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Manolo

A would-be terrorist confesses: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35089386

An Australian teenager detained during raids in Melbourne in May has pleaded guilty to a terror-related charge.

The 17-year-old boy pleaded guilty to engaging in an act in preparation for, or planning, a terrorist act between 25 April and 8 May this year. Earlier hearings were told he prepared to make explosives after obtaining instructions online.

Police also told the court radical Islamic propaganda was found during the raids.
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December 14, 2015 4:11pm
publicwatchdog

So Maggy – does that make you ‘WanderWoman’?

😉

Her Warship
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December 14, 2015 4:11pm
Kimbo

@ Jack5

No, no Scripture – although the irony of someone who wants the benefit of a Christian “heritage” but is not prepared to sign up to the primary requirement of faith and discipleship is palpable!”Cheating bludger” is the term I’m looking for. Ordinarily I’d hold back on such a blunt description, but considering your utter lack of charity towards an entire group with no respect for individuals (ordinarily a key feature of that “Christian heritage” thing)…I think you’ve earned that.

In detail? Do you really think I’m going to slog away for weeks to provide a tome giving my view of what Christian nation/heritage is in detail? Do they have slaves on the planet you come from?

Just something of more substance and positive definition than “a country without Muslims”…which, alas, I see you haven’t really progressed beyond in your latest post.

A Christian nation, in my view, is one in which the predominant religion is Christian, even if that is the religion of just the largest minority.

Seems an arbitrary straw to clutch at to justify your desire to restrict entry to others, especially when the majority is either non-Christian and/or non-religious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_New_Zealand

As I see it, Wahhabist clerics and missionaries and agitators, financed by Saudi Arabia, are a danger to the West and Western way of life.

Agreed. But maybe not as great or as subtle as those you would claim to uphold our freedoms by undermining them.

As well the Wahhabist proselytisers and outright fanatic terrorists who would destroy us,…

As above, yeeees

…I believe a huge influx of more moderate Muslims who want to suck on the pleasures, the welfare, the education, the opportunities of the despised West, would also threaten our way of life.

He he he. I love the moving goal posts and rhetorical sleights of hand you use. There is not currently, nor in the foreseeable future any danger of a “huge influx” of Muslims, radical, Wahhabist, moderate, or whatever. Our current immigration policies are encouraging nothing of the sort…from any minority religious, racial or ethnic group. And more to the point, you aren’t wanting to stop a “huge influx”. – you want to stop immigration of anyone who is Muslim. OK, then drop the deceit and pretext on your part and the nonsense that Muslims (who for a variety of reasons would struggle compared to other reasons to make the points/security clearance threshold of other usual immigrants) can and will swamp us under current policy settings.
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December 14, 2015 4:19pm
Left Right and Centre

Why do Fairfax continue to publish shit such as the poor wife of the late Scott Guy having a new child.

Kylee . . . that’s a bad start . . . and her sons are named ‘Hunter’, ‘Drover’ and newborn ‘Husky’.
Husky ? You are shitting me. Husky might just use one of his middle names – Glenn, John or Martin.
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December 14, 2015 4:26pm
Manolo

The price of accepting vile Shariah law:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3358625/Inside-Britain-s-Sharia-courts-EIGHTY-FIVE-Islamic-courts-dispensing-justice-UK-special-investigation-really-goes-doors-shock-core.html
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December 14, 2015 4:28pm
EAD

World Bank Whistleblower Reveals How The Global Elite Rules The World:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/world-bank-whistleblower-reveals-how-the-global-elite-rule-the-world/5353130

Karen Hudes is a graduate of Yale Law School and she worked in the legal department of the World Bank for more than 20 years. In fact, when she was fired for blowing the whistle on corruption inside the World Bank, she held the position of Senior Counsel.
She was in a unique position to see exactly how the global elite rules the world, and the information that she is now revealing to the public is absolutely stunning. According to Hudes, the elite uses a very tight core of financial institutions and mega-corporations to dominate the planet.

The goal is control. They want all of us enslaved to debt, they want all of our governments enslaved to debt, and they want all of our politicians addicted to the huge financial contributions that they funnel into their campaigns. Since the elite also own all of the big media companies, the mainstream media never lets us in on the secret that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way that our system works.
Remember, this is not some “conspiracy theorist” that is saying these things. This is a Yale-educated attorney that worked inside the World Bank for more than two decades.

