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Viking2

What a nice day!
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November 8, 2015 8:04am
igm

We once had a goat, now deceased, they definitely display facial (especially eyes) insanity, but are sane when one looks at a facial of this month’s unionised Labour leader. No wonder he is not wanted in New Plymouth, or the parasites’ caucus!
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November 8, 2015 8:07am
Southern Raider

Interesting article by Byrce Edwards in Herald yesterday summarising all the anti All Black hate from left wing commentators.

Quite understandable why the left won’t be back into Government anytime soon.
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November 8, 2015 8:17am
Paulus

Lovely to hear Grant Robertson on “Shared Prosperity”.
How much is it going to cost me ?
Having worked hard for over 50 years and achieved a good standard of retirement living why should I share my prosperity with anybody else.
My family worked for what we have and have no intention of sharing it with the Union Labour Party and their bludgers.
Get stuffed Robertson and your acolytes. Remember with Union Labour it is smoke and mirrors – promise now and stuff you all later.
Remember Robertson, the song “the working class may kiss my arse, I’ve got the foreman’s job at last”.
Whilst the first part is suspect in this case.
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November 8, 2015 8:18am
G152

Liebor are going to ban sugar when they get into power..
Another reason to leave them on the sidelines…
If the obesity measure (BMI) is used against the AB’s they’re all obese.
Nothing about sugar, just stupidity pretending to be a science
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November 8, 2015 8:18am
Manolo

How will Putin and Russia respond?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3308121/IS-backed-terror-group-Wilayat-Sinai-named-experts-prime-suspects-downing-Russian-plane-Sinai.html

Egypt’s most dangerous terrorist group IS-affiliated Wilayat Sinai, has been named as the key suspect behind the downing of Metrojet Flight 9268.

The so-called ‘Islamic State’s province in the Sinai’, formerly known as Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis swore allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi last year, but have killed scores of Egyptian army personnel, politicians and civilians in a horrific terror campaign of suicide bombers, car bombs and roadside IEDs since 2011.
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November 8, 2015 8:21am
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/73798465/mongrel-mob-members-in-cliff-plunge

“Worst fears about Mongrel Mob convention realised, with one dead and two missing.”

“Worst Fears”? Really??
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November 8, 2015 8:23am
mikenmild

Always a nice word for someone, igm?
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November 8, 2015 8:23am
Hugh Pavletich

PAVLETICH FOLLOW-UP COMMENT … NEW ZEALAND LABOUR PARTY … PHIL TWYFORD : GROUND BREAKING NEW POLICY TO MAKE HOMES CHEAPER

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/11/asx-at-the-close-555/

… NEW ZEALAND: THE GREAT POLITICAL CONVERGENCE ON HOUSING …

Back March 2008, I walked through the whole issue … and concluded in stressing the critical importance of getting robust and clearly understood measures instilled in to the local government culture …

GETTING PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING IN PLACE … HUGH PAVLETICH … MARCH 2008 …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/performanceurbanplanning.html

The Auckland Council has started on this path from the foundation of the work by its Chief Economist Chris Parker.

Financing infrastructure appropriately is also critically important, as NZ Labour Party Housing Spokesperson Phil Twyford makes clear.

The global leader in this regard is what is known as the Texas Municipal Utility District bond financing model. The ‘father of the modern MUD’ is a Houston attorney Joe Allen. With David Oliver he explains …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/files/MUDInfrastructureFinancingSystem.pdf

Getting the appropriate structures in place suitable to local conditions, and the pricing of it right from the outset, is going to be critically important, as the industry development / construction pricing / performance across the board in both Australia and New Zealand has been so degraded over recent decades thanks to disruptive planning … as the Andrew Atkin THE REAL DEAL poster graphically illustrates …

http://andrewatkin.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/the-real-deal-housing-in-new-zealand.html

As the above posts on this MB thread illustrate, what we are seeing now in New Zealand after near eleven years of discussing these issues, is The Great Political Convergence On Housing. It is enormously heartening.

From: Hugh Pavletich [mailto:hugh.pavletich@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, 7 November 2015 7:31 p.m.
Subject: NEW ZEALAND LABOUR PARTY … PHIL TWYFORD : GROUND BREAKING NEW POLICY TO MAKE HOMES CHEAPER
Importance: High

Phil TWYFORD
Housing Spokesperson

7 November 2015
MEDIA STATEMENT
Ground-breaking new policy to make homes cheaper

Labour’s ground-breaking new policy on reforming planning rules will make housing more affordable, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says.

“Labour will free up density and height controls to allow more medium density housing and reform the use of urban growth boundaries so they don’t drive up section costs. This will curb land bankers and speculators.

“The other new element is changing the way we fund infrastructure for new developments. Currently those costs are either subsidised by the ratepayer or passed by the developer onto the price tag of a new home. That makes houses much more expensive. It also means they are paid off through mortgages at expensive bank interest rates.

“Our new policy will see infrastructure funded by local government bonds, paid off over the lifetime of the asset through a targeted rate on the properties in the new development. This will substantially reduce the cost of new housing.

“Reforming the planning rules will stand alongside Labour’s commitment to crack down on speculators, and build 100,000 new homes for first home-buyers. These are the game-changing reforms that will fix the housing crisis and renew the dream of Kiwi homeownership.

“National has been blaming councils and the Resource Management Act for rising house prices for the past 10 years, but have done precious little to fix the problems.

“Labour has the policies and the political will to get the job done,” Phil Twyford says.

ENDS

Phil Twyford calls for new way of funding housing infrastructure | Dominion Post | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/73038974/phil-twyford-calls-for-new-way-of-funding-housing-infrastructure

… a recent Australian report …

At last, a politician that understands housing ( NZ Labour Phil Twyford) – MacroBusiness Australia

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/10/at-last-a-politician-that-understands-housing/

By Leith van Onselen, Chief Economist, MacroBusiness Australia

New Zealand’s opposition housing spokesperson, Labour’s Phil Twyford, continues to impress.

Back in August, Twyford gave a brilliant sermon on how unaffordable housing is destroying the New Zealand economy, increasing inequality, and damaging the younger generations:

“The housing crisis is a disaster for the country; it’s driving up inequality and sucking vast amounts of investment into unproductive real estate speculation. No one wants to see Auckland house prices go bust. But the biggest risk to the Auckland property market is National’s hands off approach to the housing crisis which has allowed a bubble to develop in our biggest city.” … read more via hyperlink above …

… a recent American report …

Auckland tackles housing affordability crisis …. Wendell Cox … New Geography

http://www.newgeography.com/content/005086-auckland-tackles-housing-affordability-crisis

… concluding …

Setting an Example

Auckland could be taking a significant step by seeking to reverse the damage done by out-of-control house prices. Certainly, the prodding it has received from the New Zealand government has helped. Just a couple of weeks ago, Deputy Prime Minister Bill English told a university audience: “… while the justification for planning is to deal with externalities, what has actually happened is that planning in New Zealand has become the externality.” Research commissioned by the Productivity Commission of New Zealand may have also been influential.

