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dad4justice

“Come on D4J…tell us all about LAX”

I will bigot blouse after you post on here the emails that you claim I sent you. Lol. Fucking liar.
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November 3, 2015 8:41pm
Shunda barunda

To an atheist You are all deluded equally and the differences you hold so dear are just ineffable waffle to us .

Correction – to an anti theist bigot they are all deluded equally and the differences they hold so dear are just ineffable waffle. However, an intellectually honest person can actually view the truth of the matter rationally and rightly discern the differences.
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November 3, 2015 8:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@MM

I’m getting bored with being harmless….
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November 3, 2015 8:42pm
Brigitte

Rapture? I thought it was more like:

And you drive all night and then you see a light
And it comes right down and lands on the ground
And out comes a man from Mars
And you try to run but he’s got a gun
And he shoots you dead and he eats your head
And then you’re in the man from Mars
…
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November 3, 2015 8:42pm
mikenmild

To an atheist, of course, a believer is close to being okay. They already don’t believe in thousands of gods – so they just need to add one more god to that list.
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November 3, 2015 8:43pm
stigie

So the emails you sent BB were sordid Mad Dad ?
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November 3, 2015 8:43pm
mikenmild

Maggy
Perhaps you need to develop some more malice toward your fellow humans. The Christian Kiwibloggers will show you the way.
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November 3, 2015 8:45pm
EAD

Manolo,

amazing how that evil humanity reckon bastard Soros does not get outed by the media.

“You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse.

More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history.

It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time.

The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of its perpetrators.”

– Aleksander Solzhenitsyn, 200 Years Together
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November 3, 2015 8:46pm
big bruv

stigie

Did D4J send you emails threatening physical violence as well?
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November 3, 2015 8:47pm
Shunda barunda

To an atheist, of course, a believer is close to being okay.

That is actually true, for actual atheists that is.

But there aren’t any here, almost all of those that claim the title “atheist” here are actually anti-theists – an entirely ugly, bigoted, ignorant species guilty of the murder of millions in the 20th century.
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November 3, 2015 8:49pm
Shawn Herles

“But in truth it’s utter verbiage spoken by a brainwashed religious nutter.”

That’s your “truth” naaska, not mine.
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November 3, 2015 8:49pm
Shawn Herles

“Here all you Muslim haters/”

I don’t hate Muslims, I hate Islam.
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November 3, 2015 8:50pm
stigie

Not as yet BB, but very likely at the next meltdown !~
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November 3, 2015 8:50pm
Shawn Herles

“Perhaps you need to develop some more malice toward your fellow humans. The Christian Kiwibloggers will show you the way.”

The atheists are doing a better job of that mm. Just read Griffs mouth foaming rants about “zombie munchers”.
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November 3, 2015 8:52pm
Shawn Herles

“But there aren’t any here, almost all of those that claim the title “atheist” here are actually anti-theists – an entirely ugly, bigoted, ignorant species guilty of the murder of millions in the 20th century.”

Spot on.
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November 3, 2015 8:53pm
mikenmild

But they are zombie munchers, Shawn. Their cannibalistic rituals are quite disgusting.
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November 3, 2015 8:53pm
Shunda barunda

It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time.

The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of its perpetrators.”

The Bolsheviks were the darlings of western rationalists, and still are, the rhetoric is exactly the same exactly the same.
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November 3, 2015 8:53pm
big bruv

Anybody seen Rowan?
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November 3, 2015 8:55pm
SPC

shunda, many of the founders of the American republic were anti-theists – being deists.

Why shawn would be ignorant of that I have no idea.
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November 3, 2015 8:55pm
Shawn Herles

A few days ago someone rightly mentioned the issue of primary sources. So EAD, have you actually read Solzhenitsyn’s “200 Years Together”? Because he also says some very interesting things about Jew haters and conspiracy theorists.
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November 3, 2015 8:55pm
Shawn Herles

“But they are zombie munchers, Shawn.”

Then you don’t know what a Zombie is. Neither does Griff. The term is just childish trolling.

“Their cannibalistic rituals are quite disgusting.””

Fleecing the taxpayer while trolling this blog when you were supposed to be doing the job taxpayers were paying you to do is disgusting.

