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November 9, 2015 10:29am by David Farrar

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MH

Has the 3rdNZEF been established ? The use of Canterbury to land territorials and capture errant NZers is justified. Meddle Mounting can be purchased through the usual sources.
I wonder how many of you are aware that the funds collected on Poppy Day can be accessed by non-veteran personnel? Surely the aim of the Royal NZ Returned and Services Association was and apparently ostensibly is to take care of veterans first and then their wives and dependants not part time territorials and non combat personnel regardless of their length of service? The public have not been informed-we are still being conned into visions of old be-medalled men needing welfare and yet before the last returned or veteran man/woman has been buried, the funds collected, are being distributed or at least being made available to non veterans or service men and women who have never faced a belligerent force. This is wrong, the RSA can’t even be bothered to subsidise funeral notices of our remaining veterans or do a deal with the Herald or other mainstream papers unlike the Australians. They should at least be offering to pay the families funeral expenses of veterans without the need for application. Why are they still collecting funds ? Basically money has been collected by true veterans and their wives over the years but when they need it themselves they have been forgotten and are unable to speak for themselves.We have forgotten them.
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November 9, 2015 6:12pm
Reid

Rand Paul: Clinton, Rubio both ‘neoconservatives’

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/08/politics/rand-paul-neoconservative-hillary-clinton-marco-rubio/index.html

Neocons of course being murderous bastards.
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November 9, 2015 6:34pm
Reid

Why are suicide rates among veterans higher than in the general US population, American author David Swanson asks, posing yet another question: why does the subject of war as a suicide-related motive never arise in official studies?

The problem of high suicide rates among war veterans is widely discussed in the United States: the latest study has found that the suicide rate among recent veterans is 50 percent higher than non-military civilians.

Incredible as it may seem, official reports brush aside the idea that war itself has anything to do with the problem…

…”The answer is, I think, the same as the answer to the question of why the topic is so studiously avoided. The answer is summed up in the recent term: moral injury. You can’t kill and face death and return unchanged to a world in which you are expected to refrain from all violence and relax…”

http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20151108/1029786201/us-veterans-high-suicide-rate.html
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November 9, 2015 6:37pm
Andrei

For those interested in finding out how ~~unreliable Reid’s sources for his conspiracy theories are~~ off the planet insane Shawn Herles’ Neocon heroes are.

Of course given this man has business interests in the weapons industry and gets richer by the USA’s warmongering they might conclude its not insanity just unadulterated evil that is at work here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wd_4ys4n1o
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November 9, 2015 6:42pm
Reid

Love him or hate him, businessman, TV personality and presidential candidate Donald Trump knows how to fill the seats, proving so once again on Saturday when he gave comedy program Saturday Night Live the much-needed ratings boost its been looking for.

NBC estimated its Nielsen rating score for Trump’s appearance at a 6.6, translating to as many as 10 million viewers nationwide. This handily beat the live comedy sketch program’s season premiere last month, hosted by Miley Cyrus and featuring a guest appearance by Hillary Clinton, by a whopping 47 percent…

http://sputniknews.com/us/20151108/1029789111/trump-snl-ratings-bonanza.html

Meanwhile, the idiot media including here, stands round braying at Trump like the morons they truly are, as someone who tells people home truths whacks home run after home run, while the idiot media stand uncomprehending as to how their oh so “sophisticated” ~~news~~ propaganda isn’t having the effect it always used to. Sound familiar? “Dirty politics” for example?

I’m not sure how I feel about Trump, just like my jury is still out on Ron Paul and on Putin and on Farage and many others who appear on the political stage as “the good guys.” I’ve just observed for decades how the punch and judy show called “democracy” fools the sheeple 24/7/365, is why. But what I do like is how the abovementioned, like Cynthia McKinney (who I do rate), appear to be dealing, for once, in [some] truth and not superficial lipstick-coated platitudes and outright lies designed for idiots who understand nothing.