The city’s Auckland Development Committee recently endorsed Parker’s proposal and agreed “in principle” to include the objective in the next update of Auckland’s metropolitan plan. By lowering housing costs, the city would improve standards of living and reduce poverty. Auckland could also become an example for metropolitan areas as diverse as Vancouver, San Francisco, Portland, and London, where all of the talk about improving housing affordability has remained just that, while prices continue to soar beyond the means of the middle class, particularly young families. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Distribute & discuss … thank you …

Hugh Pavletich
Co-author Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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November 8, 2015 8:25am
Longknives

Morning Mikey- You can get $36 to 1 on a NZ win in the cricket right now…
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November 8, 2015 8:26am
Manolo

The UN goes to bat for the invading hordes:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/07/europe-refugees-david-cameron-united-nations-warning

Britain will be adopting a morally unacceptable position if it turns its back on the refugee crisis in Europe, according to the United Nations special representative for international migration.
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November 8, 2015 8:27am
igm

milkwimp: Never a nice word for left-wing leeches, parliamentary (Labour/Green) parasites or bureaucratic public servants.
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November 8, 2015 8:28am
Scott Chris

I hope Tiger Woods does sue Steve Williams. Who does Williams think he is?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/73797915/tiger-woods-could-sue-kiwi-caddy-steve-williams-over-tellall-book
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November 8, 2015 8:30am
Hugh Pavletich

IMPORTANT UPDATE … CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL SEA LEVEL RISE RUBBISH … THE PRESS & KIWIBLOG

… SIMON ARNOLDS COMMENT ON KIWIBLOG … distribute & discuss … thank you …

Simon Arnold (116 comments) says:

November 6th, 2015 at 4:49 pm

Could I just say that before this thread degenerates into a food fight by the various factions on global warming etc my review was about the extent to which the report complied with the statutory requirements and did T&T do their projections (and particularly their estimates of the uncertainty) in a manner that would be regarded as statistically robust. It doesn’t discuss issues around views on climate change and relies upon the IPCC guidance. I do make the point through that sea level isn’t rising as fast as the IPCC projections would suggest so using a lower bound of the current rate wouldn’t be inappropriate.

The key specific findings were:

1. Under the RMA coastal hazard assessment needs to be in accordance with the NZ Coastal Policy Statement. The first NZCPS was issued in 1994 but this was superseded by a new version in 2010 that extensively reworded the provisions around hazard assessment from sea level rise. Most surprisingly T&T 2015 bases crucial assumptions, particularly on sea level rise, on the NZCPS 1994 (and guidance issued in respect of that), not the NZCPS 2010. This significantly exaggerates the risks because NZCPS 1994 refers to possible sea level rises; NZCPS 2010 requires the likely effects of climate change to be used.

2. T&T 2015 incorrectly applied precaution, adding bits for “safety” throughout. Thus it further exaggerates the risk it reports. This too is contrary to the NZCPS 2010 (and DOC’s guidance on this) namely that precaution is not to be used in the assessment phase, this being the prerogative of the Council when it comes to managing those risks.

3. They double counted uncertainty in the models they used to do their projection of the shore line and this exaggerates the risks. They used grossly exaggerated limits when estimating the uncertainty compared with what they claimed they were doing.

4. They failed to test their model against history to see if it stacked up in the real world. For example they made no attempt to look at what the coast line did when major storms hit in the past to see if their model was consistent with that.

The above failings make it unfit for use under the RMA or even to be used in any type of planning or resource management.

swan

No, but I can email it to you if you are interested. Send me your email address via the contacts form on my website arnold.nz

Expert calls on (Christchurch) Council to abandon sea level rise report … Liz McDonald … The Press

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/73727512/expert-calls-on-council-to-abandon-climate-hazard-searise-report

Christchurch Councils flawed data for sea level rise … Kiwiblog

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/11/christchurch_councils_flawed_data_for_sea_level_rise.html
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November 8, 2015 8:31am
Scott Chris

Never a nice word for left-wing leeches, parliamentary (Labour/Green) parasites or bureaucratic public servants.

igm, you never have a good word for anyone you miserable, miserable sod.
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November 8, 2015 8:32am
mikenmild

I think he just needs friends, Scott. Let’s reach out to him.
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November 8, 2015 8:34am
Viking2

‘It’s just too hot to wear clothes today, ‘Jack says as he stepped out of the shower. ‘Honey, what do you think the neighbours would think if I mowed the lawn like this?’
‘Probably that I married you for your money,’ she replied.
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November 8, 2015 8:37am
Viking2

Scott Chris (6,933 comments) says:
November 8th, 2015 at 8:30 am

I hope Tiger Woods does sue Steve Williams. Who does Williams think he is?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/73797915/tiger-woods-could-sue-kiwi-caddy-steve-williams-over-tellall-book
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Well that would just be another Micheal Jackson disaster.

Imagine what would filter out if he did that.

The old ” when in a hole stop digging” seems to be a bit more sensible.
But Americans and Lawyers being what they are, well who can tell?
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November 8, 2015 8:40am
mikenmild

More religious mania:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/73727576/ghost-drives-students-out-of-private-girls-school
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November 8, 2015 8:42am
Dave Stringer

One God
Three major ‘Religions’ (Judaism, Christianity & Islam)
Dozens of sects (orthodox, progressive, Catholic, Protestant, Shiite, Sunni, etc, etc, etc)
Still one God
No agreement on what “it” said
Clear writing expounding Peace & Love in all three “religions”
Conclusion – when God invented religion She was only joking.
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November 8, 2015 8:43am
Viking2

Talking about the weather, gees our weather on TV is boring.
Check this out from Mexico.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ePG6zUYvUZg

and this will help yourSunday gloom.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ePG6zUYvUZg
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November 8, 2015 8:44am
stephieboy

Manolo, yet not another Litany blaming the CIA, MI6 and Mossad for the downing of the Airbus 321 ?

