billies just needed to go to her website for the answers! I have picked a few you might like!

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/penny-bright-for-mayor

Who really runs Auckland?

How?

‘Market-led’ Auckland growth, pushing rezoning and housing intensification, is decimating communities against their wishes.
Who benefits?

See Big Dog ANSWERS questions!

PuppyPublicWatch
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December 17, 2015 4:17pm
Morrissey

At 1:48 pm today, our good friend “notrotsky” indulged himself in an outburst against this writer, i.e., moi. As I often do, I’ll put this into dialogue form to reply…..

NOTROTSKY: Been–

MORRISSEY BREEN: The name’s Breen. Not Been. Breen. Maybe you’ve confused me with THIS GUY….
http://www.lasertimepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/bean_04.jpg

NOTROTSKY: —why don’t you go back to The Standard and tell them how great you and your sock puppets are.

MORRISSEY BREEN: My friend, that is not my style. Y’know, there’s an old Māori whakatauki that goes like this: “The kumara never says how sweet it is.” I shall leave you to ponder on the gnomic wisdom contained in those eight words.

NOTROTSKY: You have now graduated to 4th rate stenographer, 7th rate sports pundit and complete cock 1st class.

MORRISSEY BREEN: I’m going to take that as a compliment my friend. This is for you, buddy…
http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/i_love_you_teddy_bear-wide.jpg

NOTROTSKY: Notrotsky for Jack o Napes, Prof Longair and other assorted sockpuppets.

MORRISSEY BREEN: [aside to batman Brendan] Jesus H. Christ, he’s on to us…
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December 17, 2015 4:22pm
publicwatchpuppy

Many of you mean KB’ers have been asking for Big Dogs qualifications, they are here:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/completion-of-apprenticeship.pdf

See! she is very good at joining things together and will ‘WELD’ Auckland into a BRIGHTer future!!

PWP
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December 17, 2015 4:29pm
Shawn Herles

Morrissey, your post at the Stranded admitting you’re a Lefty troll has been posted on KB.

Move along son, we already have enough Lefty trolls here.
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December 17, 2015 4:33pm
Griff

That is a denial of Christian doctrine mikey. But then you think Jesus was a zombie, so your not exactly an expert on the subject.

Jesus died and was reanimated by supernatural forces it says so under the file marked christian .

What part of the Zombie Jesus myth are you denying shawnie The part of him dying or the reanimated by supernatural forces bit?
And no we dont think Jesus was a zombie that is what primitives like you believe.
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December 17, 2015 4:38pm
Awww C-mon

Morrissey/Witness/Legio. ??
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December 17, 2015 4:40pm
Shawn Herles

Jesus was not reanimated by supernatural forces Griff, so sorry, you and mikey are just talking out of your asses. Again.

Stick to blowing your brains out with your bong. When you try to tell Christians what they believe you just end up making yourself look stupid.

Of course, if your plan IS to make yourself look stupid, by all means, full steam ahead! You are very good at it! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 4:42pm
publicwatchpuppy

I’m a grumpy puppy! I dont know why Big Dog wants to be the Boss of Auckland, they all look mean to me!

This is not fair! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/property/news/article.cfm?c_id=8&objectid=11521031

I think she should move to the Wairarapa with me and chase sheep! I think little David knows someone down there so perhaps we can all play together!
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December 17, 2015 4:44pm
Shawn Herles

“Morrissey/Witness/Legio. ??”

Crossed my mind as well. I have also wondered about blazeoflight, given the Yoza-like hardcore Marxism. But you never know, there really are still people who believe that shite.
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December 17, 2015 4:45pm
Awww C-mon

It was a matter of watching the newbies Shawn, don’t think watch puppy is in the same league!
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December 17, 2015 4:49pm
Shawn Herles

“don’t think watch puppy is in the same league!”

No, way too obvious. He is fun though!
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December 17, 2015 4:54pm
publicwatchpuppy

Ohh Thank you Mr Herles! I like you and Maggy now that’s two friends I have here!
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December 17, 2015 5:01pm
Captain Mainwaring

Breaking news. The communist slimeball Hagar has won his case re. the police search.
No doubt this will be come a separate thread so get used to the gloating from mouldymilk, Inferno, Gobby etc.
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December 17, 2015 5:02pm
Griff

Jesus was not reanimated by supernatural forces Griff, so sorry, you and mikey are just talking out of your asses. Again.