Today, Hudes is trying very hard to expose the corrupt financial system that the global elite are using to control the wealth of the world. During an interview with the New American, she discussed how we are willingly allowing this group of elitists to totally dominate the resources of the planet…
A former insider at the World Bank, ex-Senior Counsel Karen Hudes, says the global financial system is dominated by a small group of corrupt, power-hungry figures centered around the privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve. The network has seized control of the media to cover up its crimes, too, she explained. In an interview with The New American, Hudes said that when she tried to blow the whistle on multiple problems at the World Bank, she was fired for her efforts. Now, along with a network of fellow whistleblowers, Hudes is determined to expose and end the corruption. And she is confident of success.
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December 14, 2015 4:35pm
Scott Chris

Andrei (3,737 comments) says:
December 14th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Scott Chris – Donald Trump is running to give Horrible Hilary the presidency

Andrei, on the face of it that makes some kind of sense, but what’s in it for Trump? The guy doesn’t show any loyalty to anybody but himself and really, I don’t think he could be that good an actor. Unless he’s being blackmailed or bribed (very unlikely imo) he’s just acting natural.
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December 14, 2015 4:43pm
EAD

Where did ISIS get those wonderful toys – damming evidence:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/11/where-do-isis-members-get-those-wonderful-toys/

In a previous article, we ended up asking some of the most puzzling questions which out to be teased out of the political situation in Syria: Where do ISIS members get their wonderful toys? The group does have heavy tanks. Did they outsmart Putin and forge those armored vehicles in the Middle East?

Or are we dealing with a terrorist group whose military resources are to be found outside Syria? Is it possible that entities in the West, in Israel and even in Turkey are actually passing out military technologies to the terrorist group?

The answers to those questions should not be a surprise to VT readers, for we have said repeatedly that terrorist states such as Israel have been abetting ISIS from time immemorial. We have also pointed out that scholars like F. William Engdahl have shown the link between ISIS and Israel.

It gets better. The Daily Mail has recently blown everything out of proportion by reporting that “elite Israeli troops” have spent millions upon millions of dollars rescuing so-called Syrian rebels and sending them to Israeli hospitals, despite the fact that “some may even be fighters for groups affiliated to Al Qaeda.” The Mail continued to say:

“Almost every night, Israeli troops run secret missions to save the lives of Syrian fighters, all of whom are sworn enemies of the Jewish state. Israel insists that these treacherous nightly rescues are purely humanitarian, and that it can only hope to ‘win hearts and minds’ in Syria. But analysts suggest the Jewish state has in fact struck a deadly ‘deal with the devil’ – offering support to the Sunni militants who fight the Syrian ruler Assad in the hope of containing its arch enemies Hezbollah and Iran.

“There is no doubt about the danger involved. Many of the casualties rescued by Israel belong to Salafist groups who harbour a deep-seated hatred of the Jewish State. It has also been reported that some may be members of Jabhat al-Nusra, a Syrian group affiliated to Al Qaeda that has kidnapped scores of UN peacekeeping troops in this area, and has massacred Christians deeper in Syria.”

Israel, the Mail reported, has been doing this for the past three years! Lieutenant Colonel Itzik Malka, commander of the medical branch of the Golan Brigade, declared:

“I am proud of what we are doing here, but it is a great burden. For every Syrian in hospital, there is one less bed for an Israeli. One day we will have to make a choice between an Israeli life and a Syrian one. When that happens it will be hard, but I have to say my first duty will be to Israelis.”

So, when Jewish writer Shmuel Rosner said that the United States needs to “let Israel fight ISIS,” I simply could not hold my laughter. Rosner is either ignorant of the fact that both Israel and the United States are accomplices in funding the terrorist organization or he is lying.

If Rosner is actually ignorant, then he needs to “psycho-analyze” himself and ask the deeper question: why is it that ISIS has never attacked Israel for the past three years? Certainly Rosner cannot be ignorant of the fact that the so-called Syrian rebels, as USA Today itself put it, “pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda.” Surely Rosner knows that the West has been supporting those terrorist groups since the past three years. So, for him to say that we have to “let Israel fight ISIS” is simply not a funny joke. He knows better.

We Americans have to grapple with a number issues as well. We have been sending at least three billion dollars to Israel every year. What do they do with that money? They build hospitals in order to take care of terrorists. In other words, the Israeli regime thinks that the Goyim are blind and therefore cannot see that there is a complete perversion here.

If the Goyim are simply donkeys, as the late rabbi Ovadia Yosef put it, then they do not have the cognitive faculties which allow them to look at a situation from a rational point of view. They cannot think and therefore need the Dreadful Few to do the thinking for them.

That is why the Dreadful Few think that they can get away with just about anything. That is why their puppets can invent some of the most ridiculous assertions and think that they will persuade the American people. For example, listen to this new lie:

“Islamic State militants have made more than $500 million trading oil with significant volumes sold to the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and some finding its way to Turkey, a senior U.S. Treasury official said on Thursday.”

Assad has been fighting ISIS for the past three years or so, and now we are being told by geniuses at the U.S. Treasury that Assad has been buying oil from ISIS. Who do these people think they are kidding? Do they really think that Assad is that stupid? NWO agents seem to be running out of ideas, and their only resort is to invent more lies and fabrications.