BTW secret thoughts on Vladimir’s attending the opening of Moscow’s largest Mosque ?
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November 8, 2015 8:45am
Manolo

In the UK is Andrew Fisher, in NZ Greg Presland:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11981318/Jeremy-Corbyns-leadership-in-turmoil-over-toxic-aide.html

Allies of Jeremy Corbyn have warned Labour MPs to stop plotting to oust their new leader amid a deepening row over the suspension of a “toxic” party aide.

Andrew Fisher has been suspended from the party over complaints that he campaigned for a rival party at the general election – but he remains Mr Corbyn’s adviser on policy.
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November 8, 2015 8:45am
Scott Chris

I think he just needs friends

Perhaps igm considers us friends Mike. Apparently one of the main forms of communication shared by the Tasmanian Devil is through biting the faces of its fellow Tasmanian Devils. Unfortunately this has led to the rampant spread of a rare contagious cancer that could see the Tasmanian Devil become extinct:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hol33ga9G_E
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November 8, 2015 8:46am
flipper

“….

I hope Tiger Woods does sue Steve Williams. Who does Williams think he is? …..”

Certainly NOT an idiot like the contributor of that crap.

Woods would have no chance of winning …. or even getting past the first hole. And the worms would really escape from the (golf) bag. I don’t think his corporate minders would like that. 🙂
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November 8, 2015 8:47am
mikenmild

I don’t know how you got that picture of igm, Scott. I thought he was camera-shy.
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November 8, 2015 8:52am
wiseowl

Hugh
re housing crisis .Nothing to discuss. Just cut immigration. The issue no politician wants to front and yet most New Zealanders I talk to do not want NZ to get any bigger .

They all seem to be under some spell.
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November 8, 2015 8:54am
Kimbo

@ Longknives

Morning Mikey- You can get $36 to 1 on a NZ win in the cricket right now…M

Hmm. Mind you, you will see how highly Smith rates the Kiwi batting line-up when he sets his target at the declaration. Realistically there is no way we will score the 500 they are currently ahead, but with Williamson, McCallum and to a lesser extent Watling in our side I think he might bat on until they are 550-570, maybe even 600 ahead.

So over five sessions to bat out time. We did it in Perth in 1989, courtesy of ‘Paddy’ Greatbatch and a few of his friends – including Martin Snedden and his debut, ironically, Chris Cairns…

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63517.html
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November 8, 2015 8:55am
mikenmild

It isn’t over yet. Aussie will baton this morning: they are usually very conservative about declarations. Time will tell.
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November 8, 2015 8:56am
sooty

How can Labour be on about sugar, when Robbo is front and centre? Is angry’s job save then?
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November 8, 2015 8:59am
stephieboy

Crim Dot.com might be facing reality at last by downsizing and moving to a waterfront Auckland apartment .

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11541744
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November 8, 2015 9:00am
EAD

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-06/if-doesnt-convince-you-exit-global-banking-system-then-absolutely-nothing-will
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November 8, 2015 9:00am
Shawn Herles

Stabbers for Allah

http://www.steynonline.com/7275/stabbers-for-allah
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November 8, 2015 9:02am
Southern Raider

Happy 50th Birthday Mongrel Mob

Keeping brown people in thuggery and crime since 1965
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November 8, 2015 9:05am
Shawn Herles

Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, is espoused as a “true visionary” and “world changer” by many pro-abortion activists.

This radical woman, however, is hardly the hero they say she is.

https://aclj.org/pro-life/margaret-sanger-isnt-who-you-think-she-is?utm_content=sf42310321&utm_medium=spredfast&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=Informational&sf42310321=1
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November 8, 2015 9:06am
Paulus Gnome

BROWN NOT STANDING!

Hurrah, hurrah hurrah! Made my day!
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November 8, 2015 9:09am
EAD

From the Zerohedge article:

Today, bankers all around the world are making it more and more difficult to withdraw more than $3000 or €3000 per day, and simultaneously making it impossible to pay for, in cash, any item with a price tag in excess of these levels. Though most people are not questioning why this is, this global banker movement to ban all cash transactions should be interpreted as a clear and present danger to the purchasing power of everyone’s lifetime of accumulated savings.

If you’re still not convinced, then think about what the Carbanak theft of $1 billion from global banks truly means. If we investigated how this hacking group accomplished their theft, we would discover that, at times, they even hacked into bank servers to create currencies out of thin air before transferring this newly created currency to themselves. The fact that these hackers could create currency that did not even exist on the bank’s books and then steal it should compel all of us to ask ourselves, “Do we really want to hold the earnings of our cumulative lifetime of labor in digital currencies that have intrinsic values of nearly nothing?”

If we realize that bankers can store tens of millions of currency literally on just a few bits on a hard drive on their bank server, and if we understand that we can purchase a 5 Terabyte Western Digital hard drive that can hold 40,000,000,000,000 bits on Amazon for just US$179, then we really should question why we believe that digital bits will ever preserve our lifetime of savings for the next 10 years, or even for just the next 2 years.

It seems that most of us have already forgotten, quite conveniently, that banker digitalization of payments for our labor allowed bankers to easily steal 47.5% from all Bank of Cyprus accounts greater than € just a couple of years ago. With our compliance with such actions and our and acceptance of digital bits for our labor, as noted today here on ZeroHedge, Bank of Ireland bankers were recently able to ban withdrawals of less than €700 from all of its branches with little protest and relative ease.

While most of us would realize that something sinister is afoot right now in the global banking system if we merely diverted our attention away from the Sunday football game or the Game of Thrones episode on our TV for just 10 minutes to think about these issues, unfortunately, the vast majority of us still do not ever stop to think about the meaning of such events.
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November 8, 2015 9:10am
mikenmild

More choice lunacy from the Republican front-runner:
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ben-carson-humans-walked-on-the-moon-because-america-was-founded-on-god/
He’s a gift that keeps on giving.
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November 8, 2015 9:10am
Shawn Herles

France Steps Up

“France has announced that it will deploy its only aircraft carrier to boost its efforts in the fight against Isis. In a statement by the French presidency following a meeting of its defence cabinet, the government said the Charles de Gaulle warship would be sent to the eastern Mediterranean for operations against Isis in both Syria and Iraq.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/france-steps_1059236.html
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November 8, 2015 9:10am
Shawn Herles

Obama Unleashes His Pro-Criminal Agenda: The president is freeing prisoners prematurely by the thousands — and giving them special privileges.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260685/obama-unleashes-his-pro-criminal-agenda-matthew-vadum
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November 8, 2015 9:11am
Kimbo

@ Scott Chris

I hope Tiger Woods does sue Steve Williams. Who does Williams think he is?