Even as a non-Catholic I can appreciate the beauty of the Roman Mass.
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November 3, 2015 8:59pm
mikenmild

EAD’s idea of primary source would be Mein Kampf or The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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November 3, 2015 8:59pm
Shawn Herles

“shunda, many of the founders of the American republic were anti-theists – being deists.”

Deism is just a variation of Theism. Why you would be ignorant of that I don’t know.
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November 3, 2015 9:00pm
Griff

Actually Shawn I think it is extremely funny that we have have people on here who practice casting spells that they believe turn crackers into the flesh and wine into the blood of a man dead and rotted for four days then apparently revived as a zombie two thousand years ago.
To you its mouth foaming rants to me its making fun of primitive beliefs that still survive in this day and age.
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November 3, 2015 9:00pm
mikenmild

Sorry Shawn, but it’s not my belief that some mumbled incantations can turn crackers and booze into flesh and blood for believers to ingest.
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November 3, 2015 9:01pm
Shawn Herles

“Actually Shawn I think it is extremely funny”

Why do you keep assuming that I care what liberals “think”?
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November 3, 2015 9:01pm
Shawn Herles

“Sorry Shawn, but it’s not my belief”

Read my last response to Griff mm. When it comes to the subject of Christianity, the opinion of liberals is just not important to me.
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November 3, 2015 9:04pm
mikenmild

What do you think of liberal Christians, then?
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November 3, 2015 9:07pm
Shawn Herles

“EAD’s idea of primary source would be Mein Kampf or The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”

Yes, I read his confession that he’s now adopted National Socialism, though I think he had long before that, and it was no surprise to me.

Unlike EAD I have read the book in question, and if he thinks it’s an anti-Jewish rant, he is badly mistaken.
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November 3, 2015 9:07pm
nasska

….” it is extremely funny that we have have people on here who practice casting spells that they believe turn crackers into the flesh and wine into the blood of a man”….

Surely not even the dimmest of the Godaddled truly believe in transmutation. It is one step removed from alchemy.
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November 3, 2015 9:08pm
SPC

shawn, deism is not a variation of theism, it rejects religion not God. Religion is based on the lie of theists that they have knowledge of God, and their lies lead to division between mankind.
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November 3, 2015 9:08pm
Griff

Because my poor deluded god whacker you are reacting .
If you did not care you would just ignore us making fun of the papists cannibalistic feasting.
Instead you have made half a dozen posts on the matter .
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November 3, 2015 9:09pm
EAD

Shaun/MM/Griff et al

Every time I hear the phrase “jew hater”, “anti-semite” blah blah blah from you lot the first thing I do is laugh it off and convert it in my mind to:

Jew-Wise.

People are not born anti-semites, as if there is some sort of congenital defect.

People that are Jew-Wise, are simply onto the game…. we have acquired wisdom. We have learned.

We want wise people in political office don’t we? Being Jew-Wise does not automatically transfer to persecution of Jews, that notion is yet more emotional illogic dispensed from semite brains.

Your brains are programmed to be full of irrational fears and superstitions. Talmudic doctrine and social pathologies “train the brain” so to speak, so anti-semitism is the filter in which you view the world through.

Your narrow view makes it pretty easy for any thoughtful person to laugh off your labelling.
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November 3, 2015 9:10pm
dad4justice

For an anonymous blogger to claim that it received emails threatening physical violence from me and not post them on a public forum to show us all does indicate dishonesty. When the blogger is a fixated and obsessed fanatical hater of d4j then it does show quite clearly that bigot blouse is full of shit and just a angry nut-bar with a severe chip on its shoulder. And of course a severely disturbed pathological liar. God help people like that.
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November 3, 2015 9:11pm
Shawn Herles

“shawn, deism is not a variation of theism, it rejects religion not God.”

Look at that sentence again SPC. Any belief in God, with or without religion, is a form of Theism. That’s all Theism means, a belief in deity of some sort.
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November 3, 2015 9:11pm
Shawn Herles

“Your narrow view makes it pretty easy for any thoughtful person to laugh off your labelling.”