The latter of which is the style of 99.9% of the politicians the sheeple in the Western world are dumb enough to elect, no matter what side they claim to “represent.”
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November 9, 2015 6:53pm
Reid

BBC Journalist Comes Clean: “Believe Nothing You Read Or Watch”

John Darvall is a BBC radio host who recently had an epiphany over the state of journalism, after realizing the industry he’d served so well wouldn’t think twice about screwing him over for a good story…

…However, he’s now seen the light: ‘truth’ and the mainstream media don’t go together, after all. Darvall suggests there’s no future for his industry, suggesting that the Internet will eventually take over as the primary source of finding out about current affairs:

‘The way we all consume news is changing,’ he writes. ‘The way we share news has changed and will continue to change at a faster pace. This week TV and newspapers have proven to me why they are not the future of news. If they can’t even get their facts right, be trusted with clear information and then report it accurately is it any wonder that we are all turning to Facebook, Twitter and other internet sources for our news and information? The internet allows us to come to our own conclusions by checking our own facts. We really can’t trust the traditional outlets to do it right or properly. I write this as a father who has lost a daughter. I write this as a journalist who loved his work but can now clearly see why so many have lost faith in his profession and traditional media. They, we and I have brought this on ourselves.’

Finally, Darvall leaves us with two pieces of advice:

‘Trust nothing you read or watch,’ he tells us, and possibly the most important thing of all: ‘Love your children and loved ones. Properly love them. Tell them every day, make sure they know that you love them regardless of what might be happening. Nothing is more important than that.’

Well said, sir.

Darvall’s blog post comes in the wake of two (much bigger) ‘shock-horror’ admissions by insiders that the mainstream media is entirely fake: a German journalist recently spilled the beans on how media professionals are nothing more than propaganda writers who deliberately lie to the people and help intelligence agencies push for war.

In another story that went viral around the world, a model who built her career on making herself look beautiful for Instagram photos had what can only be described as a total breakdown, quitting the ‘business’ of social media and blowing the whistle on how shallow and fake the entire industry is in her final YouTube video ever…

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/11/bbc-journalist-comes-clean-believe-nothing-you-read-or-watch.html
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November 9, 2015 7:10pm
Reid

Legendary US Cmdr Says Russia Would ‘Annihilate’ US In War

http://www.politico.eu/article/inside-the-pentagons-fight-over-russia-us-eastern-europe/

It’s the generalship. That’s what the sheeple don’t get. They only look at the wonderful toys the US has. (Of which Russia has proven recently it too has some.)

But generalship is what wins wars. And the US has generals [and politicians] who know only one thing. Bring overwhelming firepower and thou shalt prevail.

And that’s the problem.

And what do they do when that option isn’t available?

Most of them, the leaders, have nothing more to offer…

http://www.politico.eu/article/inside-the-pentagons-fight-over-russia-us-eastern-europe/
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November 9, 2015 7:24pm
mikenmild

That’s right, Reid. ‘Overwhelming firepower’ would be inconsequential, really.
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November 9, 2015 7:27pm
Reid

The point was mm and not surprised you missed it, what happens when that’s not available to them?
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November 9, 2015 7:35pm
mikenmild

I’d be surprised if the US lost its overwhelming military power any time soon, Reid.
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November 9, 2015 7:38pm
Andrei

That’s right, Reid. ‘Overwhelming firepower’ would be inconsequential, really.

‘Overwhelming firepower’ is very useful for reducing third world nations that can’t fight back to rubble and leaving them failed states Mikey

But after 14 years in Afghanistan for example what has been achieved?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/15/us-to-keep-more-troops-in-afghanistan-than-planned-officials-say/
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November 9, 2015 7:39pm
Shawn Herles

“But after 14 years in Afghanistan for example what has been achieved?”

1. It is no longer a safe haven for Al Qaeda.

2. Unlike the Russkies, we have not run away with our tails between our legs when the going got tough.
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November 9, 2015 7:55pm
nasska

Phrase of the day…..from the Urban Dictionary:

Jumping the Gerbil…..

…..becoming gay, particularly in reference to an adult who has previously led a straight life
“He jumped the gerbil that night he went to the gay bar with Bruce.”
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November 9, 2015 7:56pm
Shawn Herles

“Neocons of course being murderous bastards.”

Neocons being defenders of liberty and democracy, and the free world.
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November 9, 2015 7:58pm
mikenmild

Any Kiwiblog candidates you have in mind that might soon ‘jump the gerbil’, nasska?
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November 9, 2015 7:58pm
Viking2

A Scottish Jew decided to retire and take up golf, so he applied for membership at a local golf club.

About a week later he received a letter that his application has been rejected.

He went to the club to inquire as to why.

Secretary: You are aware that this is a Scottish golf club?

