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LegioXII

I see that the mewling piece of puke calling itself stephieboy has been shilling for it’s Muslim masters again.

Does it have no shame?
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November 22, 2015 5:41pm
mikenmild

People who do not work, and who do not pay what they owe, should be in work camps

Who, in your opinion, had the best work camps, Lego? Nazi Germany or fascist Spain?
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November 22, 2015 5:41pm
dirty harry

You are pissing into the wind Penny. You will never be Mayor of Auckland. You are deluded child, run along.
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November 22, 2015 5:42pm
Awww C-mon

@Leggo

your a fuckwit aye.

“People who do not work, and who do not pay what they owe, should be in work camps”

Fuckwits should be in a fuckwit camp, they should work on not being fuckwits while in camp, they owe it to the community not to be fuckwits
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November 22, 2015 6:03pm
LegioXII

If this Penny creature is not paying her rates, nor working, she is stealing from those who do work and pay their rates. That should not be allowed. A boot camp with work requirements would teach her to serve her nation in a productive fashion.

The current governing party sees the value of boot camps for certain trouble makers. They should be extended to the work shy.
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November 22, 2015 6:08pm
Manolo

The rate-bludger knows full well she is taken for a clown, a jester of the court, that makes people laugh with her idiocy.

The only difference is that not a King, but a fat German was her protector.
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November 22, 2015 6:10pm
mikenmild

AC
I’m not sure that Lego would be the only Kiwiblog candidate for detention in a fuckwit camp.
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November 22, 2015 6:12pm
Fletch

stephieboy @11.00am

Under the leadership of Alfred Rosenberg, “considered one of the main authors of key National Socialist ideological creeds,” “the Nazi regime intended eventually to destroy Christianity in Germany.”5 A new German religion was created that was “devoid of ‘Jewish’ or ‘Roman’ features, and [based on] a new paganism . . . emphasizing Wotan or nature-sun worship.”6 Nazism “was itself based on anti-Christian ideas.”7 The internal intelligence agency of the Nazi SS Aregarded organized Christianity as one of the major obstacles to the establishment of a truly totalitarian state.@8 Every vestige of Christianity had to go.

“During World War II Rosenberg outlined the future envisioned by the Hitler government for religion in Germany, with a thirty-point program for the future of the German churches. Among its articles:

* The National Reich Church of Germany would claim exclusive control over all churches
* Publication of the Bible would cease
* Crucifixes, Bibles and saints were to be removed from altars
* Mein Kampf would be placed on altars as “to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book”
* The Christian Cross would be removed from all churches and replaced with the swastika.9

http://godfatherpolitics.com/26539/what-about-whoopi-goldbergs-claim-that-adolf-hitler-was-a-christian/

Do those sound like the actions of a Christian organisation, or of one that has a Christian leader?
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November 22, 2015 6:18pm
LegioXII

After looking this Penny creature up on the Net I see that it is a leftist protester. The money required to place such a creature in a boot camp would not be justified.

A tree branch and a rope is cheaper.
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November 22, 2015 6:21pm
stigie

Any guesses from anyone when Penny addresses the problem that she owes a lot of rates money and arrears and when she is likely to front up ? Im picking just before the mayoralty campaign ?
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November 22, 2015 6:21pm
mikenmild

Lego
You might be surprised to find that DPF is not okay with death wishes on his blog.
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November 22, 2015 6:22pm
LegioXII

LLD.
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November 22, 2015 6:24pm
Odakyu-sen

mikenmild,

Who, in your opinion, had the best work camps, Lego? Nazi Germany or fascist Spain?

That would be the Soviets, and especially the camps at Kolyma…

(“Best” in terms of fulfilling their awful purpose.)
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November 22, 2015 6:25pm
mikenmild

Odakyu-sen
I was just wondering, given that Lego is such a fan of Franco, whether the Spanish had a model that would serve for his proposed ‘work camps’.
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November 22, 2015 6:28pm
blazeoflight

@Harriet 3:42pm

Great comment there, my dear, encapsulating what seems to be a failure to pay attention to the substance of my posts on this topic. Let me summarise as simply as I can for the simple minded:

1. The West has a responsibility for the formation of ISIS that is, of course, the truth that dare not be presented to the public.