You were the one who said you had come around to National Socialism EAD. Albeit a “non cartoonish version” whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.
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November 3, 2015 9:14pm
Griff

SPC theism is belief in god/s .
Deism is a belief in a non interventionist god.
Atheism is the rejection of the existence of god/s due to the total lack of evidence for their existence.
note rejection is not a belief.
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November 3, 2015 9:14pm
Shawn Herles

“SPC theism is belief in god/s .
Deism is a belief in a non interventionist god.”

Spot on.

“Atheism is the rejection of the existence of god/s due to the total lack of evidence for their existence.
note rejection is not a belief.”

Not so spot on. 😉
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November 3, 2015 9:18pm
dad4justice

My three down-ticks are all loaded from the same bitter and twisted person called Longbigotfly.

The obsession just keeps on keeping on.

Yawn.
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November 3, 2015 9:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@nasska

Surely not even the dimmest of the Godaddled truly believe in transmutation

Now, admit it…. you’ve been at the sherry tonight…
Ernest Rutherford was quite happy to tell us all about transmutation of elements………and I could bore you to death about transmutation in ferns……
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November 3, 2015 9:19pm
Shawn Herles

“For an anonymous blogger to claim that it received emails threatening ”

Cripes, are you still going on about that? Why don’t you and BB just get a room and get the tension out? 🙂

Edit: Just remember, use a condom! 🙂

Second edit: And don’t mention Rugby.
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November 3, 2015 9:20pm
nasska

Shawn

Definition of a Theist:

….”Theist, Deist, Atheist, Agnostic. A theist believes there is a God who made and governs all creation; but does not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, nor in a divine revelation. A deist believes there is a God who created all things, but does not believe in His superintendence and government.”…..

http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/brewers/theist-deist-atheist-agnostic.html

In other words a God of creation as opposed to a personal God. This is what most of us were taught theism to mean.
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November 3, 2015 9:20pm
SPC

shawn, deism is not a form of theism. It is a form of God belief. Theism is for those who belief that fate is God and God is fate. And that by their religion they know God and their fate.
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November 3, 2015 9:22pm
nasska

….”and I could bore you to death about transmutation in ferns……”….

Bore me instead with the good oil on blessing crackers into meat. 🙂
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November 3, 2015 9:22pm
dad4justice

“Cripes, are you still going on about that”

Shawn I have been asking the unhinged bigot blouse to produce the evidence for several years now. What does that tell you about the cowardly liar. And Shawn get your head out of the gutter I am no pooh pusher!
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November 3, 2015 9:23pm
Shawn Herles

“shawn, deism is not a form of theism. It is a form of God belief.”

A form of God belief is theism.

Naaska has it largely right, more or less. There really are only three basic worldviews: Theism, Pantheism, Atheism. (Polytheism is a form of theism).

Edit: I might be wrong about this, but that’s what I was taught in religious studies at uni, so blame my professor. Ironically, he was an atheist.
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November 3, 2015 9:25pm
Nostradamus

D4J:

What kind of emails did you send DPF after your spectacular meltdown on this thread?

[DPF: You should see the e-mails he is sending me. I may blog them tomorrow!]
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November 3, 2015 9:26pm
SPC

nasska “but does not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, nor in a divine revelation” – that’s a new distinction for me, usually Jews, CHRISTIANS and Moslems are regarded as theists and they all claim divine revelation.
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November 3, 2015 9:26pm
Viking2

Conspiracy
Has the missing yacht been found???

A mystery wreck has been discovered at the bottom of Picton Harbour during a Defence Force training exercise.

Navy hydrographer lieutenant Robin Kuhn said the wreck was discovered by a team searching the harbour’s seabed for navigational obstructions.

The yacht, which was about 9.8 metres long and 4m wide, was discovered on Friday about 400m east of Wedge Point.

It was at a depth of 36m, Kuhn said.

“We spoke to the [Marlborough] harbour master and some of the locals and no-one seems to know what it was.”

“It’s a little bit of a mystery … it’s not charted and no-one seems to know about it.”

The discovery was made using an underwater robot following a pre-programmed route, moving backwards and forwards to scan sections of the sea floor.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/73623547/mystery-wreck-in-picton-harbour
Its quite a big yacht. 9.3 metres long and 4 meters wide.

