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Reid

I can’t mm, that’s a big problem.

Is the ABC a druid?

For example.

But religion is not in the worship it’s in the heart. That’s the foundation, the alpha and the omega. A church is a vehicle to educate oneself in the Way. But it’s not THE Way.
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November 29, 2015 7:37pm
mikenmild

Perhaps the whole idea of Christianity is a satanic trick. You just can’t be sure, Reid.
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November 29, 2015 7:40pm
Shawn Herles

Reid, you have lost the argument, well and truly.

The Latin hymn has been explained, it’s a reference to Revelation calling Christ the morning star. That claim was just your blithering ignorance.

Lucia and myself have made the case that with enough photos you can claim a persons hand is making virtually any kind of sign.

And the deaf sign for “I love you” is clearly one of them.

When Lucia asked you for video proof you could not produce it.

EPIC FAIL. 🙂

There is an old saying that often applies to you. When your in a hole, stop digging.
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November 29, 2015 7:40pm
KevinH

TVNZ’s Sunday programme tonight featured an item on the cruel and inhumane treatment of bobby calves, by products of New Zealand’s dairy industry.
In particular covert scene’s recorded at a Te Kauwhata abbatoir showed staff members kicking calves in the head and throwing calves onto a concrete floor from the back of a stock truck.
The footage filmed by SAFE, who intend to release the images to the international community were appalling.
Both MPI and Fonterra have seen the video evidence provided by SAFE and as of yet no action against the farmers or abattoir has happened.
The Dairy Industry urgently needs to tidy up it”s farming processes. The treatment of those calves was neither ethical or humane and the farmers involved should face the consequences.
It is just not acceptable to treat calves like that, prosecutions plus commercial penalties must be imposed to give farmers a clear message from consumers,
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November 29, 2015 7:42pm
Reid

Perhaps the whole idea of Christianity is a satanic trick. You just can’t be sure, Reid.

mm please don’t try your disingenuous bullshit with me on this.

Have more respect for me than that.
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November 29, 2015 7:44pm
Witness

Please do not listen to anything Reid says about the Christian faith. He should not be trusted.

“Maybe you should run out and play with yourself before it gets too dark. Don’t go blind, will you.”

Christians who are in tune with God’s love do not speak like this. It is demonic hatred, not love.
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November 29, 2015 7:44pm
Stars And Stripes

KevinH -could not give a stuff what SAFE say or the propaganda they push as they are just militant vegan nutters who really just need a damn good roast dinner.
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November 29, 2015 7:48pm
Griff

Te Kauwhata abattoir

prosecutions plus commercial penalties must be imposed to give farmers a clear message from consumers,

The farmer only has responsibility to the gate.
It is not farmers it is the meat industry that is the issue .
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November 29, 2015 7:49pm
tom hunter

I’ve tested it out by trying it myself, and yes the little finger can have a delay in it.

Speaking of testing things out Lucia – given that evening is approaching, when Johnboy begins to appear in these parts, and given your history with him on this blog – for the love of god, don’t go ….

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I would not like to think what would happen.
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November 29, 2015 7:49pm
mikenmild

You can ask for respect Reid, but the quality of your comments does not demand it.

You think all churches could be satanic, but believe that these same churches have accurately recorded the words of Jesus for you. Ha ha ha.
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November 29, 2015 7:49pm
Reid

Please do not listen to anything Reid says about the Christian faith. He should not be trusted.

Zionist Christians are witting or unwitting Satanic agents.

You can tell this in the real world very easily.

Simply ask yourself, would a loving God support a nation that treats people as Israel treats its people?

Told you it was easy.

Anyone who supports Israeli’s treatment of Palestinians, is a Zionist Christian.

This includes both Witless and Captain Bananas.

This is why I am so disparaging to both of them.

Christians who are in tune with God’s love do not speak like they do. They suffer, wittingly or unwittingly, from demonic hatred, not love.
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November 29, 2015 7:51pm
Andrei

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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November 29, 2015 7:51pm
you reap what you sow

The USA should be Bombing Turkey not Syria

Military strategy 101 teaches us to cut off the enemy’s supply lines. Turkey is the main supplier to ISIS, money and arms.