But because our young people have been bamboozled by so-called entertainers like Selena Gomez, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Meghan Trainor, Beyonce, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Demi Lovato, Fifth Harmony, Iggy Azalea, Hilary Duff, Ariana Grande, Adele, etc., can make neither heads nor tails of what’s going on in the Middle East.

Do you want a challenge? Take the statement by the U.S. Treasury, quote it to as many young people you can find in America, and ask them what they think or whether the U.S. Treasury is telling the truth. The answer may surprise you.
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December 14, 2015 4:44pm
mikenmild

is that the same Karen Hudes who claims that an alien race is hiding in the Vatican, EAD?
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December 14, 2015 4:46pm
Fletch

Here we go again. Anika Moa is engaged to be married. This will be her second “wife”, after she split with her first (a burlesque performer). They had twins (Anika’s brother providing the sperm).

Now Anika is engaged to TV3 reporter Natasha Utting, and they are expecting their own baby (with the help of a gay friend’s “pottle” of sperm.

http://www.womansday.co.nz/celebrity/new-zealand-celebrities/meet-anika-moa-and-natasha-uttings-little-treasure-2847

I just have to shake my head at all this. Poor kids.
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December 14, 2015 5:06pm
Viking2

As with anything the Nats do they manage to fudge, dissemble and fail to make a bold decision.
Another grand failure of effort. Failure to move onto 2016.

Continuing the cost plus models of the past. Wonder how much the taxi companies gave to them for this.

Uber set to face tighter rules, but not in-car cameras, Govt recommends

Uber could be forced to check drivers’ log books and vehicle safety, after the Government recommended forcing it to become an approved transport operator

On Monday the Government released a consultation paper recommending that instead of maintaining a two-tier system for taxis and private hire providers, it would create a new single class system, where operators are responsible for safety and compliance. It comes almost a year after Associate Transport MInister Craig Foss announced a review of the rules.

Although officials said this would lead to reduced compliance overall, operators like Uber would be responsible for making sure all drivers had passed “fit and proper person” tests, had operated within work time limits and that vehicles used by drivers had certificates of fitness.

Hopless as usual.

Bridges and Foss.
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December 14, 2015 5:13pm
Fletch

EAD @4:44pm, they most likely got them from Obama.
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December 14, 2015 5:19pm
cha

An Indonesian and now this bloke.

Most remarkable of all is Aamer’s refusal to condone or make excuses for the Mad Max jihadis terrorising Britain and other nations. “Even if there is a war you cannot just kill anybody, you cannot kill kids, you cannot kill chaplains, you cannot get a knife and start stabbing people,” he says. “If you are that angry about this country, you can get the hell out.” Coming from him, these words are potent and profound.

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We have never been so unpopular or unwelcome. Unless good Muslims speak up and take on Islamicists, the future will only get bleaker. Let’s follow Shaker Aamer and say out loud: Jihadis who hate this country and Europe, get the hell out of here. Then diverse citizens can find common cause and maybe try to make a better future for us all.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/shaker-aamer-is-right-jihadis-should-leave-or-be-expelled-from-the-uk-and-its-up-to-muslims-to-say-a6771626.html
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December 14, 2015 5:34pm
itstricky

is that the same Karen Hudes who claims that an alien race is hiding in the Vatican, EAD?

I love the list of entertainers. It’s very specific. Does that mean anyone not on the list is not corrupting minds of the young?
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December 14, 2015 5:44pm
Longknives

“Here we go again. Anika Moa is engaged to be married. This will be her second “wife”, after she split with her first (a burlesque performer). They had twins (Anika’s brother providing the sperm).
Now Anika is engaged to TV3 reporter Natasha Utting, and they are expecting their own baby (with the help of a gay friend’s “pottle” of sperm.”

Kids- The ultimate ‘Fashion Accessory’ in the Gay Community these days..
*Even more ‘Fashionable’ if they are raised from a young age to be Transgender!
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December 14, 2015 5:46pm
cha

they most likely got them from Obama.

Yup, supplying terrorists since 1997.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/23/automobiles/23CARS.html?
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December 14, 2015 5:47pm
itstricky

They cannot think and therefore need the Dreadful Few to do the thinking for them.

That is why the Dreadful Few think that they can get away with just about anything.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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December 14, 2015 5:48pm
itstricky

Kids- The ultimate ‘Fashion Accessory’ in the Gay Community these days..
*Even more ‘Fashionable’ if they are raised from a young age to be Transgender!