Will be interesting when they go look.
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November 3, 2015 9:28pm
dad4justice

Oh look the trapdoor has crawled out from its hole. Can you ask your mirror mate bigot blouse to post the emails I sent him. Great to see you got no life trapdoor just another fixated and obsessed nut-bar eh. I really feel sorry for the likes of you.
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November 3, 2015 9:29pm
Odakyu-sen

Reid and Maggy,

My wife and I took our girls to the Ghibli Museam in Mitaka (West of Tokyo) the last time we were there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdmBBpPXK9A

My wife is big Ghibli fan. As for me, I like the animate movie “Porco Rosso” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awEC-aLDzjs

Some of Miyazaki’s earlier works are quite haunting. (You will know what I mean.)
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November 3, 2015 9:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@nasska

my Catholic mates call it transubstantiation…… damned if I know how their version works…..
Thought Waikato girl might have been on to something yesterday with the suggestion of feeding her dead hubby to the pigs…….

I’m more into the Philosopher’s version of transubstantiation…… the hubby has managed to transform quite a lot of old lead piping into gold. EAD might want to come up and buy a few ingots.
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November 3, 2015 9:30pm
nasska

SPC

I reckon it could be corruption of the sense of the word through common misuse.
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November 3, 2015 9:30pm
Shawn Herles

“And Shawn get your head out of the gutter I am no pooh pusher!”

You really need to get a sense of humor D4J. It will help with your anger issues.
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November 3, 2015 9:31pm
dad4justice

I got no anger issues Shawn, stop telling lies or are you just another fixated and obsessed nut-bar?
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November 3, 2015 9:34pm
Brigitte

Ev’rybody’s talking about
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m
All we are saying is give peace a chance
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November 3, 2015 9:34pm
Griff

The best thing d4j could do is go score some pot and chill the fuck out.
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November 3, 2015 9:35pm
Shawn Herles

“I reckon it could be corruption of the sense of the word through common misuse.”

You’re probably right. I checked the Oxford dictionary and it did make a distinction between theism and deism.
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November 3, 2015 9:35pm
Shunda barunda

I reckon it could be corruption of the sense of the word through common misuse.

Like the common misuse of “Atheism” when the correct term is “anti-theism”

One is a benign philosophical position

One is an intellectually dishonest bigoted perspective that is a precursor to murder and tyranny.
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November 3, 2015 9:35pm
Awww C-mon

@Nostra

Appreciate your advice the other night but no Audi’s and yachts at westhaven are neither my gig or in fact a party I could afford to attend, tinny’s and holdens are more my gig… Too much of a bogan for my own good.

BB, if you have he emails from mad dad I would love to read some excerpts
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November 3, 2015 9:36pm
Awww C-mon

I got no anger issues

Fuck me than how would you describe your issues dad??
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November 3, 2015 9:38pm
dad4justice

“BB, if you have he emails from mad dad I would love to read some excerpts”

So would I. How many disturbed liars frequent this place or is it all one thing?. God help these poor sods.
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November 3, 2015 9:42pm
Griff

You god whacks dont get that we find it wrong when your religion delusions infringes on our life .
As this is a political blog the mere fact that it comes up so often is positive proof that it does.
If you didn’t seek to inflict your beliefs on everyone we would not have the topic come up here ever.
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November 3, 2015 9:42pm
Nostradamus

D4J:

Do you deny sending DPF emails after he banned you for 16 months?
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November 3, 2015 9:43pm
Shawn Herles

“I got no anger issues Shawn,”

Your posts reveal otherwise. Then again, so do BB’s. His ranting the other day after the rugby world cup was pretty revealing.
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November 3, 2015 9:43pm
SPC

shawn, you are still quite confused on the distinction between theism and deism.

The most credible positions are deist (a Creator God is plausible) and agnostic (how can one know), atheism (you cannot prove your God let alone your religion) just fuck you agnosticism – giving the fingers to the crap of religion as being without supporting evidence.

Theism and polytheism are irrational.

Your agreeing with nasska’s link on defining theism as excluding Judaism, Christianity and Islam – wtf, did you even comprehend what you were reading?
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November 3, 2015 9:43pm
Reid

You god whacks dont get that we find it wrong when your religion delusions infringes on our life .