OK so he did not arise from the dead.
What the fuck is Easter then ?
Sorry to have to point it out to you yet again but according to christian dogma Jesus died then came back to life.
God reanimated him. A “god” is a supernatural force.
This makes Jesus a fucking Zombie .
Or he did not die and was not reanimated by god .
Make Up your mind.
You are as inconsistent as the Catholics who claim that chanting over some crackers transmogrifies them into the flesh of Jesus then deny taking part in a cannibal ritual.
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December 17, 2015 5:04pm
mikenmild

It never ceases to amaze me how religious people want to deny the magical part of their beliefs – the life after death, resurrection of Jesus, transubstantiation. I thought they should revel in it.
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December 17, 2015 5:10pm
Longknives

It never ceases to amaze me how Mikenmild claims to be an Atheist and mocks and sneers at Christian beliefs and Traditions- Yet (Stephieboy aside) he is possibly the most ardent supporter of Islam around..
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December 17, 2015 5:31pm
Lucia Maria

Griff,

OK so he did not arise from the dead.
What the fuck is Easter then ?
Sorry to have to point it out to you yet again but according to christian dogma Jesus died then came back to life.

Not wrong until you get to the next part ..

God reanimated him. A “god” is a supernatural force.
This makes Jesus a fucking Zombie .

Jesus resurrected His own body. No outside force reanimated Him, He did it Himself.

Zombies are reanimated dead people without intellect. Jesus, who is God, allowed Himself to die and then not only rose from the dead, but transformed His body into the type that doesn’t need food and can go through walls. The type of body we will all get at some point in the future after the end of the world. These are not going to be zombie bodies. Look up Transfiguration for when Jesus foreshadowed what was eventually going to happen to Him (and us).

Mike

It never ceases to amaze me how religious people want to deny the magical part of their beliefs – the life after death, resurrection of Jesus, transubstantiation. I thought they should revel in it.

It is the fundamental, complete inability to comprehend Resurrected Jesus does not equal zombie that it the point of disagreement.
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December 17, 2015 5:34pm
Morrissey

At 5:02 pm, a troubled and confused hater of democracy calling himself, hilariously, “Captain Mainwaring” coughed up the following piece of bile:

“Breaking news. The communist slimeball Hagar has won his case re. the police search. No doubt this will be come a separate thread so get used to the gloating from mouldymilk, Inferno, Gobby etc.”

Free speech, free media, the rule of law. You hate it, “Captain”, you just hate it.

Meanwhile, sensible people will agree with Nicky Hager, who said a few minutes ago: “The key words in the judgement are that the police conduct was ‘FUNDAMENTALLY UNLAWFUL’. Those are the words that will keep us safe.”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/292418/search-of-hager's-home-ruled-illegal
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December 17, 2015 5:34pm
Griff

Actually that is entirely in side the heads of many of KB deluded conservonutters .
Not one of us support Islam we just find little difference between the worshiping of Allah and Yahweh.
After all they are the same gods with just minor differences in the prophets followed .
They all make the same amount of sense to an atheist.
The main deference between Christians and Muslims is in the west we removed the ability of you nutters to make the rest of us follow the dictates of your belief system.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so…
– Robert Heinlein
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December 17, 2015 5:40pm
Viking2

Stuff website is throwing lots of viruses about.
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December 17, 2015 5:43pm
Awww C-mon

Edit for correction mosey

Free speech, free media, the rule of law. the left just hate it.

Unless it suits them
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December 17, 2015 5:47pm
Morrissey

At 4:33, our good friend Shawn Herles posted up an admonition of this writer, i.e., moi. Again, it’s best to follow the ancient Greeks and present our exchange as a dramatic dialogue, albeit just a short one this time…

SHAWN HERLES: Morrissey, your post at the Stranded admitting you’re a Lefty troll has been posted on KB.

MORRISSEY: Only part of it was posted, Shawn. The bits where I said many positive things about D.P. Farrar and his site were, perhaps deliberately, left off by “Keeping Stock”. Here’s the original with all the good bits….
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-17122015/#comment-1109724

SHAWN HERLES: Move along son, we already have enough Lefty trolls here.