Scot: Aye, but I am as Scottish as you are, ma’am, my name is MacTavish.

Secretary: Do you know that on formal occasions we wear a kilt?

Scot: Aye, I do know, and I wear a kilt too.

Secretary: You are also aware, that we wear nothing under the kilt?

Scot: Aye, and neither do I.

Secretary: Are you also aware, that the members sit naked in the steam room?

Scot: Aye, I also do the same.

Secretary: But you are a Jew?

Scot: Aye, I be that.

Secretary: So, being Jewish, you are circumcised, is that correct?

Scot: Aye, I be that, too.

Secretary: I am terribly sorry, but the members just would not feel comfortable sitting in the steam room with you, since your privates are different from theirs.

Scot: Ach, I know that you have to be a Protestant to march with the Orangemen. And I know that you have to be a Catholic to join the Knights of Columbus. But this is the first time I’ve heard that you have to be a complete prick to join a golf club.
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November 9, 2015 7:58pm
nasska

A few of the Godnutters are the front runners at this stage Mike. Judging by their intimate knowledge of the most sordid details of homosexual practices it won’t be long til the next mass outing. 🙂
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November 9, 2015 8:03pm
Shawn Herles

Boots on the Ground; Fighter Jets in the Sky

“The Pentagon is sending several F-15s to Turkey, as David Axe writes at the Daily Beast. Their mission will not be to conduct strikes against targets on the ground. They are designed for “air-to-air combat” which in this case means:

…. to help protect other U.S. and allied jets from Russia’s own warplanes flying over Syria.

As Axe points out:

… other fighters, attack planes and bombers the Pentagon has deployed—including F-22s, F-16s, A-10s and B-1s—carry bombs and air-to-ground missiles and have focused on striking militants on the ground.

In stark contrast, the F-15s only carry air-to-air weaponry, and their pilots train exclusively for shooting down enemy warplanes. It’s worth noting that F-15Cs have never deployed to Afghanistan, nor did they participate in the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. The war in Syria is different.

Yes. Indeed it is.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/boots-ground-fighter-jets-sky_1059199.html
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November 9, 2015 8:03pm
mikenmild

Does anyone else find this picture hilarious?
http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/w_688,c_fill,g_face:center,q_60,f_jpg/v1430766083/vsrgbhtncdwifk3qcxbo.jpg
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November 9, 2015 8:12pm
Viking2

Quote du Jour: “The perfect bureaucrat everywhere is the

person who manages to make no decisions and escape all

responsibility.” Brooks

Atkinson.
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November 9, 2015 8:24pm
Shawn Herles

Mao had his “Great Leap Forward”

Liberals have their Great Leap into the Toilet.

“Masturbation… now on your college syllabus. Students were forced to masturbate, write detailed sexual fantasy journals, and reveal details about their sexual past, homosexual experimentation, and other graphic sexual details for their Human Sexuality course”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pTl5c0VlAw
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November 9, 2015 8:25pm
Shawn Herles

Liberals prove the need for strong gun rights.
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November 9, 2015 8:26pm
mikenmild

Whoever heard of a teenager being ‘forced’ to masturbate?
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November 9, 2015 8:27pm
nasska

Most of them rub themselves raw on a daily basis without the need for coercion or force. 🙂
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November 9, 2015 8:29pm
Andrei

“Masturbation… now on your college syllabus. Students were forced to masturbate, write detailed sexual fantasy journals, and reveal details about their sexual past, homosexual experimentation, and other graphic sexual details for their Human Sexuality course”

Yes Shawn as we know the USA has jumped the shark
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November 9, 2015 8:50pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0b32s8spj7ex1hk/Christian%20aids%20childraising%203.jpg?dl=0
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November 9, 2015 8:53pm
Reid

Neocons being defenders of liberty and democracy, and the free world.

And that’s why you’re called Captain Bananas.
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November 9, 2015 8:54pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4vyex7vw78do7rm/Christian%20aids%20child%20raising%201.jpg?dl=0
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November 9, 2015 8:57pm
EAD

Only someone who as been subjected to the American press from a young age could possibly believe that bombs and death and destruction bring “liberty and democracy”.