And how, precisely, do they ever do that?

Give recent examples, in NZ.

Go on.

From the way you talk, there must be gajillions. So list them.

We’re waiting.
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November 3, 2015 9:43pm
Captain Mainwaring

God there are some self-flagellators on this blog. A few minutes each day is enough for me. Don’t you people have anything else to do?
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November 3, 2015 9:45pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn, you are still quite confused on the distinction between theism and deism.”

Read my posts at 9:25 and 9:35. I am happy to admit I may be wrong about the issue.

More importantly, why do you think the fact that some of the founding fathers were Deists should concern me?
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November 3, 2015 9:46pm
SPC

shunda, wrong again – deists are anti-theists.
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November 3, 2015 9:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@odakyu-sen

My eldest daughter took me… I’d never heard of Miyazaki, but she’d been a fan for years.

I just loved the whole concept of the museum and how it worked so brilliantly at all levels….. from toddlers through to professional filmmakers.
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November 3, 2015 9:47pm
Awww C-mon

You god whacks dont get that we find it wrong when your religion delusions infringes on our life

You gotta get a grip on this one griff… You can not live in any kind of community without infringing on one another. It’s part if the human condition. It’s just a stupid statement tbh.
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November 3, 2015 9:48pm
Shawn Herles

“You god whacks dont get that we find it wrong when your religion delusions infringes on our life .”

Sorry Griff, but you don’t get to trot that one out. A while back you argued in support of the State punishing Christians who don’t accept homosexuality and refuse to bake wedding cakes for gay marriages.

That infringes on my life.
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November 3, 2015 9:49pm
Shunda barunda

You god whacks dont get that we find it wrong when your religion delusions infringes on our life .
As this is a political blog the mere fact that it comes up so often is positive proof that it does.
If you didn’t seek to inflict your beliefs on everyone we would not have the topic come up here ever.

Where does this happen Griff? which NZ political party is the long arm of the church?

This is profound delusion, why don’t you just admit that it is the fact that Christians exist that gets the ant-theists wound up?

A lot of Christians are jerks, so are a lot of other people, but to suggest that Christians are interfering in your life any more than anyone else walking down the street is seems profoundly delusional to me.
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November 3, 2015 9:50pm
SPC

shawn, given your American background you should have been aware that theism and deism are distinct and not that similar.
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November 3, 2015 9:51pm
Shawn Herles

I was a child and young teen in the US SPC. I took religious studies and theology in NZ.
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November 3, 2015 9:53pm
Shunda barunda

shunda, wrong again – deists are anti-theists.

Ok, so by your logic then the Bolsheviks were in fact atheists, so it only gets worse for the irreligious.
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November 3, 2015 9:53pm
Shawn Herles

I think Shunda barunda has Griff pegged perfectly.
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November 3, 2015 9:54pm
Shawn Herles

Anyway SPC, the fact that some founding fathers were Deists is of no consequence to me. Some of them were slave owners as well. I love my country, but the founding fatheres were just men, and thus prone to being wrong about some things.
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November 3, 2015 9:57pm
SPC

shunda, yes one could call the commies who ruled Russia atheist.

But note how easy it was for Putin to pose as Christian when the new order needed a new ideology to back the man in the Kremlin.
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November 3, 2015 9:59pm
SPC

Words are clues – deism is distinct from theism, poly’theism and pan’theism, as deism has no ruling God.

Deism is of course most compatible with a constitutional democracy, rather than an established rule.

And with Creator God faith in the sense of being in accord with a human self rule or dominion in the realm of creation. Rather than theocrats and established religion.
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November 3, 2015 10:04pm
Shawn Herles

“The best thing d4j could do is go score some pot and chill the fuck out.”

Griff, given the way you tend to respond to people who are religious, or who don’t believe in man made global warming, I think you are proof that smoking pot does not chill a person out.
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November 3, 2015 10:05pm
Shunda barunda

But note how easy it was for Putin to pose as Christian when the new order needed a new ideology to back the man in the Kremlin.

Well, I’m not sure exactly what you are referring to there, care to elaborate?