2. ISIS needs to be stopped, quickly, with as few Western boots on the ground as possible.

3. Enable genuine self- determination for the general population, stop creating and supporting dictators in the ME and stop supporting the Zionist, apartheid state, Israel.

Sadly, even all that now appears too little, too late.

But I reiterate, ISIS motivation is political disenfranchisement visited upon them by the West. And even if the above steps solve the immediate problem over there, we Will face ongoing problems over here (not to be taken too literally, we have a moat).

For some leisure reading, Google “The Management of Savagery”, spend a day or more reading it, and you will have a greater understanding of we have bought upon ourselves.
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November 22, 2015 6:32pm
nasska

mikenmild

….”Between 1936 and the early 1950s in Spain hundreds of internment camps and prisons were established by General Francisco Franco. Approximately half a million people passed through the camps and many thousands died in them due to ill-treatment, hunger,disease and executions. The Franco regime (1936-1975) produced a complex range of camps, interwoven with other spaces of punishment, which was fundamental in disciplining its subjects and reconstructing the nation along totalitarian lines.”…..

http://www.academia.edu/3353030/The_Archaeology_of_Internment_in_Francoist_Spain_1936-1952_
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November 22, 2015 6:34pm
blazeoflight

Legio would have fitted in really well in the 1950s and later in the Southern US.
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November 22, 2015 6:35pm
Odakyu-sen

mikenmild,

Franco’s regime had forced labor camps, but these were phased out from the early 1940s. Ref: http://www.ehes.org/EHES_No4.pdf

Forced Labour in Franco’s Spain:
Workforce Supply, Profits and Productivity
Fernando Mendiola Gonzalo,
Universidad Pública de Navarra

p.23 “After 1942, in any case, the concentration camp structure was dismantled, and forced
labour became more and more scarce. This was linked to low workforce demand and economic
stagnation, and to changes in labour market policies, with longer working days and lower wages
that ensured growing profits and higher productivity for companies on the “free” labour market.”

I am sure that the Spanish fascists gave the Communists a very hard time (there’s nothing quite like fratricide). But had the Communists been in power, would the situation have been reversed or even more brutal?
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November 22, 2015 6:36pm
cha

Do those sound like the actions of a Christian organisation

More a desperate move to interpret the witterings of a party functionary as history.

Though neither officially translated into another language nor endorsed by Hitler as the authoritative expression of Nazi ideology, the book sold approximately one million copies by the late war years and boosted Rosenberg’s standing as Party ideologue.

[…]

Hitler himself held political reservations about Rosenberg’s anti-Christian rhetoric.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007123
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November 22, 2015 6:37pm
srylands

LegioXII says:

“A tree branch and a rope is cheaper.”
_______________________

Ummm I think calling for people who post here to be killed is a bit OTT. And I am pretty sure it contravenes the blog rules.
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November 22, 2015 6:37pm
Awww C-mon

@blaze’ You are as stupid as your name suggests aren’t you, links to prove my point aren’t needed, its obvious.

not to mention a self righteous, sanctimonious fucker to boot
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November 22, 2015 6:38pm
LegioXII

‘The West has a responsibility for the formation of ISIS that is, of course, the truth that dare not be presented to the public.’

Then how would you know beyond speculation?

‘Enable genuine self- determination for the general population,’

They will vote for terrorist leaders as they did in Egypt.

‘But I reiterate, ISIS motivation is political disenfranchisement’

ISIS’s motivation is the Quran.