MORRISSEY: No, Shawn, you can’t get away with that. My posts, on every forum I visit, are always carefully written, rigorously argued and backed up with evidence. I’ve learned long ago not to descend to the level of name-calling and screaming at my interlocutors, no matter how angry we might feel. Most people recognize that I am prepared to debate in good faith about things, and even if they profoundly disagree with me, will argue intelligently and honestly. That’s the precise opposite of trolling. It’s only Cameron Slater that has been unable to mount a coherent answer to me; he simply lacks the wherewithal to defend his own statements. At one stage, he even threatened the other commenters on his Whaleoil site that THEY would be banned if they dared to respond to me.

And just before you go, Shawn, there’s one more point I need you to clarify. At 4:45 p.m, you claimed that my posts were full of “hardcore Marxism.” Could you explain what you mean by that?
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December 17, 2015 5:53pm
Griff

Zombies are reanimated dead people without intellect. Jesus, who is God, allowed Himself to die

Lol
Do you know how stupid that statement is Lucy?
He died but didn’t die because he undied himself when he was dead.

Jesus must have been pining for the fjords then.
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December 17, 2015 5:58pm
Lucia Maria

Do you know how stupid that statement is Lucy?
He died but didn’t die because he undied himself when he was dead.

No, Griff. He didn’t “undie” Himself. He resurrected Himself into a transformed body. Which is what I said, and you left that bit out in your quote.

Is it smart to partially quote me, miss out the explanatory bit and then say what I said is stupid, when all anyone has to do is go back and look at the original comment?
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December 17, 2015 6:05pm
Shawn Herles

“OK so he did not arise from the dead.
What the fuck is Easter then ?”

I didn’t say he did not rise from the dead. I said he was not reanimated by supernatural forces. I was going to explain this to you, but I see Lucia has it covered. The problem Griff is that you start with a straw man, then whine when those of us who actually understand the doctrine do not fall for your straw man.

“It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so…
– Robert Heinlein”

Heinlein thought sex between family members was a good idea, and that fathers should initiate their daughters into sex. If that’s the guy your relying on Griff, no wonder your statements on Christian doctrine are so stupid.
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December 17, 2015 6:08pm
Stars And Stripes

Morrissey- have you ever stopped to wonder why only about 10% of NZ’ers believe in hard left policies like you ,Hager and the Green Party espouse.
The other 90% moved on about 40 years ago, time you did too.
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December 17, 2015 6:10pm
Shawn Herles

“and you left that bit out in your quote.”

He’s just trolling in between blowing his braincells away with bong hits Lucia. Both he and milkey are just sad, lonely trolls who are intellectual legends in their own lunch time, and cannot understand why the world does not appreciate their brilliance, so they come here to troll and sneer to bolster their little egos.

Sad. Very sad.
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December 17, 2015 6:12pm
Manolo

Argentina is in serious strife. It is now trying to undo the damage inflicted by many years of socialism:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/argentina-lifts-currency-controls-floats-peso-in-bid-to-boost-economy

Argentina is to lift its currency controls and said it would allow the peso to float when markets open Thursday, setting the stage for a sharp devaluation.

The move follows promises by President Mauricio Macri to implement reforms in order to increase exports and spur economic growth.
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December 17, 2015 6:13pm
starboard

grooooan..fuckin religious debates, how dull
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December 17, 2015 6:14pm
Shawn Herles

Morrissey.

“No, Shawn, you can’t get away with that. ”

Sure I can. I just did.

“My posts, on every forum I visit, are always carefully written, rigorously argued and backed up with evidence.”

I have no doubt you believe that. But as I have zero evidence of any such thing, I’m going to stick with my initial skepticism.

I’m also going to ignore the rest of your rant about how you are supposedly a brilliant debater and how big your intellect is, as I am already dealing with two other guys with small man syndrome.

Have a nice day. 🙂
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December 17, 2015 6:16pm
Shawn Herles

On second thoughts, I’m going out for dinner. Keep fighting the good fight Lucia. You have more brains in your little finger than Griff and milkey have together!
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December 17, 2015 6:19pm
Awww C-mon

Hager is pond scum, shame the coppers didn’t give him a good kicking when they had the chance.