Clearly the USA is wound up and needs a country to bomb. This should be Turkey. Turkey has been found out with its grubby hands trading ISIS oil, supply it with arms and then hiding behind NATO after bringing down the Russian jet. Indirectly its responsible for many of ISIS terror attacks. They need a bloody good pounding to bring some sense to the corrupt government.
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November 29, 2015 7:52pm
mikenmild

Which nations do you think God does support, Reid?
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November 29, 2015 7:52pm
nasska

It’s a sorry state of affairs when we watch such bitterness & rancour manifest itself amongst the Godaddled. 🙂
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November 29, 2015 7:55pm
mikenmild

Twas ever so, nasska. They have a keen history of burning heretics.
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November 29, 2015 7:57pm
Griff

Thats ok nasska watch this it will char you up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvzD_q-eGoo
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November 29, 2015 7:58pm
Shawn Herles

Reid, you have claimed that Iran “bows down to God” yet Iran viciously and horrifically persecutes religious minorities. That is apparently ok with you.

And you clearly support Palestinians carrying our horrific attacks on Israelis.

So stop pretending that Israel’s response to terrorism or the Palestinian problem is you real concern. It’s not. It’s just that in your whacked view Jews and Israel are evil satanists.

I have seen you excuse far worse behavior on the part of other countries that you approve of, including trying to white wash the Nazi regime and Hitler on many occasions.

Your hypocrisy is showing.
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November 29, 2015 8:00pm
Shawn Herles

Well naaska, we don’t have your atheist friend Kea here to chime in with “Jews and Catholics are evil scum” so……. 🙂

Anyway, good night folks.
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November 29, 2015 8:03pm
tom hunter

It is demonic hatred, not love.

I did point out a month or so ago, that if The Evil Ones were employing people to deceive others and lead them down false pathways, then they’d want to pick a “Christian” person as that vehicle.

May I suggest that non-Christians – being ones who effectively have no skin in the game – be used as the adjudicators.

Although that does raise the question of which of those people might also be agents of The Evil Ones.

I pick Nasska.

Let the stoning commence.
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November 29, 2015 8:03pm
Reid

You can ask for respect Reid, but the quality of your comments does not demand it.

That’s fine mm just so we know where we stand. I was just assuming John would have informed you about who I am in terms of integrity and I am reasonably certain he would have but clearly you wish to ignore that. That’s fine. So long as we know where we are.

You think all churches could be satanic, but believe that these same churches have accurately recorded the words of Jesus for you. Ha ha ha.

Your profound ignorance is showing yet again mm. Sure, the Bible is what Churches use, sure, many Bibles have been distorted over the centuries. For instance, the Bibles that both the Mormans and the Witnesses use are distorted, as is also the Schofield Bible which is the main version used in the America and so I assume is the one Captain Bananas and most US Christian Zionists use and grew up. Which explains why their idiotic beliefs on the rapture are so fucked up. Poor bastards.

Anyway, the Bible I happen to use at the present time is the Geneva. That is said to be more accurate the one regarded by many as the most authoritative, the King James.

No Church I’ve ever attended however has ever recommended any Bible. I understand the Witnesses and the Mormons require their versions to be used and indeed claim them to be the only available truth. I’m not sure if other church’s do, I’m sure some of them do. But no Church I’ve ever been in requires that of its congregation.

Hope that helps but since you’re not looking for answers but ammunition, I’m certain it doesn’t.
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November 29, 2015 8:10pm
nasska

As I have admitted before Tom, I confess to being an agent of Satan but nowadays my duties are largely ceremonial. 🙂
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November 29, 2015 8:11pm
Nostalgia-NZ

KevinH is right about the treatment of the calves. Arguing about whose fault it is the farmers or the processors is pointless. They are a team brining product to the market. If one part of the chain fails then so has the other. This sort of stuff is a gift to NZ’s market competitors. Fing thick expletives.
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November 29, 2015 8:14pm
Reid

The USA should be Bombing Turkey not Syria

Military strategy 101 teaches us to cut off the enemy’s supply lines. Turkey is the main supplier to ISIS, money and arms.

Yes reap. Dead right.

So why aren’t they?

That’s what people like Andrei, EAD, UT, myself and others have been explaining for some time, yet the sheeple keep doing nothing but going:

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

It’s a riddle inside an enigma wrapped in a mystery.

To the sheeple.

Which nations do you think God does support, Reid?

Why don’t you ask God mm.

Let us know what He says.
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November 29, 2015 8:15pm
Gabby

Animal abuse? Sounds like a job for Nothing Guy. He covers up crap like this.
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November 29, 2015 8:17pm
Lucia Maria

Tom,

Speaking of testing things out Lucia – given that evening is approaching, when Johnboy begins to appear in these parts, and given your history with him on this blog – for the love of god, don’t go ….