It’s as if the donkey on which Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday thought the applause was for him! 😉
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November 8, 2015 9:12am
Kimbo

@ Shawn Herles

France Steps Up

“France has announced that it will deploy its only aircraft carrier to boost its efforts in the fight against Isis. In a statement by the French presidency following a meeting of its defence cabinet, the government said the Charles de Gaulle warship would be sent to the eastern Mediterranean for operations against Isis in both Syria and Iraq.”

I don’t mean to be a party pooper, but…since when has the French Navy won anything…ever?!

And I’m not just talking Nelson kicking their arse at the Battle of the Nile, Copenhagen, Trafalgar. As far back as Sluys in 1340 they have been coming second. Hell, they’ve even been sunk by their own allies!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Mers-el-K%C3%A9bir
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November 8, 2015 9:13am
Shawn Herles

Islam, Social Justice Warriors and the Cry-Bully: I don’t know if Cry-Bullies is the perfect word, but it captures the dynamic perfectly.

“This phenomenon of the abuser-victim is ridiculously widespread these days. Every Social Justice Warrior that organizes a hate campaign quickly rushes to friendly media outlets to whine about harassment and their heroic stand against people doing to them what they do to others.

Islamism is the ultimate Cry-Bully cause; on one hand stamping around murdering anyone who doesn’ t agree with you, on the other hand yelling ‘ISLAMOPHOBIA’ in lieu of having a real adult debate about the merits of your case. Their ‘helpline’ is even called Tell Mama – bless. The British-born Islamist recently sentenced to twelve years had no problem posing with severed heads (‘Heads, kaffirs, disgusting’) and asking friends back home to send him condoms which he planned to use raping women captured as ‘war booty’ but then claimed to be having nightmares and suffering from depression in order to escape jail.

The one thing that Muslim murderers excel at is playing the victim. Someone always “made” Mohammed do it. Someone got him so frustrated and upset that he had no choice but to rape and kill.

There’s a term for the kind of people who think like this; criminals. There’s a term for the kind of people who defend them; leftists.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/260687/islam-social-justice-warriors-and-cry-bully-daniel-greenfield
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November 8, 2015 9:15am
stephieboy

Shawn Hereles, I admire your impeccably impartial choice of links re Margaret Sanger . We have had numerous similar lies from the so called US chrstian fundie far right and pro life right and we can expect much more on your unwelcome returm !
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November 8, 2015 9:18am
Yvette

The end of Labour ?

In her speech to the annual conference in Palmerston North today, Ms King said Labour would work with the food industry to reduce the amount of sugar in processed food.

It would be voluntary at first, but would eventually move to being a requirement.
Ms King said this approach was easier than trying to bring in a sugar tax.
She envisaged the policy would apply to foods such as cereals, peanut butter, yoghurt and tomato sauce that did not have sugar added to them in the past.

… But Ms King said treat foods such as lollies, chocolate and ice-cream would not be caught out by the requirements.
“We are not the anti-treat police,” she said.

Good luck with defining in law what is a “treat food”.
A sure way to consign yourself to political oblivion – fuck with Watties tomotoe sauce
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November 8, 2015 9:20am
mikenmild

What part of ‘work with the food industry’ was too difficult for you to understand, Yvette?
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November 8, 2015 9:22am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

I welcome Robot Robertson’s equal prosperity policy. This means tax the hell out of hard working kiwis and give it to bludgers. Another nail in their coffin in the 2017 election…..
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November 8, 2015 9:23am
Gabby

What did the goat die of, Ivan the Goat Molester?
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November 8, 2015 9:25am
cas

I look forward to seeing the Labour Party gnome down at Chaffers new world going down the aisles pulling out every can/bottle/jar and piece of fruit etc to see how much sugar is in them. On a quick look at my fridge last night, the jar of mint jelly for the roast has a hell of a lot of sugar in it. Are they going to target that as well?
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November 8, 2015 9:28am
Gabby

Yvette found the whole concept baffling. She couldn’t make any sense of ‘that did not have sugar added to them in the past.’ at all. It’s all Big Fat Greek to her.
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November 8, 2015 9:29am
Yvette

mikenmild – probably this bit …

It would be voluntary at first, but would eventually move to being a requirement.
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November 8, 2015 9:29am
Yvette

cas – is mint jelly for the roast a treat food or not?
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November 8, 2015 9:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

REJOICE Auckland….

Len will retire.
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November 8, 2015 9:33am
Reid

How come Liarbore didn’t bother to look at kids inactivity today compared to what it was pre-computer games and draw some conclusions from that and design policy accordingly?

How come the fools clearly don’t understand root cause analysis?

What does this inability say about their potential successfully to run the country?
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November 8, 2015 9:35am
Awww C-mon

Auckland you are finishing 2015 in good fashion.

One tree hill is finally getting sorted, Len is gone and Penny going! If the courts can get things sorted in the next 6 weeks y’all will have plenty to celebrate at Christmas
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November 8, 2015 9:40am
Reid

LEAKED INTERNAL EMAILS from the powerful Democratic think tank Center for American Progress (CAP) shed light on several public controversies involving the organization, particularly in regard to its positioning on Israel. They reveal the lengths to which the group has gone in order to placate AIPAC and long-time Clinton operative and Israel activist Ann Lewis — including censoring its own writers on the topic of Israel.

The emails also provide crucial context for understanding CAP’s controversial decision to host an event next week for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. That event, billed by CAP as “A Conversation with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,” will feature CAP President Neera Tanden and Netanyahu together in a Q&A session as they explore “ways to strengthen the partnership between Israel and the United States.” That a group whose core mission is loyalty to the White House and the Democratic Party would roll out the red carpet for a hostile Obama nemesis is bizarre, for reasons the Huffington Post laid out when it reported on the controversy provoked by CAP’s invitation.

The emails, provided to The Intercept by a source authorized to receive them, are particularly illuminating about the actions of Tanden (right), a stalwart Clinton loyalist as well as a former Obama White House official. They show Tanden and key aides engaging in extensive efforts of accommodation in response to AIPAC’s and Lewis’ vehement complaints that CAP is allowing its writers to be “anti-Israel.” Other emails show Tanden arguing that Libyans should be forced to turn over large portions of their oil revenues to repay the U.S. for the costs incurred in bombing Libya, on the grounds that Americans will support future wars only if they see that the countries attacked by the U.S. pay for the invasions.