Next book will be the biggest pile of ‘poor little me’ written since… Well ever.

But you will love every word aye mossey
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December 17, 2015 6:20pm
Morrissey

Awww C-mon, I would love to see what you had to say after YOUR house was unlawfully ransacked by, say, a motorbike gang. They would have as much authority as those rogue police had to violate Nicky Hager’s house.
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December 17, 2015 6:25pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

He’s just trolling in between blowing his braincells away with bong hits Lucia. Both he and milkey are just sad, lonely trolls

I don’t think it’s the bong. I used to debate Phil Ure from time to time (I seem to have the ability to inspire full melt down!), but his personality was easier to deal with. As for Mike, I don’t mind him. He at least can be reasonable, and also has the ability to move on and doesn’t spam threads with massive lists.

Starboard,

grooooan..fuckin religious debates, how dull

Let’s do something more fun then. Everyone loves talking about Putin. So here’s an evaluation of his distinctive walk: New Study Links Putin’s ‘Gunslinger’s Gait’ To KGB Training .

Citing a KGB training manual they obtained, the researchers posit that his style of walking is instead linked to training that Putin underwent in the feared security agency, where he rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel before retiring at the twilight of the Soviet Union.

“According to this manual, KGB operatives were instructed to keep their weapon in their right hand close to their chest and to move forward with one side, usually the left, presumably allowing subjects to draw the gun as quickly as possible when confronted with a foe,” they write.

…Bloem told AFP that the Russian leader’s reduced arm swing could “in part be overlearned.”

“It’s like saying, ‘Look, folks, I’ve had KGB training, I’m a real man,’” he said.

Bloem conceded that researchers do not have access to Putin’s medical records or his doctors. But he said Putin’s unusual walk is the subject of a small but growing debate among medical specialists.
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December 17, 2015 6:27pm
Morrissey

Here’s the judge’s ruling. If you love our hard-won freedom and the rule of law, you will love reading this….

http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/hager-v-attorney-general-1/at_download/fileDecision
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December 17, 2015 6:31pm
Awww C-mon

Great analogy Mossey, you lefties are a class act.

If I had some bikers turn up to ransack mine they would get their arsekicked, depending on numbers ?, if the cops turned up the would get a coffee and a decent chat.

You would just get laughed at…
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December 17, 2015 6:32pm
Yoza

I’m looking forward to those police involved being charged with home invasion.
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December 17, 2015 6:32pm
Kimbo

So I’m meant to believe that the District Court judge who issued the search warrant didn’t know whom Nicky Hager was and what he claims to do for a living…despite the fact Hager, along with Kim Dot Com derailed an entire General Election just a few months before?!

Still, it wasn’t on the application, so his lawyer – good luck to him – exploits the absence of detail. Not much point the Police appealing, as Justice Sian Elias on the Supreme Court will soon kick it to touch. She’s the one, among others, who disallowed the police surveillance evidence of the would-be-terrorists running around the Ureweras practicing with guns and molotov cocktails. Good to know these judges are not so out of touch and are able to identify the real dangers that threaten us //
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December 17, 2015 6:42pm
stigie

What does fucking Hager expect, he was in possession of stolen emails…?
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December 17, 2015 6:45pm
Johnboy

“Keep fighting the good fight Lucia. You have more brains in your little finger than Griff and milkey have together!”

I’d far rather have a prostate massage from Lucia’s little finger than either Griff’s or milkey’s Shawn.

Still if a blood brother offered his finger I’d be confused! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 6:49pm
Paul Marsden

@kimbo

They were my first thoughts when I heard about this matter. I don’t believe for a nano second the “judge” did not know who Hager was. This sounds all very dodgy to me. These judges are not out of touch, they’re just exhibiting their political bias.
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December 17, 2015 6:49pm
Stars And Stripes

I love the hard won freedom that capitalism and democracy bring us alright that’s why I will resist communists and Marxists at every turn who want to take this away under the guise of human rights and social justice Morrissey.
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December 17, 2015 6:53pm
Johnboy

252 comments chaps/chapesses…..keep up the good work.