I won’t.
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November 29, 2015 8:20pm
Witness

Is Reid a Nazi?
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November 29, 2015 8:28pm
cha

What really happened.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/these-russian-attack-jets-use-walmart-grade-gps-systems-1703048443

#GLONASS
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November 29, 2015 8:30pm
Reid

Is Witless a Pharisee?

It would explain his support for the State of Israel against innocent civilians.
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November 29, 2015 8:30pm
Witness

It would explain some of the strange things he has said about Jews and Israel.
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November 29, 2015 8:34pm
Reid

Former UK Ambassador to Syria: Cameron was criminally deceitful about ‘moderate’ rebels in his speech/appeal to the UK parliament for a Syrian intervention.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/former-uk-ambassador-to-syria-cameron-was-criminally-deceitful-about-moderate-rebels-in-his-speechappeal-to-the-uk-parliament-for-a-syrian-intervention/

Forget ISIL, Turkey is Now The New Islamic Caliphate Says French Journalist

http://investmentwatchblog.com/forget-isil-turkey-is-now-the-new-islamic-caliphate-says-french-journalist/
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November 29, 2015 8:40pm
Lucia Maria

Witness,

Reid is not a Nazi – he’s an esoteric, who uses the word “hallucinate” a lot. He also seems more New Age Christian, than Christian, even though he says he’s Anglican. He’s also a bit eccentric, or comes across that way. I wouldn’t judge him too harshly, all that ~~talk about~~ imitation of woolly four legged animals could well be a pining for real leadership.
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November 29, 2015 8:50pm
RRM

So, that guy who shot up the Planned Parenthood clinic and killed a bunch of people – was he one of those Syrian refugees everyone’s talking about?
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November 29, 2015 9:08pm
mikenmild

He’s not going to find that leadership in the church is he? Not when he thinks the archbishop’s a druid and the Pope is a satanic agent.
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November 29, 2015 9:09pm
SGA

As I’m reading today’s version of “Christian Wars”, I’m thinking to myself – I’m glad the non-religious don’t have to spend as much time arguing among themselves about being non-religious.
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November 29, 2015 9:17pm
cha

was he one of those Syrian refugees everyone’s talking about?

Well he killed three people including a police officer but they managed to arrest him rather than shooting him to death so I guess he was a white person.

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

http://www.globalpost.com/article/6592741/2015/06/24/white-americans-are-biggest-terror-threat-united-states
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November 29, 2015 9:17pm
Longknives

“Well he killed three people including a police officer but they managed to arrest him rather than shooting him to death so I guess he was a white person.”

Idiot comment of the month.
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November 29, 2015 9:28pm
nasska

RRM

The killer was just your average insane Yank Godfreak:

….”The younger Mr. Dear was raised as a Baptist, Ms. Ross said in an interview in Goose Creek, S.C., where she now lives. He was religious but not a regular churchgoer, a believer but not one to harp on religion. “He believed wholeheartedly in the Bible,” she said. “…..

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/us/robert-dear-suspect-in-colorado-killings-preferred-to-be-left-alone.html
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November 29, 2015 9:29pm
mikenmild

It is pretty well-known that if you get involved in a firearms incident with the Police your chances of surviving are much better if you are white.
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November 29, 2015 9:30pm
Lucia Maria

MM, well it would make it difficult.

Reid, so I remind you of your sister, huh? Well, I’m the big sister type, the oldest, the one who bosses all the other younger kids (mostly boys) around. Is that what I remind you of?

SPC, Christian wars? What happened today is pretty mild compared with what I’ve experienced before.
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November 29, 2015 9:33pm
thedavincimode

Statistics please milky; plus a factual summary of what transpired which of course includes the deceaseds’ responses to calls to puttee ze handees up.
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November 29, 2015 9:35pm
thedavincimode

Andrei, kindly fuck off to church to do that stuff.
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November 29, 2015 9:38pm
Longknives

“It is pretty well-known that if you get involved in a firearms incident with the Police your chances of surviving are much better if you are white.”

You ever been in an armed incident Mikey? With a split second to decide whether to Shoot/Don’t Shoot??
I think the Ethnic Mix of the guy shooting at you is likely the last fucking thing on your mind…
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November 29, 2015 9:40pm
SGA

Longknives at 9:40 pm

You ever been in an armed incident Mikey? With a split second to decide whether to Shoot/Don’t Shoot??
I think the Ethnic Mix of the guy shooting at you is likely the last fucking thing on your mind…

You’d think so, wouldn’t you. So, you are saying that the difference that mikenmild is referring to doesn’t exist?
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November 29, 2015 9:44pm
nasska

SGA

Could have quite a bit to do with the circumstances too. The best way to commit suicide by cop seems to be to continue advancing & threatening when dead in sight. This sort of bravado is typical of those with a ‘warrior gene’ .
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November 29, 2015 9:53pm
SGA

nasska at 9:53 pm

This sort of bravado is typical of those with a ‘warrior gene’ .