In any case, I’m not suggesting Putin is the shining great hope for the world, he may or may not turn out to be a tyrant.

What I am saying is he is very intelligent, has an extremely good understanding of geopolitical issues and has completely outwitted the USA.
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November 3, 2015 10:06pm
cha

I love my country,

So, is water woman right?.
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November 3, 2015 10:09pm
Shawn Herles

SPC,

human nature is what it is, regardless of beliefs. There is no guarantee that merely because a person is a Deist, they do not have the potential to be every bit as tyrannical or evil as every other human being.

Anyway, work tomorrow, so I’m off to bed.

God bless all! 🙂
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November 3, 2015 10:09pm
EAD

The media is in the hands of the perpetrators:

The Styrian editor of Austria’s largest daily newspaper, Die Krone, has been fired after breaking ranks with the controlled media and admitting the truth about the rampant criminality, filth, and Third Word destruction which has accompanied the current nonwhite invasion of Europe.

Christoph Biró, chief editor of Die Krone, published an editorial in his newspaper on October 25, 2015, in which he admitted that the “atmosphere [in Austria] has long since tipped..He continued:

Gone are the days when the incoming refugees were received with applause …too much happened since then.

We know of young, testosterone-driven Syrians who can engage in extremely aggressive sexual assaults, to say the least. Afghans have slashed the seats in ÖBB train compartments (Austrian Federal Railways]. These acts have no relation to their emergency situation. “We do not sit there,” they say, because “Christians have sat there!”

In the emergency shelters, they do not use the sanitary facilities, but do their business just next to it and then call for female assistants: That means nothing to them….

Hordes have stormed the supermarkets, tearing the wrappers off [items], taking what they want, and then disappearing. The police are powerless. Integration? A nice word, nothing more. Integration can at best work only in individual cases.

As if on command, thousands still trample over our borders, although all forces of law and order are overrun since [last] Friday, and all the emergency quarters are occupied to overflowing. . .

… at least now ALL has become clear—no matter whether right or left, or hardliner social romantic: The limits have to be made set. The humanitarian catastrophe has to be stopped, especially for Austria and its inhabitants..”

Biró, a liberal who earlier said he and his wife had given up their holiday to “teach refugees German” was instantly sacked from his job—even though the official statement from Die Krone said he had “voluntarily stepped down” from his position.

Die Krone also pulled the online version of his editorial, only leaving up a “page not found” in its place…
This was probably motivated by 37 “complaints” lodged with the Austrian police by anti-white activists, seeking his arrest on charges of “racial incitement” (Verhetzungsparagrafen, § 283 Criminal Code) or, incredibly, “knowingly spreading false, and disturbing rumors” (§ 276 Criminal Code). The mere fact that there is such an “offense” in Austria should by itself indicate that “democracy” there is a sham.

Even more incredibly, however, is the fact that the establishment continues with its lockstep denial of the facts as laid out by Biró.

Both official police and ÖBB statements denied that there was any truth to his allegations, even though social media is full of photographic and video evidence that every word he wrote was true and accurate. Below, for example, just one of the videos which has emerged of an ÖBB “after” delivering a load of nonwhite invaders to Munich

http://newobserveronline.com/austrian-editor-fired-for-telling-truth/
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November 3, 2015 10:09pm
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I really do with there was a hell when pricks like Chalabi fall off their perch.

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BREAKING: Iraq state TV: Ahmad Chalabi, leading voice behind 2003 invasion, dies of heart attack

https://twitter.com/AP/status/661459402432634884
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November 3, 2015 10:24pm
SPC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFaBbndExzg
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November 3, 2015 11:32pm
Manolo

Exposing the myth-peddlers:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-books-cite-mismanagement-excess-at-the-vatican/2015/11/03/ba0d101a-81a5-11e5-8bd2-680fff868306_story.html

The Vatican faced fresh accusations of mismanagement, excess and resistance to change as details from two new books emerged Tuesday, a day after the Holy See announced the arrest of two insiders on suspicion of leaking internal information.
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November 4, 2015 6:35am
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Little man, big clown:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/mp-accused-of-borderline-racial-diatribe/ar-BBmMHPe?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=mailsignoutmd
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