How is the dead Polish Pope Lucia…..Have you been talking to him much? 🙂
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December 17, 2015 6:53pm
Johnboy

Via Christ’s mummy of course! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 6:57pm
KevinH

Herald writer Matt Nippert describes the Nicky Hager police raid ruling as a “win for Journalism”

In the case of Hager his legal team had claimed – and Justice Clifford accepted – the Police had intentionally overlooked his journalistic credentials in order to get a judge to sign off on the search warrant.

In the warrant he was described as a “political author,” and any possibility that he may have privileges to assert – over the identity of Rawshark or any other important stories he was working on – was ignored.

Herald Senior Writer David Fisher wrote:

Justice Clifford also addressed evidence from witnesses before the court that the search could discourage those with important information from coming forward to media.
He said the warrant was “fundamentally unlawful” and because of that “fundamental failure to disclose relevant information” the search was unlawful.

Nicky Hager said:

“The heart of the case is the public’s right to receive information about the actions of people in positions of authority. This decision acknowledges that confidential sources used in investigative journalism, in this case my book Dirty Politics, deserve legal protection.

“I’m very happy and relieved. I can’t do my job if I can’t protect sources and if I can’t do my job then I can’t help the public get information.”

Edit: Justice Collins ruling today addressed the issue of the legality of the warrant, the Police having failed to fully inform issuing Judge ( Ida ) Malosi of the central issues relating to the lawfulness of the warrant.
Justice Collins ruling does not give media organisations carte blanche rights to access personal information via hacking, and any media organisation that permits this activity should consider the consequences that News International experienced concerning hacked phone records.
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December 17, 2015 6:57pm
Yoza

Paul Marsden (1,101 comments) says:
December 17th, 2015 at 6:49 pm

@kimbo

They were my first thoughts when I heard about this matter. I don’t believe for a nano second the “judge” did not know who Hager was. This sounds all very dodgy to me. These judges are not out of touch, they’re just exhibiting their political bias.

Using the domestic security apparatus to intimidate critics of the current regime is the problem here, the Judge’s ruling is an attempt to ameliorate the humiliation these over-enthusiastic National party proxies have wrought for the illusion of the rule of law.
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December 17, 2015 6:58pm
Johnboy

“Nicky Hager said:

“The heart of the case is the public’s right to receive information about the actions of people in positions of authority. This decision acknowledges that confidential sources used in investigative journalism, in this case my book Dirty Politics, deserve legal protection.”

Protect your shitty book as much as you can Nicky old chap. It won’t make me any more interested in buying a copy than I was when you first wasted ink printing the crap! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:02pm
Kimbo

@ KevinH

Justice Collins ruling does not give media organisations carte blanche rights to access personal information via hacking, and any media organisation that permits this activity should consider the consequences that News International experienced concerning hacked phone records.

No, instead if they are smart they will simply outsource and use independent agents such as Rawshark, and especially if the leak concerns a right wing figure they can simply publish with impunity, secure in the knowledge that the rest of the MSM and the judiciary will back them up because…”it is in the public’s interest” 😉
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December 17, 2015 7:02pm
mikenmild

I think we can leave it to the courts to determine whether there is a public interest in the publication.
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December 17, 2015 7:06pm
Kimbo

@ Yoza

Using the domestic security apparatus to intimidate critics of the current regime is the problem here, the Judge’s ruling is an attempt to ameliorate the humiliation these over-enthusiastic National party proxies have wrought for the illusion of the rule of law.

Yeah! If not, John Key would be rolling the tanks in like it was ~~Prague in 1968~~ oops, we don’t mention that…um,…Chile in 1973 😉
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December 17, 2015 7:07pm
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

I think we can leave it to the courts to determine whether there is a public interest in the publication.