Your Marxist analysis has all the value of a disease ridden whore.
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November 22, 2015 6:39pm
LegioXII

‘Ummm I think calling for people who post here to be killed is a bit OTT. ‘

It was a policy proposal for the future.
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November 22, 2015 6:41pm
srylands

“It was a policy proposal for the future.”
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Oh OK that is fine then.
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November 22, 2015 6:42pm
LegioXII

‘Oh OK that is fine then.’

I thought so.
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November 22, 2015 6:44pm
LegioXII

Jeepers creepers the people on this blog are gullible! 🙂 I am well and truly shocked that for nearly two weeks I have been playing this role for lulz and not one of you was bright enough to click!!!!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

Muhahahahhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! 🙂

FFS you people need to stop taking yourselves so seriously.

Now, to find another blog of losers!

Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to work I go! 🙂
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November 22, 2015 6:50pm
nasska

Bon voyage. 🙂
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November 22, 2015 6:54pm
mikenmild

If Lego’s intention was to create a parody of a fascist poster, he would need to be much more OTT before creating a distinction between himself and Kiwiblog’s run-of-the-mill nutcases…
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November 22, 2015 6:57pm
Awww C-mon

oh we recognized you as a complete fuckwit lego, it was just a matter of which one, as MM says there are a few
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November 22, 2015 6:58pm
LegioXII

Does anyone know of a good left wing blog? I think I’m going to play a Pol Pot fan next time 🙂

Hiccup! Burp!
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November 22, 2015 7:02pm
Awww C-mon

Does anyone know of a good left wing blog?

of course not!!
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November 22, 2015 7:03pm
Harriet

Europe is a battered wife in denial.

The Belgian government has admitted it can no longer enforce its jurisdiction in parts of its own capital city — and those are within five miles of Nato headquarters!

But don’t fear —- as the Hashtagistan troops —- like milky, stephie and blazeoflaughs will save the day! 😎
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November 22, 2015 7:11pm
Viking2

If the results are translated to Parliament’s 121 seats, National and its coalition partners would be able to scrape through with 61.

The poll of 1000 people was conducted from November 9 to 17, the period which saw extraordinary scenes in Parliament after Mr Key accused Labour of “backing rapists”, during heated debate about Kiwi detainees in Australia.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11549477
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November 22, 2015 7:30pm
Viking2

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Audrey Young is the New Zealand Herald’s political editor.
Hints Groser could take over from Mike Moore as ambassador to US
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Trade Minister Tim Groser could be New Zealand’s next ambassador to the United States. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Trade Minister Tim Groser could be New Zealand’s next ambassador to the United States. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Mike Moore’s departure from the ambassador’s post in Washington now leaves the way open for Trade Minister Tim Groser to return to the diplomatic corp.

Prime Minister John Key virtually confirmed it in an interview with the Herald in Kuala Lumpur where he is attending the East Asia Summit.

Asked why it would be in the national interest for Mr Groser, a former trade negotiator, to leave his trade portfolio, Mr Key indicated that his background would be valuable in Washington, where longer-term acceptance of the TPP was required, and in broadening the economic relationship.

“On the basis that he did [become ambassador to the US], the next big thing is to get it ratified through the US,” Mr Key said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11549467

Well it will cut down on the ?airpoints I’d say.
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November 22, 2015 7:33pm
Odakyu-sen

Communism. Fascism. Call them what you will, but they both produce totalitarianism in practice.

Mind you, I am concerned that some other forms of government that are neither nominally communist nor fascist may also lead down the path to a totalitarian state.

How does the East and West deal with colonizers within their societies without the State using the situation as an excuse to metastasize into something nasty?
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November 22, 2015 7:44pm
Harriet

“….Mr Key indicated that his background would be valuable in Washington, where longer-term acceptance of the TPP was required, and in broadening the economic relationship….”

I’d prefer someone like Ketteridge in the US in the foreseeable future compared to the likes of Groser — as the TPP is a peace time thing — which is only secured by strong defence in ‘war time’.