Does IVF for hetrosexual couples who can’t have kids naturally annoy you?
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December 14, 2015 5:51pm
Shawn Herles

DO-OVER: Obama tries again to reassure Americans over terror threat

“PRESIDENT OBAMA will make a series of visits to the Pentagon and National Counterterrorism Center this week in an effort to allay Americans’ concerns about the terrorism threat after criticism of his address following the San Bernardino attack last week.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/14/obamas-anti-terror-visits-this-week-include-pentagon-stop-but-no-strategy-changes-expected.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Poor old Obama’s speech from the oval office was an epic fail. Almost nobody believes him any more when it comes to terrorism. They think he is asleep at the wheel.

And they are right.

“Tashfeen Malik, who along with her husband killed 14 people in Southern California, reportedly passed three background checks by American officials before she moved from Pakistan to the United States and none of them found her social media posts about jihad.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/13/tashfeen-malik-reportedly-passed-background-checks-despite-questionable-social/?intcmp=hpbt1

Vetting does not work. End ALL Muslim immigration.
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December 14, 2015 6:01pm
Shawn Herles

“Where did ISIS get those wonderful toys – damming evidence:”

No, Veterans Today, a Russian funded neo-Nazi site.
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December 14, 2015 6:04pm
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgig1QVU2lY
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December 14, 2015 6:07pm
Andrei

Hey Shawn it seems Kremlin funded RT works just the way you have always said it does

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQQwBfux9i0
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December 14, 2015 6:14pm
Jack5

Kimbo posted at 4.19:

There is not currently, nor in the foreseeable future any danger of a “huge influx” of Muslims, radical, Wahhabist, moderate, or whatever.

That’s that they thought in Munich, and Berlin, and London, and Athens, and Budapest, a couple of years ago. And in NZ we have multiculturists who want us to take large numbers of refugees, of all types, but at the moment these are largely Muslim.

Kimbo also says:

… And more to the point, you aren’t wanting to stop a “huge influx”. – you want to stop immigration of anyone who is Muslim. OK, then drop the deceit and pretext on your part and the nonsense …

What is the point, Kimbo, of asking someone to give their position, then extending it beyond what they say and ridiculing and attacking the extension? That’s how ten-year-olds argue.
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December 14, 2015 6:24pm
Manolo

No speech by the Trojan horse Obama will make any difference. His actions speak much louder than his words.
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December 14, 2015 6:35pm
starboard

aww thats just not right Longknives..moas brother provided the batter for the first lot? They all need serious help. What a clusterfuck. Lesbians with children, homosexuals with children, just so, so wrong…and now they get another spoonful of batter from a homosexual. Words fail me.
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December 14, 2015 6:53pm
Kimbo

@ Jack5

And in NZ we have multiculturists who want us to take large numbers of refugees, of all types, but at the moment these are largely Muslim.

Whereas we have a government that adopts a pragmatic and measured policy. There: Problem sorted.

What is the point, Kimbo, of asking someone to give their position, then extending it beyond what they say and ridiculing and attacking the extension? That’s how ten-year-olds argue.

Sorry, Jack5. Have I misinterpreted your plethora of previous posts, and you don’t in fact want an immediate restriction on immigration to New Zealand all who happen to be Muslims?! Seriously?! My sincere apologies if that is the case. Perhaps you’d like to take this opportunity to clarify and tell us how many are acceptable to you, so we can put to bed once and for all the allegation I am (to quote you) “extending it beyond what (you say and ridiculing and attacking the extension”…

You remind me of those contentious and irascible academics who are forever claiming, whenever anyone tries to pin them down on what they mean, or interpret what they say, that they have been “misquoted” and/or “misunderstood”, and it is so veeery tedious to have to waste one’s time clarifying the substance and implications of what you really mean
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December 14, 2015 6:54pm
Manolo

Offensive according to an arsehole academic:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/14/australian-newspaper-cartoon-depicting-indians-eating-solar-panels-attacked-racist

A cartoon in the Australian depicting starving Indians chopping up and eating solar panels sent to the developing nation in an attempt to curb carbon emissions has been condemned as “unequivocally racist”.

Drawn by the veteran cartoonist Bill Leak, Monday’s cartoon was his response to the climate deal signed in Paris at the weekend. India is the world’s fourth-largest greenhouse emitter.

Amanda Wise, an associate professor of sociology at Macquarie University, said in her view the cartoon was shocking and would be unacceptable in the UK, the US or Canada.

“This cartoon is unequivocally racist and draws on very base stereotypes of third world, underdeveloped people who don’t know what to do with technology,” Wise told Guardian Australia.
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December 14, 2015 7:02pm
dad4justice

“Lesbians with children, homosexuals with children, just so, so wrong…and now they get another spoonful of batter from a homosexual. Words fail me.”

Proud to be a New Zealander. Yeah right! What a sick country!
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December 14, 2015 7:03pm
Shawn Herles

“Whereas we have a government that adopts a pragmatic and measured policy.”

Sounds like Obama speaking. 14 US citizens and 130 people in France are dead because of your pragmatic and measured policy Kimbo. And sooner or later Kiwis will also be dead.