I love it. So you don’t accept the inspiration of the Scriptures, or the authority of, say the Pope, but you are prepared to entertain “the infallibility of the New Zealand judiciary”?
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December 17, 2015 7:09pm
mikenmild

Um no, Kimbo. I didn’t say the courts were infallible, just that they provide the best available mechanism to assess a public-interest defence.
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December 17, 2015 7:11pm
Johnboy

Hungarian and Chilean wines have aged and mellowed awfully well since the vines were clipped Kimbo old chap! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:11pm
Tom Barker

The court order against the police for costs and damages over the Hager judgment will be interesting. I’m no expert, but I would imagine a confidential sum in the mid six figures.
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December 17, 2015 7:12pm
mikenmild

But why are we wasting time on Hager when we could be having a laugh about prison rape?
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December 17, 2015 7:12pm
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

Um no, Kimbo. I didn’t say the courts were infallible, just that they provide the best available mechanism to assess a public-interest defence.

Not the three branches of the executive, mikey?
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December 17, 2015 7:13pm
Johnboy

Nothing like a wonderful quaff of a lovely Pinochet while excising the taste of other reds Kimbo old chap! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:16pm
Yoza

Kimbo (4,061 comments) says:
December 17th, 2015 at 7:02 pm

No, instead if they are smart they will simply outsource and use independent agents such as Rawshark, and especially if the leak concerns a right wing figure they can simply publish with impunity, secure in the knowledge that the rest of the MSM and the judiciary will back them up because…”it is in the public’s interest”

The police have compounded the original disgrace, exposed by Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, by acting as agents attempting to avenge the humiliation the book heaped on the Key regime. The raid on Hager’s house now looks to be more about intimidating dissidents than enforcing the rule of law.
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December 17, 2015 7:18pm
mikenmild

I wouldn’t see anything supernatural in three branches of government, Kimbo. In any case, that’s more of an American thing.
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December 17, 2015 7:18pm
nasska

Be careful kiddies! What started out as a mundane leg regrowing project went out of control when the wrong prayer was used & the Great Skydaddy misunderstood the request.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ft4ugs6i69nqql2/Pentecostal%20cockups.jpg?dl=0

WARNING: This process should not be attempted without adult supervision. 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:19pm
Johnboy

I’m starting to get concerned about you Andrei. You are pursuing Lucia for ideology. I only fancy her for sex! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:24pm
Andrei

I deleted it Johnboy – I didn’t want her head to explode when all her myths were exploded

Its a good video though but too obscure for you Anglo Saxons
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December 17, 2015 7:29pm
Kimbo

@ Yoza

The raid on Hager’s house now looks to be more about intimidating dissidents than enforcing the rule of law.

Intimidated?! Hager?! Are you mad? He did a martyr’s lap of victory when the cops frisked his place, and now he’s doing another. If I was his agent I would have paid the cops to do it…or “tipped them off” with an anonymous phone call 😉
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December 17, 2015 7:30pm
Johnboy

Are you keen on a sixsome Andrei…I assume you can produce a partner of the opposite ? 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:30pm
mikenmild

On Andrei. I know you think I’m trolling, but I’m genuinely interested in knowing what you would consider to be Stalin’s greatest crime.
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December 17, 2015 7:31pm
Johnboy

If so we can wait for Lucia to toss her hat into the ring so to speak! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:32pm
mikenmild

And you have yet to convince me of the merits of the Fitzroy over the Bellevue, Johnboy.
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December 17, 2015 7:34pm
Yoza

Kimbo (4,064 comments) says:
December 17th, 2015 at 7:07 pm
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Yeah! If not, John Key would be rolling the tanks in like it was Prague in 1968 oops, we don’t mention that…um,…Chile in 1973 ?

Exactly. Totalitarian regimes reflexively use state violence to silence dissent. Liberal democracies go to great lengths to silence dissent by marginalising those who do not conform to a tacitly accepted narrow framework of political discourse. When Key uses the domestic security apparatus to attack a dissenting voice it shatters the illusion of a free and democratic society.

Key and his thuggish underlings got overexcited, now the judiciary have to clean up the mess.
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December 17, 2015 7:34pm
Johnboy

“what you would consider to be Stalin’s greatest crime.”