America once upon a time was the source for much of what was good but since the country got hijacked at the start of the 20th century, it has been the source of muh of what is evil.
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November 9, 2015 9:12pm
mikenmild

Including the defeat of your beloved National Socialism, EAD?
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November 9, 2015 9:16pm
Left Right and Centre

I was watching a sitcom on 3 called Story this evening.
One of the skits had fat women ~~waddling~~ modelling.
They were referred to as . . . wait for it . . . *plus size*. Farkin ‘plus size’ alright. Big fat cows with multiple chins and necks and an arse like two frickin beanbags. Worst euphemism ever. ‘Plus size’. Oh – they’re just big girls. Yeah bloody right.

I was really shocked because being in New Zealand and this happening – a lot of people are plus-size here,” she says.

A lot of people are ‘plus-sized’ here ? You are *shitting* me. Ummmm, no . . . a lot of people are *fat as anything* here. Fat as anything. Big fat greedy over-eating food sucking bastards. They’re just fat. All the women were fat. With fat drooping blobbly jellylific rolls. Hideous fat arms like podgy flailing disgusting mishapen doughy potchy colour drain pipes.

One of them laughably said it didn’t matter how big you are as long as you’re healthy, that’s the main thing. She looked healthy – not. In amongst whatever the hell it was on top of an elephantine neck I think were some facial features strewn across a wild landscape of loose flabby fleshy dunes of jowls. Face and neck fat of a person who is simply a massive fatty. Yep – she’s healthy – clean diet then ? Probably not putting away the Tim Tams two at a time you say ?

Fat – obese – there you go . . . they’re ‘obese models’. Do they know the word obese ? That’s what they are. Obese. Is that something to celebrate ? Yay – look at me – aren’t I wonderful and attractive ? I’m obese !! I’m 5 foot 3 inches in every direction – let’s have a fashion parade – we’re all wearing Syrian refugee shelters – we look like smiling round shaped portaloos – we’re beautiful no matter what, everyone is equally beautiful and no-one is responsible for the incredible amount of kilojoules they swill in a day.

I hope they have a swimwear section – *shudder*
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November 9, 2015 9:26pm
nasska

It’s sad when you think that some poor kinky bastard has to service them. 🙂
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November 9, 2015 9:30pm
Andrei

No Americans here Nasska

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgTpv397SKo
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November 9, 2015 9:32pm
Manolo

They can try, but the incompetent Messiah will oppose it:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-military-officials-aim-to-bolster-troop-presence-in-europe-1447034653

Senior U.S. military leaders have proposed sending more forces into Europe on a rotating basis to build up the American presence and are stepping up training exercises to counter potential Russian interference with troop transfers in the event of a crisis.
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November 9, 2015 9:34pm
starboard

Yeah I saw that LRC..fat cows bodies trying to fit into the mainstream, good luck pie eaters.
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November 9, 2015 9:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

LRC 9:26pm

Now that little rave wasn’t vey PC.

Thank goodness I had my incontinence pants on.
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November 9, 2015 9:41pm
Manolo

The nutter Corbyn quibbles with generals:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11982368/Defence-Chief-would-be-worried-if-Jeremy-Corbyn-became-Prime-Minister.html

Jeremy Corbyn is at war with Britain’s top military officer after General Sir Nicholas Houghton suggested that the fact the Labour leader would not fire nuclear weapons to defend Britain made him unfit to be Prime Minister.

The Labour leader said that he would write a formal letter of complaint to Michael Fallon, the defence secretary, after Sir Nicholas, the Chief of the Defence Staff, said he would “worry” if Mr Corbyn becomes the Prime Minister because his stance on Trident would put the country’s defence at risk.
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November 9, 2015 9:43pm
SPC

China facing downturn.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11542495
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November 9, 2015 10:37pm
Manolo

According to Griff only a huge daily dose of weed will save us. Burgers are next:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/on-global-warming-will-they-come-after-hamburgers-next-2015-11-09

Ruminants such as cattle and sheep produce vast amounts of methane each year as a digestive byproduct. Pound for pound, methane is about 30 times more damaging to the environment than carbon dioxide.

Last year scientists writing in Nature estimated that human beings keep about 3.6 billion ruminants around the world and these account for about 12% of total greenhouse gas emissions. Cattle — Big Beef — are by far the worst offenders. Their flatulence may kill us all.
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November 10, 2015 6:32am
Manolo

For those of us who love Hainanese chicken rice:
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20151105-the-singapore-dish-worth-a-15-hour-flight
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