NZ is better to have security types in important govt roles at the moment. As those types always have security at the forefront of their minds. Israel would do the same.
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November 22, 2015 7:49pm
sam green

“Fuckwit camp” hahahahaha
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November 22, 2015 7:50pm
nasska

Timmy : Miss, can I have the coloured pencils?

Teacher: No Timmy, they’re called multicultural pencils.
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November 22, 2015 8:00pm
Odakyu-sen

Storytime, boys and girls.

“It’s often been said that for Japan in the 1940’s, the only winning move was not to play, i.e., they had little to gain from entering WW2, and everything to lose. … Now, let’s say that in a fit of sanity, the Japanese leadership decides that the only winning move really is not to play.”
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November 22, 2015 8:47pm
wiseowl

Obumma wrapping up asia -Pacific summit.

The word delusion has been used.
It is the right word.
They guy looks sick and frankly doesn’t know what he is doing.Bluffing all the way.
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November 22, 2015 8:53pm
Reid

It’s often been said that for Japan in the 1940’s, the only winning move was not to play, i.e., they had little to gain from entering WW2, and everything to lose.

Do you know why the Japanese entered the war O-s?

Or is that not taught in Japan?

Hint: it’s not because Tojo was a warlord.

I’d expect you to know the correct answer, even though I know none of the Western sheeple will know.

And if you don’t, I’ll be saddened, but not surprised.
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November 22, 2015 9:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Odakyu-san

And who exactly were the leaders in Japan c1939-41?
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November 22, 2015 9:10pm
Odakyu-sen

Reid,

It’s a “let’s play alternative history” game.

But here’s one answer to your questions: “The problem was that the Japanese leadership weren’t really running the show. The army was dragging the politicians by the nose deeper and deeper into China and the US was embargoing them for it, raising the tensions even further. The government couldn’t back down from China because they weren’t in charge of that policy, while the US wasn’t going to back down from embargoing Japan into economic collapse unless they did. They were then trapped in an unwinnable situation, if they didn’t go big they would effectively collapse economically over the army’s refusal to leave China. In fact had they tried to enforce anything on the army they’d likely be couped.”

And if you don’t this one, I have others… (channelling Groucho Marx).
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November 22, 2015 9:15pm
Shawn Herles

Someone posted this article from the Atlantic, a very well researched article, which showed that ISIS is attempting to recreate the “glory days” of early Islam. The author talked to Islamic theologians, and supporters of ISIS.

“What ISIS Really Wants”

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

The point is that blazeoflight’s boiler plate Marxist idea that ISIS is reacting to political disenfranchisement is not credible, and like so much of the Left, simply fails to understand Islam and Islamic history. Instead of trying to understand, Left Wing people like blazeoflight simply impose a Western, Left Wing political understanding on ISIS, which does not fit. It is an in fact an epic adventure in missing the point. And, ironically, it the very same kind of Western paternalism and Western-centric thinking they accuse the West of being guilty of.
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November 22, 2015 9:20pm
Reid

while the US wasn’t going to back down from embargoing Japan into economic collapse ~~unless they did~~

Almost a bingo O-s.

Apparently, the Japanese education system isn’t as hopeless as the Western one is.

For the rest of tonight (and into January in the case of stupidboy) expect relentless barrages of denial from moronic idiots who don’t understand history and don’t even want to, lest it hurt their tummies.
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November 22, 2015 9:23pm
Awww C-mon

Climate change is settled and the answer to all humanities problems can be found at the standard!!!

“we can’t transition to cater for future development and reduce emissions in any useful way, we have to power down.

Even if we could, if the whole world were to take on our standard of living, we have absolutely no show of preventing runaway CC. The ethical thing to do here (for the West) is to drop our standard of living and share our wealth with others, but there is no way the planet can sustain us all having what you and I have. Simple physics.”

Stop work tomorrow people, the future of the planet is to all live 3rd world existence!!