Never having a sixsome with Winnie, Roosevelt and their respectives I would suggest milkey! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:35pm
Stars And Stripes

Yoza- Nationals so called humiliation wore of pretty quick didn’t it because unfortunately the plan fell at the last hurdle when the voters returned the gov’t and gave you and your mate Hager the middle finger.
How long will it take you to accept that apart from you paranoid weirdos on the extreme left the rest of NZ just does not care.
I suppose we are just to busy working to pay for your welfare cheque on a Wednesday.
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December 17, 2015 7:35pm
starboard

Might catch up with Nigella when she’s in Invercargill, take her for a ride in my squirrel, see if she’s got any meat marinating ideas.
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December 17, 2015 7:38pm
Johnboy

Clementine and Eleanor were never that pretty of course but a couple of paper bags would sort it! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:38pm
Andrei

Stalin’s purges of course – the terror of the late 1930s

There is an really good film about it – Утомлённые солнцем = Burnt by the Sun, you should watch it (not Burnt by the Sun 2 which was a big mistake)
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December 17, 2015 7:41pm
mikenmild

Well done, Andrei. I really thought you would never speak ill of any Russian hero.
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December 17, 2015 7:44pm
Johnboy

How did they manage to completely excise Nikolai Yezhov from that photograph with Stalin with the tech they had in 1938 Andrei……………..Amazing folks them Soviets eh! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:47pm
Yoza

Stars And Stripes (231 comments) says:
December 17th, 2015 at 7:35 pm

Yoza- Nationals so called humiliation wore of pretty quick didn’t it …

No, it didn’t. Dirty Politics is now an historical document. This humiliating exposé will be the subject of scrutiny for years to come.
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December 17, 2015 7:49pm
Johnboy

Wait for his answer milkey 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:49pm
Andrei

They did a survey of Russians on who they thought was the greatest Russian Hero of all times a few years back Mikenmild

(1) St Alexander Nevsky
(2) Pyotr Stolypin
(3) Stalin

He wasn’t all bad

Do you think Winston Churchill was a saint?

What would have happened to him if the UK had been defeated? Hanged for war crimes?

He once said “History will be good to me for I intend to write it”
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December 17, 2015 7:51pm
Johnboy

Speaking of excising from the record when did you retire/get purged from the PSA milkey old chap? 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:51pm
Johnboy

Cop out Andrei…Answer the question! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:53pm
Andrei

How did they manage to completely excise Nikolai Yezhov

They did an amazing job with Helen Clark a few years back, she almost looked human
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December 17, 2015 7:53pm
Yoza

Kimbo (4,065 comments) says:
December 17th, 2015 at 7:30 pm

@ Yoza

The raid on Hager’s house now looks to be more about intimidating dissidents than enforcing the rule of law.

Intimidated?! Hager?! Are you mad? He did a martyr’s lap of victory when the cops frisked his place, and now he’s doing another. If I was his agent I would have paid the cops to do it…or “tipped them off” with an anonymous phone call

I would say Nicky Hager was genuinely shocked by the overzealous stupidity of the police. I imagine senior figures in the establishment were similarly shocked by that stupidity.
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December 17, 2015 7:57pm
nasska

….”she almost looked human”….

Weta Studios are good but they’re not that good! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:57pm
Johnboy

You are still avoiding the question Andrei…I’m starting to suspect that Lucia is right about you old chap! 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:57pm
Johnboy

295 chaps …can we make it another 400 night? 🙂
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December 17, 2015 7:58pm
Andrei

What question is that Johnboy?
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December 17, 2015 7:59pm
Stars And Stripes

Yoza the only people who will be reading this historical document in years to come are the same people who bought the book now.
As for the rest of NZ well they were not interested anyway so they will go on as before.
Which brings me back to the vast majority don’t really care and never will.
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December 17, 2015 8:00pm
Johnboy

“How did they manage to completely excise Nikolai Yezhov from that photograph with Stalin with the tech they had in 1938 Andrei……………..Amazing folks them Soviets eh! 🙂 “
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December 17, 2015 8:01pm
KevinH

@Yoza
Liberal democracies allow dissent, democracies thrive on a contest of idea’s, the Trump road show couldn’t exist within the parameters of narrow political discourse and John Key wouldn’t embarrass himself with a bar of soap if he had any designs on shattering any notion of shattering a free and democratic society.
Stalin of course would of executed all parties associated with Dirty Poltics including the judges, his totalitarian rule forbade dissent.
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December 17, 2015 8:02pm
Johnboy

Surely the few that actually give a fuck can matter Stars And Stripes?

If the answer is in the negative we might as well cut our collective bloody throats really!
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