For years, CAP has exerted massive influence in Washington through its ties to the Democratic Party and its founder, John Podesta, one of Washington’s most powerful political operatives. The group is likely to become even more influential due to its deep and countless ties to the Clintons…

Yes. So on the right you have the wretched neocon infestation and on the left you have this. Israel Uber Alles in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/05/leaked-emails-from-pro-clinton-group-reveal-censorship-of-staff-on-israel-aipac-pandering-warped-militarism/
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November 8, 2015 9:42am
stephieboy

Reid, all I can say is that thank goodness we don’t have the likes of you running this country !

Latest of your fangless conspiracy theories on the downed Airbus 321 apart of course blaming it on the Jews ?
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November 8, 2015 9:42am
marleybob

Yes Maggy, len to retire and his doppelganger Goff will take his place.
nothing will change and we will still be listening to a blithering idiot.
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November 8, 2015 9:43am
Paulus Gnome

The downside of Brown not standing is that with Goofy in the mix, Browns presence will have been toxic and diluted both bases making it possible for someone sensible (Jamie Whyte) to lead the governance of Auckland.
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November 8, 2015 9:44am
Southern Raider

Problem with Len going is we don’t know if his successor may be even worse. The right seems to have no viable contenders and the left is holding up Goofey Goff as the messiah.

Can’t we import Gulliani?
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November 8, 2015 9:46am
publicwatchdog

Len Brown has made the (unsurprising) announcement that he won’t be standing for the Auckland Mayoralty in 2016.

In my opinion, Phil Goff will be strongly promoted as his successor, because he will be seen as a safe pair of hands for the corporate interests who really run the Auckland region.

In 2010 – the Auckland voter turnout was 51%.

In 2013 – the Auckland voter turnout was 36%.

For those who think that Phil Goff will be a ‘shoo in’ – I suggest you have a look at the results of the Avondale-Mt Roskill by-election back in 2000……

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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November 8, 2015 9:47am
jcuk

All of you laughing at Labour’s sugar efforts and gorging yourselves on it are quite likely heading for diabetes and a cost to the remaining workers. At least I appreciate the danger and am doing something about it. Education may be preferable to regulation but ….
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November 8, 2015 9:47am
Southern Raider

And if Len is gone then who will we boo at public events?
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November 8, 2015 9:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear Penny,
I think you are going to need a bit more backing for your mayoralty push.
Your loyal KB followers are an aging crew. I think you’ll need some hipsters on board.

Do you do twitter?
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November 8, 2015 9:55am
mikenmild

Quite a bit of praise for Kane Williamson:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-new-zealand-2015-16/content/story/937993.html
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/73800264/malcolm-knox-kane-williamsons-defiance-at-gabba-marks-him-as-next-super-batsman
Even the Aussie team all rushed to congratulate him on yesterday’s innings.
He’ll have his work cut out today (and hopefully tomorrow) though.
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November 8, 2015 9:58am
marcw

Oh dear, now we have the Progressive Party with a new policy goal “Shared Prosperity”. Yet another euphemism for the bs also commonly known as equality. That is as in income equality, racial equality, victim equality, social equality etc. It never however relates to equal opportunity, just equal outcome.
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November 8, 2015 10:15am
publicwatchdog

Thanks Maggie 🙂

Nope – I don’t (yet) do the twittering thing.

But I do have some younger folk – who are VERY keen to help my 2016 Auckland Mayoral campaign.

In 2013 – I polled 4th, with nearly 12,000 votes – WITHOUT a ‘team on the ground’.

This time I WILL have a ‘team on the ground’ to campaign against this Auckland Supercity’ (for the 1%), in order to ensure ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local government.

That’s the thing – when it comes to voting – there are FAR more members of the 99% than the 1%?

And if a lot of the 64% of Auckland voters (who didn’t bother in 2013) decide they’ve got someone worthy of their vote – that could throw a rather big spanner in the electoral works?

Is current Labour MP Phil Goff, former ‘Rogernomics’ Cabinet Minister in the 1984 -87 Labour Government, going to inspire the non-voting masses to get off their asses, (as it were), and vote for him, as a somehow transmogrified ‘Independent’ Auckland Mayor?

I doubt it.

Nothing personal Phil.

Just calling it as I see it.

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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November 8, 2015 10:19am
calendar girl

“Education may be preferable to regulation but ….”

“…. I would go ahead and regulate anyway.”

There, finished for you what you really wanted to say.
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November 8, 2015 10:21am
fernglas

Wouldn’t it be fun to support Penny into the Mayor’s role and then sit back and watch the carnage? When you consider how universally ineffective Auckland mayors have been in the past, it means nothing will go too far wrong, but the sideshows will be terrific fun. That’s what we need in Auckland politics; a bit of entertainment. Goff is so boring he won’t provide it. Go Penny!
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November 8, 2015 10:23am
wiseowl

Sheesh, mint jelly and roast.

Both treats around here.Who can afford a lamb roast these days?
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November 8, 2015 10:25am
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL1w1fWSKJc
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November 8, 2015 10:26am
Colville

The Pirate Bay song.. Very well done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuQLMXyGQOE
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November 8, 2015 10:27am
Odakyu-sen

Reid,

It strains credibility to post blurry pictures of UFOs (Unidentified Foreign Objects).
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November 8, 2015 10:33am
ross411

Scott Chris (6,934 comments) says:
November 8th, 2015 at 8:30 am
I hope Tiger Woods does sue Steve Williams. Who does Williams think he is?

I saw him on TV being interviewed by someone or other, I completely forget who. One of the bland news actors we have on TV. It was all about Steve Williams, making Tiger Wood’s career and events in Tiger’s life, all about himself. It was a disjoint experience, where he struggled to reconcile his close relationship with Tiger (best man) with all the events he was complaining about, and distancing himself from. When I say struggled, he basically didn’t reconcile them, just used one to try and leverage outrage about the other.
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November 8, 2015 10:34am
Reid

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/07/the-sinai-shootdown-it-finally-turns-to-israel/

It strains credibility to post blurry pictures of UFOs (Unidentified Foreign Objects).

Doesn’t look like a rock to me Od. Why do people try to make the data fit their pre-determined conclusions? Why can’t people simply let the data tell the story and then try to explain it and if the data requires them to revise their current picture well, so be it. (Rhetorical BTW, I know why, it’s because people who suffer cognitive dissonance don’t even know they have it, they think they’re being “rational” when really, the only rational approach is what I just outlined.)
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November 8, 2015 10:35am
stephieboy

Reid, I like this comment about the alleged Mars anomaly,

“Hahaha! Rover is not on mars, it is on Greenland. Another big government hoax swallowed hook line and sinker.”

or maybe ” a pump part for an ancient martian sewage sytem ”

Oh dear how boringly predictable. Gordon Duff pins the downing of the Airbus 321 on wait for it- the Jews / Israelis !