You mean those of celtic extraction? 🙂
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November 29, 2015 9:56pm
nasska

No chocolate fish. 🙂
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November 29, 2015 9:58pm
Odakyu-sen

SGA
“The best way to commit suicide by cop seems to be to continue advancing & threatening when dead in sight.”

Someone who doesn’t think about the consequences of their actions would be at more risk of “death by cop” in such a scenario.

If men with the “warrior gene” tend to act impulsively without forethought, then they would have a higher death rate in their contacts with the police.
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November 29, 2015 10:02pm
Griff

http://gawker.com/video-of-cop-shooting-black-man-in-back-leads-to-murder-1696334898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1qMUmsTy8
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November 29, 2015 10:05pm
SGA

lol – “warrior gene”.
From what I can tell, my ancestors spent a lot of the last 2000 years fighting among each other, or fighting with each other against the English, or fighting with the English against whoever (and helped build a fairly impressive empire at one point).
Add – All I’m saying is that, in terms of genetics, many of our forebearers come from such “warrior” backgrounds.
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November 29, 2015 10:08pm
nasska

….” tend to act impulsively without forethought”….

I think it goes a little deeper than that Odakyu-sen. Rather it is a tendency to get super hyped coupled with fear of losing face amongst their peers that overcomes any ability to judge a situation rationally.
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November 29, 2015 10:10pm
Rowan

A woeful performance from the blackcaps in the third innings and they didn’t even have to face Mitchell Starc, Aussie should (and would) be chasing 250 if it wasn’t for yesterday’s umpiring howler, but our batting has been woefully inadequate, look even Australia’s specialist fieldsman Shaun Marsh is scoring so nothing in the Adelaide pitch to excuse our inept display!
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November 29, 2015 10:23pm
Jack5

Chinese money pouring into the US property market, partly because of limited property rights in the communist People’s Republic of China.

This is relevant to the Auckland property bubble.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/business/international/chinese-cash-floods-us-real-estate-market.html?emc=edit_th_20151129&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=4534124
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November 29, 2015 10:29pm
itstricky

Add – All I’m saying is that, in terms of genetics, many of our forebearers come from such “warrior” backgrounds.

Without which, we would probably not be here in the first place.
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November 29, 2015 10:35pm
itstricky

A woeful performance from the blackcaps in the third innings

Maybe they need some ‘warrior genes’
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November 29, 2015 10:36pm
cha

Statistics please milky;

Here ya go – play with the filters for lots of murderously fun police facts:

In fatal encounters with police 15% of white people and 31.9% of black people were unarmed, 27% of people killed had mental health issues, there are concerns about data recording, falsifying, tampering with and the willful destruction of evidence, and the suicide by cop meme being used as a cover-up for murder. Oh, and the FBI is embarrassed too.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police-killings

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/08/fbi-chief-says-ridiculous-guardian-washington-post-better-information-police-shootings

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#
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November 29, 2015 10:54pm
Manolo

It is pretty well-known that if you get involved in a firearms incident with the Police your chances of surviving are much better if you are white.

What if you are brown and wearing a bulky vest?
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November 30, 2015 6:23am
Manolo

A futile attempt to keep illegal immigrants out:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3338272/Tensions-flare-Macedonian-border-soldiers-start-build-three-metre-high-fence-migrants-out.html

Tensions have flared at the Macedonian border after migrants became enraged by the sight of soldiers starting to construct a fence along the border with Greece.

The estimated 800 migrants stranded at the border have become increasingly angry over the last two weeks, ever since Macedonia stopped letting anyone but refugees from Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan cross into the country from Greece. But after soldiers began driving three metre metal poles into the ground on Saturday morning, the anger erupted.

A group of about 250 enraged migrants charged the police line, throwing stones – only to be met with tear gas and rubber bullets.
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November 30, 2015 6:48am
Manolo

Opposition to Mamma Merkel’s plans:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/29/germanys-plan-to-strike-eu-wide-refugee-sharing-deal-stalls

The surprise mini-summit suggested that Merkel has given up trying to persuade her opponents, mostly in eastern Europe, to join a mandatory refugee-sharing scheme across the EU, although she is also expected to use the pro-quotas coalition to pressure…
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