So, I’m back to my question which you will likely ignore out of cowardice; how many men, women and children are you willing to sacrifice at the altar of liberal democracy?

10? 100? 1000?

By the way, real democracy is just democracy. If you have to stick “liberal” in front of it, it’s a dead give away that you oppose real democracy.
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December 14, 2015 7:07pm
Shawn Herles

“In January of 2015, a handful of Senators quietly introduced new legislation in Congress that would allow for virtually unlimited Muslim immigration into the United States – lifting caps entirely on several categories of visas favored by immigrants from Muslim countries.

The Mark Zuckerberg-backed legislation, S.153, is called the Immigration Innovation Act (or I-Squared), and it has taken on new significance following the terrorist attacks in San Bernardino. Those attacks were only possible due to Muslim immigration: Syed Farook is reportedly the child of Pakistani immigrants, and his jihadi bride, Tashfeen Malik, was reportedly born in Pakistan.

The I-Squared bill is significant for a second reason. One of the Senators who introduced the bill is also running for President: Sen. Marco Rubio. And several of Rubio’s most prominent financial backers are among the bill’s boosters.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/13/mark-zuckerberg-backed-immigration-bill-allow-unlimited-muslim-immigration/
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December 14, 2015 7:11pm
Left Right and Centre

I’m watching Story (I’m certifiable)
Salvation Army – now you can donate online. And convert to their brand online. (Ok, making up the last part).
Here’s a woman who donates to it. Here’s an ‘occasional’ user. It’s a brown woman – looks ok – dressed ok I guess.
And then her car they show only very quickly. Cuz – she’s got a car, one. Two – looks like a nice set of wheels.
And she needs help with the basic groceries – really ?
Detail – what detail ? Don’t need any of that. What did that nice looking car cost ? Did someone donate that too ? Probably paying it off and can’t afford food. It smells fishy. They should call it Half Story.
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December 14, 2015 7:16pm
Shawn Herles

The results of multicultural “diversity”

Radical School Principal Bans Pledge of Allegiance, Christmas, Thanksgiving

“A report states that Eujin Jaela Kim, a public school principal in Brooklyn, has banned virtually all celebrations that run afoul of far-left political correctness.

From the New York Post:

Santa Claus is banned. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer recited. “Harvest festival” has replaced Thanksgiving, and “winter celebrations” substitute for Christmas parties.

New principal Eujin Jaela Kim has given PS 169 in Sunset Park, Brooklyn, a politically correct scrub-down, to the dismay of teachers and parents.

“We definitely can’t say Christmas, nothing with Christmas on it, nothing with Santa,” PTA president Mimi Ferrer said administrators told her. “No angels. We can’t even have a star because it can represent a religious system, like the Star of David.

Kim, 33, did not return a call or e-mail seeking comment.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/13/radical-school-principal-bans-pledge-of-allegience-christmas-thanksgiving/
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December 14, 2015 7:18pm
Andrei

You don’t really get democracy Shawn Herles – a democratic Government does not mean one acceptable to the United States State Department policy gnomes – it means one selected by the people of the Nation which it Governs.

You’ve tripped up on this little detail many times
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December 14, 2015 7:19pm
Jack5

Kimbo’s 6.54 post included:

Perhaps you’d like to take this opportunity to clarify and tell us how many are acceptable to you, so we can put to bed once and for all the allegation I am (to quote you) “extending it beyond what (you say and ridiculing and attacking the extension”…

Kimbo, “tell us?” and “we can put to bed”. Who are you speaking on behalf of?

Then you ask someone to argue but at the same time declare yourself the judge and jury of the argument.

Then you say:

You remind me of those contentious and irascible academics who are forever claiming, whenever anyone tries to pin them down on what they mean, or interpret what they say, that they have been “misquoted” and/or “misunderstood”

What the fuck are you on about Kimbo? When or where have I alleged I have been misquoted or misunderstood?

How old are you?
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December 14, 2015 7:37pm
Don the Kiwi

This is interesting – and honest – from a real man of yore, rather than the abusive convoluted bile of our current non-believers, like Gripp, mm, cha and others.

“I am a historian, I am not a believer. But I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history.”

H.G. Wells

You don’t have to be an abuser to demonstrate your disagreement – on whatever subject – to others who have a different belief.
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December 14, 2015 7:40pm
Viking2

The West Coast economy needed to diversify as part of the “inevitable transition to a life after coal”, he said.

Tasman Mayor Richard Kempthorne supported investigating the proposal.

The road would run from the Wangapeka Road carpark on the West Coast through to the Rolling River carpark in the Waimea basin, just to the west of Tapawera.

Karamea residents welcomed the concept.

Diana Storer has owned the Karamea Village Hotel for 34 years. She said the road would have a big impact on the community.

“It’s definitely a great idea. It would open up the coast more.”