A big yawn for that one like your Martian anomaly !
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November 8, 2015 10:38am
Reid

But how do you explain the fact it’s not a rock stupidboy?

Can you do that, or not?

Or in your opinion, it is a rock? With a rock pipe sticking out of it?

Ever considered those commenters suffer from the same thing you do?

And on the VT thing, as usual you give no data. Just your trite opinion, which BTW, is worthless. My jury is still out on that, I don’t yet have enough data to draw a final conclusion. But Duff’s points on the Western disinformation are valid. Unless of course you don’t understand how that works, which none of the sheeple do, that’s why they’re sheeple…
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November 8, 2015 10:49am
mikenmild

And your random vid from the internet is authoritative, Reid?
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November 8, 2015 10:53am
Reid

No not at all mm. It could well be faked. That’s why I posted it with no comment to the effect this is definite proof of intelligent life. Because I’m not drawing that conclusion on it. But assuming it isn’t faked, then it’s a very interesting piece of data, isn’t it.

Perhaps you need to understand that many of the things I post are just interesting things to file away into the possible basket pending further data. I’ve explained that many times before, but there it is again.

In other words, you don’t need to put words into my mouth based on your own hallucination that I’m saying something definite, because that’s just disingenuous slimy tactics that don’t really befit you.

Please oblige with some independent verification !

Read what I just said here.
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November 8, 2015 10:55am
stephieboy

Reid, I first of all would like to get authentication of the video from and independent source or NASA . Until shown otherwise I believe it was faked or at best a piece of debris from one of the numerous earlier Mars space probes.

Also how do we know it was actually taken on Mars or e.g the Nevada or another desert ?

Please oblige with some independent verification !

Outline the VT ” proof ” that the Israelis downed the 321 ?
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November 8, 2015 10:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

@publicwatchdog

I’d put your PR manager on notice. I reckon I could handle things better from here in Gizzy.

1. Get on twitter….. the days of manifestos and lengthy polemics is over.
140 characters are all you need to get your message across.
All the top pollies tweet
http://fanpagelist.com/category/politicians/view/list/sort/followers_today/

2. Give those lawyers and judges the toss…get out and about the 64% who didn’t vote…….I’d start with a visit to the local mosque (I can lend you a Shayla scarf)

3. Get some nice romantic pics up in NW, Aust WW and NZ WW; pics of your house in House & Garden; send in a few cooking tips to Cuisine

4. Head off to the supercars NOW
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November 8, 2015 10:58am
mikenmild

Reid
Remarkable claims, like the idea that there is an alien spacecraft lying on the surface of Mars, tend to call for some pretty convincing evidence.
If true, this would be the greatest discovery in NASA history, so it is surprising that it’s not shouted from the rooftops. File away with all the other fake UFO shots.
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November 8, 2015 11:03am
stephieboy

mm, ah Reid has his typical fallback I think – it’s all a NASA conspiracy of silence etc !
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November 8, 2015 11:35am
jcuk

calendar girl at 10:21 am
“Education may be preferable to regulation but ….”I would go ahead and regulate anyway.”

There, finished for you what you really wanted to say.

Sadly you are correct in both what you think I might have said and what is essential if most of government resources will not be needed tp look after the mass of obese diabetes sufferers.

I see nine sheeples who simply believe in individual choice at all costs to Society gave me a downtick which is simply par for the course here with KBs collection of blinkered sheeple.

The current situation is bad and the future is even bleaker looking. I seriously doubt that education is possible and burbling on about exercise is just skating around the problem, quite correct of course and I remember being brought up in the UK during WWII when each person was rationed to one pound of sugar a week, sweets two ounces pw. Despite frequently cycling 5 miles to school and back I still put on weight and retained it thanks to the good living standards of NZ which will be its downfall. Modern technology will not help but rather emphasise the problem and government control is the only prudent course.
But the KB sheeple will just go BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
It is a shame they are so brainless in this respect.
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November 8, 2015 11:58am
Scott Chris

Alien Drone Found On Mars

Ah, I was wondering where my chimney flue cover had got to.
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November 8, 2015 12:08pm
Reid

The point is, idiots, it’s not a rock, is it.

And if it’s not that, then what is it?
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November 8, 2015 12:17pm
cha

Both treats around here.Who can afford a lamb roast these days?

Me.

http://www.coastalspringlamb.co.nz/
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November 8, 2015 12:45pm
gump

This might be the saddest NZ news story you will read this year.

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/73783672/tragic-death-of-girl-9-being-investigated-by-coroner
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November 8, 2015 12:55pm
Shawn Herles

Liberals’ Response to Dissent: ‘Shut Up’

““‘Shut up,’ he explained.” That’s a sentence from Ring Lardner’s short story “The Young Immigrunts.” It’s an exasperated father’s response from the driver’s seat to his child’s question, “Are you lost, Daddy?”

They also can be taken as the emblematic response of today’s liberals to anyone questioning their certitudes. As with the father in the story, it’s a response that indicates uneasy apprehension — the fear that they have no good answer.

It was not always so. Today’s liberals, like those of Lardner’s day, pride themselves on their critical minds, their openness to new and unfamiliar ideas, their tolerance of diversity and differences. But often that characterization seems as defunct as Lardner, who died far too young in 1935.

Consider the proliferation of speech codes at our colleges and universities. The website of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education sets out the speech codes at 400 of the nation’s largest and most prestigious institutions of higher learning. The liberals who run these institutions — you won’t find many non-liberals among their faculties and administrations — have decided to limit their students’ First Amendment right of freedom of speech.

One would have thought that universities would be the last place to limit free speech. The American Association of University Professors was founded a century ago this year precisely to champion free speech on campus.

That was then and this is now. We are told that speech codes are necessary because some students may be offended by what others say. In recent years we have been warned that seemingly innocuous phrases may be “micro-aggressions” which must be stamped out and that “trigger warnings” should be administered to warn students of possibly upsetting material.

But colleges and universities remain largely no-go territory for those who disagree with prevailing campus opinions. A notable exception is Liberty University, founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, whose mostly conservative students in great numbers listened politely and attentively to a speech by presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. It was quite a contrast with places like Harvard.