Perhaps the fuckwit camps should become a firm idea not a troll…
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November 22, 2015 9:23pm
cha

Indeed they did Shawn.
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http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/11/general_debate_15_november_2015.html#comment-1616870
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November 22, 2015 9:26pm
cha

Alternative history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29s6fS7Y5dY
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November 22, 2015 9:30pm
Reid

Stop work tomorrow people, the future of the planet is to all live 3rd world existence!!

Apart from the 1% of course.

But seriously, I think the reason the left want Muslim immigration is so the immigrants can enslave and eventually kill all of us selfish capitalist bastards and return the world to their peaceful agrarian lifestyle, except this time, they’ve got more than sand to work with.

Of course, they’ll need some lefties in charge to organise them. Two legs good, four legs bad.

Sheeple go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

or is it

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

I can never remember.
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November 22, 2015 9:30pm
cha

Although Jeb would fix it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Iz2nA1A5M
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November 22, 2015 9:31pm
Shawn Herles

Well thanks Cha. It’s one of the best articles I have read on the subject. The author really did his homework.
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November 22, 2015 9:34pm
Reid

Sheeple hate this.

Because they’re sheeple.

Aren’t sheeple stoooooooooooooooooopid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRbbEQkraYg
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November 22, 2015 9:57pm
blazeoflight

@shawnherpes

Well, no, I don’t consider disenfranchisement to have much relation to Marxism. Marx was much more interested in the capital/labour divide, and where it lay.

It bemuses me that you folk cannot look inwards and think, “What if I was on the receiving end of all this mayhem?”.

Here we are, on the receiving end of just a taste of what we have visited upon them, and we go all fearful and stereotype all ME people just as we have done to indigenous peoples throughout our imperial history.

“History
Never repeats…”

Bullshit!
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November 22, 2015 11:03pm
Manolo

Welcoming an alien culture, one which does not integrate:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-first-majority-muslim-us-city-residents-tense-about-its-future/2015/11/21/45d0ea96-8a24-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html

In many ways, Hamtramck is a microcosm of the fears gripping parts of the country since the Islamic State’s attacks on Paris: The influx of Muslims here has profoundly unsettled some residents of the town long known for its love of dancing, beer, paczki pastries and the pope.
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November 23, 2015 6:31am
Manolo

Strong words from the un-American: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/obama-isil-terrorism-fear-216130

“Prejudice and discrimination helps IS and undermines our national security,” Obama said.
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November 23, 2015 6:37am
Manolo

Captain Mumblefuck Shearer would do well by taking his “forgotten” money away from Switzerland:
http://news.yahoo.com/swiss-alternative-bank-breaks-negative-rates-taboo-055303880.html;_ylt=AwrXgiIMyFFWjEMAJbLQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByNDZ0aWFxBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg–

A tiny Swiss bank specialised in financing social and environmental projects will on January 1 go where no retail lender has gone before, applying negative interest rates.

The Alternative Bank Schweiz (ABS) caused shockwaves with a letter sent to all clients in mid-October informing them that it would begin imposing interest charges on deposits in 2016.

For current accounts, the bank said it would impose a -0.125% rate, while slapping a -0.75% on client deposits higher than 100,000 Swiss francs.
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November 23, 2015 6:43am
Manolo

The nutter homeopath and anti-vaccination activist Tat Loo, aka Colonial Viper, breaks with piss-poor Labour. The comrade is expected to join Mana.

It’s enjoyable to witness the disarray, chaos, and bitterness among the Chardonnay socialists.

The Andersons Bay Peninsula Branch of the Labour Party has been one of the most active, progressive and politically innovative branches of the Labour Party over the last 18 months.

At a Special Formal Meeting of the Andersons Bay Peninsula Branch this afternoon, branch members and officers/delegates voted to put the branch into recess. All officers and LEC delegates of the branch have publicly indicated that they will be resigning from their positions.

http://thestandard.org.nz/abp-branch-of-labour-goes-into-recess-all-branch-officers-resign/#comments
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