She said the town’s horticulture, fuelled by “good land and a micro-climate”, would benefit from greater access to inland South Island towns.

New road linking West Coast to Nelson would bring ‘life after coal’ – mayor

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/75072126/new-road-linking-west-coast-to-nelson-would-cut-through-national-park

Vote on the page.
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December 14, 2015 7:59pm
Jack5

Kimbo, before I sign off, I must say you remind me of acquaintances in my youth who were dropouts from training for the more vigorous forms of Roman Catholicism.

They were usually good blokes, pleased to be free of religion, good mates, but always there remained in them a hankering to steer conversation into an argument about Christianity. Then they could flex the rather old-style logic and arguing that they had been taught. (None of the powerful modern symbolic logic stuff.) Often by that time they were opposed to Christianity.

Always so argumentive that the next time you encountered them they wanted to resume some debate from a fortnight before that you had forgotten.

Do you fit this, Kimbo?
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December 14, 2015 8:02pm
Viking2

Roger Heale, chief executive of the New Zealand Taxi Federation, said his initial reading of the document suggested Uber would be subject to many of the rules his members faced.

“When the government first asked for submissions earlier this year we called for a level playing field that valued driver and passenger safety,” Heale said. “On first read, this document appears to offer that.”

Heale said taxi operators in New Zealand would “continue to evolve our business model to meet the adapting needs of all New Zealanders”.
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So iof its good for the taxi operator its not so good for the paying customer.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/75082869/uber-set-to-face-tighter-rules-but-not-incar-cameras-govt-recommends
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December 14, 2015 8:04pm
SPC

Jackie, yes kimbo does tend to adjudicate on the debates he is involved in, and analyse those he is debating with, and misrepresent their posts by taking things out of context so as to make his own judgment more credible – however three things.

1. This is somewhat natural (if indulgent and self-serving) after a debate has continued for awhile, to put some spin on it.
2. You should not bring argument maturity into it, while posting stephiebot, stephie the Moslem collective … (he was raised in a Presbyterian family but has obviously become one of society’s text …print and post without proof reading … generation liberals).
3. Just say what your opinion is on immigration and refugees, it is after all what you post a lot about and are now debating with kimbo.
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December 14, 2015 8:13pm
Kimbo

@ Jack5

Perhaps you’d like to take this opportunity to clarify and tell us how many are acceptable to you, so we can put to bed once and for all the allegation I am (to quote you) “extending it beyond what (you say and ridiculing and attacking the extension”…

Kimbo, “tell us?” and “we can put to bed”. Who are you speaking on behalf of?

He he he. Side-stepping again, eh? You are a dishonest fellow, aren’t you?

But I’ll answer you question, straight, even though you don’t deserve it: no one but…me.

Now, any chance you’ll answer mine? Oops, too late…you’ve signed off.

When or where have I alleged I have been misquoted or misunderstood?

Jack5 (7,590 comments) says:
December 14th, 2015 at 6:24 pm

What is the point, Kimbo, of asking someone to give their position, then extending it beyond what they say and ridiculing and attacking the extension? That’s how ten-year-olds argue.

Always so argumentive that the next time you encountered them they wanted to resume some debate from a fortnight before that you had forgotten.

Do you fit this, Kimbo?

Nope. I think today has satisfied me you are a fraud not deserving of anymore oxygen. Thanks…I learned all I needed to.
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December 14, 2015 8:34pm
Kimbo

@ SPC

Jackie, yes kimbo does tend to adjudicate on the debates he is involved in, and analyse those he is debating with, and misrepresent their posts by taking things out of context so as to make his own judgment more credible

Now, now, SPC. I may like to test the opinion of others – which is a thoroughly legitimate practice especially as this is a forum for General Debate! – but as per above, I’d dispute I misrepresented anyone, especially Jack5.

More to the point, I made an offer back on GD on 4 December to settle our differences once and for all. I note you did not take up that offer, and as a result I’ve continued to honour my commitment to the best of my knowledge to pass you by and/or avoid sniping.

If you want to address the issues, go for it. If not, I’ll leave you to be, and I’ll do so in the expectation you will do likewise…

Here, I repeat the post again:

Kimbo (4,004 comments) says:
December 4th, 2015 at 5:39 pm

@ SPC

Kimbo, just stop the lying.
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Well, at least we are both Python fans.

OK, SPC. How about you just tell me, in one sentence or less, what it is you believe concerning the Scriptures, and why you think your opinion is compelling? Sorry – and I’ll gladly wear the blame for this if it makes you happy – but in among references to stuff such as “kingship descending”, “hills are nations” and “worldwide floods”, all of which no doubt makes complete sense to you – I am unable to figure out (and as before, I’ll gladly take the rap for that), your “big idea”, and it it completely lost on me.