Even beyond the campus, liberals are eager to restrict free speech. This is apparent in some responses to those who argue that global warming may not be as inevitable and harmful as most liberals believe, and that while increased carbon emissions would surely raise temperatures if they were the only factor affecting climate, some other factors just might be involved.

Many liberals won’t hear of this — and don’t want anyone else to, either. Some extremists call for global warming “deniers” (a word used to suggest kinship with those who deny the Holocaust occurred) to be imprisoned or even executed as heretics. Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse has called for criminal investigation of global warming theory critics under the federal anti-racketeering statutes.”

http://humanevents.com/2015/11/06/liberals-response-to-dissent-shut-up/
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November 8, 2015 12:57pm
mikenmild

The point is, Reid, it’s not on Mars, is it?
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November 8, 2015 12:58pm
Shawn Herles

The Suffragettes Would Not Agree With Feminists Today on Abortion

“The suffragette movement is the subject of the new movie Suffragette. Starring Carey Mulligan, Helena Bonham Carter and Meryl Streep, it tells the story of the struggle for women’s rights in Great Britain from the viewpoint of a young, working-class mother. Thousands of women like her fought courageously for the right to vote so they could use that power to improve the economic and social conditions that oppressed them and their families.

In America, too, brave and farsighted suffragettes worked to obtain the right to vote, and thus the right to true citizenship, for women. Their victory paved the way for the full participation by women in the economic, social and political spheres. Our nation has been incomparably enriched by their contributions and accomplishments.

But would those early pioneers recognize the movement that claims to speak for the rights of women today?

On the issue of abortion, they would not. Many of today’s feminists see abortion as one of the touchstones of their movement. Yet many of the early leaders of the women’s suffrage movement in the U.S. believed that the rights of mother and child are inextricably linked and that the right to life and the right to vote are rooted in the inherent dignity of each human person.

The public statements of many early champions of women’s rights in the U.S. make clear their opposition. Elizabeth Cady Stanton referred to abortion as “infanticide” and wrote that “when we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit.” Victoria Woodhull, the first female candidate for president, wrote: “Every woman knows that if she were free, she would never bear an unwished-for child, nor think of murdering one before its birth.” And Elizabeth Blackwell, the first woman to receive a medical degree in the U.S., wrote: “The gross perversion and destruction of motherhood by the abortionist filled me with indignation, and awakened active antagonism.””

http://time.com/4093214/suffragettes-abortion/
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November 8, 2015 1:01pm
mikenmild

A notable exception is Liberty University

Ha, ha. comedy gold. Liberty University is exactly the kind of institution Shawn would like to see poisoning young minds here:

The name is reminiscent of Orwellian doublethink (Ministry of Truth, Ministry of Love, et cetera), since Liberty University students do not have the liberty to attend dances, break curfew, watch “R” rated movies, view sexually explicit material, enter the bedroom of someone of the opposite sex, or otherwise exhibit behavior “associated with a counterculture.” Students may not drink alcohol, or smoke tobacco, or organize petitions without permission, and are also subjected to random, mandatory drug tests. This restrictive code of conduct is called the “Liberty Way.” No joke intended. Academic posts are entirely non-tenured so the authorities can control staff as well. Falwell has said, “Where tenure is practiced, eventually theistic evolution is taught.”
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November 8, 2015 1:02pm
Awww C-mon

Geez that’s a but of perspective isn’t it Gump. WTF happens in a life so young for that to be an answer
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November 8, 2015 1:05pm
wikiriwhis business

David Kettings
16 hrs

I promised earlier that I would give the reason why I started this page. Some may already be aware why i started it.
2010 I left my job of five years as I had enough of the person I was working with. I thought that the job market would be reasonable for me to find other suitable work which would meet my needs. I was wrong. Several issues that I was aware of was the pay rates that would make it at least a livable income and that was certainly not working for minimum wage. some may say that was selfish and stupid to the point it would be better than the dole/benefit but if you added the child support payment deducted from the income I would be working for nothing. IRD as far as child support payments is an issue that I dont have a problem paying for it but it certainly adds to the fact that it isnt based on a fair system either. And dont worry I have been on both sides of the river when it comes to a paying parent and on SOLO parent benefit etc etc.
While I was unemployed, I decided to do a course to achieve some goals that would assist with obtaining further skills. Achieved and completed.
During that 3 year period I became aware of the restrictions of being on a benefit compared to any other time period stretching over my 40 year working career. The rise in costs of food rent power and the lack of the benefit system keeping up with the basic costs of survival. I felt choked. I needed to sell my car because you cant afford the gas, but you need the car to get to work etc. Boarding instead of having a place my own. And someone in my age bracket, uncomfortable..Hated it…But you take it on the chin hoping that life will turn around for the better.
I see my kids struggling worse than I ever did under a system which has certainly NOT arrived into this century..
So I wanted to see if I could do something about it.
FACEBOOK..what more could i ask for here in front of me I have a social media that can reach out to people and see if I can strike a chord with others..
I wanted to somehow make a difference to this OUTDATED and unfair system which chokes us even more.
And the reason I say that is because work is harder to get.
Temp work temp work..slaves to a changed system, used to meet the demands of companies who want to save more dollars.
This in itself is understandable with having to fork out money for Kiwisaver acc and the rest.
The government getting rid of unions because a few of the stronger unions choked this country to bits.
However, The longer one is unemployed the more disillusioned one gets and I admittedly felt like giving up.
Adding to my thoughts on this matter was meeting some of the people around me over many years.
I was heavily involved with Emergency accommodation, meeting people from around the world.
The above meant working with WINZ,PARS, Salvation ARMY, PRESBYTERIAN SUPPORT, MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM, WOMENS REFUGE, POLICE etc etc etc.

I have also worked as home help, personal aide, Commercial cleaner, truck driver, storeman, labourer. Some positions seven days a week, at all hours 7am in the morning till midnight an hour here an hour there.
I am an average joe..No qualifications etc forklift and truck licence.
Getting to the point I have met many people across a wide variety of life.
And I have seen and understand life’s difficulties through my own personal circumstances. Strangely enough I prefer my own company and I certainly would not call myself a peoples person.
BUT, I wanted to do something about this unfair outdated system that we have now and it nagged at me for weeks before I jumped in and started this page. I wanted to do it partly for me, mostly for my children and others that I have met. At the time I thought I would be happy getting a thousand as members and never thought that it would reach this number..
Enough of me and i hope get some of the reason why.
Basically the page is what it is: SEEKING a SOLUTION TO CHANGE, FINDING alternative solutions that enhance the system keeping it FAIR so as not to offend the working class. Offering those ideas to MP’s who could see the sense and benefits of those ideas.
What the rest of this page is about is..you guessed it listening to others moan about their experiences with WINZ. then we can see COMMON problems among the system.
I never wanted the page about giving advice as I felt I was not qualified to do so which is why we have kept that part of the page to a minimum except when those posts are out of the norm. By this I mean I didnt want the page to go into questions like “WHEN DO I GET PAID?”
The majority of those type of questions can be answered by ringing the 0800 number or on their website.
The questions I like seeing is when someone else may be able to give an answer through here own experience or suggesting seeking more one on one advice from a WINZ Advocate. This way its being dealt with both parties getting the whole story right..