So, please, in one sentence or less, please tell me what it is and why…and if not can we at least agree to pass one another by, as life is too short to get lost in mutual obscurity.

And sorry I originally missed your “the ‘quick and the dead’ is a western saying’ line due to my tunnel vision. Most amusing, and I may use it again sometime – with your permission in case of ©SPC (2015)

Cheers,

Kimbo

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/12/general_debate_4_december_2015.html
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December 14, 2015 8:43pm
Viking2

Crone was elected to the board of Contact Energy last week, and will earn standard fees of $126,500 for that role, plus additional fees for committee services.

At the company’s annual meeting last week Crone told shareholders that she would be making a decision on the mayoralty bid this week and that she had told Contact’s board that “if something were to happen” the firm would remain her “top priority”.

Crone, who spent nearly two decades at Telecom and Chorus before joining Xero last year, announced her candidacy this afternoon.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11560963

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A Gatting protege.?
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December 14, 2015 8:45pm
Reid

A Gatting protege.?

Jury is out V2 and don’t forget who is behind Gattung. However, given there is nothing more vigorously defended than a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction, it’s surely an unwise move for a newly elected board member of any company, to stand for the mayoralty of the biggest local authority in the country and thus consumer of thousands of vested interests.

But apparently, they think no-one will notice.

Perhaps they haven’t realised the MSM is no longer the sole source of news.
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December 14, 2015 8:59pm
SPC

Then the issue is, what are the expectations of the mayor of Auckland as to external relationships (being on a company board) – would they have to resign if elected to the mayoralty?
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December 14, 2015 9:09pm
Awww C-mon

TBH SPC (acronym central!) I still can’t believe that no-one is having a serious go at Goff for campaigning while still on the public tit and only resigning if he wins, fucking rude.
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December 14, 2015 9:12pm
SPC

Awww-C-mon, the difference may be that Contact will keep Crone on the board after she is elected mayor. Not because she would still have the time to contribute to the operation of Contact, but because her being Mayor gave her access to information of use to the board.
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December 14, 2015 9:29pm
stigie

“Proud to be a New Zealander. Yeah right! What a sick country”!

Good evening Dad, why the bee in the bonnet ole chap ?
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December 14, 2015 9:40pm
blazeoflight

https://hoskingrants.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/new-zealands-ignorance/

Jeremy Wells Nails Hosking again!

Took me a few seconds to work out what C&B meant.
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December 14, 2015 9:43pm
cha

Cracker comment on the article.

ISIS doesn’t have to attack us. America is dying of stupidity. I can’t believe grown people are that ignorant.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-town-rejects-solar-panels-amid-fears-they-suck-up-all-the-energy-from-the-sun-a6771526.html
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December 14, 2015 10:03pm
Manolo

Kind to his teacher:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3359003/Teacher-French-kindergarten-stabbed-neck-hooded-man-shouting-allegiance-ISIS.html
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December 14, 2015 10:17pm
Manolo

The animals copy other animals:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3358840/How-depraved-ISIS-Group-s-Sharia-judges-order-children-s-syndrome-disabilities-killed-chilling-echo-Nazis.html
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December 14, 2015 10:21pm
Jack5

Popped back in…

Kimbo to SPC at 8.43:

I made an offer back on GD on 4 December to settle our differences once and for all.

A duel? Now boys! It would be terrible if both of you were fatally wounded.

New Zealand’s most famous duel – until Kimbo v. SPC – was, according to Wikipedia:

Colonel William Wakefield and Dr Isaac Featherston (who was his doctor) met in Wellington after Featherston had questioned Wakefield’s honesty in a newspaper editorial on the New Zealand Company land policy. Featherston fired and missed, then Wakefield fired into the air – saying that he would not shoot a man with seven daughters

A number of duels were fought in early NZ colonial history – details:

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/duels
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December 14, 2015 10:21pm
Jack5

SPC …. if the duel goes ahead …

Aim for the body. Unless you were using an IMI Desert Eagle, the bullet would ricochet off Kimbo’s skull.
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December 14, 2015 10:32pm
SPC

Music in all white communities.

1. bluegrass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
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December 14, 2015 10:37pm
Jack5

Re SPC at 10.37 on bluegrass being the music of white communities.

I forgot that Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Handel and all were ethnically non-white.
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December 14, 2015 10:41pm
SPC

I said music in all white communities (classical music is common in multi-cultural communities). No banjo pride Jackie?
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December 14, 2015 11:01pm
SPC

Black composers of the 18th & 19th centuries.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2015/jun/02/ten-black-composers-whose-works-deserve-to-be-heard-more-often
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December 14, 2015 11:08pm
Kimbo

@ Jack5

SPC …. if the duel goes ahead …

Aim for the body. Unless you were using an IMI Desert Eagle, the bullet would ricochet off Kimbo’s skull.

Hmm. With your knowledge of weapons, would it be out of the question to call upon your services as my second, Jack5? 😉
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December 14, 2015 11:11pm
Jack5

SPC mentions banjo pride.

The origins of the banjo:

… the banjo originated hundreds of years ago somewhere on the African continent.

Source: http://www.musicfolk.com/docs/Features/Feature_Banjo.htm

And from Wikipedia:

Early forms of the instrument were fashioned by Africans in America, adapted from African instruments of similar design.

The banjo is frequently associated with country, folk, Irish traditional and bluegrass music. Historically, the banjo occupied a central place in African American traditional music, before becoming popular in the minstrel shows of the 19th century. The banjo, with the fiddle, is a mainstay of American old-time music.

A true multicultural background, eh SPC?
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December 14, 2015 11:14pm
deadrightkev

“Climate change expert John Key has this to say after the Paris conference:

‘Kiwi households will pay about $100 extra a year as part of New Zealand efforts to meet an ambitious new climate change target, Prime Minister John Key says.’”

John Key is a disgrace. If he says $100 it will be $200 plus. And for what? Sweet fuck all.
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December 14, 2015 11:15pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Islamic stabbing in Paris:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12049014/Teacher-stabbed-in-Paris-by-attacker-citing-Islamic-State.html
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December 14, 2015 11:21pm
Jack5

Kimbo posted at 11.14:

.. would it be out of the question to call upon your services as my second, Jack5 …

I might be better as the referee, Kimbo, to ensure a fair duel, but otherwise I would be honoured to accept.

In either case my acceptance would be contingent on SPC not using a Desert Eagle, even if he could hold it up with two hands. Let him loose with that and everyone a mile in front would be in serious danger.
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December 14, 2015 11:21pm
Kimbo

@ Jack5

Interesting reference to Colonel William Wakefield – as you no doubt know his memorial is currently within the Basin Reserve (for many years it was just outside)…and his idiot brother Arthur got his skull hacked open in the Wairau Valley Affair. And a director of the NZ Company taking offense at the accusation it was shonky?! I thought that was the defining quality. Then again, I’ve probably got my version of history from the multiculturalists.

And I always thought this was the last successful duel involving a New Zealander:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO9PlliT4ys
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December 14, 2015 11:32pm
Manolo

A very serious issue. How long before oil hits rock-bottom and some companies go belly up?
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/01c7f874-a259-11e5-bc70-7ff6d4fd203a.html#axzz3uGtXKYas

Oil is close to breaking below the lows hit during the financial crisis amid increased expectations of a persistent oversupply in global crude.

Brent crude dropped $1.60 to $36.33 a barrel yesterday — the lowest in seven years — edging closer to the December 2008 intraday low of $36.20 a barrel.
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December 15, 2015 6:38am
Viking2

$25.00 Manolo

We ain’t at the bottom yet.
Iron ore at $38.00 a Tonne down from $180.00
Aussie mines shutting all over the place.
Coal, nickel and so on.
Aussie into huge deficits.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/75072096/rio-olympic-security-fears-lift-taits-brazil-divisions-radio-sales
A bit about Petrobas on this article.

Auckland housing slumping.
Our $ too high along with our interest rates. We need it down to be able to sell in the new impoverished world climate.

Money looking for a home anywhere at the present.
Look for interest rates to go a lot lower.

Price of cars to crash.

Import prices of somethings to rise.

anything with an energy or commodity component will go down.
Bond markets close to collapse.

A lot of money is trashed when markets as big as commodities go down. (and vice versa of course).

Lots of Arabs going to lose their hijabs and join the working class once more.
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December 15, 2015 6:55am
Viking2

NZ MPs get pay rise of 4 per cent,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/75072736/nz-mps-get-pay-rise-of-4-per-cent-while-pm-john-keys-pay-hits-448000

Meanwhile some of them MP’s (and their party funders), want us to remain tied to the business laws of the 80’s.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/75082869/uber-set-to-face-tighter-rules-but-not-incar-cameras-govt-recommends

Bridges and Foss.
Toss the lot out.
Get out of peoples lives you socialists.
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December 15, 2015 7:00am
Chuck Bird

I see the Conservative Party is not listed in the Herald. Even the Peter Dunne party is on 0.3%.
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December 15, 2015 7:42am
Manolo

It was a hoax: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/14/europe/paris-teacher-stabbing-masked-man/

Paris – A teacher who claimed to have been stabbed by a masked man at a kindergarten on Monday “made up the attack,” the Paris prosecutor’s office told CNN.
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December 15, 2015 7:42am
Manolo

He continues to rise: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/poll-trump-new-high-216741

According to the results of the latest Monmouth University poll surveying voters identifying as Republican or independents leaning toward the GOP, Trump earned 41%, nearly tripling the support of his closest rival, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who took 14%.
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