All I ask of people joining the page is to treat everybody the way they would like to be treated.. I dont like the word RULES..I dont want to make them.. JUST COMMON DECENCY nothing more nothing less.

One last thing I dont consider this my page I consider it ours..Its hopefully all of US that want to see CHANGE in the SYSTEM
SOMEHOW..
Thats why this page is here.
Many thanks to my admins.. so far they are doing a great Job and I want to thank everybody who has stuck with it..It may offend some at some pont but if we work though it then hopefully a positive is seen.

CHEERS EVERYBODY.
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November 8, 2015 1:12pm
Kimbo

A hell of a day for Cam Slater

1. Len Brown pulls out of the 2017 Auckland mayoralty race

2. The “Dot Com Mansion” is no more

3. Colin Craig sabotages his own defamation case.

I reckon Cam should buy a lotto ticket. The was things are going Nicky Hager will be unmasked as Rawshark on this evening’s 6:00pm news.
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November 8, 2015 1:19pm
dcrown

Ben Carson takes the clusterfuck that is the GOP presidential nomination process to new heights.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ben-carsons-past-faces-deeper-questions-1446861864
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November 8, 2015 1:36pm
Shawn Herles

“The name is reminiscent of Orwellian doublethink (Ministry of Truth, Ministry of Love, et cetera), since Liberty University students do not have the liberty to attend dances, break curfew, watch “R” rated movies, view sexually explicit material, enter the bedroom of someone of the opposite sex, or otherwise exhibit behavior “associated with a counterculture.””

And you think that is bad mikey?

The point is, Bernie Sanders, a far Left Dem, spoke there and was treated with respect. If a Right Wing candidate went to a Liberal university there would protests, demands that he/she bot be allowed to speak, and threats against the speaker.

So, conservative universities turn out young people who have respect, manners, and who will listen to alternative points of view and Liberal universities turn out young people who hate free speech.

Case closed.

And the best criticism you can come up with is that the young people are not allowed pot and porn.

You have a very sick mind.
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November 8, 2015 1:46pm
wikiriwhis business

Grant McLachlan (a former Parliamentary researcher and a Nat campaign director) recently spoke out about National’s well resourced and well organised spin machine. Last night he appeared again in The Herald, with some home-truths for National on the bungled flag process:

The flag process is not New Zealand Idol
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Documents released to me under the Official Information Act demonstrate that the methods applied to reach decisions were more in line with a talent contest rather than a function of responsible government.
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What we’ve seen are celebrity panel members choosing celebrity advisors selecting celebrity designers’ designs. Of the 10,000+ entries, it seems more than a coincidence that Kyle Lockwood, Sven Baker, Andrew Fyfe, Otis Frizell and Alofi Kanter all had multiple designs that made the long-list of 40. Considering that Sven Baker’s designs were so different – and most were of little national resonance – perceived bias is an obvious concern.
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Judging an idea based on the designer rather than the quality of its content is an affront to our egalitarian heritage and has no place in the process to decide a national flag. Steven Joyce has attacked me rather than the facts I’ve raised , which demonstrates my point.
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Everything the National Party has done around the flag debate is dodgy. Since Lewis Holden took over the “Change the Flag” campaign after Lloyd Morrison’s death, he became a National Party candidate for Rimutaka and guided his campaign away from Lloyd’s preference for a silver fern on a black background and towards Kyle Lockwood’s designs – which coincides with John Key and David Farrar’s positioning.
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Perception is reality in politics. The perception is that the Flag Consideration Panel is a jack up. New Zealanders should feel violated and manipulated by the tentacles of Steven Joyce’s campaigning apparatus. [my emphasis]

On the subject of bias:

Steven Joyce’s former private secretary should never have been selected as the senior advisor to the panel. The Director of the New Zealand Flag Project, Kylie Archer, also has a CV that raises too many questions. Were John Key’s public statements during the process the result of information leaked from panel meetings?

McLachlan might also have mentioned that Julie Christie, one of the Flag Consideration Panel members who helped to pick the final 4 options, also sits on New Zealand Story, a NZ Trade and Enterprise body which promotes the Fern Mark logo. Probably just a coincidence that 3 of the 4 finalists features a silver fern then, right?

What they should do is start the assessment process again, call for submissions on the existing submitted designs, and assess all designs properly and objectively. … In the meantime, the first referendum should be delayed until March. Considering that most polls show that none of the final four designs are good enough to defeat the current flag, National’s pollster shouldn’t object to that.

http://thestandard.org.nz/nat-insider-condemns-flag-jack-up/

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November 8, 2015 1:49pm
Manolo

Allah is the god of these barbaric beasts. They celebrate:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3308706/Islamic-State-terrorists-release-sick-video-celebrating-Sharm-el-Sheikh-atrocity-titled-Satisfaction-souls-killing-Russians.html

Islamic State terrorists released a sick video yesterday celebrating the Sharm-el-Sheik atrocity, as it emerged that US intelligence agents intercepted jihadi messages about a ‘big event’ in the area just days before the attack.

In the seven-minute video, called ‘Satisfaction of souls by killing of Russians’, IS claims that its Egyptian wing, Wilayat Sinai, was behind the plane crash, and that it carried out the attack in revenge for Russian air strikes in Syria.

An Arabic narrator says in the video: ‘By God’s will, and strong efforts of our brothers and soldiers on the ground in the province of Sinai, they brought down a Russian airplane, which carried over 220 Crusader Russians. All of them have been killed, and thanks to God for that.’
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eandlbufe

Manlo Islam is a sick to its core religion. To glorify death of innocents is not only sick by a bane to society as a whole. If these people believe allha is god, then god must be evil and i would hate to be associated with him as god is supposed to be righteous and just. I know the god I believe in is righteous as he does not glorify death but life to those that seek love and forgiveness.
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